Chiefs buzz: Croyle lacking game action
 

Chiefs buzz: Croyle lacking game action

Practice isn’t like a game

Quarterback Brodie Croyle hasn’t played in a game since the preseason and now will probably start Sunday’s game against the Chargers in place of Matt Cassel. As much practice as the Chiefs give Croyle — it’s a considerable amount this week, but normally not much — practice isn’t the same as a game because it’s conducted at a much slower speed.

The Chiefs in recent weeks had several chances to get Croyle playing time. They fell hopelessly behind the Broncos in Denver a month ago and since then held sizable leads against the Cardinals and Seahawks in the fourth quarter.

In each case, coach Todd Haley kept Cassel in the game.

“With where you are in some of those games, you’re not going to be throwing the football,” Haley said. “I don’t know that you’re not getting some of the same things in practice.”

Cassel didn’t practice again Thursday after having an appendectomy a day earlier. Unless the Chiefs break one of Haley’s rules, Cassel would have to practice today to play in San Diego.

“The policy is you have to have some semblance of practice,” Haley said. “We’ll see as the week plays out exactly where we are. Right now we’ve got two days under our belt, and we’ve got two more left.”

Getting the ball to Bowe

The Chiefs failed to get the ball to wide receiver Dwayne Bowe in last week’s game against Denver, and it’s probably no coincidence they scored only 10 points in beating the Broncos. The Chargers undoubtedly took note of the connection and will probably make a similar effort to take Bowe out of the game.

“That can’t be something that we allow to happen one way or another,” Haley said. “It’s our job as coaches to find ways to help the receivers. It’s the receiver’s duty to continue to step his game up against the competition and make plays. That’s what I fully expect from Dwayne. He’s trying to continue to make steps to being a really good player in the league, and this is the next step for him, going against really good competition that knows he’s one of the guys that gets the football a bunch.”

Wiegmann can relate

Center Casey Wiegmann missed the final exhibition game and the regular-season opener in 2001 after having an appendectomy in a procedure similar to Cassel’s.

“It took me a couple of weeks,” Wiegmann said. “They didn’t want to rush me back too fast. I could have played in one week, but they just didn’t want to risk it for the rest of the year.”

Injury report

The Chiefs made one change to their practice report. They said reserve defensive back Donald Washington (ankle) was limited in practice. He didn’t practice the day before.

Safety Kendrick Lewis (ankle) was also limited. Cassel was the only other player listed, and he didn’t practice because of what the Chiefs continued to call an illness.

I think the primary thing you can take advantage of is his amazing arm strength. Send some go routes early on, soften up that defense, and then pound the rock.

all for it.....let those Safeties respect what he can do....even if it's a direct throw deep & out of bounds. Let them know we won't treat him like a backup. Because if the Chiefs will, you know the Chargers will

Hopefully Weiss reads the Planet, so he will know to do this.

I can't believe how much little faith people have in Croyle. Ya he hasn't won a game. He also played on a team that was fighting for the #1 draft pick. He didn't have a #1 running game to hide behind. Are you guys so nervous because you dont think Croyle can hand the ball off to Jones or Charles or throw the typical 5 yard slants, dump offs, or screen passes that Weis asks of Cassel. Give me a break. The guy can do what Cassel does + some things Cassel cant.

I'm with ya

Agreed. It's time for "Mr. Bubble" to go in to hiding, and for "Charlie Super Bowl" to open up the damned passing game a bit.

Bubbles are for reeruns who blow spit bubbles on the bus. ENOUGH.

Brodie is going to surprise a lot of folks. With a better line and running game, Brodie never had much of a chance when he was healthy. I'd say he is stronger and does have more experience with Haley style. He was jacked up by Herm's team.

GO BRODIE!!! GO CHIEFS!!!

Rock ON!!!

One would definitely hope so.I've always liked Brodie,but it's hard to back a guy that get injured so often.Well here's his shot,I hope he makes the best of it.

one would like to think so but as the article indicated, practice is practice and not a game. Real game speed may put him on his heels more than we think. Pound it with the running game all you can.

Wut?

Especially on 3rd down. With Croyles nack for serious accuracy, if we use his amazing arm strength, we can take some of the wear off of Colquit...

Why do people believe this to be true? Is it because people just want something to be true so they will it to be true?

Croyle has never shown himself to be more accurate than Cassel. He may have a cannon arm but he doesn't control it very well.

Brodie is a lifetime 57% passer. Accuracy? You guys are on ****ing crack.

The guy is 0-9 as a starter. About to be 0-10.

For the ****ing life of me I cannot understand what bitches are so excited about. The most important game for this team in almost a decade, and our could-be pro bowl QB is out, and people are jacking their wenis to see a guy play with a 57% accuracy percentage, 0-9 as a starter, and has a 1 to 1 TD to pick ratio.

Like I said before in that poll, Chief fans are the dumbest fans of ****ing all. At least a bunch of the ones on this board are.

The whole post is sarcasm... Read it again and put your little thinking cap on this morning....


BTW, I am was/is a big Brokie supporter.. Until Cassel showed us why the trade was worth it... I really hope he fills in nicely this weekend and we can move on with Cassel next weekend...

you have to remember some people just spew shit about Croyle because they hate Cassel without reason... They would rather lose games, bitch about everything, than to watch these guys grow and build a solid team.

Dude, settle down. Youre a solid poster, no need to go full Dane on everyone... its only a few people that are happy about Cassels injury.. Not everyone...

I wasn't referring to you man I picked up on your sarcasm. That's just been the tone from a bunch of guys about Croyle starting. That somehow he's more talented than Cassel and that we'll finally take a step forward with Croyle starting. It's like ****ing bizarro world.

Its not bizarro, is CHIEFSPLANET!


I am hoping and praying that we dont miss a beat and Croyle shows that he is worth resigning this offseason as the backup..

but to think that were going to be some downfield air it out team now that Brokie is in playing, is pretty ****ing stupid if you ask me... When has Weis EVER been a huge Al Davis wannabe downfield guy? Never as far as I can remember...

BUT BUT BUT he did all that great stuff with no line, run game, or coach so he HAS to be the bestest

Nice LMAO

Except perhaps take a hit.......

That's one thing you have to give Cassel, he's a tough son of a bitch and can take a shot.

He should. If he did we would never have to punt.

So I keep being told. Funny how even Huard could manage a a string of wins with a decimated line, no coaching, and LJ being ran 1000 times a game.

If Croyle somehow eeks out a win it doesn't change anything. The dude would still be 1-9 as a starter. We don't need to "evaluate" Croyle at all. I can't believe I keep reading that. The dude is not going to challenge for the starting spot here, and no one is going to give up draft picks for the guy either. Nothing of REAL value anyway. Like I said, it's like ****ing bizarro world around here. Unreal.

You are right. And as the week has gone by I've become more and more excited about Croyle playing.

But there is hope for us, we have your brilliant, tuff ass, here to straighten us out.

Croyle was 0-9
Cassel was 4-12 last year

Not much difference

Actually there is a big difference between 0-9 and 4-12, and also between.....

11-5 and 0-9

and 8-4 and 0-9

See what I did there?

Thanks for playing.

Well at least you defended your position intelligently with facts and stuff.

No Kidding, the Great Brokie could have turned it around those last 7 games and went 7 - 9, maybe at least 5-11 ? :rolleyes: No ? :banghead:

Everybody just settle down. The situation is what it is. None of us can change it except the Chiefs coaches. It's up to them to regroup and put forth a game plan that the Chargers may not even think about.

With this in mind, Brodie has been out of playing time for a while, look for SD to put the heat on him early and often.

1st play, check the Hot route ( blitz ) and if giving enough time, go long on the 1st play, send a signal that none of this 8 men in the box crap. Personally, if we block the line correctly, with Charles & Jones on the 8 men in the box it could produce some BIG GAINS.

I say the Chargers are the ones that have to figure out how to play us now.

LMAO

I gotcha, but there are many posts basically saying the exact same thing without the sarcasm.

I think because Croyle was drafted by KC that a lot of people want him to be "the one" and are fairly blind to the reality that he just isn't that good. May make a serviceable back up though. We will see Sunday.

If you read my previous posts, I did.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...77#post7242677

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http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...23#post7242623 post # 56

It is how I feel, and I know how you feel, and I didn't call you a stupid cock sucking son of bitching ignorant arrogant bastard for it either.

i think you just convinced me that the Chiefs will lose Sunday

Yeah, that appears to be the norm for reacting to different opinions by some.

Looking forward to this game more than ever because we are trotting out a guy that is 0-9 as a starter over a guy that has this team at 8-4 in first place with a 23-4 TD/pick ratio is ****ing mind boggling. It really is. Yes, you're stupid.

So Cassels surgery has zero bearing on his being out there and he should play anyway?

I'm saying people that are excited more about this game because Cassel is out, when we are trotting out a guy that is winless as a starter and we're trying to put the division away, are ****ing morons.

Does Brodie give us a better chance of winning than Cassel?

Uh, not no but hell no.

I'm excited about this game because its a Chiefs game period. I wish Cassel was playing, I wish he didn't have surgery, and I wish my other hand wasn't full of shit...:D

Would you be happy with Brodie if he went 10/22 for 68 yards and 1 TD on Sunday?

See, I watch the games, you are reciting numbers. Cassel played two good games this year, two. I want to see what Brodie can do, even though it will be a small sample.

The rest of the six wins, was done by keeping Cassel from losing the games. If you know half as much about football as you spout off that you do, you know this.

If Brodie had half the opportunities Cassel has had, in my opinion he would do better. He actually did something in college, besides warming the bench. He was universally acclaimed for his talent. Is he the final answer? Probably not, but anyone that thinks Cassel is, is kidding themselves.

But go on, run your mouth brilliant one.

Bazinga!!

HA, wut ?


:huh:

We will have to agree to disagree on this

It's a pretty self-explanatory question. Which part do you not understand?

You don't play 2 good games and go 23-4. That's ****ing stupid beyond comprehension.

The rest of your shit, wow. If Brodie were that good, he's not 0-9 as a ****ing starter. What part about that don't you get?????

No, but you quoting stats from opening night when the weather sucked ass is pretty ****ing dumb.

You probably just have a different definition of 'good'. It seems like to you "not bad" = "good" while to us, "good" = "good". He has 2 really good games, and a pretty good game last Sunday (I'm not counting the practice against Denver in the 2nd half of that game).

I can see things from both sides. I don't get to excited and wrapped up in this crap. The situation is what it is,injuries happens and good teams find ways to work through them, this should make the whole team step it up and rally around Brodie. If they do not, then clearly we do not have the team we need to compete in the NFL.

One player a team make ? Hardly, howbeit, we all know a good QB is a vital part. Was Frank Reich a GREAT starting QB ? No, but when called upon in backup time the team rallied around him and made him look like a saint. There has been many of backup QB's that thought they were # 1 material, finally moving on to find they were not what they thought they were.

We get the chance this weekend to see if this team is really making strides.

22/39 298 2TDs
Now, shut the **** up.

Do the Chiefs win??

week 3 against the 9ers he hit 59% of his passes for 250 with 3 TD's and 1 pick in a blow out win

week 5 against the Texas he 20 of 29 for 201 with 3 TD's and no picks including what should have been the game winning drive but the defense folded

62% for 193 and 2 TD's no picks in a blowout win against Zona

69% for 233 with 4 TD's and zero picks on the road in Seattle

55% for for 196 and a TD with no picks last week

It's already been disproved that Denver was NOT playing a prevent or soft zone in that game in the second half where they blitzed 25 times. So there's 6 games at least.

Brodie is 0-9 as a starter. /thread

With 94 ****ing yards of that coming on a blown coverage on two plays. Now make me shut the **** up **** rag.

What the **** are you talking about? When has Cassel gone 23 and 4? This year he is 8 and 4. Last year he was 4 and 11 with the same team Brodie was 0 and 1 with.

If you are going to make excuses for Cassel and the Weather, the last time Brodie played, his Offensive Coordinator had just been fired, dumbass. He didn't have the coaching and support that Cassel has had.

That is why I am excited to see what he does, is that so ****ing hard for you dumbass?

No where did I say I was glad Cassel was out, I said I was more excited to see Brodie play, which I am.

My guess croyle will go 18-26 269 2tds with 1 Int..

But, but, the weather?

23 touchdowns with 4 picks.

was one of the main reasons SD lost the game. We jumped out early, ran the ball (something they couldnt do) and won the game...

Stop trying to use logic on squirrel nuts there.

Did you watch the games, dude? I'll repeat, Cassel has had 2 really good games (and by really good games I mean stepping up in the pocket and delivering strikes, avoiding pressure without shitting his pants, making his reads and being accurate). You can post the numbers all day long, I know they're impressive and I'm sure they'll convince all those pundits on TV that don't actually watch the games, but they can't convince me when I saw how Cassel was playing with my own 2 eyes.

We won the game because Dex ran one back for a TD.

Probably because you are blind as a ****ing bat and a ****ing moron to match.

You go 20-29 for 209 with 3 TD's and no picks including what should have been the game winning drive and that doesn't count? Yes, you are a moron. Go eat a big pile of camel shit.

You are right, those two games were exceptional. I thought he had arrived, the way he looked against Seattle.

But then reality reared its ugly head in the Denver game.

Now I want to see him pull one out of the fire, make a comeback. I want to see what he can do when the running game isn't working.

I hope like hell he does it, because the team is clearly going to have him a while.

LMAO

I called it! I said there would be all sorts of caveats by the Cassel haters. It's unreal how much hate there is for the guy. Best QB play we have had in years and "reality reared its head" because of last week, when he actually played just fine. And we won.

Wow, I mean words can't describe how stupid......

Yeah, he put up amazing numbers against a pass-D that was dead last in the league while he made what, like 1 deep pass (and by deep I mean 20 yards, lol) the whole freaking game? That whole game consisted of short passes with good YAC gains, thanks to that shit D we were playing against. Like I said, I don't know if you actually watched the game or just going by the impressive stats. I also remember the awesome flameout on our last possession.

Remind me how many touchdowns the defense gave up in that second half dipshit. The "flameout" you speak of is when the tackle got beat like a ****ing drum from the snap of the ball virtually killing that drive. Who doesn't watch the games again?

Remind me again how many "good games" has Brodie Croyle ever had?

I just read that Vincent Jackson wants to play and that Gates is gonna play as well.

Words can not describe how stupid it is for a QB to lose 17 yards on a sack, when it was 4th down.

Words can not describe it, it was similar to the sack in Denver that allowed them to go up 35-0, after he had already shit his pants on the previous drives.

Amazing how fans view the game differently... I would say we won the game with our ground game and defensive stand at the end of the game...

But hey, each to their own... You see it one way, I see it another.

Right, nevermind that the tackles in both situations were beaten BADLY. And yes it was a sack that "allowed" Denver to go up 35-0. The SACK allowed 35 points.

It's like you spend your time inhaling ether.

There will never be any words for how the defense played at Denver and in Houston...

One couldnt even put a sentence together to describe shitting their pants...

I agree with you.. They shit their ****ing pants....

Biggest issue fans HATE about football, The whole team sport concept.. Its in fanbases every where, not just in KC...

Croyle didnt play terrible against a good BAL defense in week 1 of last year after Gailey was fired.....at least he didnt throw any picks....had 2 TD's iirc

Did you watch the game or have you forgotten? The Broncos were up 28, since the Broncos were totally shutting the Cassel down.

Then Cassel folded like like a cheap suit when he got hit and fumbled, which was ran back for a TD. 28+7=35

But he did look great in two games! Hopefully it will be many more.

Now go throw some more coal in the heater, and STFU.

Exactly, and that is a big part of my enthusiasm for getting to see him play again, with all the new improvements.


But no, we should all be pissed that Cassel is out, and just give the **** up.

Brodie will do okay, I think.

He'll throw the short dump-off in the flat at 120 mph. Other than that, I think he'll do fine.

He really isn't a bad quarterback ... skill-wise. He's had phenomenally bad injury luck throughout his career but he keeps rehabbing and coming back. He must like the game, or something.

As for his pro record, Herm can screw up an anvil.

I have faith that a Haley/Weis Brodie is a vastly different animal than a Herm Brodie.

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Dude. He threw for 177 yards two TD's and was sacked 3 times and fumbled.

That's what you are ****ing are so giddy about?

When Cassel puts up those stats, he sucks. When Croyle does it, you're rubbing one out to it.

You guys are ****ing stupid. Wow.

From the start of the second quarter to the end of the ball game, Cassel outscored the Donks 29-28. So the defense continued to fold like a bitch and Cassel stepped up after a poor start. And it was not against a prevent defense. This has already been proven false many times.

Got anything else?

Mom ... ?

FAX

Completely different team, really, Mr. TheGuardian. O-line's completely different, defense is completely different (or playing like it), run game is completely different, coaches are completely different, game-planning is completely different.

Different. See?

FAX

You're arguing the wrong point. I know I introduced these strawmen and gave you something to talk about as opposed to addressing the meat of the argument, which was that he made SHORT PASSES ALL GAME LONG and his receivers worked their little assess off to give him the numbers he got.

Just not seeing it.

Can you explain it again?