Sh**lock : Notre Dame must fire Kelly
 

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I really don't know what to make of this whole mess. I don't think you can difinitively put the blame on Kelly, or any one person. Its sad to see this happen and the kid was tweeting about how afraid he was. What the hell.

yeah, not really Kelly's fault.

Horrible situation. Freak accident. Should have been prevented.

I'm not sure he should be fired, but this is a terrible, terrible situation that should not have happened.

Should Pinkel have been fired when Aaron O'Neal died?

If Kelly told him to get up there, Kelly bears some responsibility.

Notre Dame needs to just lower their admission standards. Let reeruns in just like everybody else.

It's on whoever sent the kid up there.

Agree completely. If he told him to get up there he deserves to be fired.

The kid didn't speak up? If someone tells me to go up 50 feet in those conditions....I'm telling them to ****ing get bent.

It's a ****ing tragic accident. If Kelly gets fired over this....its bullshit.

I'm not saying he should be fired, but I do think he bears some responsibility if he is the one that sent him up there. Teenagers aren't known for their brilliance. It's whoever is in charge of sending him up there's responsibility to not put him in any life threatening situations. And maybe it's all just a tragic accident. I don't know much about it.

What if the coach made the call to practice outside and the kid just went up there to do his job without being told to?

Secondly, he's a football coach, probably not all that knowledgeable about the working limits of industrial equipment. It's the equivalent of blaming Wade Phillips because their practice dome fell over.

Everyone involved bears SOME responsibility.

But I wouldn't expect anything less from Whitlock........he's been on Notre Dames jock ever since Willingham was fired.

Couldn't the kid have just said "Hey, it's too dangerous up here-get me down!"

Kelly is definitely a douchebag for what he did to Cincinnati last year, but I don't know if this is his fault. You would think recording from the stands would be good enough instead of getting on a lift that high.

Is every coach who leaves a team a douchebag now? JFC.

Whatever happens, If you guys have ever had the encounters with OSHA as I have had, They don't **** around at all and some shit will be done.

Oh yeah.....ND is about to get ****ed up the ass by OSHA.

I just don't see how Kelly deserves to get fired for this.

No, but the ones that recruit kids to come to his school, preach all season long about things like teamwork and loyalty only to abandon the team the minute that another job comes along are.

So, basically, every football coach except Joe Paterno sucks.

So basically every coach then.

Do you think that coaches don't preach that shit....and instead tell the players that there may be a day in the future when they leave for greener pastures?

Exactly.

College football is as much a business as the NFL.

No, that's not what I said. He could have at least coached the bowl game instead of just basically leaving in the middle of the night and running out on the team at the drop of a hat. I'm sure you'd feel the same way if Self just quit after the Big 12 tournament and let some interim take over because Duke made him a job offer.

He didn't leave in the middle of the night. He had to get to Notre Dame because he had to start recruiting for the next season. At that time....THAT was his job.

Not even close to the same thing. Cincinnati wasn't worth a shit before he got there, they have nothing to complain about.

Yeah, I'm with you both. I'm just saying IF he's the decision maker, he bears some responsibility. I highly doubt he handles that though.

I'll assume that like in my country, you need a certificate to operate a scissor lift or cherry picker, and if that's the case the kid should have had one, and if so he would have been trained and have known better than use the damn thing in a gale. Can't help but feel sorry for the kid and his family though.
In the old days we didn't have health and safety committees for everything under the sun, used to have this old fashioned thing called common sense nobody uses anymore. For example, you can't change a light bulb yourself anymore, you gotta call and electrician.

Yeah, a lot of 20-year-olds will tell the HC of one of the most, if not "the" most, storied programs in the country to "**** off" if the job demands otherwise.

Getting ready to throw the football 70-yards. /cp

why do you need a person up there. just get a broom and duct tape.

Negatory, they let anyone operate those things here.

You don't even need a broom. Just tape a dozen week old Long John Silver's chicken planks together and use those.

I may agree with Whitlock on this. If Jim Tressel can recognize this then there is no reason Brian Kelly couldn't or didn't.

I'm probably going to catch crap about this one, but I tend to have to agree with Whitlock on this one. Doesn't really matter who sent the kid up there. A little common sense by the HC... who is in charge of the football operation... would have said to walk over to the film guys and said "I think we should sit this one out today, come on down." Now I realize tail lights burn brighter, but... :shrug:

Notre Dame rarely practices inside their stadium so filming from the stands isn't an option. They have an outstanding outdoor practice field, but there are no stands around it.

I graduated from ND in 95', so my view may be a little skewed, but this looks like a tragic accident that could have been avoided. I don't think you can blame one person for this tragedy. Kelly, his staff, ND administration, and the kid himself all should share in the blame.

It's pretty hard to blame the kid, if he had been properly trained in how to use the lift he never would've went up in those conditions.

we are talking a 20 yr old male
probably said
oh hell yes, let's see jackass do this


at 20 I probably would have

I'm in no way trying to make the kid look bad, but if you tweet "I guess I've lived long enough" and "Holy #hit, holy #hit, this is terrifying" don't you think you would come down on your own. If I though my life was in danger, I'm fairly certain my survival instincts would take over and I would say fug it and get out of there.

I feel sorry for his family and friends, but I don't agree that Kelly needs to lose his job over this. Whitlock has a personal vendetta against Notre Dame because they fired a black coach. He's as see through as saran wrap.

While I agree with this, ultimately someone has to take the responsibility for all the things that go on everyday within the football program at any university. My guess is that responsibility stops at the front door of the HC at every single program. In this case that would be Kelly.

I feel bad for everyone involved, but it is what it is.

Tressel's quote is the most damning statement there could be. Without that quote, I wouldn't know what to think. Having read that quote, BK needs to resign. The student was under the coach's direction. A reasonable person could have been expected to have foreseen the risk. I wouldn't be opposed to criminal charges.

Yep that is exactly how I felt when I read that quote.

I'm dubious we'll see criminal charges, but there's no doubt in my mind there's a civil suit in ND's future.

I wasn't aware of the tweets. Who knows how serious he was but he should've never been allowed to go up in the first place.

I would be willing to bet it comes down to the AD and Brian Kelly making one huge apology, the University financially settling with the family ( I also find it very odd almost immediately the school and family were talking about this ) OSHA slapping them with some huge fine and their people overseeing changes made to make sure that something like this never happens again. Something along those lines.

I think Mangino will work for peanuts...