Haley going to run conservative Offense
 

Matt Cassel - QB - Chiefs

Chiefs HC Todd Haley wants to run "a meat and potatoes offense" in 2011.
That's good news for Jamaal Charles' fantasy stock, and bad news for Matt Cassel's. Former OC Charlie Weis reportedly left because he wanted "to use a lot of shotgun and spread formations while jazzing up the offense," while Haley wanted to remain conservative. After it became public that Weis was leaving last season, Cassel posted a 0:5 TD-to-INT ratio in two games.
Related: Jamaal Charles
Source: National Football Post
Feb 13, 9:48:00 AM

yay Herm ball..fml

Not Good !

His version of conservative and Herms are light years apart.

Weis's offense lead to Cassel's best year. The meat and potatoes approach led to a shit offense in 2009. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

I really find this difficult to believe, since Haley ran a lot of spread in Arizona, and Weis made his money as the Patriot OC by sticking to the run game even when they had marginal success.

The only thing that might lend this credibility is if that Haley believes that Cassel is the weak link and he believes that limiting Cassel and running the ball gives him the best chance to succeed.

That is definitely not what Haley ran in Arizona. At all.
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This was my first thought, he has no confidence in Cassel.

This will get Jamall killed.

huh?

Ummmmm...is this okay with Mr. Bill Muir?

This.

Weis never ran the spread while he was at ND.

I'd be interested to know where the quote comes from. Sounds a bit like speculation to me, but it's tough to tell.

WTF? Seems like the exact opposite. This better not be true.

In other words Haley and Pioli are going to do everything in their power to hide Cassel's many many flaws.

It is amazing that Haley, a guy who was hired because of his career as an offensive coordinator/WR's coach is going to do everything in his power to apparently make the Chiefs passing game vanish.

You can't compete in today's NFL without a decent passing game.

Haley is going to try to compete with a Bill Parcells strategy, circa 1987.

I find this hard to believe. Wasn't the story all year that they kept butting heads because Haley wanted more passing? Didn't he supposedly take over playcalling in the second half of the Baltimore game?

This was a meat and potatoes offense in '10 under Weis. Cassel wasn't asked to do much because he can't. His rating was artificially inflated by a great play action attach (a shitty schedule had a lot to do with the success of that) and a lot of 1 yard TD passes off play action down on the goal line. The sad thing is Haley is probably gonna go down in flames when Cassel reverts back to what he is which we all saw the last few games of the year.

yea it's sad to say but Haley/Cassel are probably going down in a sinking ship together.

If we ever see another starting QB for the Chiefs it will also be with a different HC imo.

I can't see this happening, it just doesn't sound like Haley to me. I thought this year's offensive plan was pretty good balance, no mad bombs, but we have some tools to run a pretty solid passing game. Cassel of course is the key, but a new speedy GOOD wide receiver is also needed. I can't see Haley doing 3 yards and a cloud of dust...

oh ****

Pittsburgh conservative = Good


Herm Chiefs conservative = Antifreeze

I'm going to go ahead and panic beacause the coach wants to run an offense that runs and passes well.

Well, what did you think, it was a good thing he ran off a real OC?

Too bad we couldn't trade cassel

Wife wants pizza and beer for V-Day, I'll see if I can get this story confirmed.

I told ya

everyone kept saying that Weis was the one who was pushing the conservative plays but the 1st year when Haley called the plays says different. We won't know until the season starts but it seams to me that Haley is run,run,pass,punt type guy.

we'll see

I've never seen ANY indication that is was Haley that wanted more passing. People around here just thought that because of the offense in Arizona.

When Haley pulled Cassel it was because he was being too aggressive when Haley just wanted 3 yrds and a cloud of dust. Imo.

Imo Weis is also gone because he wanted a wide open offense and Haley didn't. I think a lot of people are in for a rude awakening when we see martyball back in town under Haley/Muir.

people wonder why i was so pissed when Weis left...

If true, might as well change the headline to "Haley going to run himself out of town."

Thats because Haley had SB winning QB in Arizona...

Hey! Welcome to knee-jerk Planet!

I will wait and see. My expectations will remain low, though, while MC is under center.

I'll wait to jump off the bridge until I hear it from a Nick Wright tweet. [/herpderp]

Note to Todd....wait till after draft and Free agency to set up your plays.

An overly risk-averse offense seems at odds with Haley's 4th down calls. Although Haley is still risk-averse according to the mathematical simulations (Romer's well-known paper), he is better than most coaches. I find it hard to believe Haley will play-not-to-lose.

towards the end Marty was the same way

he would be trying to prove he wasn't conservative so he would do reckless shit every so ofter but just couldn't bring himself to run a balanced offense.

Weis wanted to run a lot of shotgun while jazzing up the offense?


Yeah, I'm just going to label this as speculative BS.
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matt cassels "conservative" offense will make the '99 rams look like pussys

There's no more basis for that than there is for the other idea. 'cause, you know, everything any of us says about Haley/Weis is something we're pulling out of thin air...

It just seems odd. Haley's an aggressive guy. Although maybe he's going full Parcells.

Not to mention that it's mid-February. I'd like to think Haley isn't building his offensive framework before he even knows who's going to be on the field.

I don't want to get too over-conservative, but can anyone really deny that the Chiefs were at their best last season when they stuck to running the ball down the other team's throat? After all, weren't a lot of people accusing the Chiefs of getting too cute in the second half against the Ravens instead of abandoning the run?

I'm going to wait until week 4 of the season when the offense has 400 total yards and Cassel has thrown 5 INT's and 1 TD before I even get concerned. That is if there is a season.

Spot on.

Umm, you don't think there were other factors that led to 2009?

- Larry Johnson
- Mike Goff, Rudy Niswanger
- No Tony Gonzalez or Tony Moeaki at TE

But your right, none of that had any effect.

also forget the most glaring: Clancy Shittergast running the defense

-Jamaal Charles played a substancial amount down the stretch and Cassel's numbers got WORSE.

But you're right, let's pretend like 2009 was a throw-away year and not be able to analyze anything.

**** yourself.

This better be BS

I want Cassel's job.

$12mil to hand the ball off? Yes please.

I love the idea of paying someone a bonus while inadvertently admitting they suck.

Did Cassel really play worse? His QB rating was worse, but primarily because Haley actually had Cassel throwing downfield, and he through some picks. But overall offensively, pre-bye, our offense was a joke. Post-bye, it was probably close to NFL-average. 2 of the last 3 games we had 490 yards or more.

My guess is Haley doesn't think we have the WRs to spread the field. ****ers can't get open, so may as well keep them in to block.

Look, nothing in Haley's bio suggests that we are going to see Herm II. Everything in Herm's bio and rhetoric suggested he did plan to play not-to-lose. Ironically, Herm was given the benefit of the doubt, and no one thought he would mess with the offense....whereas with Haley, the opposite seems to be true.

I think our offense will be better next year, but it will be hard to compare, given we are moving from essentially the easiest schedule the NFL to the hardest. If Haley sucks as an offensive coach, get rid of his ass, because that is what he is supposed to bring to the table. Haley will earn his paycheck next year or get fired.

I have talked to my inside source, he informed me that the offense will be somewhere in between the Solari/Herm offense and the Vermeil/Saunders offense.

There's a huge, huge red flag if we are talking about our QB and saying interceptions were a product of throwing downfield.

I wonder what the reaction here had he said they're gonna run a bread and butter offense.

This is not true go to the site there is nothing about this on it .http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...ml&startrow=12

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...litz-8249.html

Under "Things I Didn't Used To Know," 3rd paragraph.

LMAO

If you have to ask this question, you either didn't watch the games or don't know what you're watching.

:facepalm:

Without knowing the source of this report, it's difficult to ascertain its validity.

That said, it does jibe with reports of the Chiefs meeting with so many offensive lineman at the Senior Bowl, etc. If they're really wanting to run the ball effectively, regardless of down and distance, they'll need to replace the center, right guard and right tackle this year, just for starters.

And more proof that you are mildly if not fully, reeruned.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_r...ft?eref=fromSI

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...litz-8249.html

Making Bill Muir the Chiefs’ offensive coordinator made sense from this perspective: head coach Todd Haley wants to run a meat and potatoes offense. He believes the Chiefs’ offensive personnel is best suited to play smash mouth football.

In fact, I’ve been told that was one of the sources of conflict between Haley and Charlie Weis, the former offensive coordinator. Weis wanted to use a lot of shotgun and spread formations while jazzing up the offense. Haley wanted to play it more conservatively.

WTF is everyone taking this as gospel? or potential gospel? Not even a link to the opening post about where it come from. Looks like someone fantasy blog entry. Thinking of neg repping the dude just on principle of not posting the link and getting everyone worked up.

Use your brain Planet.....

Haley doesn't run a martyball offense. Never has, never will. He doesn't believe in it, he believes that calculated risk is essential to an offensive game plan. The friggin polar opposite of herm and martyball.

Unfortunately, our best formula for success is to pound the ball with the run and soften the defense so Cassel can throw. Until he proves otherwise.

Even if we bring in a marquee receiver, I would think the same thing, except maybe a tad bit more pass friendly. I don't see a problem with a more conservative offense if Cassel is our QB.

Good thoughts.

Jones better be in good shape. Battle on the payroll will only help. We have a slug of one-back RB's. Castille? What has he done? He's caught a few balls, and helped in short yardage downs. One drawback to the O was forgetting we have the FB position.

The onus is on the defense, no question. Arguing about the spread vs. tight formations is BS. If we have to catch up, we're toast, if we're locked into the running game. You can't pass the ball without protection, and/or an effective ground game.

I saw Herm v2.0 two seasons ago. I don't want to see v3.0.

ROFL and there you have it.

Well, we did see in 2010 that a predictable running attack can work real well. Much better, IMO, than even Herm's offense. Of course, the only legit defense we really faced down the stretch was against Baltimore. This offense could be downright scary with a slightly more conservative run-centered offense if only we could prove we can throw the damn ball downfield, even when the defense is gunning to stop the run.

It lists the source as :National football post. I read it on Rotoworld.

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/n...vative-offense

Geeesh, settle down. My Rep got wiped out in the "Great rep heist" I dont need any of your help with that. Hehe

You could replace "run the ball effectively" with "pass the ball effectively" while leaving the rest of your statement intact and it could still be considered a valid analysis.

Story is horseshit. Like Haley is really known to be conservative. He may have his faults, but the guy has steel balls when it comes to playcalling.

Like others have said, if he doesnt want Cassel, then i can see an issue where we do what we did last year. We all know Cassel has issues and at times can make the good throw, but Haley is kinda stuck with him for now.

One thing Laz has right, even with those steel balls, Haley did call about 100 more rushes than passes in '09.

The question is, will he have more faith in Cassel in '11 than he did '09?

Will Cassel continue his progression from mid season last year, or continue to regress, as he did late last season.

What the Chiefs do on offense in '11 is entirely dependent on the answer to that question.

I think 2009 was due to the shitty team Cassel had around him. 2009 there was no win for anyone. It was going to be miserable and everyone knew it. Coaches, Front Office, Players, Fans and even homers.

Yeah its pretty hilarious going into last year everyone knew the Chiefs would be bad no matter who the coach was. But after that its Haley sucks and next year will be the same as that year. This fan base has to have some of the most stupid fans.

The point is, Haley is going to do what he believes gives him the best chance for success.

If he feels that he has to put more emphasis on running the ball, then that's what he's going to do.

Our O-Line is still a weak link, and Bowe is the only real receiver.

And most importantly, Cassel is still a question mark.

I have no idea what a national football post is, looks to me to be some blogger site. No link in a post like this is an epic fail.

This isn't news or even a sourced rumor. Just some dudes idea of whats going to happen. We all have ideas what will happen. Why should we care what this one blogger thinks? Why does it warrant its own thread? Have they been right in the past? Well respected?

I dont go there, but I do read Rotoworld, a very respected site. MANY threads are started with information from Rotoworld. They are the first to report a lot of information. Doesnt mean its right but when did that ever stop someone from posting it...

My prediction: The Chiefs are going to run and pass the ball.

link? Source? Anything besides pulling some 'gospel' out of your ass?

National Football Post is run by former NFL GM Michael Lombardi and there are some very good writers that contribute to that site. Dan Pompei, a Chicago based football reporter for decades, wrote that report.

He used to write for the Sporting News as well. The guy is definitely an insider.

Oh, and I previously linked to the report.

truth... we don't KNOW either way

Thank You.

I was just posting a story I read about the Chiefs, I didnt know we were supposed to post the authors biography as well. Hehe

usual suspects bitching and moaning about something that hasn't even happened yet

lololol

completely unfair imo

It's perfectly acceptable and even expected imo for fans to speculate about what their offense is going to be like after they lose their offensive Coordinator.

what you are some kind of buddist,zen mother ****er who just says Que sera sera?

just a link to the story is all thats required. Thats not too much trouble to ask.

That's not a standard any thread has had to meet in the past. Quit whining just because you don't like the message.

As I said, a link where the information came from is sufficent. I think that is the acceptable standard here.

There is no standard. quitcherbitchin.