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shammus 08-02-2011 08:54 PM

Any decent free agents left?
 
So we lost a few guys even just today that I think quite a few people were hoping we'd sign - Ryan Harris, Franklin, Warren, etc.. I scrounged to come up with a few names that are left at positions of need for us but there doesn't seem to be much left over that would help us out -

NT - Pat Williams? He's 38 but could at least be depth since all we have is Gregg and Powe

OT - Gaither, Max Starks, Flozell Adams, Bryant McKinnie? Most of these guys are either hurt or showed up to camp out of shape and were cut

ILB - Channing Crowder, Lofa Tatupu, Kirk Morrison. Crowder and Morrision would be quality signs...Tatupu was hurt and supposedly has lost a step.

OLB - Matt Roth. Close to signing with the Bears though....

DE - Drawing a blank here....Warren was the last guy I thought would make an impact

WR - Still some quality with Malcolm Floyd, Mike Williams and Braylon Edwards. Not sure WR is a large priority for us anymore

RB - Michael Bush and McClain are still out there I think. I'd take either to replace Thomas Jones.

That's it unless there's someone I'm overlooking? I think we're out of luck on any further Oline or Dline help. Still possible to get a decent middle linebacker unless we're standing pat after the Siler signing. Wouldn't mind picking up one of those two RBs either....

RedThat 08-02-2011 08:56 PM

Flozell Adams came in and played RT for the Steelers last year and did fairly well. He'd be an upgrade over Richardson at this point.

Matt Roth would be a good signing. I would love to have Michael Bush. I doubt any of those guys get signed by us though.

Okie_Apparition 08-02-2011 08:56 PM

A washed up #2 QB should get cut in coming weeks

RedThat 08-02-2011 08:57 PM

I think we are going to be fine at WR.

Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston and Copper is a good 4 WR set.

shammus 08-02-2011 09:00 PM

I hear McCluster is getting time in at WR during camp as well so those reports about him sticking to RB and ST may have been overblown.

KurtCobain 08-02-2011 09:00 PM

Moss to unretire, don't forget that assumption.

DTLB58 08-02-2011 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okie_Apparition (Post 7796948)
A washed up #2 QB should get cut in coming weeks

We for sure need a vet #2 QB for the entire season. Cut Palko and sign one.

Always could use more depth on the lines and at LB in a 3-4.

Pioli said the other day they were still looking at WR.

Some may want to push Thomas Jones out the door but I don't see it happening. To much man love from Haley.

Deberg_1990 08-02-2011 09:06 PM

Terrell Owens

Micjones 08-02-2011 09:09 PM

There are still players out there who could improve this team:

Shaun Ellis, Jared Gaither, Dashon Goldson, Donte Whitner, Jason Snelling, Le'Ron McClain...

DTLB58 08-02-2011 09:10 PM

:doh!:
Quote:

Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 7796947)
Flozell Adams came in and played RT for the Steelers last year and did fairly well. He'd be an upgrade over Richardson at this point.

Matt Roth would be a good signing. I would love to have Michael Bush. I doubt any of those guys get signed by us though.

Why the hate for Richardson? Did you watch the games last season? Do you know what his #'s were? 9 penalties in 16 starts only 2 holding calls and only 5 sacks allowed. Did you notice how many TD's Cassel threw for and how many yards the running game gained with Richardson playing? But a guy that started his FIRST 16 game season in the NFL you want to kick him to the curb, when the Chiefs are trying to develop young talent from within. :doh!:

RedThat 08-02-2011 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DTLB58 (Post 7797027)
:doh!:

Why the hate for Richardson? Did you watch the games last season? Do you know what his #'s were? 9 penalties in 16 starts only 2 holding calls and only 5 sacks allowed. Did you notice how many TD's Cassel threw for and how many yards the running game gained with Richardson playing? But a guy that started his FIRST 16 game season in the NFL you want to kick him to the curb, when the Chiefs are trying to develop young talent from within. :doh!:

I don't hate the guy. I just don't think he is a complete football player.

He is pretty one dimensional. Solid run blocker, but as a pass protector he has his share of struggles against the speed rushers.

Titty Meat 08-02-2011 09:17 PM

If Houston signs and Sheffield is 100% you might not need to sign a OLB.

Micjones 08-02-2011 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 7797053)
If Houston signs and Sheffield is 100% you might not need to sign a OLB.

I'm beginning to hope Studebaker wins that job.
I just don't think you can depend on either of the young guys being ready to step in and contribute right away. Sheffield coming back from injury and Houston being on such short time.

boogblaster 08-02-2011 09:22 PM

I like Tatupo .. if cheap ....

wazu 08-02-2011 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DTLB58 (Post 7797027)
:doh!:

Why the hate for Richardson? Did you watch the games last season? Do you know what his #'s were? 9 penalties in 16 starts only 2 holding calls and only 5 sacks allowed. Did you notice how many TD's Cassel threw for and how many yards the running game gained with Richardson playing? But a guy that started his FIRST 16 game season in the NFL you want to kick him to the curb, when the Chiefs are trying to develop young talent from within. :doh!:

Solid, fact-based argument. Still not sure what to make of Barry Richardson, but leaning towards...LIKE.

Sam Hall 08-02-2011 09:23 PM

Starks and McClain would be nice. I think it's time to focus on resigning Carr, Flowers, Hali and Bowe.

morphius 08-02-2011 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DTLB58 (Post 7796990)
We for sure need a vet #2 QB for the entire season. Cut Palko and sign one.

Always could use more depth on the lines and at LB in a 3-4.

Pioli said the other day they were still looking at WR.

Some may want to push Thomas Jones out the door but I don't see it happening. To much man love from Haley.

Why do we need a washed up, never gonna be, backup vet QB?

milkman 08-02-2011 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 7797048)
I don't hate the guy. I just don't think he is a complete football player.

He is pretty one dimensional. Solid run blocker, but as a pass protector he has his share of struggles against the speed rushers.

I disagree.

Richardson has the tools to be an elite pass protector, and if you watched closely, there were plays when he looked like the best RT in the game.

His problem is, and always has been, focus.

If he could maintain his focus and give full effort each and every play, he would lock down the position for the next 10 years.

We need to bring in a starter quality RT to compete, because you can not rely on Richardson to maintain any consistency unless you can find a way to keep him focused.

Titty Meat 08-02-2011 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 7797062)
I'm beginning to hope Studebaker wins that job.
I just don't think you can depend on either of the young guys being ready to step in and contribute right away. Sheffield coming back from injury and Houston being on such short time.

I've seen nothing that would indicate Studebaker is anything more than a backup/special teams player honestly.

Sam Hall 08-02-2011 09:33 PM

Maybe the Chiefs don't need McClain. I suppose I could live with Thomas Jones for another season. It would make Trent Richardson an exciting possibility in next year's draft. Let's say we're picking in the late teens into the 20s.

Chiefs Pantalones 08-02-2011 09:37 PM

I hope. We still have holes that need to be adressed IMO.

Red Coater 08-02-2011 09:37 PM

What about saftey. We only have Mcgraw.

BossChief 08-02-2011 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7797080)
I disagree.

Richardson has the tools to be an elite pass protector, and if you watched closely, there were plays when he looked like the best RT in the game.

His problem is, and always has been, focus.

If he could maintain his focus and give full effort each and every play, he would lock down the position for the next 10 years.

We need to bring in a starter quality RT to compete, because you can not rely on Richardson to maintain any consistency unless you can find a way to keep him focused.

I am not a Richardson fan, but this post is a homerun evaluation of how he should be dealt with.

When he was pulled last year, it seemed to light a fire under his ass and I think if there was legit competition for his job, he would continue to play like a player with a fire under his ass.

It could backfire, but if it does he really isnt the guy we wanted all along anyways.

KevB 08-02-2011 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shammus (Post 7796969)
I hear McCluster is getting time in at WR during camp as well so those reports about him sticking to RB and ST may have been overblown.

When I was there Sunday (admittedly, very small sample size), he was working with the RBs.

KevB 08-02-2011 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 7797073)
Starks and McClain would be nice. I think it's time to focus on resigning Carr, Flowers, Hali and Bowe.

I've heard Starks is extremely out of shape. I really doubt that would fly with the current regime.

RedThat 08-02-2011 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7797080)
I disagree.

Richardson has the tools to be an elite pass protector, and if you watched closely, there were plays when he looked like the best RT in the game.

His problem is, and always has been, focus.

If he could maintain his focus and give full effort each and every play, he would lock down the position for the next 10 years.

We need to bring in a starter quality RT to compete, because you can not rely on Richardson to maintain any consistency unless you can find a way to keep him focused.

Thats his problem he lacks discipline. If he had that, I'd be pretty content with him. His problem is more mental than anything. For me, as a fan, it bothers me to see inconsistent performances from players. But nothing is more frustrating than seeing inconsistent performances from offensive lineman.

If a player wants to be successful, he has to perform on a consistent basis. Anything less is unacceptable imo. If he is inconsistent, it pretty much defines him as a failure. There were times when he played well, and then there were times when he really sucked. What bothered me was that he sucked as the season went on. That shouldn't happen. It should be the opposite.


I can understand he is a young football player. I also understand football is a physical game, and as the season goes on, one's own body can wear down.
But if his issue is losing focus as the season goes on, to me thats a bad sign. It shows that he lacks mental toughness. He can have all the technique and tools in the world to be an all-pro, but, if he doesn't have it mentally, then thats a real problem imo.

I'll root for the guy and I sure hope he can develop into a good one. We'll see. Only time will tell.

Micjones 08-02-2011 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 7797089)
I've seen nothing that would indicate Studebaker is anything more than a backup/special teams player honestly.

Well whatever you've seen from Studebaker...
We've seen EVEN LESS from Sheffield and Houston.

Micjones 08-02-2011 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Coater (Post 7797106)
What about saftey. We only have Mcgraw.

Donte Whitner or Dashon Goldson

BossChief 08-02-2011 10:02 PM

He doesnt lack discipline IMO.

He lacks the knowledge as to WHO to block when teams chose to overload his side in a blitz.

When he does block someone, he eliminates him from the play...but when he gets confused, he simply doesnt block the right guy and Cassel gets pummeled.

Thats what I saw anyway.

milkman 08-02-2011 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 7797131)
Thats his problem he lacks discipline. If he had that, I'd be pretty content with him. His problem is more mental than anything. For me, as a fan, it bothers me to see inconsistent performances from players. But nothing is more frustrating than seeing inconsistent performances from offensive lineman.

If a player wants to be successful, he has to perform on a consistent basis. Anything less is unacceptable imo. If he is inconsistent, it pretty much defines him as a failure. There were times when he played well, and then there were times when he really sucked. What bothered me was that he sucked as the season went on. That shouldn't happen. It should be the opposite.


I can understand he is a young football player. I also understand football is a physical game, and as the season goes on, one's own body can wear down.
But if his issue is losing focus as the season goes on, to me thats a bad sign. It shows that he lacks mental toughness. He can have all the technique and tools in the world to be an all-pro, but, if he doesn't have it mentally, then thats a real problem imo.

I'll root for the guy and I sure hope he can develop into a good one. We'll see. Only time will tell.

He is young, and some people mature later than others.

Last year he seemed to start to show signs of just starting to mature, but still fell back into bad habits.

milkman 08-02-2011 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7797139)
He doesnt lack discipline IMO.

He lacks the knowledge as to WHO to block when teams chose to overload his side in a blitz.

When he does block someone, he eliminates him from the play...but when he gets confused, he simply doesnt block the right guy and Cassel gets pummeled.

Thats what I saw anyway.

There was some of that, which speaks to coaching.
We saw some of that same problem on the other side with Albert.

lcarus 08-02-2011 10:38 PM

I think depth at WR would be great.

Direckshun 08-02-2011 11:47 PM

I'm still holding out for Snelling.

Deberg_1990 08-03-2011 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 7797256)
I'm still holding out for Snelling.

That would be sweet, and i was kind of hoping they would pick up another RB, but it appears they are ok with Jones for another year. They would have already picked up another RB or drafted one higher if they were more concerned about the position.

Fansy the Famous Bard 08-03-2011 06:46 AM

Still need a backup safety in the worst way.

durtyrute 08-03-2011 07:28 AM

Why do people keep saying McClain, why do we need another back

Fansy the Famous Bard 08-03-2011 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durtyrute (Post 7797484)
Why do people keep saying McClain, why do we need another back

Because the last half of the season Thomas Jones was driving on a flat, with low oil pressure, and in need of a new transmission.

the Talking Can 08-03-2011 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durtyrute (Post 7797484)
Why do people keep saying McClain, why do we need another back

because behind Charles we have nothing but worn out tires and midget wanna-be's...

Chiefnj2 08-03-2011 07:50 AM

Is Locklear still available? He was the highest rated RT for pass blocking over at profootballfocus.

milkman 08-03-2011 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7797516)
Is Locklear still available? He was the highest rated RT for pass blocking over at profootballfocus.

Re-signed by Seattle.

durtyrute 08-03-2011 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7797515)
because behind Charles we have nothing but worn out tires and midget wanna-be's...

I still say give Battle a shot if T Ones falls off. ( that's the nickname I gave him last year) Plus we just drafted a guy and we have Small Stuff McGruff back there too. There are much bigger needs than another back

Chiefnj2 08-03-2011 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durtyrute (Post 7797545)
I still say give Battle a shot if T Ones falls off. ( that's the nickname I gave him last year) Plus we just drafted a guy and we have Small Stuff McGruff back there too. There are much bigger needs than another back

It's not like signing McClain would prevent KC from addressing other needs.

Sofa King 08-03-2011 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durtyrute (Post 7797545)
I still say give Battle a shot if T Ones falls off. ( that's the nickname I gave him last year) Plus we just drafted a guy and we have Small Stuff McGruff back there too. There are much bigger needs than another back

You wonder why people keep talking about McClain, and we keep wondering why the **** people keep talking about Battle. Battle is a hunk of crap. How do people not see that.

McClain > all of our option at FB and backup RB.

milkman 08-03-2011 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durtyrute (Post 7797545)
I still say give Battle a shot if T Ones falls off. ( that's the nickname I gave him last year) Plus we just drafted a guy and we have Small Stuff McGruff back there too. There are much bigger needs than another back

After 6 games, Jones is useless.

Battle and McNuggett were useless the moment the ink dried on their contracts, which is far more credit they they deserve for usefulness.

the Talking Can 08-03-2011 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durtyrute (Post 7797545)
I still say give Battle a shot if T Ones falls off. ( that's the nickname I gave him last year) Plus we just drafted a guy and we have Small Stuff McGruff back there too. There are much bigger needs than another back

i think battle is worthless...

durtyrute 08-03-2011 08:34 AM

Battle isn't useless, if he was he wouldn't have made it throught two regimes. We don't even really need a FB with the offense that we have. Go out and fill the major needs then if Die Hard is still there snatch em up.

Deberg_1990 08-03-2011 08:36 AM

What other RB's do we have on the team right now behind Battle? Any chance they can beat him out?

milkman 08-03-2011 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durtyrute (Post 7797558)
Battle isn't useless, if he was he wouldn't have made it throught two regimes. We don't even really need a FB with the offense that we have. Go out and fill the major needs then if Die Hard is still there snatch em up.

The reason he's survived two regimes is that he's less smelly shit than the shit he's beaten to keep a roster spot.

But shit is shit, no matter the degree of stink.

You can embrace the shit.

Me, I'm looking to flush at the earliest opportunity.

Fansy the Famous Bard 08-03-2011 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durtyrute (Post 7797558)
Battle isn't useless, if he was he wouldn't have made it throught two regimes. We don't even really need a FB with the offense that we have. Go out and fill the major needs then if Die Hard is still there snatch em up.

Then why did we keep 2 fullbacks on the roster last year?

durtyrute 08-03-2011 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7797568)
The reason he's survived two regimes is that he's less smelly shit than the shit he's beaten to keep a roster spot.

But shit is shit, no matter the degree of stink.

You can embrace the shit.

Me, I'm looking to flush at the earliest opportunity.


ROFL

I love the shit

durtyrute 08-03-2011 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 7797577)
Then why did we keep 2 fullbacks on the roster last year?

Not really sure about that but they weren't really used enough to go out and spend alot on that position. I'm not sure what he cost I haven't looked but like I said, our offense is set maybe with another Olineman or two. Let's build up the defense, and take care of the people in house.

Mr. Laz 08-03-2011 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shammus (Post 7796933)
NT - Pat Williams? He's 38 but could at least be depth since all we have is Gregg and Powe

OT - Gaither, Max Starks, Flozell Adams, Bryant McKinnie

ILB - Channing Crowder, Lofa Tatupu, Kirk Morrison.

OLB - Matt Roth. Close to signing with the Bears though....

RB - Michael Bush and McClain are still out there I think. I'd take either to replace Thomas Jones.

I would absolutely want to sign Pat Williams AND commit to carrying 3 nose tackles this year so that we keep Powe as well. The old guys will need to rotate and Powe can come along as quickly/slowly as he needs.

i really want OT help ... Gaither scared me. I just don't know that he gives a shit about anything but the money.

Tatupu would be interesting

is Bush restricted ... would be nice to have a bruiser

Sofa King 08-03-2011 09:39 AM

Bush is restricted.

milkman 08-03-2011 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 7797696)
Bush is restricted.

I bet women say that to you all the time.

Sofa King 08-03-2011 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7797716)
I bet women say that to you all the time.

I have a special events pass.

shammus 08-03-2011 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durtyrute (Post 7797484)
Why do people keep saying McClain, why do we need another back

I liked Thomas Jones the first half of last year but if you recall, his play really slipped the 2nd half. By the end of the season he was getting under 2 ypc.

I'm definitely in the camp that we can't simply go into the season relying on Jones/Charles to carry us for a full season. Plus, if either get hurt then we're really going to be stuck as neither of these guys can handle a full workload.

Pasta Little Brioni 08-03-2011 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 7797053)
If Houston signs and Sheffield is 100% you might not need to sign a OLB.

I agree.

RealSNR 08-03-2011 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durtyrute (Post 7797484)
Why do people keep saying McClain, why do we need another back

I think I read somewhere that Thomas Jones ate some mass-produced packaged foods and got cellulose poisoning


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