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Nightfyre 01-31-2011 12:02 AM

If Ngata gets tagged....
 
Would he be worth the first and third in addition to the contract he demands? Methinks yes. I mean, who are you going to get in those picks that can have such a tremendous impact immediately?

*wait for inevitable cry of those who don't want to spend all that money on the d-line...*

BossChief 01-31-2011 12:10 AM

It would cost 2 firsts to trade for a franchise guy. If all it would take would be a first and third, teams would be lining up to make that deal. Baltimore has the option to take less, but I doubt they would.

Thig Lyfe 01-31-2011 12:20 AM

We could trade our first and third for Ngata and our OTHER first and third for Fitz!!!

|Zach| 01-31-2011 12:27 AM

LMAO

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-31-2011 12:40 AM

It does not take two firsts to trade for a franchise player. You can trade a franchise player for whatever the other team agrees to. We got Cassel and Vrabel for a 2nd.

RealSNR 01-31-2011 12:43 AM

I think the most important element of the internet is the global sharing of nearly every single shred of the world's recorded knowledge. Even in something like football discussions, it's not necessarily about the quality of all the arguments, but the fact that they're present and being addressed. The internet (and on a smaller scale Chiefsplanet) is a free market of idea exchange, where truly the best ideas that are the even the most unfamiliar will eventually rise to the top.

This is not one of those ideas.

BossChief 01-31-2011 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7395367)
It does not take two firsts to trade for a franchise player. You can trade a franchise player for whatever the other team agrees to. We got Cassel and Vrabel for a 2nd.

For the other team to be forced to give up the player, the trading team has to submit two first rounders unless the team that owns the rights of the player will take less.

The Patriots couldnt afford Matt Cassel at the franchise tag and were just getting what they could for him.

No way possible they take much less than the two firsts.

There are also two types of franchise tags...

There are two types of franchise tag designations: the exclusive rights franchise tag, and non-exclusive rights franchise tag:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_tag
* An "exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position as of a date in April of the current year in which the tag will apply, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. Exclusive franchise players cannot negotiate with other teams.
* A "non-exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position in the previous year, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if he signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.

The franchise tag would cost a little over 7 million...I would offer him a long haul contract with something like 7 years for 60 million and the guy would earn every penny...but only if the compensation was like a first and second absolute MAX

Chiefnj2 01-31-2011 09:40 AM

I would give a 1st and 3rd for Ngata. Not going to happen though.

I would give a 1st and 3rd for Fitz. Could happen, but unlikely.

I would give a 1st and 3rd to move up and grab Gabbert. Not going to happen.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-31-2011 10:05 AM

The franchise tag discussion is irrelevant anyway, BossChief. The CBA expiration puts its fate up in the air.

bowener 01-31-2011 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7395623)
The franchise tag discussion is irrelevant anyway, BossChief. The CBA expiration puts its fate up in the air.

Getting ready to say this. I thought I read somewhere recently that players want to remove the tag altogether. It does seem a little ****ed up from their stand point. You don't wish to play for team X anymore, so you let your contract expire in hopes you can go find work at a place you would prefer. Team X tags you and keeps you from going to where you would like (yes they get paid a heap of cash, but still, kind of ****ed up).

I think I would like to see it removed altogether. More big name players would be in play for all teams to go after, and it means teams will have to be better with their money, and maybe they won't throw it down the toilet on 1st overall picks like JaBustus Russell.

Urc Burry 01-31-2011 03:57 PM

Ngata would be worth 2 first rounders...but he won't get away from Baltimore

BossChief 01-31-2011 07:34 PM

If they did away with the franchise tag altogether, it would be a mistake IMO.

Fat Elvis 01-31-2011 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 7395368)
I think the most important element of the internet is the global sharing of nearly every single shred of the world's recorded knowledge. Even in something like football discussions, it's not necessarily about the quality of all the arguments, but the fact that they're present and being addressed. The internet (and on a smaller scale Chiefsplanet) is a free market of idea exchange, where truly the best ideas that are the even the most unfamiliar will eventually rise to the top.
This is not one of those ideas.

Someone is unfamiliar with Google.

Nightfyre 01-31-2011 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 7395368)
I think the most important element of the internet is the global sharing of nearly every single shred of the world's recorded knowledge. Even in something like football discussions, it's not necessarily about the quality of all the arguments, but the fact that they're present and being addressed. The internet (and on a smaller scale Chiefsplanet) is a free market of idea exchange, where truly the best ideas that are the even the most unfamiliar will eventually rise to the top.

This is not one of those ideas.

ROFL

Point well taken. It just intrigued me a little. I was curious what the CP populous might think. Additionally, I stand corrected with respect to the franchise tag.

As I think about it more, we would be lucky to get five good years of productivity from Ngata. Two first round picks could collectively provide substantially more value than that. On the other hand, our defense would be unstoppable with Ngata for a few years. Hehe.

Urc Burry 01-31-2011 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 7396846)
ROFL

Point well taken. It just intrigued me a little. I was curious what the CP populous might think. Additionally, I stand corrected with respect to the franchise tag.

As I think about it more, we would be lucky to get five good years of productivity from Ngata. Two first round picks could collectively provide substantially more value than that. On the other hand, our defense would be unstoppable with Ngata for a few years. Hehe.

I would trade two firsts for him without a doubt...He is literally unblockable and can play anywhere on the line...Plus it would be (hopefully) two first rounders in the 20's and we have a hard enough time picking someone who isn't going to bust in the top 5

ForeverChiefs58 01-31-2011 10:01 PM

Report: Haloti Ngata to get franchise tag
Posted by Evan Silva on January 31, 2011, 7:29 PM EST
NFL.com’s Jason La Canfora reports that the Ravens “are expected” to use their franchise tag on impending free agent defensive tackle Haloti Ngata after Super Bowl XLV.

It’s the Ravens’ best option. While G.M. Ozzie Newsome intends to lock up Ngata long term, no movement in that regard will occur until a new collective bargaining agreement is finalized. This will be the case for many free agents around the NFL, so usage of the franchise tag may be especially popular this offseason.

La Canfora adds that the Ravens plan to meet with another impending free agent, offensive tackle Jared Gaither, about a potential contract on Wednesday.

Gaither didn’t play a single down in 2010 due to a thoracic disk injury in his back. His absence was considered to be one of the main reasons for Baltimore’s run-blocking struggles.

After averaging 4.70 yards per rushing attempt in 2009, the Ravens’ team average plummeted to 3.76 this season.

Chiefs Rool 01-31-2011 10:25 PM

I have no idea what his personality is like, but it feels like another Haynesworth...or when any other DT not named Warren Sapp or John Randle gets paid huge money and gets lazy.

morphius 02-02-2011 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowener (Post 7396237)
Getting ready to say this. I thought I read somewhere recently that players want to remove the tag altogether. It does seem a little ****ed up from their stand point. You don't wish to play for team X anymore, so you let your contract expire in hopes you can go find work at a place you would prefer. Team X tags you and keeps you from going to where you would like (yes they get paid a heap of cash, but still, kind of ****ed up).

I think I would like to see it removed altogether. More big name players would be in play for all teams to go after, and it means teams will have to be better with their money, and maybe they won't throw it down the toilet on 1st overall picks like JaBustus Russell.

I actually like the tag as it helps keep forming teams from being ripped apart. I'd be happy with the ability to match other teams offers, but there are too many teams pulling poisoned pills for that to work.

milkman 02-02-2011 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefs Rool (Post 7397025)
I have no idea what his personality is like, but it feels like another Haynesworth...or when any other DT not named Warren Sapp or John Randle gets paid huge money and gets lazy.

Ngata isn't in any way comparable to Haynesworth.

The guy has come to work since the day he was drafted.

This isn't a contract year star.

DaneMcCloud 02-02-2011 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7401897)
Ngata isn't in any way comparable to Haynesworth.

The guy has come to work since the day he was drafted.

This isn't a contract year star.

People say more dumb, uninformed shit at this time of the year than any other.

:shake:

Ngata would transform this defense overnight.

Urc Burry 02-03-2011 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 7401979)
People say more dumb, uninformed shit at this time of the year than any other.

:shake:

Ngata would transform this defense overnight.

Exactly...if it were even possible I would trade two first for him in a heartbeat

The Franchise 02-03-2011 11:12 AM

Anyway they'd accept a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year?

DaneMcCloud 02-03-2011 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 7403109)
Anyway they'd accept a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year?

I seriously doubt that Ozzy Newsome would let Ngata go elsewhere, unless the compensation was massive.

The Franchise 02-03-2011 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 7403121)
I seriously doubt that Ozzy Newsome would let Ngata go elsewhere, unless the compensation was massive.

Yeah.....understandable. ****.

BossChief 02-03-2011 07:34 PM

I'd give similar compensation to what we got for Allen right now.

Even though he has played LDE in Baltimore, he would make our DL dominant and would make our linebackers look much better from the nose.

I would go as high as a first and second MAX...at that point I'm a buyer.

HighChief 02-04-2011 12:34 AM

Is there anyone here who thinks that there is a inkling of a chance this guy is going to leave?

DREAM ON

DaneMcCloud 02-04-2011 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HighChief (Post 7405297)
Is there anyone here who thinks that there is a inkling of a chance this guy is going to leave?

DREAM ON

Thanks, Steven

Quesadilla Joe 02-04-2011 10:08 AM

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When it comes to Haloti Ngata talks, the Ravens don't want to offend him with a low-ball offer. He's expected to be their franchise player.
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https://twitter.com/RavensInsider/st...47455538659328

JimBaker488 02-13-2011 11:38 AM

Get's my vote as the best player coming out of that famous 2006 NFL Draft.


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