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Aspengc8 08-29-2011 07:46 AM

Why are we still using the 3-4?
 
IMO we have decent personnel to run a 4-3 or any even front scheme.

DE: gilberry/Hali/Bailey
DT: dorsey/gregg/powe
MLB: dj/belcher/williams
OLB: houston/miller/sheffield

DJ can be played at OLB in a even scheme, since he is one of the better coverage LB's I have seen to date. Problem is our LB's dont have much size for a 3-4 scheme, and out of our 3 DL, none require a double team. I think gilberry/hali on the ends would let us rush the passer with 4, and use our more mobile LB's in coverage. Dorsey back to a 3 tech DT, with gregg/powe helps vs interior runs too. Most teams that dominate odd fronts have beastly DL, and linebackers that look like they lift weights. Our LB's look like they go to planet fitness.

Just a thought.

Will try in Madden 12 tonight, to verify lol.

the Talking Can 08-29-2011 07:48 AM

please ****ing kill yourself

Lzen 08-29-2011 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7859137)
please ****ing kill yourself

This. /end thread

Chiefs=Champions 08-29-2011 07:53 AM

This must be a mult.. Easily the dumbest thread ive seen in awhile...

WhitiE 08-29-2011 07:54 AM

Go tell Romeo

talastan 08-29-2011 07:54 AM

Wow didn't someone post this thread last year?


Yes Pat, I would like see if there is an:





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O.city 08-29-2011 08:10 AM

The thing is yes we do run a 3-4 but we are in different fronts constantly. It really isn't right to say a team is 3-4 or 4-3 because they run so many different packages with different fronts that are a mix of both.

We are a base 3-4 team and have drafted the personel to play that front. Why would we want to change it? It would be the same as when Haley came in switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4 and not having the people to do it.

lcarus 08-29-2011 08:27 AM

All I know is since we switched to running out of the 3-4 primarily, our defense has gotten better and better.

DTLB58 08-29-2011 09:07 AM

Well they aren't going to change NOW, after all the player aquisitions that have gone on to tailor to it.

Haley has said (First season I believe) that with all the coaches that are on staff familiar to it, including Pioli, to find the right players, it would be foolish not to.

The Franchise 08-29-2011 09:32 AM

Yep....because we're going to take DJ....who is a beast in the 3-4 and put him back into a 4-3 where he was mediocre.


And we don't run a 4-3 because Jesus ****ing hates you.

BossChief 08-29-2011 09:46 AM

not this shit again...

Brock 08-29-2011 09:46 AM

great thread, bro.

Hammock Parties 08-29-2011 09:48 AM

Hali would go back to getting obliterated against the run in a 4-3.

He's much better on the edge.

-King- 08-29-2011 09:52 AM

No.

...just no.
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Sofa King 08-29-2011 09:59 AM

Lets fire Crennel while we're at it. It's not like he's been ****ing amazing or anything.

lcarus 08-29-2011 10:00 AM

Yeah the 3-4 has gotten us the best out of players that were on the brink of becoming "busts". Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali, and Glenn Dorsey are all doing great in this system. During Herm's reign of 4-3 "cover 2" terror, those 3 players were much worse off.

BossChief 08-29-2011 10:02 AM

Romeo won a championship running a 4-3 in NE before making the switch a little less than a year later...if he thought we would be better off as a 4-3, we probably would be one.

OctoberFart 08-29-2011 10:18 AM

Think of the 4-3 you guys could of had if you kept Allen.

Ace Gunner 08-29-2011 10:21 AM

The 34defense Haley runs is the same defense Parcells ran for the Giants. It's the same one Belichick ran everywhere he's gone, including with the Giants under Parcells.

That's what they prefer, they like the odds of finding players for that system compared to paying big $ for DE's in the 43 that are rarely as good as they are paid.

They like to rush 3 and drop into zone. If they can do this 10 times a game, they usually get turnovers.

Omaha 08-29-2011 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AutumnWind (Post 7859506)
Think of the 4-3 you guys could of had if you kept Allen.

"could of"

ROFLROFLROFL

Mr. Laz 08-29-2011 10:54 AM

i have a better question ... why are we still seeing stupid threads bout this?

we are just now getting 3-4 personnel.

a case can be made that Hali IS a 3-4 OLB considering his success in the new system.
Houston and Sheffield ARE 3-4 OLBs.
Gregg and Power are NT's
Dorsey can play in both but he's had more success in a 3-4
DJ has had more success in a 3-4
TJax has shown a glint (cross fingers)
Bailey looks to be a 5 tech with potential

we are converted and committed to a 3-4 so just let it go.

BigMeatballDave 08-29-2011 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omaha (Post 7859522)
"could of"

ROFLROFLROFL

That is quite common around here.

Mr. Laz 08-29-2011 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omaha (Post 7859522)
"could of"

ROFLROFLROFL

it comes from typing like you talk

In the heartland you say 'could of' or even 'coulda'

I type could of instead of could have all the time

:shrug:

but carry on making fun of the faider troll. :thumb:

Pasta Little Brioni 08-29-2011 11:37 AM

Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

whoman69 08-29-2011 12:51 PM

Is it 2009 again and nobody told me?

Gonzo 08-29-2011 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AutumnWind (Post 7859506)
Think of the 4-3 you guys could of had if you kept Allen.

Think of the running game you guys "could of" had if YOU kept Allen....

LMAO

Mr. Laz 08-29-2011 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 7860014)
Think of the running game you guys "could of" had if YOU kept Allen....

LMAO

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Gonzo 08-29-2011 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 7860021)
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beach tribe 08-29-2011 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AutumnWind (Post 7859506)
Think of the 4-3 you guys could of had if you kept Allen.

At least we got Charles out of the deal. You lost your best offensive, and defensive players, and got absolutely nothing.

My God your franchise is a joke.

Reerun_KC 08-29-2011 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 7859134)
IMO we have decent personnel to run a 4-3 or any even front scheme.

DE: gilberry/Hali/Bailey
DT: dorsey/gregg/powe
MLB: dj/belcher/williams
OLB: houston/miller/sheffield

DJ can be played at OLB in a even scheme, since he is one of the better coverage LB's I have seen to date. Problem is our LB's dont have much size for a 3-4 scheme, and out of our 3 DL, none require a double team. I think gilberry/hali on the ends would let us rush the passer with 4, and use our more mobile LB's in coverage. Dorsey back to a 3 tech DT, with gregg/powe helps vs interior runs too. Most teams that dominate odd fronts have beastly DL, and linebackers that look like they lift weights. Our LB's look like they go to planet fitness.

Just a thought.

Will try in Madden 12 tonight, to verify lol.

ROFL

Yeah if it works in Madden then it should work in real life...

Rasputin 08-29-2011 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 7859720)
Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

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penguinz 08-29-2011 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AutumnWind (Post 7859506)
Think of the 4-3 you guys could of had if you kept Allen.

Jared Allen is too busy liying about walking up on 3 mountain lions sunbathing on a rock.

Omaha 08-29-2011 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 7859698)
it comes from typing like you talk

In the heartland you say 'could of' or even 'coulda'

I type could of instead of could have all the time

:shrug:

but carry on making fun of the faider troll. :thumb:

I think "could've" is what you're really saying. :thumb:

Mr. Laz 08-29-2011 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omaha (Post 7860967)
I think "could've" is what you're really saying. :thumb:

Kate Moss is fat.

veist 08-29-2011 04:43 PM

In addition to everything else that has been mentioned the strength of the 3-4 is you can be creative with how you generate pressure and who you put into coverage. Its certainly nice to have the flexibility to be even more creative with personnel groupings by having those 4-3 sub packages while the base defense being a creative 3-4 front. Bottom line: We have a guy that is creative with his defensive scheming and knows his shit in the 3-4 why marginalize him by switching to a 4-3 base?

Easy 6 08-29-2011 04:51 PM

Because it works & its more versatile than a 4-3?

ToxSocks 08-29-2011 04:51 PM

I agree. We should move to the 4-6-1


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