Pioli has praise for Haley
 

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/07...for-haley.html

This is another one of those "well what the hell do you expect him to say" type of things.

You expect him to put some pressure on the coach if he has any doubts about the direction he's going.

Okay Pioli. How about this? How about giving Haley a quarterback who isn't reading at a fourth grade level and counts with his fingers?

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I'm sick of Haley blaming himself for every loss and every mistake, these guys are professional football players and it's about time they start taking some blame for playing like sh*t. That said I think Haley should be the coach of the future for this team and deserves a contract ext.. Yup i'm a noob!!!

A N00b (sp?), Mr. DonkeyPuncher. Yet, a N00b (sp?) that's developing and growing into the job.

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Proof Pioli hates Haley. :)

I pretty much agree, but I think he needs a new OC (and obviously a QB). Offensive playcalling is atrocious.

I noticed he didn't mention that if he would give Haley a real Quarterback they would be SB contenders.

Haley get an extension yet?...

please cue the: well, bye!

shit's written on the wall.

I was thinking the same thing. He's not going to come out and say, "**** em', he's toast", but we can all see it coming. I for one hope it doesn't and I'll stand by my statement that I want Haley to be the coach for the next ten years. Just please learn time management and get the whole playcalling thing figured out. You are driving us crazy with that shit. Oh yea get a OC as well.



















And dump Cassel too

I just want us to have a competent OC (Muir is not that) that is here for more than a single season. I think this would go a long way to that consistency Haley says he is looking for. Changing OC every year is not helping Cassel. Not sure how much good it would do but it couldn't hurt.

How would throwing the players under the bus garner Haley any respect from his players? If anything they would resent him for it, even if they knew it to be the truth. Not only that, but it's not as though Haley and his coaching staff are without blame, I think we all agree the game plan on defense and lack of adjustments were terrible on their part. You guys criticized a coach who takes the blame, but praise QB's who do the same. Get a clue.

A bunch of you apparently see writing on the wall. I don't, I see a guy who will undoubtedly get an extension. Probably be our coach for some time. Thank God.

Cassel being a piece of shit is not helping Cassel. He could have Weis as his OC for 5 years and he would still be ****ing mediocre.

Maybe Haley is doing this on purpose, making Cassel look even worse than he is, he never really wanted Cassel anyways, pretty sure that was a Pioli deal because truth be told he could call the plays without there being any problem and i'm sure he is way better at it than Muir

In the media? No I definitely don't expect that, unless he's Al Davis or Jerry Jones.

Well said. We saw Herm blame everyone but himself, including the players, week in and week out. How did that work out?

Yes. Because coaches in their first head coaching job, and possibly last if they fail, love to make their QB look like shit. Nothing makes them happier than making the players on their team worse.

Haley can call plays without any problem? Did you happen to miss the 2009 season?

Granted, with the talent we had on the field in that season, I don't think it mattered who called plays.

Dude, the emergence of Charles, Bowe and Moeaki probably had a hell of a lot to do with why Weis was so successful in comparison to Haley's 2009 season as OC. Not only that, but Weis had a lot more time to coach Cassel one on one than the head coach, who has to delegate his time to the entire team, ever would.

Not to mention a guy like Weigmann at center, better blocking from the RB's and better than what was behind Bowe at receiver(still terrible).

Even with a good oc I still don't believe Cassel has the talent, arm strength, pocket awarness or balls to run a super bowl worthy offense and he damn sure doesn't have the talent around him this year minus our wide receivers, maybe we should have spent alittle bit of money and brought in a running back and a tight end when we had that chance, now we are stuck with Pope and O'Connel and granted Battle has stepped up he still makes me nervous everytime he touches the ball with his history of putting the ball on the field

you've gone off the deep end


how sad

True dat. That was the biggest problem on Sunday.

Judging by the lackluster season of the Gators this year, Weis doesn't look like a world beater.

So you're saying that Cassel is good?

Why in the world would Haley want to sign an extension to work for a team with an egomaniac GM who won't let him play the players he wants, or draft the players he wants?

Most GM's ultimately make the picks during the draft. How they get to the point of which players the team wants or needs is a collaborative effort. Who has ever said Haley doesn't get to draft the players he wants? You are weird.

I also don't believe that Pioli is FORCING Haley to play Cassel like some do. Just that Pioli brings in the talent, and the talent he has brought in up until this year to compete with Cassel was none. Now, Stanzi is a different story, but I probably wouldn't have just started him this year either...I say I would have, b/c he is head and shoulders above Cassel as a QB, but in all actuality, I'd rather coach him up first.

Something has to be done about the passing game. It's currently ranked #27 and has never been ranked highly the whole time Haley and Cassel have been here. Cassel can't run Haley's downfield passing offense, and Pioli has to do something about it, preferable cutting Cassel loose.

You win in this league moving the ball in the air.

Kiss of death anyone? I'm getting queasy thinking who the next retread Pioli will bring in.

Mark Brunell

Ricky Stanzi.

Mike Zimmer?

Bob Knight. He has lots of wins. Hopefully he can get us some.

In sorry, I thought I just read an article that had chiefs and Superbowl in the same sentence.

no, i'm not ... but this obsession with him is nuts.

Cassel isn't the reason we lost to the Dolphins.

our offensive coaching sucks azz and our defense bent over and took it up the butt.

The team still isn't polished and they still don't play with the intensity and passion of a good NFL team. You give us a real OC and we would be much,much better.

who's the bigger weakness on offense, Cassel or the coaching?

I say coaching because it effects everything ... Oline blocking, the Blitz pickups, the hot routes,the audibles, every part of the offense.

Offensive needs (by priority)
1. Coaching
2. QB
3. RT
4. center

but hey ... you guys keep bitching about Cassel, whatever floats your boat.

I don't think anyone is arguing that Cassel is the reason we lost to the Dolphins.

People are arguing that Cassel is a reason we lost to the Dolphins.

This "obsession" with him is because he's holding this team back. You could win championships with shitty QB play a decade ago if you had an all-world defense. That's not the case anymore. The NFL is a QB-driven, passing league.

Sadly, our organizational philosophy seems to be, "trade for/draft late round scrubs and hope like hell we find the next Tom Brady."

Yeah, I can't imagine why fans of this franchise are obsessed with the QB position.

One of the problems that we have is offensive playcalling. It's been the same with Haley at the helm. Last year it was good because we had JC. Without JC, we are back to the same horrible, predictable calls.

It's clear that Haley is running the offense whether we want to admit it or not. He's not willing to change it. That is a problem.

He's good with developing players. That. Is. It.

Managing games, adjusting strategies, two minute offense, etc are all horrible.

He has not had a true signature win since he came here. We either beat shitty teams or have people like Phillip Rivers give us games.

I am starting to believe that his success in AZ were due to Whisenhunt and Kurt.

absolutely he is ... but he played better than most of the team.

and yet people aren't talking about all those ****-ups they are still beating a dead horse about Cassel.

EVERYBODY here knows we need an upgrade at QB ... move the **** on.

every dam thread turns into something about Cassel, it's beyond stupid. You can't talk about anything else.

I thought it is Weisenhunts down the field offense not Haley's. Seems like we are seeing Haley's offense right now.

Aren't reading the defense, identifying your hot route, and calling audibles on the QB? I think so. Especially since you can't do any of the latter two things if you can't read a defense and guess what, Cassel can't. Never has been able to.

The only part of the offense that is subpar b/c of coaching IMO is the OL. I base that opinion on the fact that the OL still doesn't always know their responsibility and can't pick up a blitz for the life of them. This is their THIRD YEAR in this offense. They should figure it out already.

Other than that, the RB's are as good as they can be considering who's back there, the receivers are fine. The TE's are fine, again, considering who we have. O'Connell got beat in pass pro a lot on Sunday, but mostly b/c he was outsized considerably most of the time.

The defense was our biggest problem on Sunday, but mainly due to poor play by backups in the secondary. Other than that, the Phins OL was getting to the second level and took DJ out of the game and Tamba got ZERO pressure. He actually graded out negative on ProFootballFocus, which is the first I've seen for him.

This team DOES need an overhaul on the OL. Two guys need to be found and how you incorporate them, I don't care as long as it works. Other than that, just coach them up. Need a new RB or two, a TE and a WR, not to mention a QB. On defense, the secondary needs depth at safety and we need a couple guys in the linebacker corps, a OLB and an ILB.

He's not the reason we lost, but he's the biggest reason we didn't win. A great QB can carry a terrible team. Look what Montana did here with terrible receivers. He made them look legit.

So what you are saying is...
he needs to hire a good OC and let him do his job and then he will be a terrific coach?

I don't get the play calling. It's a joke. And getting the plays to Cassel makes all those offensive coaches look like reeruns.

Ding,Ding,Ding

How we really know what Haley's offense is? Whisenhunt had already installed the offense in Arizona when Haley took over the playcalling in week 10(or whatever). Kurt Warner,Larry Fitzgerald and Boldin were already in place as well.

Haley has NEVER installed/assembled an offense in the NFL or at any other level of football.


We have no idea what 'Haley's offense' is.

We haven't seen a true vision of Haley's offense yet. Early on when he was calling plays in 09' he didn't have much in the ways of talent anywhere on the offense.

In 10' Weis stepped in and was greatly aided by the emergence of Charles, Bowe and Moeaki, as well as the addition of guys like Weigmann, and Lilja. He never really had the proper WR talent to work with though.

This year, we have the WR's, but are missing Charles and Moeaki. The guy who takes the heat off of the passing game and the reliable safety valve. It really hinders this offenses ability to be unpredictable.

Also, each and every year the offense has been hindered by the infamous Mark Castle.

Ya, you're right.

We need a great QB to carry our shitty coaching.


i got an idea ... why don't we try and do both, get a better QB and better coaching. Oh ya, nobody wants to talk about that ... only Cassel.

people all over the league are playing with less than franchise type QB's but that's the only thing people around here can bitch about.

It's like many have said, put Rodgers, Brees, Brady or any other top flight QB on our team and we are Superbowl contenders.

It seems to involve quite a few draws on 3rd and 10.

Not really.

It's an indication of many other things. Most importantly, stubbornness.

A good OC is not going to fix time management issues or preseason experiments.

we already tried that ..... twice.

Haley refused.

Crennel has had a year and a half to figure out a way to pressure opposing QB's and he has failed miserably. Double team Hali and you have a perfect pocket.

With this current team?


Playoff, yes. SB. Hell no.

You saw how Jake Long raped Hali. Without Hali, you have no passrush. Without an effective passrush, you can't contend for SBs.

or give us a real coach and we would be playoff caliber.

There you go.

Chan and Weis are two of the best OCs anyone would love to have. Haley ran them off.

You don't think every team with a shitty QB is bitching about the QB?

QB is the most important position in the organization. Look at Mike Shanahan. Great QB resulted in multiple superbowl wins and more appearances. In Washington with no QB, he's a ****ing bust.

Fact is Haley is making the players on this team better, with the only exception being a shitty QB who has already hit his peak. I'd rather not burn this bitch down and start over already with a whole new staff. Get him a competent QB and we're a contender.

What exactly were we last year?

same thing can be said about Cassel

None of those teams are going anywhere either. And I did talk about the coaching phuqtard. Like I said, I see no problem with any facet of the offensive coaching other than OL. Can you really argue that? Is it the coaches fault Cassel can't read a defense? No, it's the fact that he didn't play in college and learn the same way everyone else does.

Karlos Dansby was even quoted in saying that they could tell very early on that Cassel was confused and didn't know where they were coming from, so they kept the blitz coming all day.

So you're happy with just the playoffs? Happy with the QB who sucked ass in the playoffs? Hard to win when your QB sucks that much ass in a game. 9-18 for 70 yards and 3 picks. Sounds like bad coaching and not the qb to me.

Haley booted Chan. Weis walked on his own accord. As soon as he had an offer to coach with his son his mind was made up. You're just being silly to think otherwise.

I don't buy it.

If you don't believe that Haley was a reason for pushing Weis to leave then you are being ....

If Haley coached better hot routes, Cassel would have had 300 yards and 4 TDs.

That's true.

You remember the plays when Haley threw those picks?

What's that? No you say?

Oh, i guess i must have been ill informed. I thought Haley threw the ball to the defenders.

I also believe that Haley ditched Chan b/c of Chan's belief in changing your system to your players. If he did that, the system changed every year and it gets harder to have a consistent product on the field.

Look at the teams belief in the defense, from Pioli, to Haley, to Crennel, to NE, PITT, BAL. Install a system, and as long as your players perform within that system, all is well, if they stray its good for nothing.

Well, I'm pretty sure the excerpt from the book written about Belicheat and his influence on the game by the dude who followed within our organization all last year said this fairly clearly.

SofaKing, I think BigRock is messin' with ya.

.500 is what was expected before injuries
meh

Why do persons such as yourself continue this straw man argument? Laz said earlier that it he doesn't like Cassel and realizes Cassel is a problem. When he questions Haley, the rebuttal automatically becomes "you're happy with Cassel ...."

I don't believe it.

After only 8 months, Weis went from coaching in the NFL for 5.2 million a year to being an O.C. in college for 750k a year along with recruiting and all that shit.

How bad would a job have to be to get you to take a 5 million dollar per year pay cut?

no ****ing way

I am also fairly sure that you can't use/find anything on that book that would put BB and his boys in a bad light.

I'm just saying:

Packers: With Aaron Rodgers, playoff team. Without, probably not.
Patriots - With Tom Brady, playoff team. Without, not.
Steelers - With Roethlisberger, playoff team. Without, not.
Colts - With Peyton Manning, playoff team. Without, not.
Atlanta - With Matt Ryan, playoff team. Without, not.
Saints - With Drew Brees, playoff team. Without, not.
Chargers - With Philip Rivers, playoff team. Without, not.
Lions - With Matt Stafford, playoff team. Without, not.

The Bengals maybe could be added to this list.

How much impact would a coaching change have on those teams? Pretty ****ng nominal.

The exceptions come with teams who have consistently great team defenses:
Bears
Eagles (not this year, however.)
Ravens

First of all, your numbers are way off. Belicheat made the most of any H.C. last year at 7.5mil, and the average is much lower.
Your right though, coaching with his son wouldn't be important to him at all. Who knows. His son might have only gotten the job if Charlie came along. Either way, I'd think having an opportunity to coach side by side with his son, and teach him a thing or two along the way would be a pretty rewarding thing to do before he retires a multi-millionaire. Hell, I hope is 20 yrs. I have an opportunity to work alongside my son if he chooses to go into my line of work. You must be underestimating what it means to be someones Dad. You have kids?

The deep end is where the big boys swim, Mr. Laz. We don't paddle around in the kiddie pool. We're like the sharks. Or the manta ray deals. Or the giant manatees of truth and constancy and honor and fresh blueberry muffins straight out of the oven.

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We'll know in the next day or so. I pre-ordered it and had it auto-delivered to my iPad, I'm going to try to get through it in the next few days.

In short Laz. I agree with you that Cassel is a problem. Where we disagree is that I believe even as "good" as he was last year, he is the biggest problem. Whereas, even bad coaching can be overcome by good play, especially by the QB. Our Oline sucks and so does their coaching. True Haley picked that coach, but not only did Pioli sign off on the decision, but he picked the coach who picked that coach. If you are going to push your shit uphill, why stop at Haley?

Haley takes the blame and gets the finger pointed at him, b/c he is the point man for the players. He has meetings with the coordinators as far as gameplans are concerned, but he doesn't come up with and implement them on his own. Sundays defensive gameplan was as much Romeo's as it was Haley's, and that is where this team lost the game on Sunday. Every Dolphin lineman save Vernon Carey graded out positively on Sunday. They stoned Tamba and we got zero pressure. To compensate, we called a whopping total of 5 blitzes on Sunday. That has Romeo written all over it does it not? We let Matt Moore, a terrible passer under pressure, sit back in a perfectly clean pocket ALL DAY LONG, and we paid for it. Not only that, but their lineman were pulling and getting to the second level at will, effectively taking DJ out of the game. We let the Dolphins tired ass offense out scheme us and take our best two defenders in the front seven completely out of the game. We were CRAZY weak at safety for this game and it showed. Not only that, but Marshall had his way with Flowers too.

The defense let the Dolphins drive all day. Even when they managed to make them punt, the ball was consistently inside of the 20yd. line for the offense. The offensive line BLEW like I've never seen before. That is where the OL coaching comes in. You'd think the Oline would know how to pick up a blitz after 3 years in the current system, of course, they don't have Peyton Manning calling out blitzers for them either, b/c Cassel didn't know where the blitz was coming from. Then of course the offense would stall, before it got started, we'd punt, and the Dolphins would begin their drive with GREAT field position. Average started field positions were more than likely WAY different. Bottom line, you don't let the Phins put up 31 points. Period.