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Frazod 10-04-2010 07:17 AM

Week 6 College Football Rankings
 
For some reason, Mr. Awesome didn't post the rankings this week. Anyway, here they are.

<TABLE class=fs-data-table border=0 cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=3>AP Top 25

</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle>Rk

</TD><TD>Team

</TD><TD align=right>Points

</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-even left"><TD align=middle>1</TD><TD>Alabama (58) </TD><TD align=right>1497</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-odd left"><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD>Ohio State (1) </TD><TD align=right>1401</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-even left"><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD>Oregon</TD><TD align=right>1379</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-odd left"><TD align=middle>4</TD><TD>Boise State (1) </TD><TD align=right>1341</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-even left"><TD align=middle>5</TD><TD>TCU</TD><TD align=right>1250</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-odd left"><TD align=middle>6</TD><TD>Oklahoma</TD><TD align=right>1183</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-even left"><TD align=middle>7</TD><TD>Nebraska</TD><TD align=right>1172</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-odd left"><TD align=middle>8</TD><TD>Auburn</TD><TD align=right>1045</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-even left"><TD align=middle>9</TD><TD>Arizona</TD><TD align=right>898</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-odd left"><TD align=middle>10</TD><TD>Utah</TD><TD align=right>860</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-even left"><TD align=middle>11</TD><TD>Arkansas</TD><TD align=right>825</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-odd left"><TD align=middle>12</TD><TD>LSU</TD><TD align=right>819</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-even left"><TD align=middle>13</TD><TD>Miami (FL)</TD><TD align=right>769</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-odd left"><TD align=middle>14</TD><TD>Florida</TD><TD align=right>681</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-even left"><TD align=middle>15</TD><TD>Iowa</TD><TD align=right>670</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-odd left"><TD align=middle>16</TD><TD>Stanford</TD><TD align=right>663</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-even left"><TD align=middle>17</TD><TD>Michigan State</TD><TD align=right>607</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-odd left"><TD align=middle>18</TD><TD>Michigan</TD><TD align=right>555</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-even left"><TD align=middle>19</TD><TD>South Carolina</TD><TD align=right>450</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-odd left"><TD align=middle>20</TD><TD>Wisconsin</TD><TD align=right>316</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-even left"><TD align=middle>21</TD><TD>Nevada</TD><TD align=right>286</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-odd left"><TD align=middle>22</TD><TD>Oklahoma State</TD><TD align=right>173</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-even left"><TD align=middle>23</TD><TD>Florida State</TD><TD align=right>162</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-odd left"><TD align=middle>24</TD><TD>Missouri</TD><TD align=right>99</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-even left"><TD align=middle>25</TD><TD>Air Force</TD><TD align=right>94</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE class=fs-data-table border=0 cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=3>Coaches Top 25

</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle>Rk

</TD><TD>Team

</TD><TD align=right>Points

</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-even left"><TD align=middle>1</TD><TD>Alabama (57) </TD><TD align=right>1449</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-odd left"><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD>Ohio State (1) </TD><TD align=right>1377</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-even left"><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD>Oregon</TD><TD align=right>1300</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-odd left"><TD align=middle>4</TD><TD>Boise State</TD><TD align=right>1276</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-even left"><TD align=middle>5</TD><TD>TCU</TD><TD align=right>1187</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-odd left"><TD align=middle>6</TD><TD>Nebraska</TD><TD align=right>1176</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-even left"><TD align=middle>7</TD><TD>Oklahoma</TD><TD align=right>1132</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-odd left"><TD align=middle>8</TD><TD>Auburn</TD><TD align=right>988</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-even left"><TD align=middle>9</TD><TD>LSU</TD><TD align=right>930</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-odd left"><TD align=middle>10</TD><TD>Utah</TD><TD align=right>868</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-even left"><TD align=middle>11</TD><TD>Arizona</TD><TD align=right>835</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-odd left"><TD align=middle>12</TD><TD>Florida</TD><TD align=right>705</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-even left"><TD align=middle>13</TD><TD>Arkansas</TD><TD align=right>683</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-odd left"><TD align=middle>14</TD><TD>Miami (FL)</TD><TD align=right>679</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-even left"><TD align=middle>15</TD><TD>Iowa</TD><TD align=right>643</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-odd left"><TD align=middle>16</TD><TD>Michigan State</TD><TD align=right>625</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-even left"><TD align=middle>17</TD><TD>Michigan</TD><TD align=right>541</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-odd left"><TD align=middle>18</TD><TD>Stanford</TD><TD align=right>448</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-even left"><TD align=middle>19</TD><TD>Wisconsin</TD><TD align=right>414</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-odd left"><TD align=middle>20</TD><TD>South Carolina</TD><TD align=right>345</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-even left"><TD align=middle>21</TD><TD>Oklahoma State</TD><TD align=right>299</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-odd left"><TD align=middle>22</TD><TD>Missouri</TD><TD align=right>271</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-even left"><TD align=middle>23</TD><TD>Nevada</TD><TD align=right>201</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-odd left"><TD align=middle>24</TD><TD>Florida State</TD><TD align=right>164</TD></TR><TR class="fs-row-even left"><TD align=middle>25</TD><TD>Northwestern</TD><TD align=right>67</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Mile High Mania 10-04-2010 07:22 AM

Sweet - the Hogs move up and Texas is nowhere to be found.

Zaiko 10-04-2010 07:26 AM

fine with everything else but,

4 Boise State (1) 1341
5 TCU 1250
6 Oklahoma 1183
7 Nebraska

Based on what they've done so far, Oklahoma should be 4 I think. TCU hasn't done anything, and not even looked impressive at a lot of times. Granted, they've won so far and it's early, so it's fine I guess.

keg in kc 10-04-2010 07:28 AM

Interesting to see how far Michigan falls after Michigan State beats us.

Chiefnj2 10-04-2010 07:38 AM

Whoever voted Ohio State and Boise #1 should lose their voting privileges.

Renegade 10-04-2010 07:45 AM

This is the first time in 190 straight weeks that Texas hasn't been ranked in the top 25. That is some streak that is finally over.

Mile High Mania 10-04-2010 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renegade (Post 7060284)
This is the first time in 190 straight weeks that Texas hasn't been ranked in the top 25. That is some streak that is finally over.

Let's not give them more credit than they're due... it was 162 weeks.

Saul Good 10-04-2010 07:47 AM

Florida is too high. They haven't looked good all year against crap teams, and they got worked by Alabama.

DaKCMan AP 10-04-2010 08:10 AM

'Mr. Awesome' was driving from South Fla back to Tampa yesterday afternoon when the rankings were released.

However, except for swapping ohio state and Oregon, the coaches top-10 matches what I had: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=642

Boise_Chief 10-04-2010 08:16 AM

Boise State falls a place after a 59-0 Blowout shut out. I don't like the way the system is. They could have put up a hundred on them. They started running 2nd and 3rd teammers in the first quarter. But it still wouldn't have helped in the polls.

DaKCMan AP 10-04-2010 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boise_Chief (Post 7060329)
Boise State falls a place after a 59-0 Blowout shut out. I don't like the way the system is. They could have put up a hundred on them. They started running 2nd and 3rd teammers in the first quarter. But it still wouldn't have helped in the polls.

:deevee:

Beating Stanford >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beating New Mexico State by 100000 points.

Boise_Chief 10-04-2010 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 7060332)
:deevee:

Beating Stanford >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beating New Mexico State by 100000 points.

Stanford?? Really?? Not much difference from my seat.

chiefzilla1501 10-04-2010 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 7060322)
'Mr. Awesome' was driving from South Fla back to Tampa yesterday afternoon when the rankings were released.

However, except for swapping ohio state and Oregon, the coaches top-10 matches what I had: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=642

Yeah, but that's a borderline swap. Based on teams they've beat, OSU beat Miami, which is a higher ranked team, and by a wider margin. I think Stanford's a hell of a lot better than Miami, but for now, that's probably the tiebreaker.

DaKCMan AP 10-04-2010 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boise_Chief (Post 7060338)
Stanford?? Really?? Not much difference from my seat.

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

In a head-to-head match up I'd pick Stanford to beat Boise State.

AndChiefs 10-04-2010 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 7060350)
ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

In a head-to-head match up I'd pick Stanford to beat Boise State.

No one's surprised by that. Your hatred of BSU is well documented.

That being said...beating Stanford by 21 is much more impressive than beating NMSU by 59.

kepp 10-04-2010 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boise_Chief (Post 7060338)
Stanford?? Really?? Not much difference from my seat.

Seriously? Oregon's game against Stanford was quite impressive. NMSU got crushed by kansas.

jAZ 10-04-2010 08:51 AM

Quote:

AP Top 25
9 Arizona 898

Coaches Top 25
11 Arizona 835

This is a lot like the Chiefs having the best record int he NFL. I know it's not well deserved, but it sure feels good.

Boise_Chief 10-04-2010 08:56 AM

Ehh I knew it would never go past 3 and there is no chance of a national champ game for BSU. Would beating nmsu by 105 to 0 looked better sure but that is not the way coach Pete does things. That was one of the most boring games ever. Kinda like high school vs. pee wee teams.

chiefzilla1501 10-04-2010 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boise_Chief (Post 7060383)
Ehh I knew it would never go past 3 and there is no chance of a national champ game for BSU. Would beating nmsu by 105 to 0 looked better sure but that is not the way coach Pete does things. That was one of the most boring games ever. Kinda like high school vs. pee wee teams.

I think the point to be made is that while the top 3 played legit conference games, Boise State played what was pretty much an exhibition game. The score of that game is not that different from the pounding Oregon gave to Portland State and New Mexico, or the pounding OSU gave to Eastern Michigan and Ohio.

And unfortunately, Boise State's two games which were looking to be two hard-fought games against legit opponents turned out to be very close games against two teams who didn't end up being very good.

I hate the BCS system too. And I'd love to see Boise State get a legit chance to battle this out rather than be ranked out of a playoff. But if the rankings are what they are, they will finish the year without beating a team worth a damn, regardless of if they're undefeated.

baitism 10-04-2010 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7060388)
I think the point to be made is that while the top 3 played legit conference games, Boise State played what was pretty much an exhibition game. The score of that game is not that different from the pounding Oregon gave to Portland State and New Mexico, or the pounding OSU gave to Eastern Michigan and Ohio.

And unfortunately, Boise State's two games which were looking to be two hard-fought games against legit opponents turned out to be very close games against two teams who didn't end up being very good.

I hate the BCS system too. And I'd love to see Boise State get a legit chance to battle this out rather than be ranked out of a playoff. But if the rankings are what they are, they will finish the year without beating a team worth a damn, regardless of if they're undefeated.

This pretty much sums up my feelings on the situation.

beach tribe 10-04-2010 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 7060322)
'Mr. Awesome' was driving from South Fla back to Tampa yesterday afternoon when the rankings were released.

However, except for swapping ohio state and Oregon, the coaches top-10 matches what I had: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=642

Narcissist Much? lol

RustShack 10-04-2010 09:23 AM

http://www.gifsoup.com/view3/1203874...sendzone-o.gif

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/...de-kick-td.jpg

ROFL

PunkinDrublic 10-04-2010 09:24 AM

Ohio State has no business being in the top 5 let alone ranked #2.

kepp 10-04-2010 09:25 AM

"Chapter 1 - How NOT to execute an onside kick."

Titty Meat 10-04-2010 09:25 AM

Why do people still give a shit about the AP poll? It's all about the coaches poll #6 **** yea.

kepp 10-04-2010 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 7060430)
Why do people still give a shit about the AP poll? It's all about the coaches poll #6 **** yea.

Yeah, until you get grampa'd this week.

Titty Meat 10-04-2010 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kepp (Post 7060433)
Yeah, until you get grampa'd this week.

You must be talking about Osborne making the team run extra sprints. I don't see how that will cause a drop in the polls.

Bugeater 10-04-2010 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 7060430)
Why do people still give a shit about the AP poll? It's all about the coaches poll #6 **** yea.

I often wonder why anyone gives a shit about any of the polls, everything will get sorted out as the season goes on.

BWillie 10-04-2010 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 7060441)
I often wonder why anyone gives a shit about any of the polls, everything will get sorted out as the season goes on.

I would agree if it was any other sport, but the ONLY thing that matter is the polls in college football. If you are ranked #2 to start the season and another team is unranked, regardless of what happens the #2 ranked team has the advantage of positive perception.

BWillie 10-04-2010 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic (Post 7060424)
Ohio State has no business being in the top 5 let alone ranked #2.

:shake:

Zaiko 10-04-2010 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 7060562)
I would agree if it was any other sport, but the ONLY thing that matter is the polls in college football. If you are ranked #2 to start the season and another team is unranked, regardless of what happens the #2 ranked team has the advantage of positive perception.

Exactly. It's garbage.. but where you are at the start of the season has a huge impact.

#20 and lose you're probably out of the top 25.. If they placed you 10 to start, you may only drop to 16-17.. Which impacts your BCS ranking, which then impacts what bowl you may get in, and then the money your school gets, the recruits you get because of that money being used to up the program, etc.


And someone was seriously saying BSU shouldn't have dropped after Oregon beat Stanford by 21? NMSU is a joke. Even KU beat them by 26.

I do think LSU is probably a little over-rated in the coaches poll though.

Bugeater 10-04-2010 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zaiko (Post 7060606)
Exactly. It's garbage.. but where you are at the start of the season has a huge impact.

#20 and lose you're probably out of the top 25.. If they placed you 10 to start, you may only drop to 16-17.. Which impacts your BCS ranking, which then impacts what bowl you may get in, and then the money your school gets, the recruits you get because of that money being used to up the program, etc.

Bullshit. If you're ranked low at the beginning of the season and win your games you'll climb in the polls. If you're ranked low and and you lose some games...well you probably deserved to be ranked low to begin with. And bowl selections are based more on record than rank. Outside of determining who gets to play in the BCS title game the rankings don't mean shit.

vailpass 10-04-2010 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7060275)
Whoever voted Ohio State and Boise #1 should lose their voting privileges.

I can at least see some sort of rationale for giving Ohio State a #1 vote (don't agree with it) but the #1 vote for Boise State is blatant abuse of the privilege.

vailpass 10-04-2010 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boise_Chief (Post 7060329)
Boise State falls a place after a 59-0 Blowout shut out. I don't like the way the system is. They could have put up a hundred on them. They started running 2nd and 3rd teammers in the first quarter. But it still wouldn't have helped in the polls.

Play somebody. Join a real conference.
Barring that, shut the **** up.

-King- 10-04-2010 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kepp (Post 7060429)
"Chapter 1 - How NOT to execute an onside kick."

Chapter 2 - Having USC colors does not make you play like USC...

Chiefnj2 10-04-2010 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 7060658)
I can at least see some sort of rationale for giving Ohio State a #1 vote (don't agree with it) but the #1 vote for Boise State is blatant abuse of the privilege.

THere is no rationale for a #2 ranking based on beating Miami and a bunch of cupcakes.

chiefzilla1501 10-04-2010 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7060702)
THere is no rationale for a #2 ranking based on beating Miami and a bunch of cupcakes.

Miami is still a higher rated team than Stanford, even though I don't think they're nearly as good. I mean, we're arguing semantics here. If OSU goes undefeated, they will have to get through Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan, and PSU and Purdue aren't exactly slouches either. So if Oregon and OSU both win out, OSU will probably still have a tougher strength of schedule.

Bearcat 10-04-2010 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boise_Chief (Post 7060338)
Stanford?? Really?? Not much difference from my seat.

Well, then your seat sucks. LMAO

http://thesportsroadtrip.wnymedia.ne...8/07/lucas.jpg

Boise_Chief 10-04-2010 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 7060660)
Play somebody. Join a real conference.
Barring that, shut the **** up.

Choke on a dick.. It doesn't happen overnight.

BSU has been moving up conferences as fast as they can. Joined big west and dominated joined WAC and dominated joined Mountain west and we will see. You know as well as I do that you can't just say "let me in". It's a combination of academics athletics and time. Just cause you like to be a dick doesn't mean you can forget about common sense.

vailpass 10-04-2010 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boise_Chief (Post 7060814)
Choke on a dick.. It doesn't happen overnight.

BSU has been moving up conferences as fast as they can. Joined big west and dominated joined WAC and dominated joined Mountain west and we will see. You know as well as I do that you can't just say "let me in". It's a combination of academics athletics and time. Just cause you like to be a dick doesn't mean you can forget about common sense.

People like you are the reason Boise State is so widely disliked.
Whining and crying, asking for respect instead of earning it. You show up wearing a shitty tuxedo with brown shoes and wonder why nobody wants you in the club. A small-time program with so-so academics, a very undersized stadium and a for-god's-sake blue football field kicking it off against tier-2 competition while the big boy's are banging heads each week.
But you feel you deserve the same ranking and bowl games they do? Please.

Boise_Chief 10-04-2010 12:29 PM

Ehhh your ass is showing. I have never thought that Boise State should be ranked or given a shot at anything more than what they have. I'ts ignorant people that act elitest and think they shouldn't be in the conversation that pisses me off. They have rose to every occasion What I want to see is a PLAYOFF so that each program has a chance.

This is what is idiotic "Join a real conference..." you have to earn it. They are working on it.

POND_OF_RED 10-04-2010 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boise_Chief (Post 7060338)
Stanford?? Really?? Not much difference from my seat.

When you compare a top 10 team to a team who lost to the worst team in the Big 12 this year, you kind of lose all credibility in a logical discussion.

Boise_Chief 10-04-2010 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED (Post 7060863)
When you compare a top 10 team to a team who lost to the worst team in the Big 12 this year, you kind of lose all credibility in a logical discussion.

You have me there I could care less about stanford and didn't realize they were top 25. Out of conferance out of mind. Mark me as dutifully chastized.

Mr. Flopnuts 10-04-2010 01:05 PM

Where is USC? Oh, that's right. WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

DaKCMan AP 10-04-2010 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 7060888)
Where is USC? Oh, that's right. WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

LMAO

vailpass 10-04-2010 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boise_Chief (Post 7060849)
Ehhh your ass is showing. I have never thought that Boise State should be ranked or given a shot at anything more than what they have. I'ts ignorant people that act elitest and think they shouldn't be in the conversation that pisses me off. They have rose to every occasion What I want to see is a PLAYOFF so that each program has a chance.

This is what is idiotic "Join a real conference..." you have to earn it. They are working on it.

Not showing my ass, just giving you the facts.
This is an example of showing your ass:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boise_Chief (Post 7060338)
Stanford?? Really?? Not much difference from my seat.

BTW it is "elitist" and "risen". If you want to call people ignorant you should perhaps spit out the hayseed first.

Bambi 10-04-2010 01:16 PM

Great win for the Cyclones.

Mr. Flopnuts 10-04-2010 01:20 PM

Mecca, you know I love you (no homo) and all, but, uhh,

http://goofygifs.com/wp-content/uplo...d-gifs-woo.gif

Mecca 10-04-2010 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 7060928)
Mecca, you know I love you (no homo) and all, but, uhh,

http://goofygifs.com/wp-content/uplo...d-gifs-woo.gif

:facepalm:

I see Washington finally gave up on trying to play Locker as a pro style QB.

Mr. Flopnuts 10-04-2010 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 7060963)
:facepalm:

I see Washington finally gave up on trying to play Locker as a pro style QB.

Hey, he surpassed his Nebraska stats on the 1st drive of the game.

Mecca 10-04-2010 01:45 PM

Just sayin from what I saw, he was being used as basically an option QB. Everything was either him running or him outside the pocket, the few plays from the pocket he looked awful.

If an NFL team uses a 1 on this guy, god help em.

Titty Meat 10-04-2010 01:47 PM

56-21

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-04-2010 02:46 PM

Jake Locker is Jake Plummer.

BWillie 10-04-2010 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 7060988)
Just sayin from what I saw, he was being used as basically an option QB. Everything was either him running or him outside the pocket, the few plays from the pocket he looked awful.

If an NFL team uses a 1 on this guy, god help em.

I assume you are talking about Locker?

|Zach| 10-04-2010 03:16 PM

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/45...mi-Defense.jpg

DonTellMeShowMe 10-04-2010 03:42 PM

http://hawkcentral.com/wp-content/up...onaHandoff.jpg

DonTellMeShowMe 10-04-2010 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 7060370)
This is a lot like the Chiefs having the best record int he NFL. I know it's not well deserved, but it sure feels good.

Hey cool! THIS!

Titty Meat 10-04-2010 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7061151)
Jake Locker is Jake Plummer.

Thats an insult to Jake Plummer.


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