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petegz28 08-12-2011 07:34 PM

Haley did the right thing..
 
Most of our starters just got to camp last Thursday. I think he played this game smart. Treat it as a practice. Aside from the magic he did were somehow he got Cassel to throw 3 passes without every throwing a pass, I think the approach was overall the right one. Actually the running game started looking good until Battle decided he was ready to hit the bench.

All in all, we got to look at some young talent, our starters didn't get hurt (because most didn't play) and that's good. They need another week to get their legs, no sense in getting guys hurt especially when they have been there a week.

ArrowheadHawk 08-12-2011 07:35 PM

:thumb:

kstater 08-12-2011 07:35 PM

0.0


Inexcusable performance from Cassel.

Mr. Laz 08-12-2011 07:35 PM

on the other hand, how much do players learn when they can't even walk a straight line without tripping over themselves?

Mr. Flopnuts 08-12-2011 07:36 PM

Agreed. No legit TD's playing against backups. This isn't bad. Only the fools will freak out tonight.

Extra Point 08-12-2011 07:37 PM

"Which one of you scrubs wants to make 25 gees? Allright, then, take the QB's head off!

keg in kc 08-12-2011 07:37 PM

I don't have a problem with it. I thought it was hilarious while I was watching actually. I mean, we're running in 2nd and 3rd stringers for evaluation while Josh Freeman's trying to move the ball with the first string offense. By that point, it's like 'yep, they don't give a shit about the score.'

Everybody looks to be through the first half healthy, which is the real key.

King_Chief_Fan 08-12-2011 07:37 PM

hard to argue this

Bugeater 08-12-2011 07:38 PM

Ah yes, Pete's weekly "Thread That Should Be A Post In The Gamethread" thread. I sure did miss these.

Reaper16 08-12-2011 07:39 PM

Right thing for the team? Sure, I can agree with that.

The right thing for the paying customers? Absolutely not.

-King- 08-12-2011 07:39 PM

Yup, give the starters more time to practice before they have to play a game. Good plan.

DaFace 08-12-2011 07:39 PM

The fact that you even need to post this is somewhat depressing. Anyone who seriously gives a shit about the score in this game AT ALL has serious issues.

kstater 08-12-2011 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 7821495)
Ah yes, Pete's weekly "Thread That Should Be A Post In The Gamethread" thread. I sure did miss these.


Give him a break. He's in preseason form too. It'll take all 4 weeks to get to where he's able to post 8 of these during the game.

BossChief 08-12-2011 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 7821495)
Ah yes, Pete's weekly "Thread That Should Be A Post In The Gamethread" thread. I sure did miss these.

the players were locked out, but the dumbass posters are in mid season form.

Phobia 08-12-2011 07:40 PM

I don't have a problem with it. If I had paid $100 to get in I'd be pissed.

petegz28 08-12-2011 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 7821495)
Ah yes, Pete's weekly "Thread That Should Be A Post In The Gamethread" thread. I sure did miss these.

I didn't want to disappoint. :thumb:

keg in kc 08-12-2011 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 7821498)
Right thing for the team? Sure, I can agree with that.

The right thing for the paying customers? Absolutely not.

I can think of a counter-argument to that. Get people hurt now, the team tanks. Which is worse? A couple of lame preseason games, or tickets you don't want in October, November and December. Not to mention the lost opportunity for a potential January game.

(Best solution of course would be to take preseason games off the ticket packages, which ain't happenin...)

Extra Point 08-12-2011 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 7821501)
The fact that you even need to post this is somewhat depressing. Anyone who seriously gives a shit about the score in this game AT ALL has serious issues.

That's all fine and good, but you must have never played.

petegz28 08-12-2011 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 7821498)
Right thing for the team? Sure, I can agree with that.

The right thing for the paying customers? Absolutely not.

If as a fan, you expect to see good football in the 1st pre-season game, regardless of the off-season situation then you are setting yourself up for a disappointment anyway.

the Talking Can 08-12-2011 07:44 PM

i wouldn't have even played cassel....

keg in kc 08-12-2011 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7821520)
i wouldn't have even played cassel....

They didn't, really. Although he could have taken a hit on the fumble.

Reaper16 08-12-2011 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7821514)
I can think of a counter-argument to that. Get people hurt now, the team tanks. Which is worse? A couple of lame preseason games, or tickets you don't want in October, November and December. Not to mention the lost opportunity for a potential January game.

(Best solution of course would be to take preseason games off the ticket packages, which ain't happenin...)

Or cancel the entire preseason.

Mr. Laz 08-12-2011 07:45 PM

We can just sit the starters for all 4 preseason games then we will be uber healthy for the regular season.

Super Bowl Here We Come!!!!!!!!!!

keg in kc 08-12-2011 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 7821525)
Or cancel the entire preseason.

I don't think they should cancel it. Cut it down to 2 games maybe. I think they do need some prep. You won't see KC doing this during the 2nd and 3rd games...

FloridaMan88 08-12-2011 07:49 PM

Patriots treated their game yesterday like a practice (didn't even play Brady) and hung close to 50 points.

petegz28 08-12-2011 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 7821552)
Patriots treated their game yesterday like a practice (didn't even play Brady) and hung close to 50 points.

I'm real proud of them....

DaFace 08-12-2011 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 7821552)
Patriots treated their game yesterday like a practice (didn't even play Brady) and hung close to 50 points.

So, based on your logic here, is it safe to say that any team who scores fewer than 50 points in a preseason game would not be up to your standards?

kstater 08-12-2011 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 7821552)
Patriots treated their game yesterday like a practice (didn't even play Brady) and hung close to 50 points.

Yes, but Brady didn't score any points, so once the season starts and he's out there, the Pats won't score any points.

-King- 08-12-2011 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 7821552)
Patriots treated their game yesterday like a practice (didn't even play Brady) and hung close to 50 points.

Philly treated their game like a real game (starting Vick) and only hung up 13. Clearly they're going to be drafting top 5 next year.

petegz28 08-12-2011 07:55 PM

Some coaches want to win the games in pre-season. Denny Green was really big on that. Most coaches want to evaluate players.

I remember one year in pre-season Arizona blew us out of the ****ing water at Arrowhead. All the talk then was we were gonna suck and the Cards were awesome sauce under Buddy. Later that season when we played them and it counted Steve Bono broke off a 70+ yard run and we kicked the living **** out of them.

keg in kc 08-12-2011 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 7821586)
Philly treated their game like a real game (starting Vick) and only hung up 13. Clearly they're going to be drafting top 5 next year.

The Chargers played their starters for several series last night but lost to Seattle. They're doomed.

FloridaMan88 08-12-2011 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 7821586)
Philly treated their game like a real game (starting Vick) and only hung up 13. Clearly they're going to be drafting top 5 next year.

Philly scored a TD with Vick in the game. San Diego scored a TD with Rivers in the game.

The Chiefs didn't attempt a pass and had 2 turnovers with Cassel in the game.

Preseason is preseason, but you'd like to see your team at least look like an NFL-caliber team, especially when the starters are in.

The Chiefs look like a UFL tryout team tonight.

petegz28 08-12-2011 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 7821606)
Philly scored a TD with Vick in the game. San Diego scored a TD with Rivers in the game.

The Chiefs didn't attempt a pass and had 2 turnovers with Cassel in the game.

Preseason is preseason, but you'd like to see your team at least look like an NFL-caliber team, especially when the starters are in.

The Chiefs look like a UFL tryout team tonight.

San Diego took a huge chance playing their starters that much and their running game looked like total ass.

All things considered, the Chiefs haven't looked as bad as the score.

FloridaMan88 08-12-2011 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 7821611)
All things considered, the Chiefs haven't looked as bad as the score.

Actually they look worse than the score indicates.

petegz28 08-12-2011 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 7821616)
Actually they look worse than the score indicates.

I don't think so. We were pinned at the 10 our first two possesions. You want Cassel dropping back in that siutation in the 1st pre-season game?

Seriously?

keg in kc 08-12-2011 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 7821611)
All things considered, the Chiefs haven't looked as bad as the score.

I spent the first half wondering how in the world the Chiefs backups kept the score relatively close. I mean, Tampa didn't actually do very much on offense. I mean, get handed the ball on the 10 and you're pretty likely to get a touchdown. Other than that...pretty good for backups against starters. You'd think it should be a slaughter.

The offense on the other hand, backups didn't fair so well.

Ironically, if the situation was reversed, I would imagine there'd be a bit of concern that the Chiefs starters only managed 13 points against the other team's scrubs, and 10 of those points don't really count as good work by the offense, since they came off of short fields. Just one sustained drive? That's not very good.

If the situation was reversed.

DJ's left nut 08-12-2011 08:06 PM

Yeah, that's all well and good, but a season ticket to this ****ing game cost as much as a ticket to the Raiders game.

I didn't go because I'm sick as all hell right now, but the fact that I put down $200 for tickets to this game as part of the ST package is just absurd.

I disagree with giving a game away, but ultimately I understand it (he really did punt this game). My real beef is with the NFL and their ability to include these tickets in ST packages at full price.

DJ's left nut 08-12-2011 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 7821616)
Actually they look worse than the score indicates.

I'm inclined to agree with you.

They've shown absolutely nothing at all. Obviously the real games wouldn't be anything like this, but this is an 0-16 effort. It's a pretty pathetic display, really.

petegz28 08-12-2011 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7821627)
I spent the first half wondering how in the world the Chiefs backups kept the score relatively close. I mean, Tampa didn't actually do very much on offense. I mean, get handed the ball on the 10 and you're pretty likely to get a touchdown. Other than that...pretty good for backups against starters. You'd think it should be a slaughter.

The offense on the other hand, backups didn't fair so well.

Ironically, if the situation was reversed, I would imagine there'd be a bit of concern that the Chiefs starters only managed 13 points against the other team's scrubs, and 10 of those points don't really count as good work by the offense, since they came off of short fields. Just one sustained drive? That's not very good.

If the situation was reversed.

I woul dhave liked to see our offensive backups do better but you don't know what's going through Haley's head either. Probably just calling some plays they ran through in camp knowing these are not going to be the guys playing next week at the start of the game.

Mr. Flopnuts 08-12-2011 08:10 PM

88, you are seriously at least 18% reeruned.

morphius 08-12-2011 08:13 PM

I like the way we did it just for the fact that we will have some good tape on our second string versus first string players. But man, it is still painful to watch.

petegz28 08-12-2011 08:17 PM

No Weigman, Charles, Mclain, Breaston, Dorsey, Gregg, Hali, Johnson, and who knows who else...

Cassel was there to hand off the ball only....

Tough to watch but most expected

Hammock Parties 08-12-2011 08:18 PM

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ArrowheadMagic 08-12-2011 08:22 PM

Good thing I donated my tickets to Big Brother/Big Sister. Nothing to really learn from this but watching the rookies. Bailey isnt as stout against the run as expected. Houston looks ok, JBrown, has some work to do. All in all, probably the worst game to attend, in the history of preseason.

Ming the Merciless 08-12-2011 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstater (Post 7821480)
0.0


Inexcusable performance from Cassel.

LMAO

mlyonsd 08-12-2011 08:26 PM

I'd really just like one guy to step up and make a play on either side of the ball. Eventually someone needs to get pissed off enough to do something special.

mlyonsd 08-12-2011 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 7821741)
Good thing I donated my tickets to Big Brother/Big Sister.

Nice.

Molitoth 08-12-2011 08:31 PM

Quote:

Haley did the right thing..
Personally I think teaching the team how to win is the right thing, no matter what string it is.

petegz28 08-12-2011 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 7821790)
Personally I think teaching the team how to win is the right thing, no matter what string it is.

We were 1-3 in pre-season last year......

kcchiefsus 08-12-2011 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 7821501)
The fact that you even need to post this is somewhat depressing. Anyone who seriously gives a shit about the score in this game AT ALL has serious issues.

I don't think anybody should be concerned with the score, but our performance is certainly disheartening. Not many positives at all from this game. I'm not too worried yet, but if things don't improve next week I might start to be. Again, score doesn't matter but nobody on the team stood out and made plays.

milkman 08-12-2011 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7821529)
I don't think they should cancel it. Cut it down to 2 games maybe.

I disagree with this.

I know it's hard for average fans to sit through these preseason games , and it is inexcusable for the league to charge full price for tickets, but 2 games is not enough to get a good evaluation of young players in real games.

RealSNR 08-12-2011 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 7821606)
Philly scored a TD with Vick in the game. San Diego scored a TD with Rivers in the game.

The Chiefs didn't attempt a pass and had 2 turnovers with Cassel in the game.

Preseason is preseason, but you'd like to see your team at least look like an NFL-caliber team, especially when the starters are in.

The Chiefs look like a UFL tryout team tonight.

Todd Haley was going to treat this preseason game as something more than a glorified practice session, but he was having too much fun doing your mom in the butt

RealSNR 08-12-2011 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstater (Post 7821480)
0.0


Inexcusable performance from Cassel.

Repost, dumbass

kstater 08-12-2011 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 7821841)
Repost, dumbass

Yes, I posted it a long time before you started your thread.


Dumbass

petegz28 08-12-2011 08:44 PM

I thought the run defense has looked pretty good for the most part. The pass defense sucks but we were playing soft zone most of the time

RealSNR 08-12-2011 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstater (Post 7821872)
Yes, I posted it a long time before you started your thread.


Dumbass

And i had sex with your mom before you were born, dumbass.

**** I'm drunk

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 08-12-2011 08:58 PM

Soooo Bannon already has as many carries as a pro than he did at Yale....

Our scrubs are awful

L.A. Chieffan 08-12-2011 09:06 PM

Jesus that post was edited?

Beef Supreme 08-12-2011 09:08 PM

Yeah the score doesn't mean anything, but if it's about evaluating talent of the new guys, my evaluation is they lack it. Some pretty feeble tackling and blocking all the way around.

Valiant 08-12-2011 09:10 PM

Meh.. preseason.. Ran vanilla offense/defense against a team actually running regular season plays..

GloryDayz 08-12-2011 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 7821498)
Right thing for the team? Sure, I can agree with that.

The right thing for the paying customers? Absolutely not.

This. To think, I flew in at 3:00 and had thoughts of taking the son to the game... Glad I did lawn work instead...

petegz28 08-12-2011 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 7821996)
Jesus that post was edited?

I fixed a spelling snafu, if it makes you feel better

Rasputin 08-12-2011 09:12 PM

Cassel threw as manny passes as he did in his college career, right on track.



T. Jones did good for a few good runs that was a good sign. Hope he doesn't hit the wall any time soon.

Give McCluster some opportunities and he is going to make some big time plays.


Stanzi is a stud QB in the making, he needs to be pollished, am most exited he is a Chief! He reminded me of Rothlesshamberger ability to bounce off attempted sacks or hits and make something happen.

Wasn't much there for the regular starters not playing, so kind of an incomplete performance. Freeman is one hell of a QB thow hat off to him.

We will get to see more in the next few weeks and get a good idea of where we are at. Am ready for next Friday Friday.

Bwana 08-12-2011 09:15 PM

Yawn

A preseason game playing mostly our scrubs, no big deal.

CoMoChief 08-12-2011 09:18 PM

season's over.......thanks nfl lockout.....

petegz28 08-12-2011 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 7822017)
Yawn

A preseason game playing mostly our scrubs, no big deal.

Exactly. And as someone else said in the game thread, we came to play a glorified scrimmage and they came to play a real game.

Mr_Tomahawk 08-12-2011 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 7822011)


Stanzi is a stud QB in the making, he needs to be pollished, am most exited he is a Chief! He reminded me of Rothlesshamberger ability to bounce off attempted sacks or hits and make something happen.

You just compared Stanzi to Rapshamburgers? Stanzi shares more similarities with Castle...unfortunately.

kstater 08-12-2011 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 7822011)
Cassel threw as manny passes as he did in his college career, right on track.

This isn't true.

Rasputin 08-12-2011 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 7822023)
You just compared Stanzi to Rapshamburgers? Stanzi shares more similarities with Castle...unfortunately.

I like Rothlesshamberger the football player not the person.

I like Cassel the person not the football player.


I think Stanzi showed some attributes that made Rothlesshambeger successfull by extending the play and avoiding sacks. Rothlesshamberger the football player is a winner and I'd like to think Stanzi will fit that bill. Cassel not so much.

Sure-Oz 08-12-2011 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 7821498)
Right thing for the team? Sure, I can agree with that.

The right thing for the paying customers? Absolutely not.

I was offered a free ticket to go with a friend, i declined knowing i'd spend money on food/drinks, i prefered to be lazy tonight like the chiefs

Reerun_KC 08-12-2011 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 7822075)
I was offered a free ticket to go with a friend, i declined knowing i'd spend money on food/drinks, i prefered to be lazy tonight like the chiefs

How were they lazy if they were just evaluating and running a glorified practice?

Explain?

Sure-Oz 08-12-2011 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 7822077)
How were they lazy if they were just evaluating and running a glorified practice?

Explain?

I'm so glad they wasted the fans time and money tonight. If they look like this in practice we are ****ed

Reerun_KC 08-12-2011 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 7822096)
I'm so glad they wasted the fans time and money tonight. If they look like this in practice we are ****ed

Well I agree here... Charging anything for a preseason game is criminal...

You shouldnt have to pay for parking or the game...

Red Beans 08-12-2011 09:46 PM

I want to see Stanzi take some snaps with the number one O. He can put the ball right on the money if he's go time. I know it's early, but....

Shaid 08-12-2011 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 7822023)
You just compared Stanzi to Rapshamburgers? Stanzi shares more similarities with Castle...unfortunately.

Honestly he reminded me more of Thigpen, just sayin'. :doh!:

morphius 08-12-2011 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 7822096)
I'm so glad they wasted the fans time and money tonight. If they look like this in practice we are ****ed

The most frustrating part for me is the fact that people were forced to pay full price for a game the team decided to treat like a practice session. It isn't like the players are even getting paid regular game checks.

philfree 08-12-2011 10:45 PM

So what's the cost of putting on a preseason game compared to a regular season game?

lcarus 08-12-2011 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morphius (Post 7822198)
The most frustrating part for me is the fact that people were forced to pay full price for a game the team decided to treat like a practice session. It isn't like the players are even getting paid regular game checks.

The way I see it, you should know what you're getting into when you buy a ticket to a preseason game. Admittedly, this is worse than most preseason games as far as seeing the starters, but Chiefs preseason games are typically pretty lackluster in the entertainment department. Even if the starters play a few series.

morphius 08-12-2011 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philfree (Post 7822217)
So what's the cost of putting on a preseason game compared to a regular season game?

Well, if it is true that players are not paid for it, then you can figure it cost about 2.6 million less per team.

Frankie 08-12-2011 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 7821606)
The Chiefs didn't attempt a pass and had 2 turnovers with Cassel in the game.

I really think the only reason Cassel even played the two series was to have him and Hudson more used to each other regarding snaps.


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