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Stewie 11-05-2011 12:43 PM

Penn St ex-coach, others charged in child sex case
 
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP) — A former defensive coordinator who was integral for decades to Penn State's success in football was accused Saturday of sexually abusing eight boys, and the school's athletic director and an administrator were charged with perjury and failing to report what they knew about the allegations in a case that prosecutor said uncovered a years-long trail of a predator and those who protected him.


Former coach Jerry Sandusky, 67, of State College, was arrested Saturday and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts, the state attorney general's office said. Athletic director Tim Curley, 57, and Penn State vice president for finance and business Gary Schultz, 62, both of Boalsburg, were expected to turn themselves in Monday in Harrisburg. Schultz's position includes oversight of the university's police department.


Longtime head coach Joe Paterno, who has more victories than any coach in the history of Division I football, was not charged, authorities said, and the grand jury report did not appear to implicate him in wrongdoing.


When Paterno first learned of one report of abuse he immediately reported it to Curley, prosecutors said. Sandusky was no longer coaching at the time and it's not clear whether Paterno followed up with Curley.


Closely identified with the school's reputation as a defensive powerhouse and a program that produced top-quality linebackers, Sandusky retired in 1999 but continued to work with at-risk children through the nonprofit Second Mile organization he founded in 1977. He was charged with multiple counts of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, corruption of minors, endangering the welfare of a child, indecent assault and unlawful contact with a minor, as well as single counts of aggravated indecent assault and attempted indecent assault. A preliminary hearing for Sandusky is scheduled for Wednesday, but his lawyer told reporters it would likely be delayed.


"He's shaky, as you can expect," defense attorney Joe Amendola told WJAC-TV outside the arraignment hearing. "Being 67 years old, never having faced criminal charges in his life, and having the distinguished career that he's had, these are very serious allegations."


Amendola said Sandusky has been aware of the allegations for about three years and has maintained his innocence.


The allegations range from sexual touching to oral and anal sex, and victims testified they were in their early teens when some of the abuse occurred.


Attorney General Linda Kelly called Sandusky "a sexual predator who used his position within the university and community to repeatedly prey on young boys."


The grand jury said eight boys who were targets of sexual advances or assaults by Sandusky from 1994 to 2009. None were named, and in at least one case, the jury said the child's identity remains unknown to authorities.


One accuser, now 27, testified that Sandusky initiated contact with a "soap battle" in the shower that led to multiple instances of involuntary sexual intercourse and indecent assault at Sandusky's hands, the grand jury report said.


Victim 4, as he was identified in the jury report, said he traveled to charity functions and Penn State games with Sandusky, even being listed as a member of Sandusky's family's party for the 1998 Outback Bowl and 1999 Alamo Bowl.


"Sandusky did threaten to send him home from the Alamo Bowl in Texas when Victim 4 resisted his advances," the report said, and Sandusky gave him clothes, shoes, a snowboard, golf clubs, hockey gear and football jerseys.


"Sandusky even guaranteed Victim 4 that he could be a walk-on player at Penn State," and the boy appeared with Sandusky in a photo in Sports Illustrated, the jury said. He testified that Sandusky once gave him $50 to buy marijuana, drove him to purchase it, and then drove him home as the boy smoked the drug, according to the report.


"This was when Victim 4 was trying to distance himself from Sandusky because he wanted no more sexual contact with him," the jurors said.
Another child, Victim 8, as jurors named him, is known only as a boy, about 11 to 13, who was seen pinned against a wall, by a janitor who observed Sandusky performing oral sex on him in fall 2000, the jury said.
No one answered a knock at the door Saturday at Sandusky's modest, two-story brick home at the end of a dead-end road in State College.


As stunning as the charges were the names implicated at a school where the football program is known for its consistency as much as its success — a big change this year was the removal of white trim from players' uniforms.


The report accuses Curley and Schultz of knowing some details of accusations of sex abuse against Sandusky but failing to tell authorities what they knew.


"It is also a case about high-ranking university officials who allegedly failed to report the sexual assault of a young boy after the information was brought to their attention, and later made false statements to a grand jury," Kelly said.


Lawyers for both men issued statements saying they were innocent of all charges.


Prosecutors said all of the young men first encountered Sandusky through Second Mile.


The first to come to light was a boy who met Sandusky when he was 11 or 12, the grand jury said. The boy received expensive gifts and trips to sports events from Sandusky, and physical contact began during his overnight stays at Sandusky's home, jurors said. Eventually, the boy's mother reported the allegations of sexual assault to his high school, and Sandusky was banned from the child's school district in Clinton County in 2009. That triggered the state investigation that culminated in charges Saturday.


The report alleges much earlier instances of abuse, and efforts by some who knew of it to stop it, to no avail.


Kelly said that in 2002, a graduate assistant saw Sandusky sexually assault a naked boy, estimated to be about 10 years old, in the locker room of the Lasch Football Building on campus. The grad student and his father reported what he saw to Paterno, who immediately told Curley, prosecutors said.


Curley and Schultz met with the graduate assistant about a week and a half later, Kelly said. Nothing happened.


"Despite a powerful eyewitness statement about the sexual assault of a child, this incident was not reported to any law enforcement or child protective agency, as required by Pennsylvania law," Kelly said.


There's no indication that anyone at school attempted to find the boy, or follow up with the witness, she said.


Curley denied that the assistant had reported anything of a sexual nature, calling it "merely 'horsing around,'" the 23-page grand jury report said.
But the jury said Curley was lying, Kelly said, adding that it also deemed portions of Schultz's testimony not to be credible.


Curley testified that he barred Sandusky from bringing children onto campus and that he advised Penn State president Graham Spanier of the matter.


Schultz told the jurors he also knew of a 1998 investigation involving sexually inappropriate behavior by Sandusky with a boy in the showers the football team used. But despite his job overseeing campus police, he never reported the 2002 allegations to any authorities, "never sought or received a police report on the 1998 incident and never attempted to learn the identity of the child in the show in 2002," the jurors wrote.


"No one from the university did so."


Spanier released a statement calling the allegations against Sandusky "troubling" and adding Curley and Schultz had his unconditional support.
He predicted they will be exonerated.


"I have known and worked daily with Tim and Gary for more than 16 years," he said. "I have complete confidence in how they handled the allegations about a former university employee."


Sandusky, once considered a potential successor to Paterno, drew up the defenses for the Nittany Lions' national-title teams in 1982 and 1986. The team is enjoying another successful run this season; at 8-1, Penn State is ranked No. 16 in the AP Top 25 and is the last undefeated squad in Big Ten play. The Nittany Lions were off Saturday.

kstater 11-05-2011 12:45 PM

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FAX 11-05-2011 12:48 PM

Wow. this is huge.

But, can someone explain this to me ... ???

As stunning as the charges were the names implicated at a school where the football program is known for its consistency as much as its success — a big change this year was the removal of white trim from players' uniforms.

... I don't get it.

FAX

jspchief 11-05-2011 12:51 PM

This is all a misunderstanding. It was just a post win celebration with LJ when he still had his diapers on.

Sent from my ADR6350

Fritz88 11-05-2011 12:53 PM

Tamba is sad now.

SPATCH 11-05-2011 12:55 PM

Sounds a lot like the Graham James story

Stewie 11-05-2011 12:58 PM

That's irony to the nth degree.

Hootie 11-05-2011 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8080345)
Wow. this is huge.

But, can someone explain this to me ... ???

As stunning as the charges were the names implicated at a school where the football program is known for its consistency as much as its success — a big change this year was the removal of white trim from players' uniforms.

... I don't get it.

FAX

I re-read that too and was like...ok?

FAX 11-05-2011 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Lover's Pizza Face (Post 8080381)
I re-read that too and was like...ok?

It kind of came out of nowhere.

I guess he's trying to make the "consistency" point, but what does that have to do with the story in the first place?

I don't know ... that just seemed odd to me. Superfluous and unnecessary, too.

FAX

Consistent1 11-05-2011 01:11 PM

That is some sad and crazy shit to apparently went on that much over time.

Consistent1 11-05-2011 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Lover's Pizza Face (Post 8080381)
I re-read that too and was like...ok?

It's just saying the program is crazy conservative in general. Making a point about how this is surprising

FringeNC 11-05-2011 01:38 PM

Although not implicated in any way, can Joe Paterno survive this? Will be a major housecleaning at PSU, I'd imagine.

kstater 11-05-2011 04:30 PM

If this guy is legit, JoPa's legacy might not be his coaching record.

http://twitter.com/#!/SPORTSbyBROOKS

Sure-Oz 11-05-2011 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstater (Post 8080708)
If this guy is legit, JoPa's legacy might not be his coaching record.

http://twitter.com/#!/SPORTSbyBROOKS

Been following this closely, there is a PDF somewhere on twitter that is showing i think Dan Wetzel may have posted it, detailed shit

crossbow 11-05-2011 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stewie (Post 8080335)
He was charged with multiple counts of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, corruption of minors, endangering the welfare of a child, indecent assault and unlawful contact with a minor, as well as single counts of aggravated indecent assault and attempted indecent assault.


I am sure it wasn't intentional.

FAX 11-05-2011 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstater (Post 8080708)
If this guy is legit, JoPa's legacy might not be his coaching record.

http://twitter.com/#!/SPORTSbyBROOKS

Oooooh. Not good for JoePa.

If he goes down for this, it will be a real shame. Imagine ... after his entire career, this is how he'll be remembered.

Ouch.

FAX

kysirsoze 11-05-2011 09:49 PM

How does someone walk in on a sixty year old man sexually assaulting a ten year old and simply report it to the head coach?

I don't want to get all "internet tought guy" but I gotta think that's something you don't just let play out and handle it later.

FAX 11-05-2011 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 8081915)
How does someone walk in on a sixty year old man sexually assaulting a ten year old and simply report it to the head coach?

I don't want to get all "internet tought guy" but I gotta think that's something you don't just let play out and handle it later.

They gave him a pass. That's the only plausible answer, Mr. kysirsoze.

It's sad, but it is what it is. I feel for JoePa, though. Damn, man. If it's true that he knew about this 4 years ago, he should have seen to it that the guy was drawn and quartered, but he didn't. And, if that proves true, he deserves to have his reputation flushed down the toilet of public opinion along with the other turd dude.

FAX

kysirsoze 11-05-2011 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8081938)
They gave him a pass. That's the only plausible answer, Mr. kysirsoze.

It's sad, but it is what it is. I feel for JoePa, though. Damn, man. If it's true that he knew about this 4 years ago, he should have seen to it that the guy was drawn and quartered, but he didn't. And, if that proves true, he deserves to have his reputation flushed down the toilet of public opinion along with the other turd dude.

FAX

A graduate assistant gave him a pass? Damn. Talk about towing the company line. That kid's going places.

VAChief 11-06-2011 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8081938)
They gave him a pass. That's the only plausible answer, Mr. kysirsoze.

It's sad, but it is what it is. I feel for JoePa, though. Damn, man. If it's true that he knew about this 4 years ago, he should have seen to it that the guy was drawn and quartered, but he didn't. And, if that proves true, he deserves to have his reputation flushed down the toilet of public opinion along with the other turd dude.

FAX

If the reports are true that the assistant witnessed a 57 year old man having anal sex with a 10 year old boy, reported it to Paterno who just notified the administration he deserves no sympathy for whatever grief comes his way.

suzzer99 11-06-2011 09:57 PM

This report is horrifying. It reads like some historical account of a twisted Roman emperor: (Warning, don't read if you're squeamish about child molestation, it really is horrible)http://i.usatoday.net/sports/college...grand-jury.pdf

BryanBusby 11-06-2011 10:08 PM

I really would suggest not reading the detailed report. It was sick from the start, than it just got worse with the number of victims piling up.

This dude is a sick ****

suzzer99 11-06-2011 10:14 PM

The only reason I think it's worth reading is you know how pervasive this was, and therefore how obvious it is that JoePa and the whole athletic dept had to know it was going on for at least a decade.

But yeah, don't read if you're squeamish - I'll add a warning.

tecumseh 11-06-2011 10:17 PM

Sick, disgusting . No one who knew of this in any way should get a pass. Burn in hot,hot hell ,you corruptors of innocence. You pathetic distructors of all things good and righteous.
Never die, but set in an unending burning for your heinous acts, you foul pervertor of our youth and trust. You should be impaled on the spike and allow gravity to remind you our ghastly deeds.

Setsuna 11-06-2011 10:21 PM

Gross.

WV 11-07-2011 12:26 AM

If Penn State doesn't use this as an excuse to get rid of JoePa they shouldn't be able to play football anymore.

They've clung to this old geezer that the game passed by years and years ago for whatever reason and if they don't remove his old ass for this the University has no integrity and JoePa has too much power.

suzzer99 11-07-2011 01:05 AM

Imagine the recruiting damages from this.

BryanBusby 11-07-2011 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 8088371)
Imagine the recruiting damages from this.

Going on probation due to impermissible is a situation where you start to worry about the recruiting.

When your institution of learning was used as a hideout for a dude to have sex with underage boys and top officials were covering it up, recruiting issues is pretty far low on the list of worries.

Quote:

According to prosecutors, the first serious chance Penn State had to halt the abuse came in 1998, when Sandusky was still an assistant for Paterno. A mother of an 11-year-old boy Sandusky had befriended at his charity reported to the Penn State campus police that her son had been touched and held by Sandusky in a shower inside the campus’s football facility.

Prosecutors said a “lengthy” investigation — one that grew to include allegations about a second young child being similarly touched by Sandusky in a shower — was carried out by the campus police. But they offer few details about the nature of that investigation: who was interviewed, whether Paterno or other university officials were apprised of it.

They do, though, say that at least two campus detectives took the case seriously and heard Sandusky admit to the misconduct in a conversation with the mother of one of the boys. Additionally, prosecutors said Sandusky was interviewed by one of the detectives and an investigator with the state’s child welfare agency. In that interview, they said, Sandusky admitted to showering with the boys and conceded that it “was wrong.”

According to prosecutors, a decision not to prosecute Sandusky was made by the county district attorney, who has since died. The lead campus police detective was subsequently told to close the case by Thomas Harmon, then the director of the campus police force. It appears Sandusky was merely encouraged to never again shower with a child.

The prosecutors, though, do assert that at least one prominent Penn State official, a lawyer for the university, was told of the 1998 allegations and investigation. That official, Wendell Courtney, said in an interview Sunday that he had learned of allegations about Sandusky in 1998, but had left it to the police and prosecutors to investigate.

“Whatever they did, they did,” he said of the campus police and local district attorney.

Courtney said he never sought to find out why no action had been taken. He said he believed that Penn State’s athletic director, Curley, knew of the allegation and the investigation, but was unsure whether other people in senior positions at the university knew of the episode.
This makes an already disturbing situation even worse.

As for Joe Paterno, I think he did what he could and will be an asset to get this guy locked away from life. This is going to be another example of a successful figure in sports getting the benefit of doubt for way too long and a legend will probably fall on the sword because people clouded their reasoning because FOOBAWWW

E: The more I read about this, everybody should go immediately.

BigRock 11-07-2011 01:26 AM

What Tressel did was worse.

/Penn State fan

LiveSteam 11-07-2011 01:40 AM

Bet Sandusky kills himself before the weak is over

I expect that to be the next big headline out of Penn;ST
I will take Tuesday at 1100 hours

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 11-07-2011 03:00 AM

This will all blow over. I remember when people cared about Auburn and
Miami, too.

BryanBusby 11-07-2011 03:05 AM

Auburn and Miami weren't dealing with a coach having anal sex with minor boys issue.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 11-07-2011 04:09 AM

And this thread has less than 40 posts

mcaj22 11-07-2011 05:17 AM

and you also live in bum**** Texas.

trust me, this is a big deal in PA right now and today is going to start the whirlwind, some of these guys (the two that "stepped down") already have to show up in Harrisburg at the courtroom this morning. There is going to be tons of media all over this.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 11-07-2011 05:53 AM

The media isn't going to tear down a program like PSU and a coach like JoePa.

Spott 11-07-2011 05:54 AM

He has no where to go but down from here.

kstater 11-07-2011 05:57 AM

Penn St officials taking a hard line. They've allowed the two dirtbags that helped cover it up to resign.

BigRock 11-07-2011 06:11 AM

JoePa's statement is so awful. Sandusky was investigated in the past. The grad assistant told JoePa he saw Sandusky in the shower with a boy. JoePa: "I'm shocked at this! SHOCKED!"

And he seems to be telling the same "Well, the GA didn't actually tell me he saw Sandusky having sex with the boy" story that the other two guys told. Which resulted in a perjury charge.

Time to start playing the senile card.

FringeNC 11-07-2011 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 8088431)
JoePa's statement is so awful. Sandusky was investigated in the past. The grad assistant told JoePa he saw Sandusky in the shower with a boy. JoePa: "I'm shocked at this! SHOCKED!"

And he seems to be telling the same "Well, the GA didn't actually tell me he saw Sandusky having sex with the boy" story that the other two guys told. Which resulted in a perjury charge.

Time to start playing the senile card.

I don't see how JoePa even hangs on the rest of the season. I wouldn't be shocked if he never coaches a game for Penn St. again.

eazyb81 11-07-2011 07:25 AM

Joe Pa's reputation is going to be tarnished by this, and rightfully so. He needs to step down now.

Absolutely grotesque what was covered up.

eazyb81 11-07-2011 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstater (Post 8088428)
Penn St officials taking a hard line. They've allowed the two dirtbags that helped cover it up to resign.

AD is on "administrative leave". How much you want to bet that he is still getting paid?

Pathetic.

jspchief 11-07-2011 07:37 AM

The report I saw this am claimed that Paterno didn't know the details, just that the assistant was distraught over what he saw. It's hard for me to believe he didn't at least have an idea of what it was, even if he didn't get the precise details.

From there, the two school officials involved interviewed the assistant that witnessed it, and nothing further came of it.

I can't fathom what would motivate someone to cover this up. It would take all of my self control to not go down and take a baseball bat to the guy. How you could feel compelled to actually cover the guy's ass is beyond comprehension.

Dave Lane 11-07-2011 07:42 AM

This is bad we will send him to another college and make sure there are never any charges against him or anyone like him EVER.

/catholic church

Otter 11-07-2011 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 8088460)
This is bad we will send him to another college and make sure there are never any charges against him or anyone like him EVER.

/catholic church

Dave,

You need to confront the priest the ass banged you in the shower. Take a lead pipe to his head, write him a nasty letter or take him out to dinner and share a bottle of wine and see where the evening leads. Just please shut the **** up already about your religious hangups on every post you can somehow manage to squeeze one in. We get the picture.

Maybe you and GoChiefs could double date with the religious figurehead that rocked his world so it's not so awkward until the alcohol kicks in.
----

Ol' JoePa better break out the Alzheimer card quick.

BigRock 11-07-2011 08:06 AM

WORK THAT SHIT, JOE

http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/6591/uncleleoy.jpg

Al Bundy 11-07-2011 08:13 AM

Not that it means anything but I have seen over 100 retweets from people stating they are dropping their season tickets in football next year. I don't know if they meant if JoePa was or wasn't fired though.

Al Bundy 11-07-2011 08:17 AM

IMO, if JoePa was told by a GA that the GA saw Sandusky in the shower with that boy then JoePa should have gone to the police, not the campus pigs, but the actual police himself.

LiveSteam 11-07-2011 08:31 AM

After I read this last night I didnt think Joe could be involved. But the more I read,& the more post you guys put up . The more I realize that having the most wins ever by 1 coach Was & is more important to Joe Pa than the well being of children. No way will I ever believe Joe didnt know about this bundle of sticks baby raper.

COchief 11-07-2011 08:54 AM

Maybe the sickest thing about this is after Joe and the rest of the higher ups were told about this is they continued to see this sick phugg with other young boys for a decade knowing full well what was going down and not doing anything about it. All should be fired immediately regardless of any legacy BS.

LiveSteam 11-07-2011 09:09 AM

I feel for Penn-ST fan. They didnt deserve this. This is a black eye on collage football & those that hate football & sports, will chalk this one up as more prof that winning at all cost is the norm in today's athletics.

eazyb81 11-07-2011 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by COchief (Post 8088550)
Maybe the sickest thing about this is after Joe and the rest of the higher ups were told about this is they continued to see this sick phugg with other young boys for a decade knowing full well what was going down and not doing anything about it. All should be fired immediately regardless of any legacy BS.

Yep. This is why JoePa's attempt at plausible deniability doesn't pass the smell test.

If the GA came to him with this part of the info, a normal person would obviously ask for more details. Even if we suspend reality and assume the GA only told Paterno that he saw some weird stuff involving Sandusky, JoePa still saw him around the program for years and did not do anything or ask any questions.

lcarus 11-07-2011 09:15 AM

Penn State's new fight song.

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FloridaMan88 11-07-2011 09:16 AM

It would probably be best for everyone if Joe Pa dropped dead right about now.

Garcia Bronco 11-07-2011 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8080389)
It kind of came out of nowhere.

Superfluous and unnecessary, too.

FAX

Your use of the word unnecessary was unnecessary. :p

Otter 11-07-2011 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by COchief (Post 8088550)
Maybe the sickest thing about this is after Joe and the rest of the higher ups were told about this is they continued to see this sick phugg with other young boys for a decade knowing full well what was going down and not doing anything about it. All should be fired immediately regardless of any legacy BS.

I'd like to learn more on this guys background as in how well he was connected. Was Daddy on the board? Uncle Jack contribute $500k to the new library and what not.

It's pretty hard to believe an organization like Penn State would try to cover this up. If you were to pick a crime to sweep under the rug it's pretty tough to come up with something much more disgraceful and heinous than what this man is being accused.

If even half of how deep the cover up is being said to go at his point is true there's gonna be a big shake up from top down Penn State.

mcaj22 11-07-2011 09:28 AM

you should see campus today what a mess

everyone is so depressed it's like a black cloud just came over happy valley, people are legitimately bummed

my facebook feed a lot of penn state alumni are extremely disappointed in this. this is going go a long way than just the football program

jspchief 11-07-2011 09:34 AM

Nice that Sandusky had a youth at risk program that he used as a supply line. This sick **** should save taxpayer money and off himself.

LiveSteam 11-07-2011 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 8088648)
you should see campus today what a mess

everyone is so depressed it's like a black cloud just came over happy valley, people are legitimately bummed

my facebook feed a lot of penn state alumni are extremely disappointed in this. this is going go a long way than just the football program

Like I said I feel for Penn-ST fan. I just cant think of anything more grotesque that could be leveled at a University. Genocide

lcarus 11-07-2011 09:38 AM

So Paterno knew about this in some way? I was reading that he didn't know..but I don't really don't know what to believe at this point.

jspchief 11-07-2011 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 8088665)
So Paterno knew about this in some way? I was reading that he didn't know..but I don't really don't know what to believe at this point.

The graduate assistant that saw Sandusky in the act with a child went straight to Paterno. Paterno took it straight to the university officials.

The only thing in dispute is the degree of detail that Paterno knew.

LiveSteam 11-07-2011 09:42 AM

Joe may try to play the roll of Ronald Reagan in Iran contra hearings. HE KNEW. No way I ever believe he didnt

Frazod 11-07-2011 09:42 AM

Nothing worse than a child molester who abuses a position of trust to lure/control victims.

This ****er should be publicly burned at the stake. To those who helped cover it up, a bullet to the head will suffice.

Dave Lane 11-07-2011 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otter (Post 8088474)
Dave,

You need to confront the priest the ass banged you in the shower. Take a lead pipe to his head, write him a nasty letter or take him out to dinner and share a bottle of wine and see where the evening leads. Just please shut the **** up already about your religious hangups on every post you can somehow manage to squeeze one in. We get the picture.

Maybe you and GoChiefs could double date with the religious figurehead that rocked his world so it's not so awkward until the alcohol kicks in.
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Ol' JoePa better break out the Alzheimer card quick.

Are you disputing the facts or are you just extra cranky today? This is SOP for the catholic church. NONE of the priest EVER get charged with a crime. Yet other people do. If there is no hypocrisy or outrage on your part I guess its understandable.

Otter 11-07-2011 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 8088680)
Are you disputing the facts or are you just extra cranky today? This is SOP for the catholic church. NONE of the priest EVER get charged with a crime. Yet other people do. If there is no hypocrisy or outrage on your part I guess its understandable.

And this has what to do with Penn State? I'll answer for you butt hurt: NOTHING!!!

PS - wrong forum

lcarus 11-07-2011 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 8088680)
Are you disputing the facts or are you just extra cranky today? This is SOP for the catholic church. NONE of the priest EVER get charged with a crime. Yet other people do. If there is no hypocrisy or outrage on your part I guess its understandable.

This has nothing to do with Penn State but I agree with you. The amount of priests that have molested young boys is staggering and hard to wrap your brain around. Still...it's the few making the majority look bad.

Garcia Bronco 11-07-2011 10:01 AM

Paterno needs to be fired and about 50 wins taken off his resume, because he doesn't coach anymore and is completely ****ing stupid for not going to the police along with this graduate assistent.

LiveSteam 11-07-2011 10:01 AM

Im not Catholic. But just the same
SHUT THE **** UP DAVE WITH YOUR ATHEIST BULL SHIT. IT GETS OLD.
Your gonna shoot your mouth off to the wrong peep someday & your gonna find out if god is real or not
& further more DAVE, how do you know that Sandusky isnt an Atheist like you?
I cant see Sandusky believing in the teachings of the Bible after this

blaise 11-07-2011 10:18 AM

Joe Pa will be gone. I don't even think it's a question.

And the guy who initially looked into this in 2005, Ray Gricar, mysteriously disappeared in 2005 and was only declared legally dead this past summer.

LiveSteam 11-07-2011 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by blaise (Post 8088748)
Joe Pa will be gone. I don't even think it's a question.

And the guy who initially looked into this in 2005, Ray Gricar, mysteriously disappeared in 2005 and was only declared legally dead this past summer.

Where did you read this? Ray Gricar thing. Can you post a link.

blaise 11-07-2011 10:27 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Gricar

There's not much about it on there. I'm sure there's more out there though. It's no smoking gun, just interesting considering the news today.

Edit: And just in that time, someone removed the line about him being tied to Penn State investigation.
It was on there and now gone.

LiveSteam 11-07-2011 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by blaise (Post 8088785)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Gricar

There's not much about it on there. I'm sure there's more out there though. It's no smoking gun, just interesting considering the news today.

Edit: And just in that time, someone removed the line about him being tied to Penn State investigation.
It was on there and now gone.

I agree. very strange. the plot maybe thickens

COchief 11-07-2011 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by blaise (Post 8088785)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Gricar

There's not much about it on there. I'm sure there's more out there though. It's no smoking gun, just interesting considering the news today.

Edit: And just in that time, someone removed the line about him being tied to Penn State investigation.
It was on there and now gone.

The details of his disappearance are interesting and creepy enough, but tied into this crazy story it becomes enthralling, I wonder what the hell was on that hard drive? The small blurb about his brother dying right in the area too is strange.

BigRock 11-07-2011 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 8088665)
So Paterno knew about this in some way? I was reading that he didn't know..but I don't really don't know what to believe at this point.

The official JoePa version is that the only thing he ever knew about any of this was when a graduate assistant (Mike McQueary, former Penn State QB, current WR coach) came to him in 2002 and told him he saw "something inappropriate" between Sandusky and a young boy in the showers.

The "something inappropriate", according to McQueary, was Sandusky having sex with the boy. But JoePa denies that McQueary told him he saw Sandusky having sex with a child.

Sandusky had been investigated by PSU campus police in 1998 for similar actions, but JoePa claims to have no knowledge of that investigation. A backup safety can't get a handjob in Happy Valley without JoePa hearing about it, but his defensive coordinator and 30-year assistant gets investigated for kiddy fiddling by the university's own police and nobody mentions it to the head coach. And in a total coincidence, Sandusky happened to step down the season after the investigation. That all sounds plausible.

But JoePa has to deny knowing about the prior investigation, because if he had some inkling of what Sandusky was up to, then the handling of the 2002 allegation looks practically criminal. And he has to deny that McQueary said he saw Sandusky having sex with a child, because if JoePa heard that, then the handling of the allegation again looks awful. To say nothing of the fact that Sandusky continued bringing kids around the program for years afterwards.

So basically, JoePa says he only knew of one claim, which he wasn't told the full, horrible extent of. And he told his higher-ups at the university and washed his hands of it.

But even that version, which spins him in the best possible light, still makes him look bad. The person who made the claim wasn't some guy, it was one of his former players and an assistant coach. And even a vague claim of inappropriateness between a grown man and a young boy on your campus, in your locker room, in your shower, should be enough to make someone's blood go cold.

But apparently it wasn't important enough to follow-up on.

L.A. Chieffan 11-07-2011 10:56 AM

well we already knew that the girls at penn st. are whores

vailpass 11-07-2011 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 8088675)
Joe may try to play the roll of Ronald Reagan in Iran contra hearings. HE KNEW. No way I ever believe he didnt

I hope not.

vailpass 11-07-2011 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 8088715)
Im not Catholic. But just the same
SHUT THE **** UP DAVE WITH YOUR ATHEIST BULL SHIT. IT GETS OLD.
Your gonna shoot your mouth off to the wrong peep someday & your gonna find out if god is real or not
& further more DAVE, how do you know that Sandusky isnt an Atheist like you?
I cant see Sandusky believing in the teachings of the Bible after this

X10.
Loon that dent in your head makes you act like one weird son of a bitch. Like Otter said, confront the buggery you suffered in your past and deal with it.
Are you mad that you were man-****ed, or just mad that he never called back?

FAX 11-07-2011 11:03 AM

I'm confused. What does this have to do with religious beliefs? I must have missed something.

It's far more likely that the Illuminati hired the Freemasons to recruit this guy.

FAX

Pants 11-07-2011 11:24 AM

Remove penis and testicles and throw in prison for the rest of his life.

Swanman 11-07-2011 11:46 AM

Joe Pa has been a joke for the last several years, but this year is especially bad, with him sitting up in the booth just looking grumpy and not even wearing a headset. Hopefully this scandal puts that whole charade to rest for good.

Lzen 11-07-2011 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 8088818)
The official JoePa version is that the only thing he ever knew about any of this was when a graduate assistant (Mike McQueary, former Penn State QB, current WR coach) came to him in 2002 and told him he saw "something inappropriate" between Sandusky and a young boy in the showers.

The "something inappropriate", according to McQueary, was Sandusky having sex with the boy. But JoePa denies that McQueary told him he saw Sandusky having sex with a child.

Sandusky had been investigated by PSU campus police in 1998 for similar actions, but JoePa claims to have no knowledge of that investigation. A backup safety can't get a handjob in Happy Valley without JoePa hearing about it, but his defensive coordinator and 30-year assistant gets investigated for kiddy fiddling by the university's own police and nobody mentions it to the head coach. And in a total coincidence, Sandusky happened to step down the season after the investigation. That all sounds plausible.

But JoePa has to deny knowing about the prior investigation, because if he had some inkling of what Sandusky was up to, then the handling of the 2002 allegation looks practically criminal. And he has to deny that McQueary said he saw Sandusky having sex with a child, because if JoePa heard that, then the handling of the allegation again looks awful. To say nothing of the fact that Sandusky continued bringing kids around the program for years afterwards.

So basically, JoePa says he only knew of one claim, which he wasn't told the full, horrible extent of. And he told his higher-ups at the university and washed his hands of it.

But even that version, which spins him in the best possible light, still makes him look bad. The person who made the claim wasn't some guy, it was one of his former players and an assistant coach. And even a vague claim of inappropriateness between a grown man and a young boy on your campus, in your locker room, in your shower, should be enough to make someone's blood go cold.

But apparently it wasn't important enough to follow-up on.

This. I am having a hard time believing JoPa didn't know about this. And if he did and didn't say anything, then he's just as guilty, IMO.


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