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Start Croyle 10-25-2011 10:22 AM

Stupid decisions ruin the NFL!
 
We are all big football fans on this forum. But there are some things I just hate about the game today! I say that the biggest problem in the league is how meaningless PR decisions have become a controlling factor for many teams, rather than commitments to teamwork and team development!

What am I talking about? Well...

I hate how so many teams just change QBs on a whim in the middle of a season to try to appease the fan base. They want to sell more tickets by looking like they're "DOING SOMETHING" and so they hurt the team by making random changes! Look at Washington, Oakland, Indianapolis and Denver. They are struggling to win, so instead of trying to improve by committing to teamwork and continuity, they randomly throw new QBs into the system and just hope something sticks.

This is stupid!

Everybody knows that you can't just sign a QB to a team and put him in five days later and magically expect that the team will improve. Do you remember during the lockout controversy, how Peyton Manning said that he wanted to make sure that long training camps and team activities were kept on the table? His reason for this was because he said it was absolutely necessary to maintain a high level of play! Practice and teamwork are much more important than individual talent! You can't just randomly keep putting new players in hoping that they will cause a spark! Sorry, but it just doesn't work that way! If you think it does, you are an ignorant fan!


The same is true for coaches. Why do teams stupidly fire their coach in the middle of the season, as if this will somehow bring an improvement? It doesn't! If a team happens to win a game after that, it's just luck!

BigCatDaddy 10-25-2011 10:24 AM

I agree with your last sentence.

Never mind you edited it.

Dr. Johnny Fever 10-25-2011 10:25 AM

Says a guy named Start Croyle.

sedated 10-25-2011 10:27 AM

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bevischief 10-25-2011 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beer me (Post 8047656)
Says a guy named Start Croyle.

ROFL

loochy 10-25-2011 10:30 AM

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Molitoth 10-25-2011 10:37 AM

When owners are losing money, they want to create a spark. Your typical team leaders are your coach and your QB. If neither are getting the job done, they are replaced.

How is this not simple understanding?

tooge 10-25-2011 10:39 AM

Are you 11 years old or reeruned? Just asking. It's ok if you are either or both.

Okie_Apparition 10-25-2011 10:42 AM

I'm not sure any coach should lose their jobs after the lockout. Too much bad football all aournd. Sparano shold just quit

gpsdude 10-25-2011 10:50 AM

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Sofa King 10-25-2011 10:54 AM

You have ****ing brain damage.

Start Croyle 10-25-2011 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 8047689)
When owners are losing money, they want to create a spark. Your typical team leaders are your coach and your QB. If neither are getting the job done, they are replaced.

How is this not simple understanding?

Sure, I understand this and agree with it. But it is really dumb to do it when there is nothing to be gained! It is incomprehensible to change QBs week to week, or even half-to-half in a game. It makes sense to change QBs and coaches when they do not achieve results, but to aimlessly throw new QBs into the mix without practice and expecting success is just moronic! Firing and hiring new coaches without planning and teamwork is just idiotic!

It's just a pretend, PR version of the sensible decision!

Mama Hip Rockets 10-25-2011 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beer me (Post 8047656)
Says a guy named Start Croyle.

Remarkably ironic.

SPchief 10-25-2011 11:19 AM

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Mama Hip Rockets 10-25-2011 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Start Croyle (Post 8047645)
Look at Washington, Oakland, Indianapolis and Denver.

Uh, Rex Grossman is terrible, Jason Campbell is hurt, Peyton Manning is hurt, and Tim Tebow is a first round draft pick replacing a guy who is having a horrible season and is most famous for having a neckbeard and partying with college chicks.

I don't understand how anyone could have a problem with any of those decisions.

Fish 10-25-2011 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Start Croyle (Post 8047645)
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I hate how so many teams just change QBs on a whim in the middle of a season to try to appease the fan base. They want to sell more tickets by looking like they're "DOING SOMETHING" and so they hurt the team by making random changes! Look at Washington, Oakland, Indianapolis and Denver. They are struggling to win, so instead of trying to improve by committing to teamwork and continuity, they randomly throw new QBs into the system and just hope something sticks.

This is stupid!

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You're a moran.... teams don't make personnel changes to appease the fans. Stab yourself in the face..

Epic Fail 007 10-25-2011 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Start Croyle (Post 8047645)
We are all big football fans on this forum. But there are some things I just hate about the game today! I say that the biggest problem in the league is how meaningless PR decisions have become a controlling factor for many teams, rather than commitments to teamwork and team development!

What am I talking about? Well...

I hate how so many teams just change QBs on a whim in the middle of a season to try to appease the fan base. They want to sell more tickets by looking like they're "DOING SOMETHING" and so they hurt the team by making random changes! Look at Washington, Oakland, Indianapolis and Denver. They are struggling to win, so instead of trying to improve by committing to teamwork and continuity, they randomly throw new QBs into the system and just hope something sticks.

This is stupid!

Everybody knows that you can't just sign a QB to a team and put him in five days later and magically expect that the team will improve. Do you remember during the lockout controversy, how Peyton Manning said that he wanted to make sure that long training camps and team activities were kept on the table? His reason for this was because he said it was absolutely necessary to maintain a high level of play! Practice and teamwork are much more important than individual talent! You can't just randomly keep putting new players in hoping that they will cause a spark! Sorry, but it just doesn't work that way! If you think it does, you are an ignorant fan!


The same is true for coaches. Why do teams stupidly fire their coach in the middle of the season, as if this will somehow bring an improvement? It doesn't! If a team happens to win a game after that, it's just luck!

Your right on everything you say.These assholes are just baggin on you because they don`t like the truth.They think this is madden or some stupid shit like that.It is true most here are very ignorant but I really would not call them fans.

patteeu 10-25-2011 11:34 AM

If Brodie Croyle hadn't been released by the Cardinals, you'd be singing a different tune.

Epic Fail 007 10-25-2011 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 8047847)
You're a moran.... teams don't make personnel changes to appease the fans. Stab yourself in the face..

They do to idiot where the hell have you been

RealSNR 10-25-2011 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by eric007 (Post 8047855)
Your right on everything you say.These assholes are just baggin on you because they don`t like the truth.They think this is madden or some stupid shit like that.It is true most here are very ignorant but I really would not call them fans.

Are you suggesting that no NFL player should ever get benched for any play-related reason whatsoever?

You got Jizzy the reerun out there with 2 TDs and 12 INTs on the year and he has a Kyle Boller-like game. Are you saying for the purposes of "team continuity" (whatever the **** that means) this guy shouldn't get benched until the season ends?

Fish 10-25-2011 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eric007 (Post 8047897)
They do to idiot where the hell have you been

LMAO... Teams don't give two shits about what the fans want. You're a bumbling idiot who can't even form a sentence, let alone deduce the motivations of a professional sports franchise.

Slainte 10-25-2011 11:53 AM

What game today?

whoman69 10-25-2011 12:50 PM

So your suggestion is if something isn't working, stay with it. It just might turn around. Changing managers mid-season in baseball works all the time, but that's not such a system based sport. Usually a coaching change in football would have an asst. serve as an interim. There have been some super bowl winning teams that have switched QBs part way through the season.

bevischief 10-25-2011 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slainte (Post 8047938)
What game today?

patty cake.

loochy 10-25-2011 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8048092)
There have been some super bowl winning teams that have switched QBs part way through the season.

Yeah, like the whole Grbac/Gannon thing, right? :thumb:

orange 10-25-2011 01:11 PM

Am I the only one who thinks "Start Croyle" is a mult-parody of the Chiefs' "True Fan?"


"Hamas," perhaps?

RealSNR 10-25-2011 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 8048159)
Am I the only one who thinks "Start Croyle" is a mult-parody of the Chiefs' "True Fan?"

He's in the Knowmo category right now. We'd all like to believe that people that stupid don't actually exist. However, nobody has been able to prove that they're mults yet.

Bump 10-25-2011 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beer me (Post 8047656)
Says a guy named Start Croyle.

ROFL

Easy 6 10-25-2011 01:17 PM

I totally agree, Kutcher thought that since he was famous again he should act like a typical star & cheat on his wife.

LiveSteam 10-25-2011 01:18 PM

The NFL & football in general has been pussified. & IT SUCKS!
15 years from now, guys will be to big to fast & will suit up with the addition of Velcro & flags.

bevischief 10-25-2011 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 8047847)
You're a moran.... teams don't make personnel changes to appease the fans. Stab yourself in the face..

Cassel is still starting...

SPchief 10-25-2011 01:20 PM

You know you've gone full reerun when eric007 is defending you

Start Croyle 10-30-2011 04:36 PM

Everyone mocked and laughed at me when I made this thread, but you can see from this week's games that I was 100% correct!

First, we see the Denver Broncos, who, during a tough season inexplicably benched their proven franchise QB for an unproven 2nd/3rd stringer and promptly proceeded to get completely destroyed!

Next, the Washington Redskins, who were actually having a good season and were 3-1 on the year! Then their QB had one bad game and they throw in some guy who only played five NFL games in his entire career. The team gets crushed and is completely uncompetitive!

I like what eric007 said, that this isn't Madden. Another analogy is that it's not Fantasy Football, where you bench players just because they had a bad week stat wise.

But the best analogy I can think of is how coaches and NFL management seem to think that QB changes are like relief pitchers in the MLB! Why would you make stupid changes like this? Being the QB of a team requires a lot of practice and reps! Cohesion and planning are extremely important! If you think that you can just throw a guy into the game in the middle of the season, with one week of practice and that he is going to play on the same level as guys who have been starting for the same team for years through multiple training camps...
You!
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an!
idiot!

notorious 10-30-2011 04:38 PM

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milkman 10-30-2011 04:41 PM

You're incredibly stupid.

Orton is a franchsie QB?

Replacing bad QBs with other bad QBs isn't the answer to a team's problems.

But your whole stupid take is just that.

****ing stupid.

kysirsoze 10-30-2011 04:45 PM

How dare they replace Manning. Stick with your guy, Indy!

kstater 10-30-2011 04:47 PM

Oakland and Indy randomly threw new QB's out there to appease the fanbase?

milkman 10-30-2011 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 8061010)
Oakland and Indy randomly threw new QB's out there to appease the fanbase?

The guy is clearly an idiot.

Buck 10-30-2011 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Start Croyle (Post 8060966)
Everyone mocked and laughed at me when I made this thread, but you can see from this week's games that I was 100% correct!

First, we see the Denver Broncos, who, during a tough season inexplicably benched their proven franchise QB for an unproven 2nd/3rd stringer and promptly proceeded to get completely destroyed!

Next, the Washington Redskins, who were actually having a good season and were 3-1 on the year! Then their QB had one bad game and they throw in some guy who only played five NFL games in his entire career. The team gets crushed and is completely uncompetitive!

I like what eric007 said, that this isn't Madden. Another analogy is that it's not Fantasy Football, where you bench players just because they had a bad week stat wise.

But the best analogy I can think of is how coaches and NFL management seem to think that QB changes are like relief pitchers in the MLB! Why would you make stupid changes like this? Being the QB of a team requires a lot of practice and reps! Cohesion and planning are extremely important! If you think that you can just throw a guy into the game in the middle of the season, with one week of practice and that he is going to play on the same level as guys who have been starting for the same team for years through multiple training camps...
You!
are!
an!
idiot!

Your!
And!
Idiot!,
Moran!

kysirsoze 10-30-2011 04:53 PM

I wish I could look up the number of posts calling Start Croyle a dumbass.

Kyle DeLexus 10-30-2011 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 8047842)
Uh, Rex Grossman is terrible, Jason Campbell is hurt, Peyton Manning is hurt, and Tim Tebow is a first round draft pick replacing a guy who is having a horrible season and is most famous for having a neckbeard and partying with college chicks.

I don't understand how anyone could have a problem with any of those decisions.

NO NO NO NO! Campbell needs to be out there playing. His team was just getting used to him so there is no excuse to not play him even if he is on the IR! Grossman, Boller, Collins, and Orton all should have been given enough time to grow into their roles. Those teams are just trying to put fans in the seats and it makes me sick!!!!

ThatRaceCardGuy 10-30-2011 05:09 PM

You lost me with "start Croyle."

ShortRoundChief 10-30-2011 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thatguy (Post 8061100)
You lost me with "start Croyle."

I was wondering if he knew he can pm a mod and request a name change. Perhaps, he really does want to still start Croyle.

Start Croyle 10-30-2011 07:32 PM

I wonder what the chances are of Romo getting benched! Despite the fact that he is a franchise QB, with stats in the top 10 in the league, I have no doubt that many fans and some in the Dallas organization are considering benching him for no-name, has-been, never-was John Kitna!

And all the ignorant fans will cheer if this happens!

milkman 10-30-2011 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Start Croyle (Post 8061528)
I wonder what the chances are of Romo getting benched! Despite the fact that he is a franchise QB, with stats in the top 10 in the league, I have no doubt that many fans and some in the Dallas organization are considering benching him for no-name, has-been, never-was John Kitna!

And all the ignorant fans will cheer if this happens!

Hopeless dumbass.

BigRedChief 10-30-2011 07:36 PM

How are we suppose to take the football opinion of a poster with a "Start Croyle" handle seriously?

milkman 10-30-2011 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 8061540)
How are we suppose to take the football opinion of a poster with a "Start Croyle" handle seriously?

Does it really matter what his name is?

Has he expressed an opinion that should be taken seriously?

GloryDayz 10-30-2011 08:26 PM

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Marcellus 10-30-2011 08:31 PM

I agree with the part about taking out 2 a days from TC and limiting practice.


Pretty dumb shit in my mind and something that can only come from a union.

Unions try to say they are about having the best skilled workers yet they try to make everything easier on the workers.

It don't work like that. This isn't 1930.

stonedstooge 10-30-2011 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 8061661)
I agree with the part about taking out 2 a days from TC and limiting practice.


Pretty dumb shit in my mind and something that can only come from a union.

Unioins try to say they are about having the best skilled workers yet they try to make everything easier on the workers.

It don't work like that. This isn't 1930.

I agree. I think that is why we are seeing so many shitty games this year. Just not enough time on the field in practice

BigRedChief 10-30-2011 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8061547)
Does it really matter what his name is?

Has he expressed an opinion that should be taken seriously?

Just like assholes, everyone has an opinion. Doesn't mean you should start a thread about it.

Owners have to act when the fan base is revolting. Only when season ticket holders stopped renewing and Arrowhead had empty seats did the Hunts show King Carl the door. It wasn't on the field performance, they had sucked for 10 years.

You don't let the fan base run your team but you can't ignore them either.

Marcellus 10-30-2011 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 8061670)
Just like assholes, everyone has an opinion. Doesn't mean you should start a thread about it.

Owners have to act when the fan base is revolting. Only when season ticket holders stopped renewing and Arrowhead had empty seats did the Hunts show King Carl the door. It wasn't on the field performance, they had sucked for 10 years.

You don't let the fan base run your team but you can't ignore them either.

Really?

I don't give a shit what you want to think, a team goes 9-0 they don't stink.

2003 besides the again brutal ending was one of the funnest football seasons I have ever watched. We ****ing schooled teams.

That team was no more flawed than the 90's teams who struggled on offense but got people into it with dominant defense. It was just an opposite issue.

By your logic KC has sucked for 40 years.

FAX 10-30-2011 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 8061677)
Really?

I don't give a shit what you want to think, a team goes 9-0 they don't stink.

2003 besides the again brutal ending was one of the funnest football seasons I have ever watched. We ****ing schooled teams.

That team was no more flawed than the 90's teams who struggled on offense but got people into it with dominant defense. It was just an opposite issue.

By your logic KC has sucked for 40 years.

If you qualify "suck" as missing out on or losing playoff games, we have sucked for 40 years ... or 50.

That's the real issue with the Chiefs. Even when we looked like we could make a run, we were fatally unbalanced. And, of course, our playoff record is horrific.

But, that's why Chiefs fans masturbate a lot, I suppose.

FAX

Marcellus 10-30-2011 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8061739)
If you qualify "suck" as missing out on or losing playoff games, we have sucked for 40 years ... or 50.

That's the real issue with the Chiefs. Even when we looked like we could make a run, we were fatally unbalanced. And, of course, our playoff record is horrific.

But, that's why Chiefs fans masturbate a lot, I suppose.

FAX

Big difference between sucking and getting to Mecca Mr.Fax.

I am not happy as a fan to have never watched my Chiefs in a SB, not happy even a little, but I will be damned if I will allow them to be called sucky for 40 years when they havnen't been sucky for 40 years.

Some damn great Chiefs teams have taken the field over the last 40 years.

Papi 10-30-2011 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Start Croyle (Post 8060966)
Everyone mocked and laughed at me when I made this thread, but you can see from this week's games that I was 100% correct!

First, we see the Denver Broncos, who, during a tough season inexplicably benched their proven franchise QB for an unproven 2nd/3rd stringer and promptly proceeded to get completely destroyed!

Next, the Washington Redskins, who were actually having a good season and were 3-1 on the year! Then their QB had one bad game and they throw in some guy who only played five NFL games in his entire career. The team gets crushed and is completely uncompetitive!

You conveniently failed to acknowledge that Ponder was a winner this week.... so not 100% correct. Also, I understand your argument, but you're wrong.

Start Croyle 12-12-2011 06:38 PM

The Chiefs have made a Stupid Decision(tm) of their own! They have fired their head coach for no justifiable reason at all! I don't even like Todd Haley. It is strange for me to defend him! I'm sure many of the less intelligent fans are citing the losing record and struggles the team has faced as the reason for Haley's departure. But this is not a very good reason to fire Haley right now!

This coaching change was pointless and stupid and only made to create the facade that the organization is doing something! Unfortunately, decisions in the NFL of today seem mostly to be based on emotions and posturing/posing instead of rationality!

Ask yourself these three questions:


1) If this change was made from a competition standpoint, how much more competitive do the Chiefs expect their team can be by firing Haley?

2) If this change is not made for competition, what is the benefit to the franchise by firing their coach RIGHT NOW instead of at least waiting until the end of the season?

3) Who do the Chiefs expect to be able to replace Haley with that is a clear long-term improvement?


I challenge any of you to prove why firing Haley RIGHT NOW makes any sense at all! What did the organization possibly gain by doing this?

htismaqe 12-12-2011 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Start Croyle (Post 8197270)
I challenge any of you to prove why firing Haley RIGHT NOW makes any sense at all! What did the organization possibly gain by doing this?

1. One less person questioning Pioli's idiotic moves.
2. Paves the way for Pioli to hire McDaniels and bring back Cassel.

I can think of more but it's a waste of time.

htismaqe 12-12-2011 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 8061677)
We ****ing schooled teams.

Except that the run defense was one of the worst in the history of football and most of us knew that 9-0 was a mirage that would be crushed in the playoffs.

Hydrae 12-12-2011 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Start Croyle (Post 8197270)
The Chiefs have made a Stupid Decision(tm) of their own! They have fired their head coach for no justifiable reason at all! I don't even like Todd Haley. It is strange for me to defend him! I'm sure many of the less intelligent fans are citing the losing record and struggles the team has faced as the reason for Haley's departure. But this is not a very good reason to fire Haley right now!

This coaching change was pointless and stupid and only made to create the facade that the organization is doing something! Unfortunately, decisions in the NFL of today seem mostly to be based on emotions and posturing/posing instead of rationality!

Ask yourself these three questions:


1) If this change was made from a competition standpoint, how much more competitive do the Chiefs expect their team can be by firing Haley?

2) If this change is not made for competition, what is the benefit to the franchise by firing their coach RIGHT NOW instead of at least waiting until the end of the season?

3) Who do the Chiefs expect to be able to replace Haley with that is a clear long-term improvement?


I challenge any of you to prove why firing Haley RIGHT NOW makes any sense at all! What did the organization possibly gain by doing this?

This firing at this time had nothing to do with competitiveness. It was done because Clark was embarrassed by the actions of the leader of the team yesterday. By allowing him to finish the season, he would have been giving Haley opportunity to do more things that would be an embarrassment to the Hunts, KC and all Chiefs fans.

Just my opinion.


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