Jovan Belcher, a gem found in the rough ?
 

http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/nfl/kc/?r=1

ESPN.com's Bill Williamson and Scouts Inc.'s Matt Williamson believe the Chiefs have found a "gem" in ILB Jovan Belcher.

Belcher was primarily a special teamer as an undrafted rookie in 2009. He graduated to full-time starter in 2010, racking up 84 tackles. "He's a heavier guy who is a good banger in the 3-4 defense," Matt Williamson said. "He seems like a hard-nosed guy who has made the best of opportunity." Expect Belcher to remain in the same role next season.

I'm one of the few people who isn't pressing to have him replaced in 2011. I'd really like to see what he turns into, and the only way for that to happen is if he's on the field.

Ima join you. I dont think ILB is a priority. Get those boys a NT and then see what they can do.

I'd say he had a pretty solid season

I'll say that I was impressed with him this year

Bold=agree.

He's decent at bringing a load in the middle.


With that said, a good open field tackler he is not.

Paul Soliali sounds pretty good to me right now, can you say the next Dan Saleaumua. Oh we could only hope.

If the Chiefs can find a replacement for Belcher in the draft or free agency, he'll be replaced.

He's not the "Thumper" that Crennel envisions for his defense.

What are you basing this on?

That dumbass facemask penalty at the end of the raiders game still stands out in my memory, that was the turning point of that entire game.

They say he's heavy, but wasn't his listed weight last year 228 pounds? I remember being surprised when someone around here mentioned it, because I assumed he was larger.

He's very light for the "Thumper" role. They really need someone closer to 250 and that role will be easier to fill than finding the next Ngata.

He should only get better, so I am happy to have him.

He's okay but I hope the Chief's at least find someone to replace Williams and Mays.

Unless I'm missing something, those 2 didn't play except the occasional random play & on special teams....

Belcher is 250. I know this from the horses mouth.

The rest of your shit is baseless.

Mays played in goal line situations because he's better against the run than Belcher.

If Belcher could put on 25 pounds of muscle mass, learn the game (i.e. become more instinctive) and rotate his hips more quickly, he could be a long term solution. But until he can do that, I view him as a stop gap.

Better than a horses ass I supposed.

I actually love having Belcher on the team. He was solid his rookie year. Last year he got even better. His next season he should only improve even more.

Exactly. This was just his second year in the league, first year as a starter and he was very solid. He should only get better.

These linebackers are gonna take another step if we add a true nose guard.

All of them.

Sort of. All of them but at LOLB. I like Stude as depth, but I think he's proven that he's not close to starter material.

The official roster has shown him at 228, and still does. I agree, though, that he looks bigger than that. In football terms, he has a solid base.

I disagree, but time will tell.

Hopefully Sheffield returns and makes a contribution as well.

This team is better if Belcher is your top backup instead of starter.

228 is what the Chiefs have him listed as.

Don't care. Jovan told me himself he walked into camp at 252. Roster weight's and shit don't change for years at a times sometimes.

After his second season?

Really. You're that smart?

Heaven forbid I want to upgrade one of our weak links on our defense.

I don't know what the hell Williamson is smoking. You'd think that a guy whose job was to cover the AFC West would know that Belcher is undersized as a Ted linebacker.

I don't think they played that bad, considering how our Nose Tackle, who's supposed to occupy 2-3 blockers, was barely occupying one.

You get a Nose Guard to take hats off of Belcher and DJ, and they both have potential to be solid 3-4 ILBs. Yeah, we could upgrade and you don't want to pass up on a surefire stud, but if you walked into next season with a new Nose Tackle and an OLB who can actually contain the edge and put some pressure on the QB, our ILBs will be just fine.

That's something I was curious about too. While I try not to believe the "he said, she said" crap, the only reason I might believe him is he sure as hell doesn't play like 228.

He's listed at 228 on the Chiefs site, the NFL site, and he was listed at 230 at Maine.

I would be fine going into next season with Belcher if we got a new NT and OLB, but he is 3rd on the list as players that need an upgrade on defense.

As I noted, Jovan told me himself he showed up at camp at 252. He did fine at the point and taking on fullbacks. He'll only be in his third year next season.

Who made the scientific observation that he was a weak link? You??? WTF do you know about linebacker play?

Nothing.

:facepalm:

REading is ****ing fundamental.

Yeah, it is. It's also pretty damned obvious I think you're full of shit, so **** off.

Obviously more than you if you think he wasn't.

You can think whatever the **** you want. But I talk to Jovan pretty frequently. I don't give two shits if you believe that or not. He went into camp last year at 242 and by the time the season was over was back at 230. I don't know what his ending weight for this season was, but he went into camp at 252. When he gets back from New York I'll ask him about it.

So go eat a bag of dicks you fake football knowledge bitch.

so he obviously wasn't playing at 250, and 230 is his natural weight


thanks fake football guy.....for making every thread you post in smell like fart

Yeah, that's fair to say, but it becomes a really distant 3rd on the defensive side. It still falls behind NT, OLB, WR, C, RT, and QB on the priority list, IMO. But you're right, while I'm comfortable with Belcher starting, there's nothing wrong with bringing in a new guy and starting him if he outperforms Belcher. Or bringing in a guy that's good, but can't beat out Belcher for a starting job even. We need depth at ILB for sure.

Pretty much every guy loses weight throughout the season you ****ing idiot. The fact that you never played a god damn down is the reason you don't know this.

So if a guy walks into camp at 250 he might have played most of the season at 235-240. No one plays the season at the same weight throughout.

****ing idiot, you need bitch slapped.

This is the same reason why no one considers Casey Wiegmann 290 pounds, dumb shit.

I never said he was, so who the **** are you calling dumb hit, dumbshit?

You're the ****tard that said we need a guy that is 25 pounds bigger than Jovan. So we need a 275 pound inside backer?

Jovan played fine for a second year guy getting his first year to start. I don't need to hear you dumb bitches talk about linebacker play when you don't know shit about it.

The issue is that people are using his weight to suggest that he's undersized.

The reason I actually believe Guardian on this is that there's no way he takes on Fullbacks the way he did if he's only 228. There's no reason to believe that his listed weight is his actual playing weight. He's strong at the point of attack. He's got areas of his game to work on, but size/strength haven't appeared to be one of them.

So TheGuardian is to Belcher like KCJohnny is to Gunther.

i haven't said anything about his weight, other than to point out that fake football guy was confused as all hell....

your camp weight means jack shit if you lose 30lbs during the season....

Yay. We have an intelligent response. I was thinking the same thing actually. But it's kinda funny watching them argue about Belcher's weight.

Weight doesn't mean jack shit when you're taking on fullbacks if you get leverage.

I think we all agree. You have been fighting Dane's comments this whole time.

It's not uncommon for NFL players to lose a lot of weight. Nobody actually weighs an NFL player midseason, that I know of. Camp weight is important because that's when they do the majority of their heavy lifting and bulking up. As the season goes on, they do a lot less of it.

And he's not talking about a 30 lb. weight change. He's talking about a 12 lb. weight loss. Which seems reasonable to me.

He's saying that losing 10 lbs isn't a big deal if everyone else is losing 10 lbs. too. And I'd have to agree because, again, people here are suggesting that his true playing weight is 20 lbs. lighter than it needs to be. If that were the case, he'd be getting mauled at the point of attack. He's not. He's clearly big enough to play ILB meaning that his weight is probably around the range Guardian is suggesting.

Just jumping in here haven't read it all but why the hell would you lose 30lbs during the season? They practice and work out way less during the season than they do in camp. Chances are you would put on weight right?

The only way that would work is if you have to work your ass off to put on weight and I don't see that making a 30lb difference anyway. Maybe 10.

Yeah, but leverage comes from strength, particularly lower body strength. Guys with strong legs to have that kind of leverage have legs that weigh a lot.

That's only partially right. Leverage also comes from being able to get under somebody's pads.

Get under their pads and jack them up into the opponents neck and you will win every time.

Which also means height plays a roll. Why Rudy sucks as a center.

Our new offensive head golf coach coordinator is ****ed.

I knew He and Larry Johnson were related. Explains a lot of things.

jesus **** people read the thread


that's what fake football guy said...

for some reason the quote function isn't working on your post

"Read the thread? I just went back and read the posts and nowhere does it say he lost 30lbs like you suggested."


anyways, i flipped the 2 years he mentioned...he started 242 one year, finshed at 230 (his real weight)...started at 252 last year (the number i was looking at)


the point stands....his listed weight everywhere is around 230...he's admitted finishing seasons at 230....bulking up to come into camp at 240-250 doesn't mean anything...you're losing it immediately and playing the season closer to your ACTUAL weight...230...

jesus, i like the kid...but he isn't playing at 250...by his own damn admission...

This is a really stupid discussion at this point. It doesn't matter how much he weighs. He's a helluva good young player.

I went back and found what you were referring too.

I think he is alright too not bashing him.

Guardian says he lost 12lbs his first year, not unheard of. Went in heavier this year so his point is he should have been around 240 end of the season.

You can't lose 30lbs during the season unless you were roiding or something in the off season or caught a disease.

Regardless I think going into year 3 he looks ok. We seem to give up on players too soon. Especially LB's.

He doesn't have to be a star just a good player.

Yes.

Bulking up does mean something if he came into 2010 training camp 10 lbs. heavier in bulk than the weight he put on in 2009. As long as it was bulk, and not a ton of fat.

LMAO

First off, everyone has him listed at 228. There's NO ****ING WAY you're going to convince me that guy played at 250 this past season. You can tell just by looking at the pictures.

Secondly, Crennel prefers a 250 pound, stout "Thumper" like Teddy Bruschi (who was 6'1 and played at 248-252), a guy that can take on blockers and running backs while shedding blocks from guards. Not a 6'2, 228 pound guy who isn't particularly good at either.

You need to lay off the pipe if you think the Chiefs would pass on an opportunity to upgrade that position.

Yeah, and Roethlisberger weighs 241.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...009&genpos=OLB

According to this site he was 243 at Maine.

Look at how thin his frame is in that picture.

Now compare him to Sean Weatherspoon, who is listed at 240:

Does Belcher look 10 lbs bigger than him?

http://media.scout.com/media/image/65/651326.jpg

Every single site also says Branden Albert is 316 and Tamba Hali is 275. We all know those aren't remotely true. Again, don't know his true weight. But it's totally ridiculous to think he's 228 because the web says he is. Most sites irregularly update weight information.

And come on. We're seriously using a wikipedia picture to prove that he's 228?
1) Look at Derrick Johnson. He's 242 lbs (and only one inch taller). Does anyone actually believe that DJ is 14 lbs. heavier than Belcher?
2) Look at the picture of Belcher at Maine. Look at the picture of Belcher with KC. Umm... yeah, Belcher is most definitely bigger now.

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/entry_photo...6885_large.jpg

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http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images...jpg?1294192872

http://photos.upi.com/slideshow/lbox...s-Seahawks.jpg

Dude, DJ is significantly broader.

I love a good story where an undrafted player comes in and makes in the NFL. I hope that a 230 lb or 255 lb, Jovan Belcher is a great linebacker for the Chiefs in the years to come.

Positives – He is only 23 years old and has already had 2 seasons in the NFL with 47 tackles in 2009 and 84 tackles last season.

That being said, the Chiefs should always look to get better in the NFL. If they can draft a good young player that pushes Jovan Belcher to special teams, then bring him on.

If you think he's 228, then you're telling me that he's not bigger than his playing days at Maine. He's significantly bigger. Significantly. Especially in the legs. He had chicken legs at Maine

http://www.kcchiefsblog.com/wp-conte...4/belcher1.jpg

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Ok, what's the 'Fake Football Guy' reference? I see a Fake MMA sig too?? LMAO

Casey mathews to replace vrable ....... FTW

Maybe.

But with guys like AJ Hawk and/or Nick Barnett (among others) that will be available this offseason, I think the Chiefs can do better.

Screw that free agency is null and void until the new CBA gets signed..... Which doesn't look very possible . Until then draft draft draft!!!

I'd rather spend money on positions of greater need.

Belcher was a significantly improved player in '10.

There's no reason to believe that he won't continue to improve, and a NT added to the front will help him and DJ.

Niether is DJ, but he ain't goin nowhere.