Do We Have Enough To Make A Big Move?
 

I love what we are seeing out of our defense, which I think is the foundation to really turning a franchise around. Obviously, the QB play (and the WR play) are suspect to say the least. I still think, with our schedule, we're going to win the West this year. The team has a lot o fight in it and a couple good running backs. When the weather turns cold, good defenses and good running games will win you some close games.

If we follow this hypothetical, the Chiefs will be drafting towards the end of the draft with a glaring need at QB. At the very least, we would have to give up two first round picks and a third to get into a spot to draft a franchise caliber QB. At the very least.

Are you comfortable enough trading away those picks to get that opportunity or are there still too many areas where we need infusions of talent? Of course, depending how far one needs to trade up will dictate the actual price, so, if you're a draftnik type of person, how much would you trade to get the top QB next year?

its too early to know, but it seems this year's draft will have 3 good QB prospects (Luck, Mallet, and Foles) and fringe guys in Locker and possibly Ponder. That's more than recent years, where there has been one guy and that's it. If that's true, one of the top 3 could fall to the middle of the first round and it wouldn't take as much for us to get him.

Luck .. but he won't be there when we draft .....

If we win the West this year, it would have to go down as one of the greatest of franchise achievements. Prior to this season, we have won only 10 games in the last 3 years. We had reached the depths and opened an all-night taco stand.

To win the West and make the playoffs would have been utterly unthinkable one year ago.

FAX

Nothing.

If Christian Ponder is sitting there with their pick, then you might pull the trigger on him. Otherwise, get your speed rusher (Von Miller/Akeem Ayers) in the first in 2011.

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Pick Pat Devlin, Delaware (formerly of Penn State) in the second round in 2011.

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Or Colin Kaepernick in the third/fourth/fifth round in 2011.

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Pick Cam Newton of Auburn in 2012 with the first rounder, then Kellen Moore in the third/fourth round 2012.

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Upgraded.

Newton, Kaepernick and Moore. Let the best man win.

Too early to tell and you don't necessarily need to draft top 5 to get a franchise QB.

Rodgers slipped way back in the draft. Freeman went in the mid 1st to Tampa.

There's options. I don't think it's guaranteed we got QB with our first pick.

We could acquire Vincent Jackson. He would be a nice addition to the team.

I vote "no" to trading up in a significant way in the first round of 2012. Build for a long term future, even if the QB doesn't get here for a couple more years (and in the meantime try to hit on a lower profile prospect or trade for a proven commodity who isn't over the hill). It's too early to start cashing in and playing only for now.

Do whatever it takes and ship Cassel as far away from KC as possible. JFC, I've grown to hate that dude with a passion.

i bet Singletary would trade Alex Smith for Matt Cassel.

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just sayin'

I'd be willing to give that a try.

lets see how much shit we have to make chicken salad

Take suck and replace it with an equal suck still equals suck...

No thanks..

Saccopoo really needs to be euthanized.

I'd trade two 1st rounders & two 2nd rounders to get Luck.

Luck is by far the best QB prospect.

Maybe they're equal in the sense that they're both equally not Manning, Brady, or Elway, but otherwise I don't see them as equals.

Depending on how sure I was that the guy would pan out, I would trade a couple of 1st round picks easily. I think we could get someone worth taking a chance on developing for less though.

I don't think Pioli will give away the farm for a single player in the draft though. That just doesn't fit his team development philosophy though. We are going to have to hope someone falls to us.

I don't know if you want to put all your eggs in the basket of a guy that has not proven to have elite talent.

I agree with this, but I don't think you can ever be that sure.

Does anyone really see this regime being willing to take a huge step back and go through the growing pains of a young QB the year following a 8, 9 or 10 win season?

I don't.

Be prepared for Cassel or a similarly talented QB off the scrap heap in 2011.

The Sanchez situation has shown that a n00b QB can develop, and the team can still compete at the highest level. Perhaps this will inspire confidence because we're headed in the direction of having everything but a QB.

NY was not a SB team last year, obviously, and they're not this year, but they're not exactly going through growing pains, either.

Bring in.......Chad Pennington. Yeah, I said it.:)

And we won't be picking 5th, either.

And even if we were, do you honestly think Pioli would take a QB with his 1st pick?

I don't. I fully expect him to stick to the Patriot Way and try to find a winner in the Superfecta laying in a beer puddle on the racetrack floor.

I was that sure on John Elway and Peyton Manning.

I felt really good about Sanchez, and would have pulled the trigger on two late-first-round picks or our number 3 pick that year.

Leinart was my only false positive that I can remember. I thought he'd be better than he has turned out to be. I was glad when neither Oakland or Denver got him.

I've missed identifying a bunch of guys that would be good picks, but I don't watch that much college ball.

Don't want.

I don't know. Part of me is ridiculously skeptical that he'd draft a QB that high, but I'm placing some solace in the claims that he'd "never draft a safety at 5."

Doesn't Michael Vicks contract end this year?

Smith's mobile, has a strong arm and is very very smart.

It's never made a damn bit of sense to me that he isn't better than he is.

Given confidence and a reliable scheme, I still think he has the chance to be a well above average NFL quarterback.

I'd deal Cassel AND Jackson for him in a heartbeat.

You know I was laughed at for years for saying that we need to bring in a veteran to be our QB. I know everyone wants a franchise guy, but there are not many of those around.

I always thought a guy like McNabb would be a nice fit. Can you imagine what we would be thinking if he was under center this year instead of Cassel. That's right, probably at least a deep playoff run.

It sucks to be in the position we are in. Seriously, I'd be pumped if we would have a guy like Sage Rosenfelds under the center. If the coaching staff doesn't believe in Cassel, they need to see what we have in Croyle. All of the coaching decisions yesterday, espically the onside kick, seem to indicate that they don't think Matt can get it done.

Yeah, I think there are some similarities like the fact that both of them seem a bit gunshy at times, but I'd swap Cassel for Smith and give it a chance too.

One thing I hear on Sirius NFL Radio a lot is that the guy doesn't have swagger. He doesn't seem to show any kind of urgency. Good kid, but not the kind that will beat himself up over a loss. And then there's the question of if he's actually any good or if he's a product of the system.

Because apart from the strong arm part, he's basically Cassel. Good kid, smart kid, you want him to do well, but just not NFL starter material.

I think you're the only one that's pushing this idea right now. I'll believe it when I see it. I just don't know why you're so stuck on the idea that this front office is that stubborn. Like I said before, they screwed up by bringing in Cassel. But it's not like 2010 gave them a lot of insurance options if you're talking about a QBOTF.

Pioli has a reputation for being cheap. Both in NE and KC. I don't see any reason why we would expect him to fork over a huge roster bonus just to save face.

I think the chances of the Chiefs drafting a QB in the first round in 2011 are quite a bit less than 50/50. I wouldn't say it won't happen, but I don't think it's very likely.