PFF Grades the Chiefs, Week 4
 

Wow, they got these up fast.

1. Branden Albert - had his best game of the year. Positive grades in run blocking and pass blocking. 0 pressures, sacks or hits allowed.

2. Ryan Lilja was awful and this guy needs to be replaced.

3. Barry Richardson was toasted. -3.4 pass blocking grade and 5 QB pressures.

4. Matt Cassel had an outstanding grade as expected. He also was credited with two sacks.

5. Despite what people are saying, Tyson, Gregg and Dorsey had very average games.

6. Tamba Hali was a freaking BEAST with a +7.4, 7 QB pressures, 2 sacks and 2 hits. AND three stops. That is unheard of.

7. Derrick Johnson and Jovan Belcher continued their excellent play. They combined for nine stops (6 to DJ) and 13 tackles overall.

8. Justin Houston had a terrible game, and only rushed the passer one time. He was beaten 4 times for 66 yards.

9. Sabby Pissandshitty was only on the field for 13 snaps.

10. Donald Washington was on the field for 66 snaps and got roasted, giving up 5 catches for 60 yards in 5 targets.

11. Brandon Flowers did not give up a catch.

Oh yeah, one other thing:

Jared Allen was basically very average despite his two sacks.

And Dwayne Bowe took Chris Cook and Cedric Griffin to school.

Albert's looked good to me this year. I'm sure a certain sack of crap O-line expert would disagree though.

I think he toasted Winfield on the TD too.

He's been very good, yet posters continue to champion the need for a new LT; it's very strange.

What's Albert's ranking as far as LT's go Gif??

I meant to start a thread on Houston's game, or at least mention it somewhere. He had a horrible game, it seemed. He was beaten so badly on the run and the pass that I thought he was going to start belting out, "What's Love Got To Do With It".

Tamba Hali gets paid and still busts it on every play. My love for all things Tamba is growing by the game.

I wish he'd pick it up so I could go around shouting TAMHOOOOOOUUUUUSSSSS

They haven't updated the numbers for every tackle in the league, so this could change, but right now he is 6th overall and 7th in pass blocking. 2 sacks and 2 QBPR allowed.

Albert>Allen. Carl Peterson +1
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Did Jones' dick finaly break the rest the way off & Battle got to play

Looking at Jones forearms...he probably broke his own dick while jerking off.

From a pass blocking standpoint, Albert has only had 3 games his entire career that were better than his 1st and 4th games of this season.

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rook got schooled all day long

I bet he & Muir can finish each other's popping joints

This Lilja thing needs to be blown up. It's a pretty huge negative against Pioli with Waters gone. The guy is basically a bottom 5 guard through 4 games.

The LT fetish is not based on rational thought, but a basic emotional need.

DJ and Belcher are both in the top 10 overall, and Belcher is a top 5 run stopper.

:D Belcher backers assemble

The non-rush 3-4 OLB is a really steep learning curve. We know he has the physical talent, I have no problem giving Houston all year to learn that position as long as he bounces back from a bad game and shows general improvement.

Well I think it's about time that Lilja is replaced. Hudson should be playing there and seeing first hand how to play center.

Yeah my line of thinking is that a guys learns a position faster by playing. Not by sitting on the bench.

Wasn't Lillja near pro-bowl level last year? Should we really give up on him after 4 games this year? Maybe he's just on board with S4L. We need a secret handshake or something.

Why not just let him play center then.

Well I think at this time, the need is higher for a LG than center. Atleast until a little later on in the year when Wiegmann totally wears down.

I still don't get the Waters thing. The guy was a pro bowler, we were a gazillion dollars under the salary cap, and the NFL Network said that NFL players said he was in the top 100 players in the league.

I guess one rationale is that they decided that he was third-best guard on the team and/or they had to get Asamoah on the field for long-term purposes. But if it's the latter case then they judged Lilja to be better than Waters, and a lot of facts would argue otherwise.

I know it was popular around here to say that Waters was no good, but again, a lot of facts would argue otherwise.

Von Miller has an overall SEASON grade of 12.6 as of last week. And it should be higher this week because he added two more sacks to his season total.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...titans-week-3/

Guards tend to hit a wall at a certain age. John Welbourn was good here one year and then fell off a cliff.

It's Pioli's job to anticipate that and right now it looks like another strike against him.

No one gives a shit. Take it to your Donks board, this is a Chiefs grading thread. Von Miller has two pressures all year, which is as many as Allen Bailey. Fantastic pass rusher.

He was a leader on our team too, and a "NFL Man of the Year Award" recipient. Seems to be everything Pioli fantasizes about in a player. I get the feeling that after Carl was canned and Pioli & Co. were brought in, and Waters got all pissed because he got shut out when he tried approaching them during offseason (something like that). That probably lingered in Pioli's mind. I don't know. I can't think of any other reasons. Unless Pioli was gift wrapping him to his ass pals in New England....................................:mad:

He is also 5th in the NFL in sacks despite the fact that he hardly ever rushes, when he does he normally brings down the QB. Tamba never drops into coverage, if Von rushed as many times as Tamba he would be leading the league in sacks.

Play time is over. It's nappy time now.

He has two sacks. Congrats.

He has 4 sacks (as many as Tamba) and two forced fumbles despite rushing 60% less than Tamba does.

Rushes by week:

Miller - 26, 29, 9

Hali - 30, 36, 36, 20

I am guessing Miller rushed 30 times yesterday so you are full of shit.

I stand corrected.

Well, someone has to make the tackles. I suspect he's aided by the fact that there are no other defenders on the team.

I cannot ****ing believe how well Hali has adjusted to LB. I always thought he was to slow and not built for it. (Until last year)
That guy is unbreakable and better than anyone on the field at any given time.
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Through 3 games Tamba rushed almost twice as much as Von. Von probably rushed more than he will in any game all year against Green Bay though.

Player rep with a big mouth.

We all knew Houston would struggle in pass coverage it's cool I still think he's going to be a dominate pass rusher. I don't understand why they aren't letting him go more.

You shouldn't even be posting here as a result of Denver's ability to pick Von Miller. GTFO. Also, nice sample size. When/If Von miller has a three year portfolio as Hali has had, then you can talk.

Yeah ... Waters was probably one of the media's "sources close to the locker room". Now he's close to somebody else's locker room while we give a young guy his position.

FAX

I thought at minimum they could convert Waters to RT. Shields played some LT when needed, Waters could do the same. He might be near the end of the road, but he's better than what we have. Since the cap doesn't come into play there was no reason not to keep him at least for depth.

For this D-line average is an improvement. I'll take it.

Yeah Piss was only in our 3rd down package along with a couple others like Cameron Sheffield.

Mitch said the d-line played well last Sunday. He said they "hammered down" and "held the fort" and "took out the garbage" and "closed the car door on AP's pecker" and stuff like that.

FAX

yes, but don't interrupt another dumbass rant by goatboy. He doesn't like it.

yea, but he's getting owned in the running game too.

It's not a rant. It's fact. Lilja is garbage this year, Waters is playing well in NE.

All of these make my Johnson semi-hard. Love to see our young stars doing well.

And how about Carr's grade? He did get beat for the two TDs..

If you want to call either of them him being beat for TDs... The first pass he had good coverage, but no coverage is good enough for that pass. The second one looked like an incomplete pass to me.

That second TD was a scoop of bullcrap on a bed of cabbagecrap served with a heaping helping of just plain crap.

FAX

Yeah I know right?

The reason they don't send him after the QB more?

Agreed
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While I thought his coverage was pretty good on that play, it could have been better. You can see at the point right before Aromashedu (sp?) dove for the ball he created a couple feet of separation from Carr.. And on the other one, TD or not, it counted and he was the man covering on the play.

I'm a Carr fan so I'm not arguing that he's not good. If you told me we'd have Flowers and Carr at the CB spots for the next 5 years I'd be totally fine with that. Yesterday just wasn't Carr's best game.

+7.4 is a ridiculous grade, I can't overstate that enough.

Last year Shaun Phillips' grade for the SEASON was 4.8.

I wonder what kind of grade PFF would have given DT against the Seahawks during his 7-sack game. Probably +15 or +20.

and Waters starts for the Patriots...

The Lilja signing was always overrated. Starting on the Colts OL really doesn't mean that much when the QB is always audibling into favorable protections and plays. He was a fine stopgap for last year, but he doesn't really have any business on the field this year.

I am actually liking, if everyone comes back healthy/gets resigned, the way this team could look in the next couple years. Of course that all depends on the qb, but the defense is shaping up nicely. With Tamba, Berry, DJ, the corners, and the dline finally showing some live this has a good chance to be a strong defense. The same could be said about the O. The oline has played well this year imo, and is a LG and C, which could be already on the team, away from being solid.

As much as I hate to say it, If we could somehow get Andrew Luck to fall into our laps it would be crazy. He really couldn't ask for a better situation to come into the NFL in my opinion.

Waters looks good because he is playing for Brady....


and Albert is playing the best ball of his life...the whole 'Cassel sucks because of Albert let's draft a LT' thing is dead and buried....


i'd hoped to see more from Houston, glad they're letting him play though

Belcher and DJ have finally given us a physical presence in the middle of the defense, they cleaned up a lot of plays...

this team is basically perfect for a young QB, assuming Charles comes back fine...

I think it can be assumed that DJ and Belcher s upped play is the direct cause of a capable NT in front of them. Gregg has played ok but Gordon in my opinion, has played very well so far. If Powe is what he showed in the PS and learns a little something from seeing K. Gregg play there him and Gordon could make a good rotation.

I hadn't thought about it until now but it really is. Young receivers and offensive players that he could grow with. Hell the Oline is pretty young sans the LG and C, who are on the way out. While I don't think there is any way in hell it was planned this way, if Pioli lucks into a franchise qb this year he is gonna look like a ****ing genius.

BTW I mentioned it in another thread, but Arkansas has a rb right now, Broderick Green, who played at full strength Saturday 6 months removed from tearing his ACL.

nice!!!!:D

Subliminal messaging, didn't even notice. Well there ya go it's in the stars I guess.

Wrong. PFF grades on an individual basis. Waters is also run blocking well.

Isn't it about time to give Gaither a go with how bad Richardson has been?

Yes. Gaither has looked better in limited time this year than Richardson has in 2 years. He's gotta be in shape by now, Gaither that is.

Only 5 RTs have given up more pressures than Richardson.

Next week should be his end against Mathis.

It's ironic that now that Muir is the OC and is likely spending a little less time with the OL, it has drastically improved this year.

I dunno about drastic. Richardson and Lilja have been shit. The others have been good though.

Richardson has been better this year than he was last year. Lilja on the other hand has been a bag of crap.

He's a blitzer, you dumbass.

You mean when he rushes it a surprise attack? Oh, ok.

Cassel is now the 20th rated QB.

Sad to say...the Hamas prophesy rolls on.

He never blitzes. He is a DE most of the time in our nickle package.