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Saccopoo 01-23-2011 12:58 AM

Sac's 1/22 Mock (Official Underclassman Draft)
 
1. Carolina Panthers
- A.J. Green, WR; Georgia
- Green is the most talented player in the draft and is considered the best wideout prospect since Calvin Johnson. The guy is a phenom and would give the Panthers a legit weapon downrange, especially as Steve Smith is aging. Fairley is tempting, but Panthers should be able to get a quality DT in the second round, such as local boy Marvin Austin.

2. Denver Broncos
- Nick Fairley, DT; Auburn
- Denver needs immediate help in the defensive front four and Fairley had a monster 2010 season capped by a fantastic performance in the national championship game.

3. Buffalo Bills
- Jake Locker, QB; Washington
- Locker might have been the first quarterback taken last year, but for whatever reason, he’s now being devalued. I don’t buy it. The guy has elite level measurables and should put up ridiculous numbers during the Combine and at his Pro Day workout. Bills fans aren’t satisfied with Fitz at QB and they’ve spent a lot of recent #1 picks on the defensive side of the ball.

4. Cincinnati Bengals
- Da’Quan Bowers, DE; Clemson
- Bowers, the former #1 overall HS prospect, finally lived up to the hype in 2010 posting 15.5 sacks and 25 TFL. A physical freak in the Peppers mold, it will be interesting to see if just one solid year nets him a top five pick. I don’t think the Bengals can afford to pass on him as their pass rush was anemic.

5. Arizona Cardinals
- Robert Quinn, OLB/DE; North Carolina
- Haggans and Porter are in the mid-30’s and Arizona only had 26 sacks total last season. Quinn, while sitting out the 2010 season due to receiving improper benefits, has been endorsed by UNC for the upcoming draft. Was considered one of the top players prior to his ineligibility.

6. Cleveland Browns
- Marcell Dareus, DT; Alabama
- The Browns defensive line was in shambles from injury and lack of depth in 2010. Dareus has the size, athleticism and versatility to play any of the defensive line spots in a 3-4 and would give the Browns a huge boost talent wise.

7. San Francisco 49’ers
- Pat Peterson, CB; LSU
- The Niners hit the lottery here as Peterson falls into their laps. Not only do they need an upgrade at cornerback, Peterson is considered to be one of the best CB prospects in a long, long time.

8. Tennessee Titans
- Cam Newton, QB; Auburn
- To the surprise of some, quarterback Vince Young was shown the door this off-season. Lucky for the Titans, a substantially more talented guy is now for the taking in Heisman Trophy winner Cam Newton. Newton has a much better arm and is much faster than Young. The offense is set up for a guy like Newton and head coach Jeff Fisher will love Newton’s competitiveness and desire to win.

9. Dallas Cowboys
- Mark Ingram, RB; Alabama
- Barber has fallen out of favor/use, and Jones’ YPC dropped to a pedestrian 4.3 in 2010. Ingram reminds some of former Cowboy great Emmitt Smith for his vision and patience and ability to hit holes at the correct moment. He’s very instinctive and would take off a lot of pressure from Romo.

10. Washington Redskins
- Blaine Gabbert, QB; Missouri
- Gabbert has jumped up as one of the top quarterback prospects in the 2010 draft due to his prototype size and big arm. The Redskins desperately need a QB and Gabbert fits what Shanahan likes in a signal caller.

11. Houston Texans
- Von Miller, OLB; Texas A&M
- Miller, the 2010 Butkus Award winner, is the best pass rusher in this draft and would fill a big need on the Texans roster as they move to a 3-4 defense under new coordinator Wade Phillips.

12. Minnesota Vikings
- Julio Jones, WR; Alabama
- With most of the quarterbacks off the board, the Vikings look to bolster a passing game that ranked 26th in the league and draft phenom Jones. Jones is a huge target with insane athletic abilities. His numbers weren’t huge in Alamaba’s run oriented offensive scheme, but all the measurables and intangibles are there to give Minnesota their true #1 WR that they have lacked in recent years.

13. Detroit Lions
- Mike Pouncey, OG; Florida
- The Lions may have the worst guards in the history of the league. Their quarterbacks suffered injury after injury as defensive tackles and linebackers blew through the middle of the line. They need to bolster a weak run game and Pouncey is the best lineman in this draft, even if he’s a pure guard. Huge, athletic and powerful, Pouncey would be mana from heaven for a talent starved interior offensive line.

14. St. Louis Rams
- Prince Amukamara, CB; Nebraska
- With Jones off the board, the Rams go with BPA and Amukamara is the guy. It also fills a large talent void at the cornerback position.

15. Miami Dolphins
- Stephen Paea, DT; Oregon State
- Paul Solial is a free agent and if he doesn’t re-sign with Miami, they’ll have a huge need at the nose tackle position. Paea is a beast that can really plug the run.

16. Jacksonville Jaguars
- Ryan Kerrigan, DE; Purdue
- Absolute monster 2010 season as he destroyed offensive lines on his way to first team AA and conference defensive POY.

17. New England Patriots
- Akeem Ayers, OLB; UCLA
- Ayers fits the 3-4 OLB mold to a “T” especially in the Patriots system.

18. San Diego Chargers
- Justin Houston, OLB; Georgia
- Merriman is basically an afterthought and English hasn’t developed. Houston has the size and athleticism you want in a 3-4 rush backer, a position the Chargers need.

19. New York Giants
- Gabe Carimi, OT; Wisconsin
- The Giants need tackle help, and Carimi played extremely well down the stretch for the Badgers. He’s athletic, but experienced in smash mouth football. He’ll fit the Giants scheme well.

20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
- Brandon Harris, CB; Miami
- Ronde Barber may or may not be back next season. Even if he’s on the roster, he’ll be 36 and there isn’t much else behind him.

21. Kansas City Chiefs
- Anthony Costanzo, OT; Boston College
- The Chiefs need offensive line help. Their tackles aren’t very good, and that’s being generous. Costanzo has started since his freshman year in BC’s pro style offense. Lots of room for growth on his frame, and has very good skills.

22. Indianapolis Colts
- Tyron Smith, OT; USC
- The Colts need to find a blind side protector immediately. Smith has very good skill set and is moving up in a lot of evaluations.

23. Philadelphia Eagles
- Derek Sherrod, OT; Mississippi State
- The Eagles gave up a ton of sacks in 2010 and need to shore up the o-line. Sherrod is a mauler that fits the Andy Reid offensive lineman mold.

24. New Orleans Saints
- Adrian Clayborn, DE; Iowa
- Clayborn had a less effective season in 2010 and it drops him a bit. Saints are happy to have him fall as it gives depth and talent to a defensive line that needs to improve it’s pass rush.

25. Seattle Seahawks
- Marvin Austin, DT; North Carolina
- Seattle must upgrade the defensive tackle position. Austin, like fellow Tar Heel Robert Quinn, was suspended from play for the 2010 season for accepting gifts. He’s been a terror at the Shrine Bowl practices and looks to have put in a lot of work during this past year. Thick and strong.

26. Baltimore Ravens
- Stephen Wisniewski, C; Penn State
- Matt Birk will be 35 next season. A replacement needs to be groomed sooner rather than later. Wisniewski is a tough guy who’ll fit in nicely at Baltimore.

27. Atlanta Falcons
- Greg Jones, LB; Michigan State
- Jones is the top 4-3 linebacker in the draft and has the ability to play any of the positions. Mike Peterson is 35 years old. Jones would give the Falcons a trio of talented, young linebackers.

28. New England Patriots
- Jimmy Smith, CB; Colorado
- The Pats ranked 30th in passing yards given up in 2010 and need to bolster that area. Smith is incredibly talented and has a passion for the game. Fits the mold of what the Pats typically look for in a player,

29. Green Bay Packers
- J.J. Watt, DE/DT; Wisconsin
- While the Packers could use upgrades/depth at the running back spot and wide receiver, Watt is too good a prospect at the 3-4 defensive end position to pass on at this point – a spot where Green Bay is thin without significant talent.

30. New York Jets
- Cameron Heyward, DE/DT; Ohio State
- Ellis and Pryce are in their mid-30’s, Gholston is a bust and will be released. DeVito is tough but lacks athleticism. Heyward would be a solid pick for the Jets here in the late first round.

31. Chicago Bears
- Nate Solder, OT; Colorado
- Bears need offensive tackles. Solder is incredibly athletic and even though he’s 6’8”, 310 lbs., has a lot of room on his frame to add weight. Strong and smart with an exceptional work ethic.

32. Pittsburgh Steelers
- DeMarcus Love, OT; Arkansas
- Can play either guard or tackle position. Was a four year starter for the Razorbacks at RG, RT and LT. A nasty mauler type lineman.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-23-2011 01:02 AM

I'd be stunned if Aldon Smith wasn't a first rounder.

Locker has a better chance of going in the third round than third overall.

BossChief 01-23-2011 01:10 AM

Id rather have Wisnewski if we are going linemen at 21....if it fell like that.

RealSNR 01-23-2011 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7376189)
Id rather have Wisnewski if we are going linemen at 21....if it fell like that.

This. I don't trust Old Man Weigmann to not die next year.

MoreLemonPledge 01-23-2011 04:35 AM

****, Sac. Still going O-Line?

spanky 52 01-23-2011 05:01 AM

Add me to the Wisniewski fan club. I think that's a greater need than tackle at this point. You gotta give Sac his due, he's a tackle man to the end.

milkman 01-23-2011 07:10 AM

Sac was bitching that the tackles in this class were not very good, then he does a mock draft where he has 6 tackles going in the first round.

milkman 01-23-2011 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7376182)
I'd be stunned if Aldon Smith wasn't a first rounder.

Locker has a better chance of going in the third round than third overall.

Jonathan Baldwin is missing in this mock first round, and I have to believe he would be a guy the Chiefs would strongly consider, to give Cassel a big target.

Sfeihc 01-23-2011 08:15 AM

I want me some Baldwin if there are no trades or FA due to a lockout.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-23-2011 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7376307)
Jonathan Baldwin is missing in this mock first round, and I have to believe he would be a guy the Chiefs would strongly consider, to give Cassel a big target.

Not really a Pioli kind of player, but he'd be a good choice.

Saccopoo 01-23-2011 03:43 PM

Tackle was the way it fell.

Wisniewski is a very good player, but Wiegmann was the best player on the offensive line last year. There is no depth as the Chiefs only had three tackles on the roster and none of them are worth a damn.

And I think that Costanzo is a very good player. He's a solid tackle. If you bitch about picking one up at 21 after watching Richardson, Albert and O'Murphy flail about this past season, you are nuts.

Pioli screwed himself in 2009 and 2010. He could have easily have taken a quality tackle at any point in those drafts and upgraded the position. And it didn't have to be Okung for Berry. Beadles over McCluster would have been awesome. Monroe, Oher or Mack over Jackson would have been great. (Sanchez or Curry over Jackson would have been great.) Now he's stuck with three stiffs who can't compete at the NFL level and is basically forced to take a guy in this draft. Like I predicted the past two seasons.

And yet, even after watching our offensive tackles struggle, people around here still want to take a 3-4 defensive end. After we have already used two top five draft picks on that position the last three years. Jesus H. Keerist.

milkman 01-23-2011 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7377174)
Tackle was the way it fell.

Wisniewski is a very good player, but Wiegmann was the best player on the offensive line last year. There is no depth as the Chiefs only had three tackles on the roster and none of them are worth a damn.

And I think that Costanzo is a very good player. He's a solid tackle. If you bitch about picking one up at 21 after watching Richardson, Albert and O'Murphy flail about this past season, you are nuts.

Pioli screwed himself in 2009 and 2010. He could have easily have taken a quality tackle at any point in those drafts and upgraded the position. And it didn't have to be Okung for Berry. Beadles over McCluster would have been awesome. Monroe, Oher or Mack over Jackson would have been great. (Sanchez or Curry over Jackson would have been great.) Now he's stuck with three stiffs who can't compete at the NFL level and is basically forced to take a guy in this draft. Like I predicted the past two seasons.

And yet, even after watching our offensive tackles struggle, people around here still want to take a 3-4 defensive end. After we have already used two top five draft picks on that position the last three years. Jesus H. Keerist.

Uh......Who the hell wants to take a DE?

And Weigman wore down as the year progressed, and even at his best, he couldn't get any push in short yardage situations, and he might well retire, which means it an even bigger need.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-23-2011 10:11 PM

Wiegmann was not even close to the best player on the line. That is ****ing reeruned.

Saccopoo 01-23-2011 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7379626)
Uh......Who the hell wants to take a DE?

And Weigman wore down as the year progressed, and even at his best, he couldn't get any push in short yardage situations, and he might well retire, which means it an even bigger need.

There has been some mention of Costanzo being a bad pick considering all the talent from 22 to 32 in Wrights mock, and almost all of them are DE's that are being mentioned.

And I don't really give a shit who they replace on the offensive line. They all need to be upgraded. However, Wiegmann was the best of the bunch. The RT position was the worst, followed by LT. At least to me, picking a solid RT prospect at the 21 spot isn't much of a reach by any consideration.

I don't know. This place is a ****ing Twilight Zone sometimes. People bitch and moan about the possibility of the Chiefs drafting an offensive tackle in the first round, a position that most people in football deem as one of the most important on a football team, but they are happy as pigs in mud that we can draft a ****ing safety or center in the first.

I mean, holy shit. It's like permanent opposite world around here.

milkman 01-23-2011 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7379635)
There has been some mention of Costanzo being a bad pick considering all the talent from 22 to 32 in Wrights mock, and almost all of them are DE's that are being mentioned.

And I don't really give a shit who they replace on the offensive line. They all need to be upgraded. However, Wiegmann was the best of the bunch. The RT position was the worst, followed by LT. At least to me, picking a solid RT prospect at the 21 spot isn't much of a reach by any consideration.

I don't know. This place is a ****ing Twilight Zone sometimes. People bitch and moan about the possibility of the Chiefs drafting an offensive tackle in the first round, a position that most people in football deem as one of the most important on a football team, but they are happy as pigs in mud that we can draft a ****ing safety or center in the first.

I mean, holy shit. It's like permanent opposite world around here.

I'm not bitching at the idea of drafting a RT.

I am simply pointing out the flaw in your argument against taking a center over a RT.

I agree that neither Richardson or Albert played at a high level, and upgrading those postions would be something to look at.

But I think that concerns about Wiegman's age and the possibility of retirement make it a higher priority.

milkman 01-23-2011 10:22 PM

Oh, and I'm still trying to find where a DE is mentioned.

Aldon Smith is projected as an OLB in a 34.

Chris Meck 01-23-2011 10:23 PM

Wiegmann is the biggest problem on that line at this time in his career. He is too small and too old to get it done. The fact that we can never pick up a 3rd and 1 on the ground ought to tell you that.

Even if he wasn't, he's 38 and probably retiring, so the idea that you'd draft a right tackle in the 1st with huge gaping holes at NT and WR as well as C tells me you don't really know what you're looking at.

Saccopoo 01-23-2011 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 7379654)
Wiegmann is the biggest problem on that line at this time in his career. He is too small and too old to get it done. The fact that we can never pick up a 3rd and 1 on the ground ought to tell you that.

Even if he wasn't, he's 38 and probably retiring, so the idea that you'd draft a right tackle in the 1st with huge gaping holes at NT and WR as well as C tells me you don't really know what you're looking at.

And what are you looking at Football Jesus?

Do you think that yet another first round draft pick on the defensive line is going to solve the problem(s)? That having two first round wide receivers is going to get it done?

Seriously, I hope that we draft defensive line, outside linebacker or wide receiver. And then next year, when we still can't sustain a drive or protect the quarterback, we'll say "Shit, if we can draft an inside linebacker in the first, it would solve all our problems and then we'll win again."

milkman 01-23-2011 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7379683)
And what are you looking at Football Jesus?

Do you think that yet another first round draft pick on the defensive line is going to solve the problem(s)? That having two first round wide receivers is going to get it done?

Seriously, I hope that we draft defensive line, outside linebacker or wide receiver. And then next year, when we still can't sustain a drive or protect the quarterback, we'll say "Shit, if we can draft an inside linebacker in the first, it would solve all our problems and then we'll win again."

I've got this covered.

Let's sign Tyson Clabo, Ryan Kalil, James Jones, and Paul Saliai in free agency, then we can focus the draft on BPA.

Urc Burry 01-23-2011 10:38 PM

I feel more comfortable with Barry Richardson than Vrabel, Wiegmann, Ron Edwards, or whoever that undrafted free agent wr we had opposite of Bowe

Bewbies 01-23-2011 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7379683)
And what are you looking at Football Jesus?

Do you think that yet another first round draft pick on the defensive line is going to solve the problem(s)? That having two first round wide receivers is going to get it done?

Seriously, I hope that we draft defensive line, outside linebacker or wide receiver. And then next year, when we still can't sustain a drive or protect the quarterback, we'll say "Shit, if we can draft an inside linebacker in the first, it would solve all our problems and then we'll win again."

Honest question, where are you on Cassel? Is he great, good, ok, bad, terrible?

Saccopoo 01-23-2011 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Urc Burry (Post 7379706)
I feel more comfortable with Barry Richardson than Vrabel, Wiegmann, Ron Edwards, or whoever that undrafted free agent wr we had opposite of Bowe

'Nuff said.

http://www.teesforall.com/images/Fam...lack_Shirt.jpg

Saccopoo 01-23-2011 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 7379708)
Honest question, where are you on Cassel? Is he great, good, ok, bad, terrible?

I think he sucks. Why?

Bewbies 01-23-2011 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7379728)
I think he sucks. Why?

I would argue he's a lot bigger reason we don't sustain drives than the o-line is.

I'm sure you've said something about him before and I missed it, but then again I only see you bagging on the o-line and how much they "suck."

Urc Burry 01-23-2011 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7379727)

Just a quick question... did you watch our defense at all this season?

Bewbies 01-23-2011 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urc Burry (Post 7379752)
Just a quick question... did you watch our defense at all this season?

Does Okung play defense?

Saccopoo 01-23-2011 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 7379736)
I would argue he's a lot bigger reason we don't sustain drives than the o-line is.

I'm sure you've said something about him before and I missed it, but then again I only see you bagging on the o-line and how much they "suck."

They do suck. They hospitalized Huard and Croyle before Cassel even was on the team. Tom Brady would suck balls behind this offensive line. They can't pass block or sustain a drive.

And that's after playing the worst defensive lines in the league in the 2010 season.

When we get a real schedule, it's not going to be pretty.

Personally, I'd love a St. Louis situation. They picked up Bradford, but also Roger Saffold in the second round of that same draft. Saffold was a ****ing stud at LT for them in his rookie year. They've got a lot of additional holes to fill, but they have their foundations set now. The Chiefs got a lot of dog and pony show tricksters (McCluster, Arenas, Berry, etc.), but no substance where it counts. (Specifically the offensive line and the quarterback.)

As I've stated before, if a football team has these three things, they can expect to win more than they lose:

1. Good quarterback
2. Protection for good quarterback
3. Pressure on opposing quarterback with using blitzes/tricks

A good quarterback, given the time, will beat even the very best defenses. But you've got to give him the time. Who he's throwing to is almost a non-consideration. (Look at the Pats Super Bowl teams and tell me who would be considered an elite receiver.)

Chiefs have none of these things other than possibly #3 with Hali.

Bewbies 01-23-2011 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7379776)
They do suck. They hospitalized Huard and Croyle before Cassel even was on the team. Tom Brady would suck balls behind this offensive line. They can't pass block or sustain a drive.

And that's after playing the worst defensive lines in the league in the 2010 season.

When we get a real schedule, it's not going to be pretty.

Personally, I'd love a St. Louis situation. They picked up Bradford, but also Roger Saffold in the second round of that same draft. Saffold was a ****ing stud at LT for them in his rookie year. They've got a lot of additional holes to fill, but they have their foundations set now. The Chiefs got a lot of dog and pony show tricksters (McCluster, Arenas, Berry, etc.), but no substance where it counts. (Specifically the offensive line and the quarterback.)

As I've stated before, if a football team has these three things, they can expect to win more than they lose:

1. Good quarterback
2. Protection for good quarterback
3. Pressure on opposing quarterback with using blitzes/tricks

A good quarterback, given the time, will beat even the very best defenses. But you've got to give him the time. Who he's throwing to is almost a non-consideration. (Look at the Pats Super Bowl teams and tell me who would be considered an elite receiver.)

Chiefs have none of these things other than possibly #3 with Hali.

You sure spend a lot of time bitching about the line for a guy who admits our QB sucks and that you need a good QB to win. Focus some of your energy there perhaps?

Saccopoo 01-23-2011 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Urc Burry (Post 7379752)
Just a quick question... did you watch our defense at all this season?

Yep.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-23-2011 11:13 PM

1) Trade Cassel to Minnesota so they can "win now"
2) Package picks to move up for Gabbert
3)???
4) Profit.

Saccopoo 01-23-2011 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 7379784)
You sure spend a lot of time bitching about the line for a guy who admits our QB sucks and that you need a good QB to win. Focus some of your energy there perhaps?

Like I said, Tom Brady would be dead behind this line. They'd have to pick Manning up with a shovel.

I'd love to have a great quarterback. However, after signing Cassel to a long term, big money deal, I'm not really optimistic about them picking another guy in the first round anytime soon.

As such, if they could possibly upgrade a position in which they don't really have any vested interest in (and none of our offensive lineman are inked to huge, new contracts), and that position is a position of importance, I think that they could and should do it.

We can all sit around and wish that they would draft that mythical "franchise quarterback," but you can crap in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up faster.

Urc Burry 01-23-2011 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7379776)
They do suck. They hospitalized Huard and Croyle before Cassel even was on the team. Tom Brady would suck balls behind this offensive line. They can't pass block or sustain a drive.

And that's after playing the worst defensive lines in the league in the 2010 season.

When we get a real schedule, it's not going to be pretty.

Personally, I'd love a St. Louis situation. They picked up Bradford, but also Roger Saffold in the second round of that same draft. Saffold was a ****ing stud at LT for them in his rookie year. They've got a lot of additional holes to fill, but they have their foundations set now. The Chiefs got a lot of dog and pony show tricksters (McCluster, Arenas, Berry, etc.), but no substance where it counts. (Specifically the offensive line and the quarterback.)

As I've stated before, if a football team has these three things, they can expect to win more than they lose:

1. Good quarterback
2. Protection for good quarterback
3. Pressure on opposing quarterback with using blitzes/tricks

A good quarterback, given the time, will beat even the very best defenses. But you've got to give him the time. Who he's throwing to is almost a non-consideration. (Look at the Pats Super Bowl teams and tell me who would be considered an elite receiver.)

Chiefs have none of these things other than possibly #3 with Hali.

Huard mind as well of been using a walker, and Croyle has been hospitalized getting milk out of the fridge

Bewbies 01-23-2011 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7379793)
1) Trade Cassel to Minnesota so they can "win now"
2) Package picks to move up for Gabbert
3)???
4) Profit.

5. Change underwear
6. Have a good cry

Bewbies 01-23-2011 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7379799)
Like I said, Tom Brady would be dead behind this line. They'd have to pick Manning up with a shovel.

I'd love to have a great quarterback. However, after signing Cassel to a long term, big money deal, I'm not really optimistic about them picking another guy in the first round anytime soon.

As such, if they could possibly upgrade a position in which they don't really have any vested interest in (and none of our offensive lineman are inked to huge, new contracts), and that position is a position of importance, I think that they could and should do it.

We can all sit around and wish that they would draft that mythical "franchise quarterback," but you can crap in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up faster.

So with such a terrible O-line how did we lead the league in rushing?

ChiefsCountry 01-23-2011 11:20 PM

Gotta love the n00bs arguing with Sac about the O-Line. Listen n00bers, don't waste your time - Sac hates Albert worst than lot of us hate Cassel, he thinks you need an all-world OL. Just let him say his stupid shit and ignore it.

Bewbies 01-23-2011 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 7379807)
Gotta love the n00bs arguing with Sac about the O-Line. Listen n00bers, don't waste your time - Sac hates Albert worst than lot of us hate Cassel, he thinks you need an all-world OL. Just let him say his stupid shit and ignore it.

We all know this, it's just more fun to see him rant.

Saccopoo 01-23-2011 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 7379805)
So with such a terrible O-line how did we lead the league in rushing?

The same way Barry Sanders is now in the Hall of Fame with just one single playoff win.

Bewbies 01-23-2011 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7379817)
The same way Barry Sanders is now in the Hall of Fame with just one single playoff win.

We have the best RB's of all time?

ChiefsCountry 01-23-2011 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7379817)
The same way Barry Sanders is now in the Hall of Fame with just one single playoff win.

Andre Ware, Dave Kreig and Scott Mitchell.

Saccopoo 01-23-2011 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 7379807)
Gotta love the n00bs arguing with Sac about the O-Line. Listen n00bers, don't waste your time - Sac hates Albert worst than lot of us hate Cassel, he thinks you need an all-world OL. Just let him say his stupid shit and ignore it.

That's right...having a good offensive line is stupid shit.

http://seattlest.com/attachments/sea...ael2/moron.jpg

Hammock Parties 01-23-2011 11:27 PM

That's just great. Another year of throwing to Bowe and a bunch of shit.

jd1020 01-23-2011 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ClayWhit (Post 7379825)
That's just great. Another year of throwing to Bowe and a bunch of shit.

No way man. We are going to be drafting an undersized slot receiver in the second... again.

Urc Burry 01-23-2011 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7379824)
That's right...having a good offensive line is stupid shit.

http://seattlest.com/attachments/sea...ael2/moron.jpg

And we had a ridiculously good O-Line in '03...how did that turn out?

Bewbies 01-23-2011 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ClayWhit (Post 7379825)
That's just great. Another year of throwing to Bowe and a bunch of shit.

But if your line is good enough who you throw to, and who is throwing the ball doesn't matter.

Ebolapox 01-23-2011 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 7379821)
Andre Ware, Dave Kreig and Scott Mitchell.

dave krieg=seattle

T-post Tom 01-23-2011 11:38 PM

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ChiefsCountry 01-23-2011 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by H5N1 (Post 7379839)
dave krieg=seattle

He played a year in Detroit.

aturnis 01-23-2011 11:57 PM

Nice find Tom. Costanzo got OWNED all day. Was that really just one game?

Hammock Parties 01-24-2011 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 7379838)
But if your line is good enough who you throw to, and who is throwing the ball doesn't matter.

Yes, certainly Chiefs history is proof of this.

Bewbies 01-24-2011 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ClayWhit (Post 7379879)
Yes, certainly Chiefs history is proof of this.

The belief anyway. Maybe Sackofpoo is really King Carl?

Chris Meck 01-24-2011 02:56 AM

I am football jesus, hear me roar.

I am no noob. I was here before almost all of you. I'm not as into the dick jokes, fart jokes, and general childishness as some folks so I mostly lurk.

In my opinion, we led the league in rushing because in addition to Jamaal Charles being very, very damned fast, he's also very quick and shifty. Most of his yards came outside the tackles either on sweeps or broken plays. He can change direction on a dime and be moving full speed like very few backs you'll ever see. This is why Thomas Jones had a rather pedestrian ypc. He doesn't suck, he just requires actual blocking to create an actual hole. Our line was fair at doing that outside, and horrible at running between the tackles. I don't know what to tell you if you didn't see it that way, seems pretty obvious to me.
Wiegmann can pull well, but is way too small to put a helmet on a DT and move him. That's just a fact. He's also 38. This is also a fact. These two facts, in my opinion, would make C a real priority. As further evidence to my opinion-note our inability to EVER pick up one freaking yard on a 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1 without resorting to either trickery or trying to pass.

Now on a 3rd and 8, we might pick up 20 on a Charles sweep left. When we needed one damned yard, we could rarely get it.

Therefore, I surmise that we are not physical enough inside, starting at C where Wiegmann probably weighs about 250 late in the season.

YMMV,

Football Jesus.

nyuck, nyuck.

p.s.-I would like to pick up serviceable upgrades at NT, WR, maybe OLB, and perhaps even C in free agency and then just draft BAA. That may not be possible looking at the FA lists.

Chris

AndChiefs 01-24-2011 07:39 AM

I can't wait for Round 2 where we pick up a RT. We have greater needs than a LT in round 1.

I echo the sentiments of other people in the thread. OLB/WR/NT/C are our greatest needs.

jrobbins 20 01-24-2011 11:10 AM

That safety we drafted is really good and i dont want to draft a lineman in the first, im getting tired of the chiefs spending there first round picks almost every year on a fat mother ****er who sucks.Wiegman was horrible couldnt get no push on no one u guys are really ****ing stupid to say wiegman was the best offensive lineman this year that we had.This is what usually happened hike oh shit wiegman just got pushed down.

jrobbins 20 01-24-2011 11:16 AM

If stephen phea is there at 21 we need to take him.He is undersized but 54 reps at 225 pounds.Squats 600, bench presses 500 do i need to say anything else he will be good and will every play command a double team which is what we need.I think we need nt,ilb,olb,and center

Chiefnj2 01-24-2011 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jrobbins 20 (Post 7380174)
If stephen phea is there at 21 we need to take him.He is undersized but 54 reps at 225 pounds.Squats 600, bench presses 500 do i need to say anything else he will be good and will every play command a double team which is what we need.I think we need nt,ilb,olb,and center

If you could show me any correlation between weightlifting and NT play, I'd be all ears.

HighChief 01-24-2011 01:43 PM

I am all about Best Player available. But you must not ignore needs to a point. If a stud DE like clayborn or watt are there when we pick i personally think that is BPA over a RT.

Saccopoo 01-24-2011 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AndChiefs (Post 7380006)
I can't wait for Round 2 where we pick up a RT. We have greater needs than a LT in round 1.

I echo the sentiments of other people in the thread. OLB/WR/NT/C are our greatest needs.

So, as this mock falls, you would rather have than one of the offensive tackles:

OLB: Aldon Smith or Jeremy Beal
WR: Torrey Smith or Jon Baldwin
DT: Marvin Austin
C: Stefen Wisniewski

OLB: Smith seems to have a lot of potential, but I like Beal's overall game better. He's shown he can drop back in coverage and be effective, as well as being able to support the run and rush the quarterback. I think he fits what the Chiefs would want in their LOLB more than a guy like Smith, who, at this point, would be more of a project than an immediate contributor. Smith might be gone before the 21st pick based on his athleticism and potential, and it might be a little high for Beal. However, given the need for 3-4 OLB's and the lack of them in this draft, it's not out of the realm of reason.

WR: Smith is a speedy return guy/receiver. You can find that same guy later on in the draft like Cobb from Kentucky or Johnson from USC. Baldwin looks to be a possession receiver only. You don't draft possession receivers in the first round. And, frankly, I'd rather have Pettis or Hankerson or Little in the second or third round than spending a first on a #2 wide out.

DT/NT: If Paea is gone, the only two guys worth a high pick for a potential NT slot are Marvin Austin and Jerrell Powe. (Phil Taylor is also a possibility, but he hasn't shown enough on the field to be considered a first day pick, let alone a first round pick.) Powe has good size (6'3", 325 lb.) but his production was off this year and would most likely be there in the second or even third round. Austin has all the intangibles (6'3", 315 lb. with a lot of athleticism to go with the mass), but has a reputation for being a selfish player and was suspended by the NCAA for receiving improper benefits.

As well, the Chiefs have a long history of crapping out on first/high pick defensive tackles.

C: Wisniewski is strong, smart and has the bloodlines (though I don't necessarily think that counts for much). He's a viable pick, though I don't think he's of the same talent level as recent first round center picks Alex Mack or Maurkice Pouncey. I also think he's the exact same player as Zane Taylor, who you could get about four rounds later.

versus the offensive tackles:

Derrek Sherrod: Big, muscular frame. Three year starter at LT. Graduated with a 3.5 in business. Solid player with a lot of upside. Could play either tackle spot.

Tony Costanzo: Looks to be the type of guy Haley would want. He's experienced (four year starter, one at RT, three at LT), athletic and shows a good skill set. Is used to a pro style zone blocking set (which Haley uses). Lots of room on his frame for additional growth. There is a lot of potential here, especially if the Chiefs continue to make Charles the featured back and want their offensive linemen, particularly the tackles to get out into space in the second level.

Demarcus Love: A four year starter at guard and both tackle spots with excellent size. Tough, mauler who would be most suited to be an NFL guard as he lacks the balance and finesse to work on the edge.

Tyron Smith: Junior early entry is probably the most gifted tackle prospect in the draft, but at 6'5", 280 lbs., and only having played the RT spot for two years, there is a lot of "project" about Smith.

Nate Solder: Huge guy at 6'9", 315 lbs., Big 12 Offensive Linemen of the Year, First Team Walter Camp. Only allowed one sack in 2010. Three year starter at left tackle. Very athletic.

Gabe Carimi: Four year starter at left tackle for the Badgers. Excellent footwork and very good athleticism for a guy of his size (6'7", 325 lbs.). First team Walter Camp in 2010.

Carimi, Solder and Costanzo are virtually identical. Long, athletic, smart and experienced with excellent work ethics. None will make it out of the first round. Lee Ziemba of Auburn is similar to these three (long and athletic, 6'8", 310 lbs. First Team Walter Camp) and might be there in round three. After these guys, it's going to be hit or miss for a potential tackle prospect.

It's not a very deep tackle class, but there is a lot of potential talent at the top of it. Guys like Joe Barksdale (LSU), Marcus Cannon (TCU), Marcus Gilbert (Florida), and Chris Hairston (Auburn) look like right tackles or guards at the next level and will be there in round three and beyond.

So, in summary as it relates to this mock, Wisniewski is a possibility as an alternative to an OT. That's about it unless you want to roll the dice on a guy like Aldon Smith or draft a possession receiver. Seeing how we only had three tackles on the roster and they all sucked.

Or you could go with a QB like Mallet.

Saccopoo 01-24-2011 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HighChief (Post 7380423)
I am all about Best Player available. But you must not ignore needs to a point. If a stud DE like clayborn or watt are there when we pick i personally think that is BPA over a RT.

What?! Are you ****ing high?

You want three first rounders at defensive end so one can sit on the bench? And that's a need over upgrading Richardson or Callaghan?

What?!

I'm sorry that Pioli blew the 2009 draft and that this draft is one of the best 3-4 DE drafts I've ever seen, but at this point, you can't possibly draft another defensive end when there are substantially more holes to fill. Especially after the quality year that Shaun Smith put in.

That's nuts.

Ebolapox 01-24-2011 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 7379843)
He played a year in Detroit.

holy crap, you're right. I hadn't remembered that. according to wiki, he played for various teams through 1998 (freaking 18 year nfl career... he's kinda underrated)

Coogs 01-24-2011 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 7379953)
I am football jesus, hear me roar.

I am no noob. I was here before almost all of you. I'm not as into the dick jokes, fart jokes, and general childishness as some folks so I mostly lurk.

In my opinion, we led the league in rushing because in addition to Jamaal Charles being very, very damned fast, he's also very quick and shifty. Most of his yards came outside the tackles either on sweeps or broken plays. He can change direction on a dime and be moving full speed like very few backs you'll ever see. This is why Thomas Jones had a rather pedestrian ypc. He doesn't suck, he just requires actual blocking to create an actual hole. Our line was fair at doing that outside, and horrible at running between the tackles. I don't know what to tell you if you didn't see it that way, seems pretty obvious to me.
Wiegmann can pull well, but is way too small to put a helmet on a DT and move him. That's just a fact. He's also 38. This is also a fact. These two facts, in my opinion, would make C a real priority. As further evidence to my opinion-note our inability to EVER pick up one freaking yard on a 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1 without resorting to either trickery or trying to pass.

Now on a 3rd and 8, we might pick up 20 on a Charles sweep left. When we needed one damned yard, we could rarely get it.

Therefore, I surmise that we are not physical enough inside, starting at C where Wiegmann probably weighs about 250 late in the season.

YMMV,

Football Jesus.

nyuck, nyuck.

p.s.-I would like to pick up serviceable upgrades at NT, WR, maybe OLB, and perhaps even C in free agency and then just draft BAA. That may not be possible looking at the FA lists.

Chris

This to the whole darn post! Our inability to run on 3rd/4th and short is the absolute biggest weakness of this team IMO. We have several other weaknesses that need to be addressed, but this one... first and foremost... has to be taken care of.

Chiefnj2 01-24-2011 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 7380663)
This to the whole darn post! Our inability to run on 3rd/4th and short is the absolute biggest weakness of this team IMO. We have several other weaknesses that need to be addressed, but this one... first and foremost... has to be taken care of.

It cost the Jets yesterday.

Coogs 01-24-2011 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7380706)
It cost the Jets yesterday.

Yes it did. And even though we led the NFL in rushing, it really cost us as well. I find it kind of ironic that we led the NFL in rushing, but could not run it for 1 yard to save our life.

Chiefnj2 01-24-2011 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 7380721)
Yes it did. And even though we led the NFL in rushing, it really cost us as well. I find it kind of ironic that we led the NFL in rushing, but could not run it for 1 yard to save our life.

That's why I wouldn't completely flip out if KC used the 21st pick on an OL. It's not ideal, but if you get someone who can consistently move the pile, it would be great.

philfree 01-24-2011 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 7380721)
Yes it did. And even though we led the NFL in rushing, it really cost us as well. I find it kind of ironic that we led the NFL in rushing, but could not run it for 1 yard to save our life.

It's because Charles is such a playmaker. He made our line look better then it is. We could draft Pouncey and have him work at both C and G. If he can become our C then great. If he can't and he's a G then great. I bet he could really learn alot from Waters, Weigman and Lilja.


PhilFree:arrow:

suds79 01-24-2011 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 7380663)
This to the whole darn post! Our inability to run on 3rd/4th and short is the absolute biggest weakness of this team IMO. We have several other weaknesses that need to be addressed, but this one... first and foremost... has to be taken care of.

Agreed with the inability to run on short yardage. Just my thoughts.

1st - Our power back in Thomas Jones is well beyond his better years. Get a young bigger back, and the problem would be largely solved.

2nd - I wonder if we will always have this problem. Todd & Scott apparently like lean players and this drives me crazy sometimes.

Passed on Cody twice last year. I'm sure weight was an issue. But before I go off on a tangent there, look at our O-line. Where's the beef?

LT Albert - 6'5 316 (convinced Branden to slim down)
LG Waters - 6'3 320
C Wiegmann - 6'2 285 (who we know is weak at the point of attack)
RG Lilja - 6'2 290
RT Richardson - 6'6 319 (used to weigh much more than this in college) again asked to slim down)

Now lets compare to Pittsburgh. A team that just ran all over the Jets.

LT - 318 lbs
LG - 344 lbs
C - 304
RG - 325 lbs
RT - 338 lbs

Pretty big difference. Just sayin. Something to think about.

Oh yes before I forget. Jon Asamoah who will end up replacing Waters someday. 6'4 305. Getting even smaller.

Chiefnj2 01-24-2011 04:09 PM

Too bad this year is a bad year for centers.

IMHO, Gabe Carimi will make an excellent RT. But, there is probably better value at 21 (Greg Jones or Houston at LB).

gonefishin53 01-24-2011 07:42 PM

The Chiefs have some problems with balance on offense which makes it possible for good defenses to make the Chiefs offense look poor. They can't run the ball between the tackles very well and they don't have a second perimeter receiving threat to balance Bowe. With next years schedule, a more balanced offense will be needed to avoid slipping back to 6-10.

IMO, Wiegmann was only signed for 1 yr. because Pioli/Haley plan to sign Arizona FA OC Lyle Sendlien as he has familiarity with Haley's offense and led Haley's OL in the SB. Asomoah needs to win the RG spot to get the interior OL at least to a minimal level of "push the pile" physicality.

Getting a decent pro WR like Lee Evans (Bills), Ben Obomanu (Seahawks), James Jones (Packers), or Mike Sims-Walker (Jaguars) in FA, along with a more physical interior OL, would go a long way towards making opposing defenses respect the Chief's ability to attack the entire field on every play.

I don't think Pitt WR Jon Baldwin is quick enough to get separation against nfl corners. But if he can carry 235 lbs. without losing speed or quickness, he could be a safety and linebackers nightmare as a Shannon Sharpe type TE/H-back/slot receiver as long as he's willing to block like Sharpe did. Don't know if that would appeal to Pioli/Haley at #21.

ChiefsCountry 01-24-2011 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7380706)
It cost the Jets yesterday.

Not running with Shonn Greene was the first mistake.

ChiefsCountry 01-24-2011 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7380754)
Too bad this year is a bad year for centers.

IMHO, Gabe Carimi will make an excellent RT. But, there is probably better value at 21 (Greg Jones or Houston at LB).

If we had to go right tackle, Carimi is the guy I like.

the Talking Can 01-24-2011 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by gonefishin53 (Post 7381227)
The Chiefs have some problems with balance on offense which makes it possible for good defenses to make the Chiefs offense look poor. They can't run the ball between the tackles very well and they don't have a second perimeter receiving threat to balance Bowe. With next years schedule, a more balanced offense will be needed to avoid slipping back to 6-10.

IMO, Wiegmann was only signed for 1 yr. because Pioli/Haley plan to sign Arizona FA OC Lyle Sendlien as he has familiarity with Haley's offense and led Haley's OL in the SB. Asomoah needs to win the RG spot to get the interior OL at least to a minimal level of "push the pile" physicality.

Getting a decent pro WR like Lee Evans (Bills), Ben Obomanu (Seahawks), James Jones (Packers), or Mike Sims-Walker (Jaguars) in FA, along with a more physical interior OL, would go a long way towards making opposing defenses respect the Chief's ability to attack the entire field on every play.

I don't think Pitt WR Jon Baldwin is quick enough to get separation against nfl corners. But if he can carry 235 lbs. without losing speed or quickness, he could be a safety and linebackers nightmare as a Shannon Sharpe type TE/H-back/slot receiver as long as he's willing to block like Sharpe did. Don't know if that would appeal to Pioli/Haley at #21.

welcome to the planet

nice post, and interesting take on Sendlein...

the Talking Can 01-24-2011 08:29 PM

i'm just not going to freak out this year if we take an OL at 21...we do need a RT and Center, and i think one could be FA and one draft...

we need help at LB badly too and still need a ****ing NT (which is crazy going into year 3), if we had only taken Raji instead of Jackson we'd have a lot more flexibility (imagine dorsey next to raji...ugh)...we could pick up a FA WR and then go best OL/WR/LB in rounds 1 and 2

sucks we still have so many needs

ChiefsCountry 01-24-2011 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7381336)
welcome to the planet

nice post, and interesting take on Sendlein...

He has brought Sendlein up before, and it really makes sense. The only thing I could see that could hold things up on that is that Sendlein is a native of the Phoenix area.

Bewbies 01-24-2011 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7381356)
i'm just not going to freak out this year if we take an OL at 21...we do need a RT and Center, and i think one could be FA and one draft...

we need help at LB badly too and still need a ****ing NT (which is crazy going into year 3), if we had only taken Raji instead of Jackson we'd have a lot more flexibility (imagine dorsey next to raji...ugh)...we could pick up a FA WR and then go best OL/WR/LB in rounds 1 and 2

sucks we still have so many needs

This is pretty much spot on for me too--even spent a few minutes today talking about how we should have taken Raji. :banghead:

I still hope we get WR, NT or LB help in the 1st, but if nothing is there nothing is there. Heck, I sort of hope we pull at Pats move and trade back a few spots and pick up a 1st rounder next year.

gonefishin53 01-24-2011 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 7381367)
He has brought Sendlein up before, and it really makes sense. The only thing I could see that could hold things up on that is that Sendlein is a native of the Phoenix area.


A lot depends on Fitz. Until Fitz re-signs, the future of the franchise and Sendlein, should he stay, isn't pretty. Sendlein might take a decent offer from KC rather than deal with the drama in Arizona.

milkman 01-24-2011 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7379799)
Like I said, Tom Brady would be dead behind this line. They'd have to pick Manning up with a shovel.

I'd love to have a great quarterback. However, after signing Cassel to a long term, big money deal, I'm not really optimistic about them picking another guy in the first round anytime soon.

As such, if they could possibly upgrade a position in which they don't really have any vested interest in (and none of our offensive lineman are inked to huge, new contracts), and that position is a position of importance, I think that they could and should do it.

We can all sit around and wish that they would draft that mythical "franchise quarterback," but you can crap in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up faster.

The same thing can be said to you.

You can crap in one hand wish in the other, cause it doesn't appear the Chiefs are going to be drafting anyone to replace Albert.

I'd also be surprised to see them do it on the other side.

milkman 01-24-2011 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 7381296)
Not running with Shonn Greene was the first mistake.

Not trying to punch it in on the two previous plays was the first mistake.

aturnis 01-24-2011 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7381536)
Not trying to punch it in on the two previous plays was the first mistake.

Especially since both Albert and Richardson are both good run blockers. Which Saccopoo apparently does not see. The problem with our running game is right up the gut. Right where Saccopoo says our best o-lineman plays.

Saccopoo 01-25-2011 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 7381650)
Especially since both Albert and Richardson are both good run blockers. Which Saccopoo apparently does not see. The problem with our running game is right up the gut. Right where Saccopoo says our best o-lineman plays.

No they are not. Albert has no balance, doesn't move his feet well, lunges and tries to drive block in the open field/second level and ends up on the ground constantly. It's ****ing embarrassing more than anything. Saying Richardson is good at anything is being overly generous, and both he and Albert got a ton of help from Moeaki and Bowe, who are the teams best blockers. (Tragically, they are also our best receivers. When they are running patterns, our blocking ability is virtually non-existent.)

Our "up the gut" game doesn't exist. Wiegmann will get overwhelmed when forced to take on two defenders such as a center will be asked to do in short yardage situations. Lilja was released by the Colts because he didn't have the strength to hold the point of attack, particularly in the red zone against the Saints. Both are very good players, but they are not short yardage guys. Our backs and fullbacks are not good blockers. And Waters, while crafty with some power still in his game, has never had the most nimble of feet.

The team is built for an east-west game (something that Albert isn't good at anyway as he was drafted as a phone booth guard out of college that had very good pro-days and Combine and some people were projecting him to the tackle position based on those two things - such as Herm and Carl). Haley uses a zone blocking scheme that requires quicker, smarter, more agile linemen. It's why he wants his guys light and quick. The tackles need to be able to get into pulls quickly and get into the second level and have the ability to take on linebackers and backs when they are there.

However, as I've stated before, it also requires a quick thinking quarterback with some degree of mobility.

I know a shit ton of you people think that we can just have our pick of the free agent litter and get all of these high quality 338 lbs. smash mouth offensive linemen without drafting them, but I'm here to tell you that it's not going to work that way.

They actually pulled Richardson from a game because he was ****ing up so bad. That he showed some "fire" about it means zilch. The guy sucks. And Albert was consistently owned all season long. Whether you don't think that a team needs to spend a high draft pick on an offensive line player, the vast majority of teams actually do place an emphasis on getting quality guys at that position, particularly at the tackle spots.

We have a young and talented defense. A true nose tackle would be nice.

We need an offense to match. We've got some nice play makers (Charles, Bowe, Moeaki), but we need to build the line to get the most out of it, to give those guys the capability of making the plays that they are capable of making. (And I'm not going to bitch if the Chiefs pick up a quarterback in this draft either.)

Rams Fan 01-25-2011 05:20 PM

Saying this about the Rams pick, they won't take a CB. They need a DE or DL more than they need a CB. Bartell and Fletcher are 2 decent CBs and Murphy could be a solid player.

Bewbies 01-25-2011 06:24 PM

Am I watching the same team that Sac is? He seems to describe the o-line differently than I would...


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