So... what are the Chiefs' QB options in 2011?
 

I think it's safe to say that the Chiefs are good enough that they will probably not have a top 15 pick. I think with their easy schedule and a pretty decent squad, 8-8 is more than reasonable. That being said, Luck and Mallett are likely not in the cards.

So now what?

Would you trade the moon to get one of those two guys?

Who are some free agents worth looking at? The only one that comes to mind that might be interesting to look at is Shaun Hill--not a guy I'd revolve my franchise around, but a solid veteran that I'd be comfortable starting until we feel comfortable going with a rookie.

Cassel.

I was just about to post this thread.

I think the Chiefs are going to have a very unique opportunity to pick a rookie quarterback and slide him into a perfect situation next year. He'll be loaded up with a good defense, good offensive line and running game, good tight end and decent receivers.

Find a receiver in free agency or make a trade and surround him with everything he needs to succeed.

Gabbert, Luck, whoever's coming out, I don't know.

We need to trade up if necessary and give them the Sanchez treatment.

You mean 2012?

Typically I've been against this,but given how long it's been since we've had a legit QB I say we break the bank if we have to.We've passed on too many that are far better than Cassel.

no ****in' way KC drafts a QB. they're too pussified to ever attempt it.

Cassel and / or some washed up 30 yr old FA.

Mallet would be a wasted pick. Leaf II.
Luck or bust. Pat Devlin...after he flacco's the combine.

Luck and Mallet are underclassmen and may or may not declare. It's a bit premature to start jerking the pickle over guys like that. Same with Foles of Arizona, Gabbert of Missouri, Newton of Auburn, Pryor of Ohio State, Moore of Boise State, etc. (Luck is a red shirt sophomore. The others are juniors.)

The senior class is Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, Pat Devlin, Colin Kaepernick and Ricky Stanzi.

They won't see Locker or Ponder if they pick around #15. Devlin might be had in the 2nd. Kaepernick in the 3rd or 4th, but he's having a monster season and will most likely move up.

Available receivers via FA that I would like to see in KC include

Miles Austin
Sidney Rice
Steve Smith
Santonio Holmes (doubt he passes the character guy test though)
Donald Driver
Mike Sims Walker
Davone Bess

Dont like your double post... But like Foles for some reason. There's something about him.

I think if Clark Hunt has his way, we will draft a QBotf. He has been calling out the draft from the time his dad died.

I honestly don't believe that Pioli will pull the trigger on a QB in the first round, much less trade up in the first round to get the most coveted prize.

Mallett is a head case IMO. He isnt going to be a good NFL QB. Lets play a few more games out and let college finish before we really make any calls on which way we should go at QB.

We'll have a choice between Cassel and some 30-something, washed up FA.

Or they'll draft a guy in the 5th round and try to win the lottery again.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2011.php

Baldwin and Ponder. And we all skeet skeet.

You don't like the double post? Really? That's weird. I guess that I should ****ing delete it then...oops. I guess I already did. Douche.

You realize that Carl is not in charge anymore, right?

You apparently weren't paying attention when we had the opportunity to draft a franchise QB under the new regime.

We took another teams' garbage.

Expect more of the same.

Mallet is the ultimate tools guy. A la Leaf. aka Russell. Luck is head and shoulders above any draft eligible QB.

Probably what's gonna happen is Cassel will throw 20 TD, 3200 yards, 15 INT, we'll be 10-6 and they won't make a move.

They'll draft a receiver and try and prop him up even more. Might trade Bowe as a scapegoat.

In fairness, it was a pattern for the Chiefs as we know them, as fans for a long period of time.

But as it applies to Pioli's tenure in KC, this was an isolated incident, so we should be hopeful that we might go in a different direction. So that's what I have to think to give some light to the situation.

We also didnt address the run defense in the 2010 draft, right?

How the **** is Cassel getting to those numbers throwing for 100 a game?

No one likes the Baldwin/Ponder prediction?

:clap:

He will have to really explode for him to match those numbers. Right now he is on pace for 2600 yds and 16 TD's

What's even sadder is that he'd need to almost double his YPG to accomplish that goal.

Well the best backup QB on the market will be Shaun Hill. Kansas native and his offseason home is at the Lake of the Ozarks.
http://blogs.kansas.com/statecollege.../ShaunHill.jpg

Beat me to it :crybaby:

Not like it made more sense the 2nd time around. Sure you'll pull out ...we need another lineman in the 1st rd card soon enough.I am sure you will double post about something you know nothing about again. Just hope I am here to catch it...

DOOM AND GLOOM!!!!!!!

May all the vowels on your keyboard stop working.

Catch what? That people around here are "let's draft Luck" next year and the guy is a ****ing sophomore?

I simply posted the senior QB class as no one else has (obviously) declared and anything beyond that senior class is purely conjecture. And I also know we need a QB. Cassel isn't very good.

I mean, really - what's the point of your post quoted above. That you are so ****ing amazingly observant that you can actually spot a double post? Wow! You must be ****ing Sherlock Holmes. I'm sure that the entire board is amazed by your perceptive skills and quick wit. I know I am.

The only thing I hope you catch is a case of herpes from your mom.

Doesnt everyone have the no vowels key on their keyboards?

No one wants to go on record about Ponder?

He fits our offense really well. Smart player, decent size. He is about 3rd on my QB wishlist for this season.

I truly "hope", you're right.

sadly, when it comes down to it, then Chiefs will fold and not nab a QB.
Ork, nab one it the 3rd+ round.

and we all know how that works out for Super Bowl Teams.

I'd take a flyer on Shaun Hill if we draft a QB too.

He's certainly an interesting prospect, someone whom I like more than Locker.

I wouldn't touch Locker, and for that reason I hope he blows up so some team takes him and allows one of the better players ie Mallett slip.

I think it's a great call. You know this front office is going to be looking at leadership, leadership, and leadership at QB. Ponder's a senior, the leader of his team, really smart... all that intangible stuff that will put him at the top of our list.

Play Brodie and see what he can do with a descent cast of players around him,

My thoughts/hopes exactly. One draft does not constitute a pattern...

we do have to play the raidersd and denver
worth 500 yrds/game
easy


if bowe can catch

If we're going to go the same route we always have, i.e, picking up a free agent or going after another team's backup, I'd rather trade a second to Dalls for Stephen McGee.

Poor decision maker with a less than suspect arm. Poor footwork, crumbles under pressure. Weak 5 to 7 step drop, plays better out of the gun. locks onto the 1st target, doesnt do anything to move the safties off his 1st read.


For a better prospect that is like Ponder.... google Pat Devlin.

He's smart (he already has his master in business administration degree), has an NFL ready physique, has a great pocket presence and excellent footwork. He doesn't have a cannon for an arm, but it's most likely good enough for this offense.

He'd be a great pick for the Chiefs.

However, I don't think he'll get past the top ten if some of the underclassmen don't declare. Right now, he's a close second to Locker.

Cassel will mix in a couple of pad the stats games for sure. He'll hit 3K easy I bet.

There were a lot of things we reversed course on too this season. I would be absolutely stunned if we don't walk into the 2011 season with a QB we believe can legitimately compete for the starting QB job. Barring Cassel somehow doing a complete turnaround, which is pretty unlikely. Cassel aside, this does seem to be an organization that has done a good job learning from their mistakes.

Luck is a redshirt soph, therefore draft eligible. 2 yrs as a starter in the Pac 10 should be proof he is NFL ready. Or do you doubt that?

Who's "we?"

We the fans?

Or we the organization?

Because it's not like the latter thought that Cassel was that guy.

What I was thinking too. Either him or Tarvaris Jackson. I'd even consider a trade for Kevin Kolb for maybe a 3rd or 4th rounder (hell, I'd start calling the Eagles today). I'd also imagine we'll make a run at Brady Quinn (is he a free agent?--not the guy I'd want, just saying it's something they'd explore)

All of this I hope, of course, is only to provide a veteran presence so you don't rush a rookie that's not ready. No matter what, you have to use your first round pick on a QB.

Brady Quinn?

LMAO

No.

No, No, No, No, HELL THE **** NO.

yes, lets trade away picks for guys that have done nothing. Or do you think the teams that own their rights, are dumber than you? How are any of those backups better than Cassel? They arent the starters on their teams for a reason.

Let's not pretend that we the fans have been bulletproof. The front office has been heavily criticized for a lot of really good moves that we the fans strongly disapproved of.

The Cassel move was a huge mistake, as was a lot of 2009 personnel decisions we're still paying the price for. But based on how we approached 2010, I don't see anything that suggests that this organization is too stubborn to admit a mistake.

Like I said, not the guy I want. But based on his history with Charlie Weis, I'd have to think the Chiefs explore him if they get him without having to give up picks. I was one of Quinn's bigger critics when we were considering trading for him a few months ago.

Admitting a mistake at NCB or TE isn't the same as admitting a mistake at the most important position on the field.

Especially when the guy in question was your first ever decision as a GM.

3rd for Skelton.

Whats so funny? You want McGee who's upside is Cassel.

Kolb, Hill, and possibly Jackson are no worse than Matt Cassel. They aren't starting because Vick, Stafford, and Favre are a lot better than Brodie Croyle.

I'd be very interested in Kolb + draft a 2011 QB. I don't know why people are so down on Kolb. I think he could have quite a bit of upside in a Charlie Weis offense.

At this point, id give up a top 5 pick for ryan fitzpatrick as long as i would never have to see cassel in kc ever again.

It's also the organization that didn't listen to all the fans who screamed about how badly we needed a Nose Tackle, a Left Tackle, Inside Linebacker. And an organization that didn't make any effort to bring in ex-Pats in 2010 like Jarvis Green or Ben Watson. An organization that quickly fired Pendergast and immediately after last season said that Haley can't do the OC job on his own. They've done a lot of things right and I trust that especially with better personnel guys and better assistant coaches in place, that they have the right people in place to make the right decision on Cassel.

Here's another interesting idea. If Kyle Orton doesn't get a contract by end of year, do you try to outnegotiate them for rights to his contract?

Kolb is Cassel, cant move an offense, why Vick even has a remote chance of being a starter. Hill in mop up duty is ok, but no evidence he can lead an offense. Jackson is why Minny lives on Favres nuts every year. None of those choices bring more hope than Cassel, and none of those guys are worth the money we would give them.

I'd take a dump on Shaun Hill

Yeah I loved how he had like 2 games where he lit it up and here comes the Kolb-ites.ROFL

At this point I'd trade Matt Cassel for a Booger

I think at this point just getting him out of KC should be the priority.I don't care what we get for him,what it costs to cut/release him.Grab him by the collar and throw him right out the fuggn front door.

Tha's all I need to hear to know you have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

Kolb has a handful of starts on his resume. Cassel has more than 2 full seasons. To say that the two are remotely similar is beyond ridiculous. Kolb was impressive when he started last year. He doesn't look great this year because his offensive line is embarrassingly bad. Don't know why two poor games (the second poor game being the result of the entire Philly gameplan centering around Vick) makes him such a lousy QB. You give Kolb our running game and the kind of protection Cassel's been getting, and he's a guaranteed upgrade over Cassel. I think there's a good chance the guy is more like Schaub than he is Cassel. Schaub wasn't exactly nails when he was finally handed a starting job either.

If Cassel isn't starting next year, there's no reason to bring him back. He's not going to restructure his contract for backup money.

They'll cut Cassel. No way they'll pay him the bonus. They'll sign a FA QB and draft one as well. Pioli was in Cleveland when Bill benched Kosar and in NE when Bledsoe lost his job to Brady when Brady was simply a game manager. Contrary to what is said a lot around here, Pioli doesn't give a crap what people think, he cares about what's best for the team. Cassel will be gone.

Then I hope you are spot on.

This.

Couldn't agree more with what I think will happen.

I agree with this. Pioli won't let Cassel sink the ship.

**** it....THIGPEN

I would almost rather have Thiggy than Croyle or Cassel. Almost.

To the pistol!

I'll say it. It was a mistake to trade him away.

Thigpen is ten times the QB Casshole is.

Thigpen sucks outside of the spread offense. Worse than cassel

Real talk, Id trade both right now for Thigpen and sign a backup from the total scrap heap...or call up Jeff Garcia and see if he is about tired of Canada yet.

Sorry, how am I wrong. Show me some drive charts for McGee... Real games and all... Surely there are some, since you claim he is better. Or is this speculation bullshit.....?

No. He isn't. There is not a starting QB in the NFL worse than Casshole and that is not an exaggeration. 1/3 of the backups in the league are better than Casshole, Thigpen is one of them.