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the Talking Can 02-10-2011 01:43 PM

Abandoned on Everest
 
http://godheadv.blogspot.com/2010/04...n-everest.html

Fascinating blog post on what goes on in Everest's "dead zone" along with some unbelievable pictures.

NSFW warning...not because they're all graphic, but there are pictures of dead, frozen bodies.

You have to be crazy...

Quote:

This morning, however, Green Boots had company. Sitting no more than two feet to the left of the corpse was a man who at first glance appeared to be dead. His gloved hands were on his knees, his hood and hat cast his face in shadow. The only feature visible was the man's severely frostbitten nose, already a greenish black hue. On closer inspection, the vapor from the man's breath could be seen rising.

What happened next entered the folklore of the highest mountain on earth. Every man interviewed gives a different story. What is certain is that every single one of the 40-odd climbers attempting the summit that day left the man in the cave, whose name was David Sharp, to freeze, either by choice, by ignorance, or by misjudging him as a corpse they already expected to see in that infamous cave....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...g_everest2.jpg

DaFace 02-10-2011 01:45 PM

Yep. Everest is a mean, mean place. You have to be insane to even think of trying to summit it.

Hammock Parties 02-10-2011 01:46 PM

Jesus.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...weathers01.jpg

Donger 02-10-2011 01:46 PM

You'd think that someone would put some funny signs on the corpses, or something.

Donger 02-10-2011 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClayWhit (Post 7422035)

"Sorry, we already cast Two-Face."

DMAC 02-10-2011 01:47 PM

We should get a CP team going to scale it.

Let's meet in Springfield.

Sofa King 02-10-2011 01:47 PM

Maybe he was just a charger fan who is expecting a super bowl win.

the Talking Can 02-10-2011 01:48 PM

What I had never thought of, is that most of the dead people are still there....so you are walking through a graveyard, literally, on your way up. Some of those bodies just give me the heebiees...

Monty 02-10-2011 01:48 PM

That's going to leave a mark /cymbal crash

mlyonsd 02-10-2011 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMAC (Post 7422039)
We should get a CP team going to scale it.

Let's meet in Springfield.

I'm in. I'll carry the beer.

Rain Man 02-10-2011 01:53 PM

I'll wait till there's a tram.

Pushead2 02-10-2011 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMAC (Post 7422039)
We should get a CP team going to scale it.

Let's meet in Springfield.

I'm in....

notorious 02-10-2011 02:01 PM

I love to read about this stuff.


Rep.



Everest is bad, but K2 and a few others are much worse when it comes to death and injury.

Jenson71 02-10-2011 02:02 PM

"For years, any climber attempting the southern route could see her body, sitting, leaning against her backpack with her eyes open and brown hair blowing in the wind. Despite being so exposed and so visible along the well-trodden climbing route, rescue operations are virtually suicidal in the Death Zone. A Nepalese police inspector and a Sherpa who tried to recover Hannelore's body in 1984 both fell to their deaths."

This blog is quite a find.

notorious 02-10-2011 02:11 PM

What happened to the skin on some of the bodies? There really isn't anything to eat or dispose of the material. Did it just dry up and blow away?

Reerun_KC 02-10-2011 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 7422124)
What happened to the skin on some of the bodies? There really isn't anything to eat or dispose of the material. Did it just dry up and blow away?

Did I tell you I might be getting PIC type in the 400?

HonestChieffan 02-10-2011 02:19 PM

I know a lady whos Husband died on the way down after he summitted...amazing stories

Donger 02-10-2011 02:20 PM

Wow. This is one is apparently George Leigh Mallory. He's the one who answered "Because it's there" in response to the "Why do you climb mountains?" question. He died on Everest in 1924...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...-everest-2.jpg

Reerun_KC 02-10-2011 02:23 PM

That is just pure craziness!

Donger 02-10-2011 02:24 PM

Boy, this is cold...

In 2007, Ian Woodall, a British climber, returned to Everest to bury the bodies of three climbers he passed on his way to the summit. One of the climbers, a woman named Francys Arsentiev, was still alive when Woodall reached her during his initial ascent. Her first words to him were "don't leave me behind." The grim reality, though, is that Woodall could not have done anything for her without jeopardizing his own life or the lives of his team members. He was forced to leave her to perish alone.

-King- 02-10-2011 02:28 PM

So this guy was trying to jerk off huh? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...t-corpse-1.jpg

Donger 02-10-2011 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 7422202)
So this guy was trying to jerk off huh? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...t-corpse-1.jpg

LMAO

"I can finish! I can finish! I can fin...."

Jenson71 02-10-2011 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7422186)
Boy, this is cold...

In 2007, Ian Woodall, a British climber, returned to Everest to bury the bodies of three climbers he passed on his way to the summit. One of the climbers, a woman named Francys Arsentiev, was still alive when Woodall reached her during his initial ascent. Her first words to him were "don't leave me behind." The grim reality, though, is that Woodall could not have done anything for her without jeopardizing his own life or the lives of his team members. He was forced to leave her to perish alone.

Do you think he should have hit her over the head with a pick or something like that?

Silock 02-10-2011 02:30 PM

If you enjoyed this story, watch:

Touching the Void

and Everest: Beyond the Limit (Seasons 1 and 2)

Great mountaineering/Everest documentaries.

Donger 02-10-2011 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jenson71 (Post 7422210)
Do you think he should have hit her over the head with a pick or something like that?

I don't know. I've never been in that situation, but I'm pretty sure that I would have to try to get her down.

the Talking Can 02-10-2011 02:33 PM

freezing to death is my worst way to imagine dying....i can barely even read descriptions of it....

Stewie 02-10-2011 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7422166)
Wow. This is one is apparently George Leigh Mallory. He's the one who answered "Because it's there" in response to the "Why do you climb mountains?" question. He died on Everest in 1924...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...-everest-2.jpg

Yep, that is Mallory. There's a great hour-long documentary on the guys that specifically went looking for Mallory and Irvine. They knew the point that they were last seen and scoured the mountain and found Mallory by chance. They weren't sure it was him until they found a clothing tag with "Mallory" written on it.

They couldn't determine by any of the evidence if Mallory had actually made the summit. Some think he did, others think not.

loochy 02-10-2011 02:34 PM

That was a very interesting read. Thanks for posting. :thumb:

Donger 02-10-2011 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7422223)
freezing to death is my worst way to imagine dying....i can't barely even read descriptions of it....

I've read that it's actually quite a decent way to go.

notorious 02-10-2011 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 7422202)
So this guy was trying to jerk off huh? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...t-corpse-1.jpg

When you gotta FAP, you gotta FAP........

the Talking Can 02-10-2011 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7422218)
I don't know. I've never been in that situation, but I'm pretty sure that I would have to try to get her down.


read the comments to the post....a long argument on that very point...

notorious 02-10-2011 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silock (Post 7422212)
If you enjoyed this story, watch:

Touching the Void

and Everest: Beyond the Limit (Seasons 1 and 2)

Great mountaineering/Everest documentaries.

Everest Beyond the Limit is pretty good.


I don't like the guy from Cali. He is an egotistical douchewad.

the Talking Can 02-10-2011 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 7422202)
So this guy was trying to jerk off huh? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...t-corpse-1.jpg

dude is wearing socks


did someone steal his boots?

Rain Man 02-10-2011 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7422245)
dude is wearing socks


did someone steal his boots?


I bet that's why he died. He probably forgot to bring boots.

DMAC 02-10-2011 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7422245)
dude is wearing socks


did someone steal his boots?

There is some good gear on those mannequins.

Ebay....

the Talking Can 02-10-2011 02:38 PM

this note is from the comments:

Quote:

Juan ‘Juanito’ Oiarzabal holds the world record in 8000ers summits (21 in total) and has experienced many rescues on very high altitude. He told ExplorersWeb about Everest, “That mountain turned into a circus years ago, and it's getting worse – I don’t have the slightest interest in going back there, ever. Moreover, I actually try to avoid reading on what’s going on there – I simply don’t care anymore.” And about David Sharp, “It’s a classic [on Everest] - someone is in trouble, and people pass by, not even taking a quick look at him.”

JBucc 02-10-2011 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7422186)
Boy, this is cold...

In 2007, Ian Woodall, a British climber, returned to Everest to bury the bodies of three climbers he passed on his way to the summit. One of the climbers, a woman named Francys Arsentiev, was still alive when Woodall reached her during his initial ascent. Her first words to him were "don't leave me behind." The grim reality, though, is that Woodall could not have done anything for her without jeopardizing his own life or the lives of his team members. He was forced to leave her to perish alone.

Well he did try to help her:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wikipedia article on Francys Arsentiev
On the morning of the 24th, two South African climbers, Ian Woodall and Cathy O'Dowd, and several more Uzbeks encountered Francys while on their way to the summit. She was found where she had been left the evening before. Sergei's ice axe and rope were identified nearby, but he was nowhere to be found. The South Africans called off their own attempt to reach the summit and tried to help her for more than an hour, but because of her poor condition, the perilous location and freezing weather, they were forced to abandon her and descend to camp.[3] She expired as they found her, lying on her side, still clipped onto the guide rope.


Jenson71 02-10-2011 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 7422249)
I bet that's why he died. He probably forgot to bring boots.

True story: I went to the Boundary Waters for a week, and I left my second pair of shoes in the car, so I went an entire week without getting my feet wet. That's never been done before in the Boundary Waters.

Silock 02-10-2011 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7422223)
freezing to death is my worst way to imagine dying....i can barely even read descriptions of it....

Those people aren't freezing to death so much as they are dying from a lack of oxygen.

Silock 02-10-2011 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 7422240)
Everest Beyond the Limit is pretty good.


I don't like the guy from Cali. He is an egotistical douchewad.

Come on . . . Dane's a nice guy! ;)

MIAdragon 02-10-2011 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7422218)
I don't know. I've never been in that situation, but I'm pretty sure that I would have to try to get her down.

Why cause more death trying to delay the inevitable. It sucks but what can you do.

MIAdragon 02-10-2011 02:41 PM

Id LOVE to attempt Everest.

the Talking Can 02-10-2011 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silock (Post 7422257)
Those people aren't freezing to death so much as they are dying from a lack of oxygen.

that's true


it's the idea of losing sensation in your limbs that creeps me out

notorious 02-10-2011 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silock (Post 7422257)
Those people aren't freezing to death so much as they are dying from a lack of oxygen.

Imagine getting light headed and euphoric, then passing out.


Dead




There are much worse ways to go.

Donger 02-10-2011 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 7422262)
Why cause more death trying to delay the inevitable. It sucks but what can you do.

Like I said, try to get her down.

siberian khatru 02-10-2011 02:46 PM

A river, a mountain to be crossed
The sunshine in mountains sometimes lost
Around the south side, so cold that we cried
Were we ever colder on that day, a million miles away
It seemed from all eternity

"Move forward" was my friend's only cry
In deeper to somewhere we could lie
And rest for the the day with cold in the way
Were we ever colder on that day a million miles away
It seemed from all eternity

The moments seemed lost in all the noise
A snow storm a stimulating voice
Of warmth of the sky of warmth when you die
Were we ever warmer on that day a million miles away
We seemed from all eternity

The sunshine in mountains sometimes lost
The river can disregard the cost
And melt in the sky the warmth when you die
Were we ever warmer on that day a million miles away
We seemed from all of eternity

Silock 02-10-2011 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7422274)
Like I said, try to get her down.

That's FAR easier said than done. In several technical sections, there are ladders that must be scaled. How do you do that with someone that's unconscious, while everyone there is struggling with a lack of oxygen (and therefore, strength)? Not to mention it's not like there's a lot of room to maneuver, as most of the sections above 22,000 feet are single-file.

Sofa King 02-10-2011 02:50 PM

Those pictures are creepy. i couldnt imagine having places on mountains named after the dead people that are still sitting there, in plain view.

Donger 02-10-2011 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silock (Post 7422293)
That's FAR easier said than done. In several technical sections, there are ladders that must be scaled. How do you do that with someone that's unconscious, while everyone there is struggling with a lack of oxygen (and therefore, strength)? Not to mention it's not like there's a lot of room to maneuver, as most of the sections above 22,000 feet are single-file.

They should make an emergency kit that has something like what the Mars Pathfinder had. Insert freezing person, inflate bag and push down mountain.

Reerun_KC 02-10-2011 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7422313)
They should make an emergency kit that has something like what the Mars Pathfinder had. Insert freezing person, inflate bag and push down mountain.

I bet you could sell tickets on that ride...:thumb:

Fish 02-10-2011 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7422313)
They should make an emergency kit that has something like what the Mars Pathfinder had. Insert freezing person, inflate bag and push down mountain.

LMAO..... brilliant... a self-inflating emergency Zorb. If you don't make it, you get an exciting ride 10,000 feet down the side of the mountain...

Better odds than sitting there freezing...

Donger 02-10-2011 02:58 PM

I don't understand the music, but check out 2:30 in to see what I'm referring to:

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/6ajsXzTFLYA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Skyy God 02-10-2011 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7422313)
They should make an emergency kit that has something like what the Mars Pathfinder had. Insert freezing person, inflate bag and push down mountain.

I'm sure that would be totally feasible to carry at 27K feet....

Hydrae 02-10-2011 03:04 PM

Interesting article. The comments were almost as interesting. Great post, thanks!

mlyonsd 02-10-2011 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silock (Post 7422293)
That's FAR easier said than done. In several technical sections, there are ladders that must be scaled. How do you do that with someone that's unconscious, while everyone there is struggling with a lack of oxygen (and therefore, strength)? Not to mention it's not like there's a lot of room to maneuver, as most of the sections above 22,000 feet are single-file.

Someone should take a saw and leave it there. Everyone that passes a corpse should hack off a piece and bring it down with them.

Silock 02-10-2011 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7422313)
They should make an emergency kit that has something like what the Mars Pathfinder had. Insert freezing person, inflate bag and push down mountain.

LOL

That would be a hell of a ride. It would be like a 20 mile ride, because you wouldn't stop until you got ALL the way down.

In all seriousness, though, I hate how all these "reports" on Everest make it seem like people are just walking by on a leisurely hike, watching other people die. IT's not like that. It's hard, serious shit. If rescuing someone were that easy, people would do it all the time. Most rescue attempts are abandoned, and it's not because people don't care about the dying. It's because it's just too hard. There are too many inexperienced climbers and expedition leaders up there on Everest.

I'd love to scale Everest one day. I won't, though, because in addition to having zero climbing experience, even if you do everything perfectly right, you can STILL DIE.

Rain Man 02-10-2011 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 7422267)
Id LOVE to attempt Everest.

I have zero interest in doing something like that. Zero. It doesn't sound fun at all, there's a chance you could die just because of bad luck, and it's become enough of a cliche that telling people you climbed Mt. Everest would probably garner no more than a shrug and a "that's cool" comment.

Rain Man 02-10-2011 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7422345)
I don't understand the music, but check out 2:30 in to see what I'm referring to:

On a slightly different note, Mt. Everest is now a cliche, but imagine being at a party and telling people that you climbed a 50,000 foot mountain. ON MARS! That would buy serious credibility.

Over-Head 02-10-2011 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 7422537)
I have zero interest in doing something like that. Zero. It doesn't sound fun at all, there's a chance you could die just because of bad luck, .

That and jumping out of a perfectly good working airplane hoping a piece of silk is gonna save my ass from going THUMP!!

Over-Head 02-10-2011 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silock (Post 7422508)
LOL

That would be a hell of a ride. It would be like a 20 mile ride, because you wouldn't stop until you got ALL the way down.

.

:bong: need a test run volunteer :bong:

Donger 02-10-2011 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 7422554)
On a slightly different note, Mt. Everest is now a cliche, but imagine being at a party and telling people that you climbed a 50,000 foot mountain. ON MARS! That would buy serious credibility.

"I summited Olympus Mons, and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.


and some really cool alien fossils."

-King- 02-10-2011 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7422218)
I don't know. I've never been in that situation, but I'm pretty sure that I would have to try to get her down.

I've watched some documentaries on climbing everest, and that wouldn't be a good idea. Like Silock said, there are parts where you have to climb ladders and shit like that. Try doing that with someone near death attached to you. It would be impossible.

notorious 02-10-2011 04:47 PM

A person near death will likely take you with them in just about any situation.

Hydrae 02-10-2011 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Over-Head (Post 7422559)
That and jumping out of a perfectly good working airplane hoping a piece of silk is gonna save my ass from going THUMP!!

Now that was fun!

Climbing a mountain where there is not enough oxygen to sustain life, not so much.

Baby Lee 02-10-2011 05:01 PM

Krakauer 'Into Thin Air' 1997 harrowing shit. So visceral that the actual images pale in comparison.

bowener 02-10-2011 05:06 PM

Something I have learned from reading this thread and some stuff from the link provided:

Bring a ****ing gun.

I'm not freezing to death, and if no one is going to help me, **** it, I'm out *bang*.

Also, I suppose, you could be merciful and shoot other people in the head that are near death and have no hope as well.

Over-Head 02-10-2011 05:54 PM

I'll take the helicopoter ride up for my $10,000 :D

Pants 02-10-2011 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowener (Post 7422718)
Something I have learned from reading this thread and some stuff from the link provided:

Bring a ****ing gun.

I'm not freezing to death, and if no one is going to help me, **** it, I'm out *bang*.

Also, I suppose, you could be merciful and shoot other people in the head that are near death and have no hope as well.

Freezing to death is one of the better ways to go. Eff shooting myself in the face, I'd rather die in a delirious euphoria.

Bwana 02-10-2011 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Over-Head (Post 7422559)
That and jumping out of a perfectly good working airplane hoping a piece of silk is gonna save my ass from going THUMP!!

Come on now! I'm going do some more jumps down in San Pedro next week. I'm trying to talk my wife into it as well, but she's having none of it.

Over-Head 02-10-2011 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 7422913)
Come on now! I'm going do some more jumps down in San Pedro next week. I'm trying to talk my wife into it as well, but she's having none of it.

Yeah but I stutter when i'm excited,,,my luck i'd nail the ground going ....f f f f fourrr

Bwana 02-10-2011 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Over-Head (Post 7422921)
Yeah but I stutter when i'm excited,,,my luck i'd nail the ground going ....f f f f fourrr

Heh, it's not the long fall that will kill you. It's the sudden stop. :evil:

TIED5573 02-10-2011 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silock (Post 7422212)
If you enjoyed this story, watch:

Touching the Void

and Everest: Beyond the Limit (Seasons 1 and 2)

Great mountaineering/Everest documentaries.

"Touching the Void" is one of my favorite movies. If you think you have had a bad day, just watch that movie and realize it could be worse. Rep.

Over-Head 02-10-2011 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 7422952)
Heh, it's not the long fall that will kill you. It's the sudden stop. :evil:

Oh gee...I feel all better :spock:

Fritz88 02-10-2011 07:10 PM

Now climbing it is much easier than before. With mini camps set at several heights. Oxygen tanks in abundance. The ones who did it in the past are the ones with real balls.

Miles 02-10-2011 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 7422704)
Krakauer 'Into Thin Air' 1997 harrowing shit. So visceral that the actual images pale in comparison.

Highly recommend that one as well.

Silock 02-10-2011 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Over-Head (Post 7422889)
I'll take the helicopoter ride up for my $10,000 :D

Not sure if you'rer being serious, but the air is too thin for helicopters to fly up there. Otherwise, you'd have helicopter rescues of climbers.

jAZ 02-11-2011 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silock (Post 7423446)
Not sure if you'rer being serious, but the air is too thin for helicopters to fly up there. Otherwise, you'd have helicopter rescues of climbers.

Didn't know that. Makes sense though.

Miles 02-11-2011 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silock (Post 7423446)
Not sure if you'rer being serious, but the air is too thin for helicopters to fly up there. Otherwise, you'd have helicopter rescues of climbers.


I heard something about one landing/hovering there a while back and checked it out on google and it looks legit enough from 5 years ago. The highest rescue apparently is around 23k on another Himalayan mountain which is hardly close to the summit.

Silock 02-11-2011 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miles (Post 7423564)
I heard something about one landing/hovering there a while back and checked it out on google and it looks legit enough from 5 years ago. The highest rescue apparently is around 23k on another Himalayan mountain which is hardly close to the summit.

Yeah, that's still quite a gap to the summit of Everest.

I suppose once more copters have the same power, we'll see less people dying up there.

Bugeater 02-11-2011 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silock (Post 7423574)
Yeah, that's still quite a gap to the summit of Everest.

I suppose once more copters have the same power, we'll see less people dying up there.

Or maybe when morons stop going up there, we'll see less people dying up there.


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