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Mr. Laz 09-01-2011 09:57 PM

So I take it that Stanzi is injured?
 
Surely the Chiefs would want to get Stanzi some work if he was healthy.

SPchief 09-01-2011 09:57 PM

Didn't want to start any controversy

Marcellus 09-01-2011 09:58 PM

I see it more like they wanted to see more of Palko to decide if they need to find another #2 before the season.

Question answered.

Bugeater 09-01-2011 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPchief (Post 7872838)
Didn't want to start any controversy

I'm going with this.

aturnis 09-01-2011 09:59 PM

Or they were giving Palko all the reps he could get in case Cassel can't go week 1.

Gadzooks 09-01-2011 10:00 PM

Maybe they're trying to sneak Stanzi on to the PS.

BossChief 09-01-2011 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 7872856)
Or they were giving Palko all the reps he could get in case Cassel can't go week 1.

this is pretty much how I see it.

Marcellus 09-01-2011 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPchief (Post 7872838)
Didn't want to start any controversy

I said it in the game thread when you posted this but it got lost pretty quick with all the posting.

If you think Pioli and Haley give a shit what the fans think you are wrong.

If you think the players on the team want to go into the season with an untested rookie QB you are wrong.

Fans can't start a QB controversy. It wouldn't matter if Stanzi came in and won the game going 20 -20 and 2 Td's. There would be no controversy except here, meaning no controversy.

You give too much credit to what you and CP thinks when it comes to actual decision making and what most fans think.

Rasputin 09-01-2011 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 7872843)
I see it more like they wanted to see more of Palko to decide if they need to find another #2 before the season.

Question answered.

Yea, almost wish that was the case. Unfortunatly I think they are planning on using him incase Cassel goes down in regular season and only wanted him get as manny reps as possible. The worst part is we missed out on seeing Stanzi in action. Inexcusable for not giving Stanzi the opportunity.

RealSNR 09-01-2011 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 7872861)
Maybe they're trying to sneak Stanzi on to the PS.

I'm going to poop in your mouth

tk13 09-01-2011 10:03 PM

I have to say, I haven't been following this place close enough... I definitely missed the moment where Stanzi became the messiah he's being treated like tonight. And I like what I've seen from him, he seems very composed in the pocket considering we aren't pass blocking anyone for crap.

There was never going to be any controversy though. He could've played with the starters tonight, there was never going to be any controversy. Maybe next year. He's a 5th round pick playing after a short training camp. You could've called that one on draft day though. We could draft a QB in the 7th round and we can't make it through 4 preseason games without some drummed up controversy. I cannot imagine if we ever drafted someone like Luck. People would literally be going insane.

SPchief 09-01-2011 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 7872872)
I said it in the game thread when you posted this but it got lost pretty quick with all the posting.

If you think Pioli and Haley give a shit what the fans think you are wrong.

If you think the players on the team want to go into the season with an untested rookie QB you are wrong.

Fans can't start a QB controversy. It wouldn't matter if Stanzi came in and won the game going 20 -20 and 2 Td's. There would be no controversy except here, meaning no controversy.

You give too much credit to what you and CP thinks when it comes to actual decision making and what most fans think.

You're wrong, it was to not create a controversy

Hammock Parties 09-01-2011 10:04 PM

he's got a broken heart

Reerun_KC 09-01-2011 10:04 PM

He's a 5th round pick. I dot give a shit if he is injured or not. He isn't startig most likely won't seethe filed this season. So it really doesn't matter.

RealSNR 09-01-2011 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 7872882)
I have to say, I haven't been following this place close enough... I definitely missed the moment where Stanzi became the messiah he's being treated like tonight. And I like what I've seen from him, he seems very composed in the pocket considering we aren't pass blocking anyone for crap.

There was never going to be any controversy though. He could've played with the starters tonight, there was never going to be any controversy. Maybe next year. He's a 5th round pick playing after a short training camp. You could've called that one on draft day though. We could draft a QB in the 7th round and we can't make it through 4 preseason games without some drummed up controversy. I cannot imagine if we ever drafted someone like Luck. People would literally be going insane.

It's just a damn shame. That the best looking (didn't say currently the best) and most composed QB on our roster is the 3rd stringer. It also makes me wonder if he'll get a fair shake next year if he starts to REALLY make Cassel look pathetic.

Marcellus 09-01-2011 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPchief (Post 7872883)
You're wrong, it was to not create a controversy

You don't know what the hell you are talking about.

As stated by someone else a 5th round developmental QB is not going to start a QB controversy no matter how bad you want to believe it.

Going into the season with Stanzi would be like rebuilding the year after winning the division.

Just dumb.

Reerun_KC 09-01-2011 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPchief (Post 7872883)
You're wrong, it was to not create a controversy

Yeah pretty sure that was it. Good god where do u people come up with this shit?

SPchief 09-01-2011 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 7872893)
You don't know what the hell you are talking about.

As stated by someone else a 5th round developmental QB is not going to start a QB controversy no matter how bad you want to believe it.

Going into the season with Stanzi would be like rebuilding the year after winning the division.

Just dumb.

Wrong

BossChief 09-01-2011 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 7872874)
Yea, almost wish that was the case. Unfortunatly I think they are planning on using him incase Cassel goes down in regular season and only wanted him get as manny reps as possible. The worst part is we missed out on seeing Stanzi in action. Inexcusable for not giving Stanzi the opportunity.

his time will come, but for now its Cassels time.

He has earned the right to prove himself this year.

Rasputin 09-01-2011 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 7872893)
You don't know what the hell you are talking about.

As stated by someone else a 5th round developmental QB is not going to start a QB controversy no matter how bad you want to believe it.

Going into the season with Stanzi would be like rebuilding the year after winning the division.

Just dumb.

At least it would give us a jump start for season 2012-2013 &2014. Rather than starting him after another year of failure from Cassel.

Marcellus 09-01-2011 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPchief (Post 7872902)
Wrong

Very well thought out response with great reasoning.

Extra Point 09-01-2011 10:09 PM

Entropy is now a Haley thang!

Rasputin 09-01-2011 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7872903)
his time will come, but for now its Cassels time.

He has earned the right to prove himself this year.

Cassel has earned it I agree, I just don't have faith in him is all.

Marcellus 09-01-2011 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 7872906)
At least it would give us a jump start for season 2012-2013 &2014. Rather than starting him after another year of failure from Cassel.

No thanks. I will give Cassel one more year to improve and Stanzi is still there with a year of practice and learning if need be.

SPchief 09-01-2011 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 7872907)
Very well thought out response with great reasoning.

You didn't pick up the sarcasm, sorry

Okie_Apparition 09-01-2011 10:11 PM

Please tweet an MRI of your heart so we can see if it has been ripped from yhour chest

Marcellus 09-01-2011 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPchief (Post 7872922)
You didn't pick up the sarcasm, sorry

Well, just damn it then.

kysirsoze 09-01-2011 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPchief (Post 7872922)
You didn't pick up the sarcasm, sorry

Yeah, it was laid on pretty thick.

Reerun_KC 09-01-2011 10:15 PM

Btw laz? Where did you get the Information the stanza was hurt?

Smed1065 09-01-2011 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okie_Apparition (Post 7872923)
Please tweet an MRI of your heart so we can see if it has been ripped from yhour chest

Must have been. I mean maybe they know Stanzi is the shitz already.

I read it here.

tk13 09-01-2011 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 7872890)
It's just a damn shame. That the best looking (didn't say currently the best) and most composed QB on our roster is the 3rd stringer. It also makes me wonder if he'll get a fair shake next year if he starts to REALLY make Cassel look pathetic.

I wouldn't go that far. Give him a year to sit back and learn the playbook and speed of the game. He's a good talent but the dude is not Andrew Luck. Or probably even Jimmy Clausen. Maybe I'm wrong... but if I am that's good because a 5th round pick coming in and playing like a top 25 QB with no professional experience and hardly any summer practice/camp means the guy is probably a HOF'er and Pioli is a genius.

He was 18/34, 53%, 1 TD/1 INT with 9 sacks this preseason.

notorious 09-01-2011 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 7872886)
He's a 5th round pick. I dot give a shit if he is injured or not. He isn't startig most likely won't seethe filed this season. So it really doesn't matter.

Damnit Reerun, we were going to have fun with this until you had to say something logical.

Hammock Parties 09-01-2011 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 7872955)

He was 18/34, 53%, 1 TD/1 INT with 9 sacks this preseason.

Misleading stats.

When he had time to throw he was awesome.

He made the best throws of all the QBs on the roster.

Tribal Warfare 09-01-2011 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 7872872)

If you think Pioli and Haley give a shit what the fans think you are wrong.

.

It ****s with Cassel though

tk13 09-01-2011 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7872973)
Misleading stats.

When he had time to throw he was awesome.

He made the best throws of all the QBs on the roster.


You may very well be right. Then again, I'm not sure what gives you confidence that he is going to have time to throw. But I am very concerned about our RT situation.

I do think he'd probably be exposed a bit if he played full time. It's just like the bench player everyone screams to play everyday, then he does and everyone realizes he wasn't ready. But I'm probably just cynical. I find it hard to believe a 5th round rookie can come in with hardly any NFL work at all and play great. Or even average. That's almost unheard of. If he can more power to him I say.

jd1020 09-01-2011 10:31 PM

Wish I knew why Haley didn't play Stanzi. There's only so much you can learn from a playbook and film reels. If Cassel is down why the hell shouldnt he get some playing time? It's not like its going to hurt him.

RealSNR 09-01-2011 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 7872955)
I wouldn't go that far. Give him a year to sit back and learn the playbook and speed of the game. He's a good talent but the dude is not Andrew Luck. Or probably even Jimmy Clausen. Maybe I'm wrong... but if I am that's good because a 5th round pick coming in and playing like a top 25 QB with no professional experience and hardly any summer practice/camp means the guy is probably a HOF'er and Pioli is a genius.

He was 18/34, 53%, 1 TD/1 INT with 9 sacks this preseason.

There's such great demand for hope at the QB position that Stanzi, through his good play in spite of his lack of experience, playbook exposure, practice, and protection and time to throw the ball, has earned hero status among a few Chiefs fans.

I mean, what if he's even as good as a Marc Bulger? That right there is ****ing AWESOME for this franchise. That's an upgrade over Cassel, and might be enough to push us to elite status.

4th and Long 09-01-2011 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 7873007)
It's not like its going to hurt him.

Nah. That could never happen.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/02/sp...e-injured.html

Marcellus 09-01-2011 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 7873014)
There's such great demand for hope at the QB position that Stanzi, through his good play in spite of his lack of experience, playbook exposure, practice, and protection and time to throw the ball, has earned hero status among a few Chiefs fans.

I mean, what if he's even as good as a Marc Bulger? That right there is ****ing AWESOME for this franchise. That's an upgrade over Cassel, and might be enough to push us to elite status.

Damn that would be awesome. You think that's possible?

jd1020 09-01-2011 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4th and Long (Post 7873018)

Lets prevent him from seeing playing time because he might literally get injured. I'm sure he'd have plenty of time to recover sinces hes 3rd on the depth chart.

tk13 09-01-2011 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 7873014)
There's such great demand for hope at the QB position that Stanzi, through his good play in spite of his lack of experience, playbook exposure, practice, and protection and time to throw the ball, has earned hero status among a few Chiefs fans.

I mean, what if he's even as good as a Marc Bulger? That right there is ****ing AWESOME for this franchise. That's an upgrade over Cassel, and might be enough to push us to elite status.

I think that'd be great. That might be a very good comparison.

But even Bulger didn't play in a game until his third season in the league.

Smed1065 09-01-2011 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 7872834)
Surely the Chiefs would want to get Stanzi some work if he was healthy.

Why? They have your boy..........Or decided to switch now?

Smed1065 09-01-2011 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 7873033)
I think that'd be great. That might be a very good comparison.

But even Bulger didn't play in a game until his third season in the league.

Did he bag groceries? Hand, eye cord.

Marcellus 09-01-2011 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 7873033)
I think that'd be great. That might be a very good comparison.

But even Bulger didn't play in a game until his third season in the league.

Really? Bulger is what we are looking for?

nose 09-01-2011 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 7872843)
I see it more like they wanted to see more of Palko to decide if they need to find another #2 before the season.

Question answered.

Stanzi should be ATLEAST the #2!! So FAIL!!

Bewbies 09-01-2011 10:46 PM

I can't wait for the day Cassel is gone. I await that day just a little bit less than when Cassel looks like a QB as good as his pay rate.

But there's no way I would say he hasn't earned a shot this year, and there's no way I would play Stanzi over him with the choice.

Stanzi needs to sit and learn. If Cassel sucks this year we can discuss the merit of handing the team to a 5th round pick, or if we should draft a QB high if given the chance. OR maybe Cassel will improve and will look like a guy we could win some playoff games with.... LMAO

Smed1065 09-01-2011 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7872903)
his time will come, but for now its Cassels time.

He has earned the right to prove himself this year.

As well as the other 250 QB's that should have.

I do not see you as that shallow but am seeing that you are.

Site on and suck facts on the way.

BWillie 09-02-2011 12:09 AM

honest to god if it was stanzi out there today instead of palko and they played the exact same way, ppl would have said stanzi played a gritty game and the interceptions weren't his fault

Smed1065 09-02-2011 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 7873257)
honest to god if it was stanzi out there today instead of palko and they played the exact same way, ppl would have said stanzi played a gritty game and the interceptions weren't his fault

Well unless it was true and accurate.

(Boss excuses here)

BossChief 09-02-2011 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smed1065 (Post 7873201)
As well as the other 250 QB's that should have.

I do not see you as that shallow but am seeing that you are.

Site on and suck facts on the way.

by game 6 of next year, we will either be in full blown superbowl contender mode, or the QB contravercy will be in full swing.

Smed1065 09-02-2011 12:37 AM

Sorry, Just heard the savior is here for 20 years. Yeah, go TG but win please.

Like your spirit but also have to ask why....

BossChief 09-02-2011 12:45 AM

anybody have a smed decoder ring?

Smed1065 09-02-2011 12:49 AM

I do.

I hope he works out but to hope the 3rd stringer is a savior after no play is kinda short sighted. I like him but ..

I do not suck his dick like some.

Smed1065 09-02-2011 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7873302)
anybody have a smed decoder ring?

Everyone has your decoder. Suck my Boys dick..

Smed1065 09-02-2011 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7873289)
by game 6 of next year, we will either be in full blown superbowl contender mode, or the QB contravercy will be in full swing.

So when faced with facts, you got lost.. :thumb:

Smed1065 09-02-2011 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7873289)
by game 6 of next year, we will either be in full blown superbowl contender mode, or the QB contravercy will be in full swing.

LOL

OK you are right. Check back after reality.

Use to like you but you blow like Raiders bout now.

BossChief 09-02-2011 12:59 AM

Smeds high as ****

Smed1065 09-02-2011 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7873316)
Smeds high as ****

Might be but that's a compliment. Least mine is smoke related and not a dick smoker for Nebraska, Omaha or Oh, Pheasants.

Smed1065 09-02-2011 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7873316)
Smeds high as ****

Like you are not? Nut hugger for who? Oh Iowa-Only thing I done there is hunt pheasant.

BossChief 09-02-2011 01:03 AM

So, this is an Iowa thing?

ok...

Smed1065 09-02-2011 01:10 AM

No. I do not watch college ball much, but to have a hardon for one and hate the rest is funny.

I mean maybe you like some but lately seems like they all need a chance? Its the NFL and they need to earn it here, not be a fan fav......

BossChief 09-02-2011 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smed1065 (Post 7873323)
No. I do not watch college ball much, but to have a hardon for one and hate the rest is funny.

I mean maybe you like some but lately seems like they all need a chance? Its the NFL and they need to earn it here, not be a fan fav......

Hate for the rest?

what are you talking about?

...

These are the things I think Dick is superior to Matt at:

Arm strength
Accuracy
Ability/mentality to push it down the field
pocket presence
mechanics
poise
ability to go through multiple reads to find the open man
touch
release speed
footwork

My hope is that they make each other better over the next few years and that one of them wins us some ****ing playoff games.

Dont care which one.

Smed1065 09-02-2011 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7873332)
Hate for the rest?

what are you talking about?

...

These are the things I think Dick is superior to Matt at:

Arm strength
Accuracy
Ability/mentality to push it down the field
pocket presence
mechanics
poise
ability to go through multiple reads to find the open man
touch
release speed
footwork

My hope is that they make each other better over the next few years and that one of them wins us some ****ing playoff games.

Dont care which one.

I agree. He is better than the starter. I am open minded but the "savior" was here before you started here, No disrespect.

I like Stanzi but I am no coach. Just had to rub in after tonight.
I can not figure out why he was not started. No Homo.

keg in kc 09-02-2011 03:47 AM

While I was watching the game (I fell asleep right after, hence not posting until now) and my impression was that they were taking a long look at Palko to either a) assess whether or not he can act as the team's primary backup, or b) try and showcase him for a possible trade scenario.

My guess is that they already know they're keeping Stanzi as the 3rd quarterback on the 53, and that it was more important for them to ascertain whether Palko could play in Cassel's stead, and whether or not they need to find some kind of veteran replacement either after the final cuts or via a trade of their own.

Looking at it in that light, I think playing Palko the way they did was absolutely the correct approach.

CrazyPhuD 09-02-2011 03:49 AM

It's the 4th preseason game. Like most teams we want to rest our starters to make sure they don't get hurt in a meaningless game. That's why I think he didn't play.

ChiefGator 09-02-2011 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7873369)
... my impression was that they were taking a long look at Palko to either a) assess whether or not he can act as the team's primary backup, or b) try and showcase him for a possible trade scenario.

Noone is trading for Palko. Seriously...

I think you weren't totally awake when you posted, Keg.

keg in kc 09-02-2011 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefGator (Post 7873374)
Noone is trading for Palko. Seriously...

I think you weren't totally awake when you posted, Keg.

Basically I was just acknowledging it as a possible scenario in the initial paragraph, albeit a remote one. I think in the second paragraph it should have been pretty clear that I thought that wasn't the case, that I thought it was about seeing whether or not they needed to find another backup.

Hog's Gone Fishin 09-02-2011 04:36 AM

Palko will be cut.Book it

Gonzo 09-02-2011 06:14 AM

I don't think any QB on the Chiefs would be able to do much behind such a weak o-line.
Why the **** we didn't get more help there through FA is beyond me.
Posted via Mobile Device

MahiMike 09-02-2011 06:32 AM

Why play Stanzi? He's not getting cut. Haley had to see what Palko was made of.

Bwana 09-02-2011 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 7873415)
Why play Stanzi? He's not getting cut. Haley had to see what Palko was made of.

Heh, I think he got his answer. Raiduhs

jspchief 09-02-2011 07:12 AM

What about the rest of the players? Stanzi didn't get on the field, but honestly we all know that he's made the team. Sure I wanted to see more of him because he's shown some intriguing stuff when he's been on the field.

But what about all the non starters? I guess the this means the cuts were already decided? The depth charts at every position? The only thing thats more strange than exposing the first teams for the entire game is not giving rookies and reserves a chance to show what they have one final time.

That was some odd stuff last night. I've been critical of Haley before and been proven wrong, but ffs I hope he knows what he's doing here,

Chiefnj2 09-02-2011 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 7873453)
I guess the this means the cuts were already decided? The depth charts at every position?


Apparently so.

Chief Faithful 09-02-2011 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7873369)
While I was watching the game (I fell asleep right after, hence not posting until now) and my impression was that they were taking a long look at Palko to either a) assess whether or not he can act as the team's primary backup, or b) try and showcase him for a possible trade scenario.

My guess is that they already know they're keeping Stanzi as the 3rd quarterback on the 53, and that it was more important for them to ascertain whether Palko could play in Cassel's stead, and whether or not they need to find some kind of veteran replacement either after the final cuts or via a trade of their own.

Looking at it in that light, I think playing Palko the way they did was absolutely the correct approach.

:thumb:

TEX 09-02-2011 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 7873409)
I don't think any QB on the Chiefs would be able to do much behind such a weak o-line.
Why the **** we didn't get more help there through FA is beyond me.
Posted via Mobile Device

This. Horrible pass protection.

ChiefsFanatic 09-02-2011 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 7872872)
I said it in the game thread when you posted this but it got lost pretty quick with all the posting.

If you think Pioli and Haley give a shit what the fans think you are wrong.

If you think the players on the team want to go into the season with an untested rookie QB you are wrong.

Fans can't start a QB controversy. It wouldn't matter if Stanzi came in and won the game going 20 -20 and 2 Td's. There would be no controversy except here, meaning no controversy.

You give too much credit to what you and CP thinks when it comes to actual decision making and what most fans think.

You know who can start a controversy? Players. Players who see one quarterbacks poise in the pocket, and his on target throws, and his leadership style in the huddle, and players who see other teams grow very successful starting young quarterbacks.

But us fans don't mean shit to this team. You nailed that one though.

Nightfyre 09-02-2011 09:44 AM

Palko may actually be able to execute the offense at a faster speed than stanzi can yet.

patteeu 09-02-2011 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 7872882)
I have to say, I haven't been following this place close enough... I definitely missed the moment where Stanzi became the messiah he's being treated like tonight. And I like what I've seen from him, he seems very composed in the pocket considering we aren't pass blocking anyone for crap.

I missed that moment too, but I had a fantasy football draft a few days ago with a group that is mostly from other parts of the country and who follow other NFL teams and I was surprised when one of them made a joke about planning to take Stanzi in the first. The "Stanzi as superhero" meme must be pretty widespread.

jspchief 09-02-2011 10:13 AM

I think the point about Stanzi is potential. He's shown more in limited snaps than Palko has over the course of a couple years.

Watching Palko piss the game down his leg while an exciting rookie prospect sits on the bench is frustrating.

Mr. Laz 09-02-2011 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 7873883)
Palko may actually be able to execute the offense at a faster speed than stanzi can yet.

more reason to get Stanzi some reps so he can improve


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