Should the NFL do a Lottery?
 

I happened to see a few moments of the Indy game yesterday and one thing seemed certain to me- that team is clearly NOT interested in winning football games.

I figured Miami was doing the same until yesterday's game against our hapless Chiefs.

I have to wonder if Indy is seriously losing to grab Andrew Luck?

So, should the NFL institute a Lottery draft like the NBA and NHL? To prevent teams from losing on purpose?

The first five picks in the draft go into a lottery pool? Would this field more competitiveness in the NFL? And prevent teams from losing on purpose?

I don't recall a year when a team or teams lost on purpose, but I have to think Indy is doing just that this year. I mean seriously, that team has some talent there to win a few games without Manning.

No.

The end.

No. The NBA lottery is ****ing stupid.

I'd say Indy has no fucking right to get Luck, but any other team should be able to get him.

So yeah, some team needs to tank it against Indy so they HAVE to take a W.

I like the lottery idea, and think it accomplished what it was designed to do. Now that the #1 overall pick is more valuable than it has been in quite some time, it may be a good idea.

I don't think Indy is purposefully losing games. It's just that the team was built completely around Peyton Manning. The entire organization believes that they need him on the field to be successful because it's true. As the weeks wore on and losses piled up many of the players have fallen into a culture of losing. They have a built in excuse as long as Manning isn't out there.

This.

Anybody else think the NBA lottery is rigged?

I think it's rigged. At least the first couple spots are rigged.

Every year it seems the team with the best "story" needing the 1st overall gets the 1st overall.

Just kinda weird that the Sacramento Kings have never landed it, is all I'm saying.

I don't think there's any doubt about it.

Cleveland gets shit on by LeBron. They have, I think, the worst odds to land the #1 pick. The owner sends his kid up there to hold the card and they end up getting the #1 and 2 picks in the top 5.

#1) Instilling a new rule because one team appears to be tanking 1 season for the first time ever in the history of the league? You must be a fan of Congress.

#2) The Colts are trying to have Manning play at the end of the year. Does that sound like a team that is tanking the season? He isn't on IR yet. If they were actually tanking the season, then he would be on IR.

#3) Fans are whiny when their team is going to miss out on a perceived 'great' QB. There is only one Luck. That means that only one team gets him, and the fans of the other losing teams in the NFL will be upset about that. Of course, unless somehow Luck actually doesn't pan out....then those fans are going to talk about how they knew he was overated.

FYP

See 1989.

I voted no because the difference is one player in the NBA can make a bigger impact than one player in the NFL.

Lighten up, Francis.

I'm not whining about anything here. This question was posed on another football site last week and after witnessing some of Indy's flashy moments in yesterday's game, I have to wonder if they truly are tanking in the season for Luck.

Just throwing the question out there to see how the Planet feels. And it's obvious how you feel.

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I think the Colts are not putting Manning on IR because that would piss him off. He doesn't get paid and can't hang onto his delusion that he could play the last couple games.

I think until it becomes clear that teams are losing to get a better pick, the lottery system is stupid. I also think that despite their protests, the NBA has rigged the picks. Do you think under the same circumstances that the Chiefs would get the #1 unless 40 years from now Clark Hunt is dying from cancer?

Why would a head coach tank a season to get a qb that he most likely won't get to coach? NFL coaches are on too short of a leash to tank a season. Players also have pride, I'm sure Reggie Wayne doesn't want what could be his last season to be a winless one. He might never catch a pass from Luck, why would he care about that?

This entire movement is media and fan driven.

Believe me, Karma is a ****ing bitch and they will pay dearly for tanking the season like that. I pray that Luck turns out to be a bigger bust than Leaf + Russell.

HELL NO

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Not going to happen... Luck isn't a one year wonder at what he does. I haven't seen anybody with his ability since Drew Breese. This kid has ALL the intangibles to be a great QB in the NFL.

We will know if Indy is tanking the season this week. They are playing Jacksonville who is awful (despite their win over the Ravens). If they get blow out by Jacksonville then I will say they are tanking but not until then.

I would be in favor of it. It gets tiresome seeing the best players going to the same handful of loser-ass franchises every damn year.

No NFL team can afford to intentionally tank, from the front office to the coaching staff to the current players...

No thank you to the ping pong balls

Letting teams like the colts intentionally loose games is pretty ****ing stupid if you ask me, much more ****ing stupid than the NBA lottery in fact. They've got to do something to mitigate future Colt debacles.

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I can't believe how many people favor a system that rewards failure and punishes success.

A few weeks ago I would have answered with a resounding "Hell no" - the point that many have made about coaches being on too short a leash to risk losing purposely rings true UNLESS the owner is every bit as gung ho about getting the #1 as the coach is (as I'm now thinking is the case with the Indy owner and Jim Caldwell.)

After seeing what the Colts are doing, (I do think it's on purpose at this point - if Caldwell keeps his job after the season anyone who doubts they did it on purpose is a Sucker) I'm going to vote yes, there should a lottery. Even though chances on the first year it's instigated we'll probably finish with the worst record.

i agree. after seeing what the Colts are doing it's hard not to think of the Draft in any other way.

I see your point, but there are too many years when the team with the #1 pick is so substandard that for them not to have the opportunity to draft the best prospect would be counterproductive for league parity. This year may piss a lot of people off, but more often than not I think the current system works well

I for one, admire the Colts. I wish we had the balls to do this.

LOL at people who think the Colts are losing on purpose.

If its anything like the NBA lottery, its pretty much the same teams in there every year. The Colts do seem to have more than their share of #1 picks as this would be the fifth time, if memory serves. Not even the Bucs can match that.

The problem with the NBA is that most years there are no real star players at the top that can turn a franchise around. They only have two rounds of players to choose from. Since the teams are so small, its more of a star driven league.

The problem with the NFL is that teams do not surround their star talent with talented players. The game is won in the trenches.

LOL at people who acknowledge Caldwell still has a job and think they aren't.

LOL at you, for not thinking they are.

Not just from this year, but they should like the NBA lottery. That imo is a perfect system.

the shittiest team more then likely gets the first pick, but its not 100 percent.

So Caldwell should be fired because the Colts front office hasn't built a more balanced team around Peyton Manning?

Caldwell's to blame for Manning missing the season?

I'm no fan of Caldwell's, but this guy was ****ed the minute Peyton went under the knife. This team sucks without him, they don't need to lose on purpose - they are just that bad.

Yes.

Chicago got Derrick Rose.

The NBA needs Chicago to be good and to have a superstar.

Wala! Hometown boy...1.7% chance at #1...

yeah, it's rigged

Manning not worth 12 wins by himself...not even 8.

4 definitely, maybe even 6-7.

no way any one player is that good.

this season will not only net the Colts Luck, it will make Manning look like the greatest QB of all time, even though he isn't even the best QB of his generation (that's Tom Brady).

OK.

LMAO

Hope you have a chin strap for your tinfoil hat, the rest of this season is going to be a bumpy ride.

LOL at both of you for thinking that an entire organization has gotten together and determined that they would tank the season for a shot at an unproven QB.

If that actually happened....you would have players demanding trades. Shit...you would have players demanding to be released.

It looks to me that Manning is worth 10 wins.

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In fairness, the question shouldn't be if Peyton Manning is better than some third string backup. The question is, if you put an average QB like Matt Cassel or Kevin Kolb on the Colts, how many games would they win? I think the Colts are probably good enough that those guys could probably squeeze 5-6 wins. So Peyton's important, but saying he's 10 wins better than the average QB is off.

Because it doesn't matter what team you put Curtis Painter on. On most teams, he's losing at least 10 games. He's that bad.

lottery is stupid but necessary

Top 5 teams in draft order should draw for it in a weighted lottery. Only way to keep teams from "sucking for xxxxx"

no need to televise that stupid shit though

I was reading Ron Jaworski's book ("Games That Changed the Game") about a week ago and he mentioned a time when he was in Indy watching the Colts practice. Jaws asked Tom Moore why the backup QBs didn't get any reps in practice and what they would do if Manning went down.

"Fellas, if '18' goes down, we're ****ed. And we don't practice ****ed."


As for the lottery idea, I don't like the idea of it (although I hate that the dumbshit Irsay won't keep his trap shut about Luck), but if the NFL thinks they could make money & get good ratings off of making a lottery a yearly televised event (they would), I can easily see them doing it. I definitely don't want them to, though. Seems like in the NBA, teams like the Minnesota Timberwolves are awful every year and never get the #1 pick because of the lotto. Not a fan.

Was having a crappy day at work. Sorry if I was coarse.

Tim Tebow has all the intangibles.....

Its the fact that Luck has the tangibles too.