Flowers and Hali in the running for PFF Defensive Player of the Year
 

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...le-has-landed/

:rockon:

Tamba is what he is...a player that was maxed out in college and wont ever get better /cp

Technically, he hasn't given up ANY plays 20+, since he was hosed on a missed OPI call.

you should look up the word "technically" then.

You can't build a defense around Tamba Hali. He's a nice situational player but not a guy you want on the field every down. /CP

He will never be a starter on a top defense.

You're missing the best one from those select few idiots: "he's a No. 2 rusher, not a No. 1."

LMAO

haha, i love that, probably the best pure pass rusher in the league. I dont like to say much about players, but alot of people on this site love to think they know what they are talking about. In reality, they dont know shit just like the rest of us. They dont see what goes on day in and day out in practice.

We have got a few people that dont even post much anymore because they are nothing bug negative and when positive happens, its out of their element.

its way more then a select few.

No you guys have it all wrong. Hali would be best as a third pass rusher coming off the bench in passing situations.

according to that site (from a well respected source), Hali has a higher combined number of sacks, pressures and hits on qbs than any teams top DUO of pass rushers in the NFL.

Damn I forgot about that one. !

The funny thing is now, it seems like Tamba is MORE suited in a 3-4 than a 4-3 after all. He has grown by leaps and bounds since the change where I actually do think he was maxed out in a 4-3 role.

Deez, you are right more than you are wrong...but, this one is just flat out dumb.

no offense

That came from Mecca I believe.

I dont.

I think that if we had a couple DTs in that 4-3 that could get pressure and actually collapse a pocket that Hali could have been a 12 sacks guy in that formation as well.

We will never know.

What we do know is that he is an extremely versatile defender that is still getting better.

No doubt.

Without a doubt. It's amazing how much the guy was underrated and unappreciated by so many here.

Like I said, a DECENT situational player.

DECENT

SITUATIONAL

PLAYER

Best MF'ing pass rusher of the 2010 season so far bitches.

Hali >>>>>> Ware/Matthews/Harrison EVERYONE

Some day you guys might realize that constantly complaining about those guys doesn't do anything but prod them on. Let it go.

Mecca = OWNED

Whoops ROFL

Id also like to point out that a lot of the credit for Halis play should be given to the "unimportant 5-techniques"....Dorsey playing the way he is and commanding so much attention is surely helping Hali...same goes for Shaun Smith.

Also, Id like to add that Flowers did everything himself. Dude is a flat out stud that deserves a huge payday. He is exactly what you want from the position (except for an inch or two) and the level he is playing at right now is about as good as it gets. I wouldnt be surprised to see him attend the next 8 pro bowls. He surely isnt a guy that is playing for a paycheck or anything, he is playing this way because he wants to be great.

God damn! OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

repped too

**** that. You don't know shit.


(we both said this together but got shit on for it)

This isn't hard, just type in Hali on search and cross reference with your friendly neighborhood drafturbator.

Well I know but sometimes I'm just too lazy to do so. either way it's harder to rail on a guy that Mecca did. Milkman was a distance second and he railed pretty hard too. But since at least Milky has admitted how wrong he was and that he's happy about it.

Which is why I say that Mecca is nothing more than a troll.

I remember someone saying Hali wouldn't even be a starter for 20 other teams in the league.

I also remember someone saying before the season started this year that Flowers was barely a top 10 CB and didn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Revis.

It's in the Revis holdout thread but I can't find the thread.

Oh damn found it.


Hell just read through this.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...ontract&page=3

The drafturbators were sent to us by God to increase our entertainment when the Chiefs became good.

They are a divine gift.

I expect Hali to rush the passer like an OLB on Tecmo SuperBowl every play.

Referring to the vocal few, the guys who've never played a lick of football in their miserable lives and need Google to understand a flag route, yet fill asterisk-laden posts with their CAPSLOCK garbage telling others how little they know about football.

Tony Moeaki, the 17th best TE in the draft, man! :doh!:

In reality these guys can evaluate talent as well as the rest of us. They will try to beat you in to submission by name calling if you don't agree with them, but their skills are similar to ours. I am still waiting for one of them to become independently wealthy based on their knowledge and skills. Until that time they are what they are... just a bunch of monkeys. Too bad they chased off some great insightful posters like Gaz.

ROFL Keep these coming.

God damn, Dane and Mecca have been getting their vag's kicked in the past few days.

I don't know that you could break down Flowers any worse than that shit right there.

IT would be cool to be a drafturbater
and show up a the Mange like carpetbaggers

Dennis Pitta is just as good and was available without trading up.

I understand how someone could question Hali as a player, but Flowers?

He's not 6'3, 230lb with a 4.4.

He's not an epic failure in coverage, either, but who's counting?

Yeah someone on here wrote going into the Texans game that Flowers would have trouble with Andre Johnson because he wasn't tall enough.

The shit I read on here is mind boggling at times..........

Doesn't Flowers run like a 4.3 or 4.4?

tamba hali is a backup at best / mecca

in a game? yes

on a track without competition? no

He ran a 4.5-something at the combine which is why his stock dropped. But he plays like a 4.3 guy.

The draftubaters obsess over measurables too much. Which is why most of the time they are wrong.

see? we say the same shit.

Flowers runs a 4.3 if you watch him on the field. His straight line speed is phenomenal, and he's got fluid hips. There's basically no holes in his game except for his height.

I am so ****ing proud of Tamba. This guy has come so far, played through so much criticism, and is the happiest guy on the field when we do well. Flowers has faced none of the criticism Tamba has, he plays a position that takes less of a transition to the NFL.

Don't stop now, Tamba. Keep ****ing shit up.

"In 41 targets, he’s only allowed one pass of 20+ yards."

And Andre Johnson had get away with murder to get it.

And Flowers still won't let it go.

**** yes.

this is just unreal

THE CHIEFS HAVE A RESPECTED AND FEARED D

after Dick and Dick less
I was wondering if it would ever happen again

MECCA = OWNED

Actually, it would be awesome, Mecca.

He's so badass he created a new position, evidently.

To the quarterback.

ARE YOU LAUGHING NOW?

PRETTY ****ING GOOD!!!!

dont lump us all into that....

Just because a select few say shit like this all the time doesnt mean the rest of CP agrees...

ROFLROFLROFL Dude stop...I can't rep you enough.

Fatality.
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Future search terms I will enter:

DeezNutz
'Hamas' Jenkins
Dane McCloud
milkman

Dane had a pretty good one (for him, not the haters) where he said he could be pretty good if he actually drops to the weight he is currently playing at.

You know whats crazy about Hali?

When he was at Penn State, he played DT until his final year iirc.

DeezNutz = OWNED

I wish Hali could be more like Turk and Tank.

FUTURE FAIL IN STORE?

Hamas throws the gauntlet down for Hali.

That was before he got OWNED.

GoChiefs your on a roll tonight...

Dane McOWNED

Holy shit. Major ownage.

haha

I can remember a lot of those quotes (that occurred after the transition) being responses to my posts.

But, yeah, before the transition I was all kinds of fail on him as well. I liked him a lot as a LDE but never thought he could transition to the LOLB spot. The only defense of Hali I remember offering (before the transition) was showing his similarity to Ware and a couple other elite OLBs in 3-4 defenses as far as shuttle times and other agility/change of direction drills in which he times very well. Overall, I too thought he would fail though. Short arms, not a lot of power/strength etc.

Once we played a few games though, I knew I had missed badly and started backing him consistently. Mostly against the grain, as usual for me I guess.

Its nice to have a few players that are starting to play as well as anyone in the NFL again. Its been awhile.

All Hail Hali... and Go Chiefs for über ownage.

GoChiefs just rained down like a godly ****ing firestorm!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mecca
MilkMan
Hamas
Dane
DeezNuts
OntheShitPath58

That's a hell of a list there for guys who think they ****ing know it all, and tell everyone else how stupid they are when they voice their opinions.

Milkman = OWNED

Wow I had been giving milkman a pass but that last bolded comment kinda wipes that out.

Research indicates OnTheWarPath58 is innocent.

The drafturbators are not completely defeated.

He is our last hope:

http://vegassharps.com/wp-content/up...att-cassel.jpg

Just to be fair, a lot of those comments by milk were when we were still a 4-3 and Hali was a total epic failure at RDE in a 4-3.

He salvaged that year in the half a year after they moved him back to LDE.

Shouldn't you be more concerned about your appendages?

If Cassel ends up having a 25 TD 10 Int type season for 3500 yards the drafturbators will stab each other in the taint with screw drivers.......

Casshole would have to average 246 yards passing the rest of the year to hit 3500.

Tall order.

Personally I'm waiting for the game where the wheels fall off and he tosses four picks. I know it's out there...somewhere...waiting to melt down the Planet.

Could be. He's also prolly going to have a 4 TD type game too, barring injury.

Here was my next post...from a thread in 2009.

That was a pretty good visualization though.

Good thing he ended with 8.5!

Wow. Just wow. I wonder what took me so long to open this thread. I've been ignoring it. I shouldn't have.

Ahhhhh, GoChiefs, STOP. Please! You got me weak from laughing so hard! Epic, epic shit here and I don't even USE the word epic, EVER. Just grade-A shit right here.

Good job for searching through all that shit. Alot of them big mouth ****ers like to think they know what they are talking about. Good ****ing ownage Clayton.

This thread needs to be stickied for the rest of the season. Hell, permanently. lol

The absence of ANY of those turds is flat-out hilarious. This is a HOF thread at the Planet, and should be referenced every single f'ing time one of those idiots trys to tell ANYONE they know shit about football.

FWIW, I thought Milkman was by far the most tolerable of the bunch and generally not that much of a moron, but some of those comments on Hali hurt my brain. Some aren't that bad, but calling Turk ****ing McBride "bigger, faster, stronger"? That is worringly stupid, because I know the man's reasonably smart.

Which means he has to average 245 yards per game, which isn't going to happen.

And it's not just draftubators. Homers are the only ones right now that seems to think Cassel will turn things around. And even many of those people don't think he will. If Cassel starts playing consistently very well, then everyone will have been wrong.

He shouldn't have to.

I know there'll be games where Casshole does have to pass, play well, and carry the team to win. I just don't think that number should be anywhere near 50% of the time...

I'll admit Hali turned into a better pass rusher than I thought he'd become, but best pass rusher in the league?

Using QB pressures as a measure of pass rushing ability is like using pass rating to judge a QB. All it means is that he didn't get to the QB in time. What constitutes a QB 'pressure' anyway? He was around the guy when he passed the ball?

He's a top rusher, I'll give him that. I honestly didn't think he'd be what he's become. but he hasn't turned a game around or dominated a game defensively like other top pass rushers in the league. Most feared pass rusher in the league? I doubt that.

It's not that he just gets alot of pressures. He gets a ridiculous amount of heat and hits on the QB. Boss Chiefs post from earlier says it best....


according to that site (from a well respected source), Hali has a higher combined number of sacks, pressures and hits on qbs than any teams top DUO of pass rushers in the NFL.

If that doesn't get one in the discussion for top pass rusher. I don't know what else will.

That site also has Charles, Addai and Hillis as their Pro Bowl RB selections.

Something tells me that CJ, Foster, and McFadden might have something to say about that.

I've already owned my mistake on Hali, but most of my observations were when Hali was much heavier.

He lost a lot of weight, added some muscle and is much quicker now even than he was a year ago.

2 years ago and before, in a 43, at LDE, he was a huge liability in run defense.

I admit, while I was happy to get a new staff, and had been hammering ****her and Krumrie for their shortcomings, I still underestimated how much difference an actual real coach would make.

What gets me is how you useless ****ers can't ever get over your butt hurt.