Tamba Hali is criminally underrated
 

Best pass rusher in the league right now, and it isn't really close. The guy gets to the QB on every. Single. Play. He's an unstoppable, unblockable, no quit, high motor player and he puts Jared Allen to shame. I would submit he's the best pass rusher this team has seen since Derrick Thomas. I hope we get a QB and some other pieces in place soon so we don't waste his incredible talent. BEAST. I love watching him play. Easily the biggest bright spot of this season. Hats off to him. :clap:

Bit overrated.

Top 5 sack leaders. Who is #2 and who is #5?

I know the stats. I think he will end up higher on that list. He could easily have another 4 sacks at this point. I'm looking at more than the stats. He terrorizes opposing QBs on every play like Jason Voorhees terrorizes big breasted teenage girls.

I'd still take Allen, if we are comparing prime years. I'd take Ware right now over Hali. Hali is good but hes not the best.

I enjoyed watching Jarad Allen get blown off the line of scrimmage by ALbert yesterday most of all.

One of the rare cool things going on right now is that Houston is learning the ropes while working with Hali. Houston's first step is pretty good in its own right ... if he picks up the work ethic and no-quit that Hali demonstrates, he can become something special.

Meanwhile, I hope that Pioli and Haley are sending tape to the league every week demonstrating how, without fail or deviation, Hali is held 20 times a game. He is grabbed more often in 3 hours than Ms. badgirl's lawnboy's penis.

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I mean, we're talking about great pass rushers here, but I'm happy with who we got. I wouldn't trade him for Ware or Allen.

At least Tamba can stay sober and represent his team and city properly.

Dumbass.

Glad to see you bringing your usually intelligence.

Hali is criminally held on just about every passing play...

Did you see the close up of Allen walking off of the field at the end of the game?

Priceless.

Jared Allen is an anti-clutch defensive player. He padded his "prime years" with meaningless sacks. Tamba has always shown up when the defense needed something. He and Berry were the only ones showing up last year in the playoff game.

Allen, in the biggest game of his career (the NFC championship game), got his ass mauled and destroyed by a rookie left tackle. The guy never did a ****ing thing worth mentioning during his stint in KC and we still have fans giving him a rim job. It's amusing and pathetic.

This is KC so lets be honest, most of the fans are drunken hillbillies. That's why Allen was so popular. Mullet and #69

I never thought this would be the case a few years ago, but I think trading Jared Allen was a great move. For a number of reasons. We got Albert and Charles, and switching to the 3-4 totally helped underachieving players turn their careers around. DJ, Dorsey, and Tamba Hali. Would we have switched to a 3-4 if we kept Allen? I honestly don't know.

This is probably true.

Now this I don't believe. I believe Dorsey would be a MUCH better player if he was used properly in a 4-3.

Regardless of how he was improperly used in the 4-3 by Herm, the switch helped him.

If the Chiefs ever win on a consistent basis, Hali will get the credit her deserves.

Sooo...he'll never get the credit he deserves?

This thread really makes me wish I could remember seeing yesterday's game.

It was all Tamba, all day.

Tamba is one of my favorite Chiefs but I'd take Ware over him in a heartbeat. That's no knock on Tamba but Ware is a freak of nature and a future HOF. When our secondary was complete crap you'd see Tamba just miss getting sacks. Now that our secondary can cover longer Tamba is sack totals are going through the roof. The Cowgirls secondary is horrible but Ware is still a beast and gets his sacks regardless.

KC GETS NO RESPECT!

Is Ware held as often as Hali?

I would have to reserve judgment unless this factor can be taken into account. I have a feeling that Ware (being a Cowgirl and all) likely gets that call whereas Hali (being a Chief and all) likely will not.

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Bob Dole was watching both games with one of his Cowboy-lovin' buddies yesterday. After about the 5th no-call, he told Bob Dole to stop being a homer. Bob Dole told him to watch nothing but 91 and see for himself. He was amazed.

Ware has long arms and is able to push off blocks from what I've seen. I'm the last guy to give any cowgirl players any credit but in Wares case it's warranted.

Hali has 4 more QB hits than Ware, and I would guess he has more pressures/hurries too, though I can't seem to find that stat anywhere. Tamba Hali also has 17 tackles and 8 assists. Ware has 10 tackles and 2 assists.

TAMHOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUSS :):):):):):):)

Hali never takes a snap off....never...

i can't believe how good he's become...you only wish more players had that kind of almost sick drive to perform...

got paid and didn't change

hali is more disruptive than ware

Good point. Bad thing is, it was set up for that to happen this year coming off a division championship and with all the PT games...:banghead:

He's been one of my faves since he came into the league. He led the league in pressures by a mile last year and the AFC in sacks, so it's not a stretch to say he's the best right now at getting after the QB. I haven't seen a pass rusher this year beat his man as consistently as Tamba does.

Hali is one of the best at passrushing but he's average at best at everything else. That still makes him one one the top 3-4 OLB but not top 5.

That tackle he missed against Buffalo was dreadful, I would never expect an elite OLB to miss that bad.

Flowers is still the Chiefs best defensive player.

quality, folks

Allen is a one trick pony. He rushes the passer and that's it. He's a liability in every other facet of the game. He's Gilberry, only not as good against the run.


I think Allen is the most OVERrated DE in football. He does NOT make a defense better.

You suck at watching football.

Ware a future hofer at this point?
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If his career ended today? No. He needs many many more years to be considered HoF worthy.

All this. Allen is a garbage time sack collector that isn't clutch or very good against the run. He's actually quite the liability most of the time. Not to mention he's an idiot in every sense of the word.

My opinion also.
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He's also not bad for a "maxed out" "3rd end" ;)

A replica bloody Tamba jersey should've been a goldmine

I'm just a caveman. I fell on some ice and was later thawed out by some of your scientists. Your world frightens and confuses me. Sometimes the honking horns of your traffic make me want to get out of my BMW and run off into the hills, or wherever. Sometimes when I get a text message on my phone, I wonder: "Did little demons get inside and type it?" I don't know! My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts.

I also don't get the idea the people can judge the performance of a player like Hali in these terms. How is it possible that a fan can know what responsibilities an OLB has on any given play? Is he supposed to cover? If so, who? Is he supposed to play the run gap? If so, which one? Is he supposed to rush the passer? Is it supposed to be a stunt? Take the outside angle? Freelance based on the tackle's first move?

All I know is that Hali has no quit in him, apparently. That, and he stayed home on a reverse to his side yesterday when everybody else was sucking on Erick Hicks lozenges.

He's handled the move to OLB pretty darn well, in my view ... probably as well as anyone could under the circumstances. Therefore, I hereby award Tamba Hali the Big Gbanga Award in recognition of his patented quarterback smash move.

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all this.


..when he was drafted, that was why..he was humble, hard worker and had an unbelievable motor...just never stops pursuing the ball....his hand work is just awesome... the second the olinemen's hands come up, he's knocking them away...remember that vid of him training?

...we're damn fortunate to have him.

Allen never got a sack in the 4th quarter for us.

Lol, my opinion of Hali is in fact shared by many many experts.

And Flowers as it has been said is playing just as well as last year. But some idiots like you think because he's allowed a few touchdowns to Calvin freaking Johnson and against the Bills too he has been playing bad... NO.

And by the way FAX you have way too much time on your hands to write like that to insult me.

Actually, that didn't take much time at all.

Did it one-handed, too.

Besides, I wasn't insulting you. Just can't see how people can make judgments when they don't know the play or the responsibilities involved. Everybody does it from time to time ... including me.

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Hum, OK.

Flowers may not even be the best CB on the team, let alone the best defensive player. The best defensive player on the Chiefs is currently out for the year with a torn ACL.

Are those the same experts that call Derrick Johnson our rush backer and insist over and over and over again that Brandon Albert should be moved to LG where he's supposedly more comfortable because he played two years there in college?

Also, you didn't really use any stats or evidence to prove your opinion. You just said, "Tamba isn't the best defensive player on this team" and then walked away.

Also, you're still a goddamn idiot.

You can make an argument for Berry but I disagree that he is the best player. He might have become the best one later on had he played but last year he was certainly not better than Hali, Flowers and maybe Johnson.

:spock:

Oh seriously Flower is a great player, I don't have time to show you but go around the internet and you'll see fans and experts think very highly of him (many think he's a top 5 CB). It was even said he was just as good as Revis and Asomugha before getting injured last season. And I know he has allowed 4-5 TDs this year.

Flowers is awesome, but if QBs can sit in the pocket all day, it doesn't really matter. Without Hali, our pass rush would be an absolute joke.

Moving to the 3-4 has worked out great for Hali, and mainly because Hali has made the most of it.

There was a lot of drama on here when he got drafted, sure glad Carl got this one right.

What he said.....

:LOL: /Keyrock “Caveman Lawyer”

Look, that's just my opinion. When I watch the Chiefs, I feel like Flowers is doing a better job at what a cornerback is supposed to do than Hali at OLB.

You should know that stats are not the best way to judge a CB and even then I don't have time to look for them.

It's mostly my eye test that says that Flowers is better and trust me I'm far from the only one to think so, if you disagree with it fine, most Chiefs fans probably also think Hali is better.

It's also with my eye test that I considered Jamaal Charles and McFadden better RBs than Arian Foster last year despite the stats. Just more speed, more elusiveness and most of all better vision.

Flowers has been outplayed by Carr since the end of last season. Time to get your eyes checked.

Just start a thread about it already. LMAO

:p

tardful statement.
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Pretty much exactly what I was going to post. I'd take Tamba anyday over JA, and I really like JA. But Tamba is amazing. Take away his efforts and we probably lose yesterday (dammit).

Hali certainly went into beast mode in the final minutes of the Viking game.


How wonder how many people around here were cussing him for it?

Everyone who bought a S4L T-shirt.

You'll see.

Just as everything you post.....

I think he's great but not a top 5 pass rusher.
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He was 1 sack short of being the top rusher last year lol. And he got held on every other damn play. He's in the top 5 currently. How is he not a top 5?

#91 is a freak. Anyone who doesn't have love for Tamba has issuses.

Tamba just needs to STFU and quit being such a chatty Kathy to the press.

Where did he rank last season in terms of sacks in the NFL? Pressures? Do tell dumbass.....

Hali is probably a top 5 passrusher, for sure top 10 but he is not a top 5 OLB.

Who's better?
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When people are talking like it's fact that Tamba Hali isn't a top 5 OLB...I mean what the H man? Christ on a bike, I can't deal with this today.

At passrushing or overall OLB??? For overall OLB, the likes of Ware, Harrison, Wake, Suggs, Matthews are all better or at worst equal to Hali.

Tamba has a better life story.

In what way is Wake better? He's not better in pass rush or coverage.
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That's gotta count for somethin. Can't wait for Don Cheadle to put on 100 pounds to play the role of a lifetime in Tamba Hali: From Poverty in Liberia to Poverty in the AFC West

The only one on that list I'd take over Tamba is MAYBe Matthews. Mostly because he's young.

Hali is a freaking beast.