PFF Grades the Chiefs, Week 9
 

1. Jonathan Baldwin's snaps went up to 38 this week, with 32 on pass plays. Considering we had 55 passing snaps, that's not enough.

2. Branden Albert, Ryan Lilja and Casey Wiegmann are innocent. They all had positive grades (although Albert gave up 3 pressures). Your culprits are Jon Asamoah and Barry Richardson, although interestingly enough their pass blocking grades are not wildly horrible. Their run blocking was terrible though. Richardson allowed 4 QB pressures, Asamoah 3.

3. One guy no one is talking about: Jake O'Connell. His pass protection was terrible at a -2.7. Blitz pickup FAIL.

4. The only guy credited with allowing a sack was Matt Cassel. Which again points to the talk that the Dolphins simply brought more guys than we could block. Coaching fail.

5. Cassel was under pressure 16 times. On those plays he ran 7 times, completed no passes, and was sacked 5 times. Get me a new QB.

6. Nobody on defense had a green rating this week. That means everyone was average at best, and there is a lot of red on the page.

7. Interestingly enough, Jovan Belcher had a nice game with 7 stops.

8. We had 0 QB pressures.

9. Nobody in this game was good in coverage. Carr and Flowers were targeted 12 times, and gave up 10 catches for 129 yards. The Dolphins didn't throw at anyone else that much, although Studebaker, DJ, Pieceofshitty and Travis Daniels all gave up one big play each.

PFF's recap:

"5. Cassel was under pressure 16 times. On those plays he ran 7 times, completed no passes, and was sacked 5 times. Get me a new QB."

Mother ****ing this.

Cassel rape fest to come in 5...4...3...

I've said before that O'Connell is the worst player in the entire NFL. There is absolutely nothing he brings to the team in any facet.

Five blitzes when the QB is carving your secondary apart...wow.

Where's that "Get Romeo an Extension" thread?

Everyone had a bad game ... players & coaches ... what we need is a divisional game vs a weaker foe & a worse QB ......... hey!!

When isn't CP a MC rape fest?

He's not good.....most of us are pissed about not having a good QB on this team.

Someone made a great point the other day....A good QB can make a bad team look good.....a bad QB can make a good team look bad.

Our KC Chiefs have the latter. And it's always going to be that way. Teams know, put a little pressure on MC, and he shits his pants.....plain n simple.


Now, there is enough blame to go around for the piss pounding this team took last Sunday. The Oline was indeed horrible, regardless of what PFF says, we all saw that game, the Oline was mostly the problem on offense. The other part of that was the playcalling. Both were unacceptable on many levels.

The defense couldn't stop the passing game, couldn't put any pressure on their QB.

I really do think the MNF game got to us...like it was a damn SB or something...because you just don't get piss pounded like that at home against the worst team in football (not named Indy) who has yet to win a game, unless 1 or 2 things..(or in this case, maybe a combo of the 2)...1 - This team was horrifically unprepared. 2 - This team wasn't focused and thought they would just run all over MIA and think it was going to be a cakewalk.

I haven't been reading all the threads. I'd like to forget about that game. Has anyone even mentioned Tamba getting ****ing pwnd like a n00b in MWIII by Jake Long? I was surprised how thorough that domination was.

Not a coaching fail that there aren't enough to pick up a blitz. The QB is supposed to recognize that and ship protection or hit his hot route.

Yep. That's how the other guys do it.

FAX

we ****ing blow

It looked to me like we weren't prepared for their blitz from a protection or a route standpoint.

It was like the Chiefs were playing Super Tecmo Bowl and the Dolphins guessed their play every time.

Do your gif thing and lets find out.

I hereby declare that Cassel had play opportunities when they brought pressure and just didn't make them.

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Nope, that shit is canceled.

Why didnt the Chargers blitz Cassel more??? Or any team for that matter?

dunno, seems like the fool-proof way to dominate the chiefs to me

YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH

PLEASE tell me you didnt make a deal to have those gifs as a premium only content thingy on WPI?

You're gonna tell me that.....right?

Hmmm.

Well, if I knew how to gif, I would gif the heck out of that game.

I find it very difficult to believe that, on all those pressures, Cassel had no options available to him. I could be wrong, of course, but it's pretty obvious to me that Cassel tends to panic and starts looking at the rushers rather than downfield.

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Don't worry. They will now.

I already reviewed the game and I can tell you it's basically impossible to tell.

They did. In fact, Breaston helped a great deal in that regard as he ran the slant and bailed us out in at least one key 3rd down with some awesome YAC stuff.

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Why's are the GIF's cancelled?

Because I don't give a ****, that's why.

Quitter.

Cassel needs to learn how to use the hot read. Any QB should know when a ****ing blitz is coming.

He saw it a few times. On a couple of those, he checked down to a run and at least one of those had McDervish as the sole running back. He ran up the middle for about -2, I think.

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Thomas Jones, Sabby Pistachio, and O'Connell should be cut. In that order. That creates 3 openings on the roster we can fill with better players off the street.

:banghead:

Getting wasted until 2 AM the night before the game?

Couple things about sundays game IMO. When the defense brings more guys than the oline can block, thats on the qb to check out of that specific play or slide your protection around. Cassel has been a starter for what 4 years, time to move on. Defense is playing with 3rd and 4th stringers on the back end, what do we expect is gonna happen. Plus the MNF game hangover, but this is the NFL and you have to get over that shit.

Anyway, this team has alot of talent. Problem is they don't have alot of depth. When you lose arguably your two best and again arguably most important playmakers in the first two games for the season it's gonna be a tough go. I know injuries happen in the NFL but when it happens to those caliber players, your team tends to go in the shitter. The fact that we won four in a row speaks to the coaching I believe. However, so does laying an egg at home with a chance to take a lead in the division.

We need a new qb, thats been stated over and over and it's obvious. One thing to remember tho is that this is, at most key spots, a very young team. Get a qb in the offseason, load up some depth, hope all our injuries come back healthy and see what happens. In the mean time don't get too worked up over it. In the end it's just football. Relax and watch this young team gain experience and hopefully win some games.

The QB is an extension of the coaching staff.

If Cassel didn't check out to the right play maybe he wasn't properly prepared to do so.

It speaks more to:

Curtis Painter, Kyle Boller, Donovan McNabb and The Miracle.

Maybe so, but thats something he shouldn't have to be told to do on a per game basis. That's college stuff, stuff that was gone over the first day of training camp. MLB comes thru a gap shift the line this way or that way. It's done every week by average NFL qbs.

Problem is our qb didn't play in college.

Dude just pick a side and stay there. I can't handle this much head spinning trying to see which side of the fence you are on from week to week.

You have to prepare for different defenses in different ways.

We had two practices and a walkthrough on a short week. It's pretty clear to me we weren't prepared.

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

I have never ever sat here and said I was impressed with the job Haley was doing this year.

You just seem to be up and down on them from week to week. All I was implying.


It's just hard for me to get excited or upset when we lost three of our best players and we trot a qb like Matt Cassel out there every week.

You can get excited about the team winning, as I have been, and still believe they are a bunch of frauds. I have never once believed we were going anywhere with Haley and Cassel this year.

In fact a few weeks ago I plainly stated I was ready to enjoy another season of mediocrity. Because that's what I've been doing for 20 years.

And when we beast Tebow this week I'll have fun with it.

This is kinda how I feel. I am higher on Haley than you are but Cassel not so much. I will enjoy wins and agonize over losses but, the injuries just really took it outa me this year.

Do you think the whole team is a fraud? I tend to think we are actually a few players away from competing.

We are a few players away from competing, yet routinely get blown out.

So we are a HC and a QB away from competing.

Right now, we are 1 player away from competing.

Quarterback.

From being a legitimate superbowl favorite (as in a top 3 contender for the whole pie) I think we are probably 2 or 3, if they are the right players.

QB
RT
NT

The resto fo the pieces are there, they just need to develop IMO.

So what are your thoughts on unloading picks to get one of the top qbs in this class like the Jets with Sanchez? Are we where they were the year before?

This was sorta my thinking. It's actually encouraging that we are such a young football team.

This team desperately needs a complementary pass rusher more than it needs a RT or NT.

We are pretty close but in the end I think a new head coach is going to want to bring in his own players and install his own system and we will end up building up the roster again.

Haley is not winning jack here.

That's not happening, so why think about it?

Cassel is going to be the QB next year and will be bitching about the same things we have been bitching about since 2009.

Statistically he is on pace to have a nearly identical season.

I still think that once Stanzi gets a chance, a lot on this team will change for the better.

There will be growing pains, but there are really only 3 quarterbacks out of this upcoming class that I think might be better than him.

Luck
Barkley
Foles

I really dont think Landry Jones is head and shoulders a better quarterback.

Tamba was too upset about JoePa. He'll bounce back this week.

I don't think Haley goes anywhere man. With the injuries to your best players and the qb situation it's gonna be tough to get rid of him. Until Sunday the players were playing extremely hard for him.


IMO and this might be wrong so flame away at me, but coaches take too much of the blame or reward when it comes to the NFL. In the end players play. How many times have we seen a wr running wide open down the seem or on a deep flag pattern only to be missed or overthrown. Coach can't make that play. He can however put someone else in who can. That's where my beef with this coaching staff comes from.

That's really foolish.

This team does not have the depth to withstand injuries, which will invariably happen.

With a franchise QB and a difference maker at NT, you're right that 1-22 would be good enough to compete with most any team. But 23-53 is still, by and large, a horrible collection of players.

No way, bro.

Look at how he handles pressure.

Now, look again at our upcoming schedule and its ability to rush the passer to further expose MC.

I think that if Cassel makes it out of that alive, he will have a very loose grip on the starters job.

I'll admit that about all I have seen on the guy was in the preseason (didn't watch alot of Iowa games) but I think you might be building Stanzi up a little.

If it were me (and i've already got trashed for this in the draft forum by jd) I'd try and get Mallet from the pats. I think we messed up by not picking him last year in the second or third.

I didn't say he would be fired, not in this thread anyway. You'd have a pretty hard time not firing him if we lose all of those games in the killer stretch, though. What argument would there be for keeping him? That he can beat bad football teams?

I wouldn't say 23-53 but we def don't have the depth. But I don't think many teams could withstand injuries to the caliber players we have had this year and still be a contender.

Look at the Steelers a few years ago.

The Packers lost Finley, who is better than Moeaki, their #1 RB, had injuries all over the back seven and still won the SB.*


*FWIW, I don't think that's (the Packers' 10-6 plan) something to strive for, as it would be nearly impossible to replace success like that, but they have shown that you can compete at a high level even when decimated by injuries if you have enough guys in key positions.

another draft and free agency like the last two and that should no longer be a big problem.

We have the ammo to score with the best of them on offense (with a franchise quarterback) and a young, playmaking defense that can hold its own.

Is it just me or does my glass have a little more water in it than some of yours'?

They also had a qb play at a HOF level throughout the playoffs. But I do see what you are sayin. However, their #1 RB wasn't a large part of their offense and the guys they lost on the back side weren't a difference maker like Berry.


If Woodson or Mathews goes down, they likely don't win a SB last year.

You are overrating our defense. That Raiders game made it look like much more of a playmaking D than what it really is, which is a bend-but-don't-break D with solid corners, a really good MLB, and one pass rusher.

A defense like that is going to get carved up by good offenses, and it has.

They lost Woodson in the SB. He broke his collarbone.

Franchise quarterbacks keep you in any game, no matter what.

They come in and give you the ability to score...even with subpar weapons around them.

A franchise quarterback with these weapons at his disposal and a playmaking defense could compete against any team in football.

Even over a season like this one where we lost some of our best players for the year.

Oh I feel the same way, I just question our ability to get a franchise qb. Honestly I don't know what I would do if we did get one.

You're preaching to the choir about that, but where is this defense in four years, which is essentially the soonest that we'd have a franchise QB who is ready to go?

Has Haley ever beaten a competent team with a strong showing besides the Pitt game in 09?

Right now the last two drafts are not looking that special.

Losing Berry really has hurt our defense more than I thought it would. But to be a good d in the league you have to create turnovers and pressure the qb. We can do the first when healthy but like you have stated we really need more of a passhrush. I hoped HOuston would bring that and he eventually might. This has been a tough year for rookies especially on defense, leaguewide.

No, unless you count the MNF Chargers game.

The credibility of this entire regime is based on beating bad football teams and taking advantage of lousy QBs.

While I mostly agree there, I also would like to say that I think this defense is completely different with Berry.

Similar to how Baltimore and Pittsburghs defenses play without Reed/Polamalu.

I bet we had to put 30% of the defensive playbook back in the cupboard once Berry went down.

I know how you feel about McCluster as I'm starting to come to the darkside with you on that. But Arenas and Mo ( when healthy are greatly underappreciated on CP). This years class is tough to eval, with the lockout and all.

Arenas is a good player.

We have no idea if Berry and Moeaki can come back from their injuries.

Totally agree with you here. However you aren't going to beat good football teams alot in this league with a qb that can't carry you. I know this has been beat to death but it's really all that needs to be said.

I'd say it's pretty pessimistic to assume that Berry won't. I'm sure that Moeaki can, too, but he may very well get his dick ripped off in the Nautilus machine while doing leg curls for his rehab, so who the hell knows about him.

I think Mo can because he has done it before and I tend to think Berry will have a better chance to than Charles. ACL tears aren't what they used to be with the technology we have now. It's not gonna be easy by any stretch as that rehab is turrible but the good thing about it being those three go down is that they seem to have a love affair with football and they are so youn.g

This. ROFL

I think this.


I made the comparison the other day that, if the Ravens lost Reed and Rice it would be very tough for them to compete.

some are just reaching their prime, others are already in it. Some are past it.

Also, the way we have drafted and maneuvered in free agency over the last two offseasons leads me to believe that this team is gonna continue to get more talented and deeper across the board.
I completely disagree.

Relatively speaking, of course.

and their second receiving option.

No one replied or said anything about it so I'll ask again: What would be everyone's thought about trying to get Mallett from the Pats? You could keep most of this years draft to add more talent and get a guy that already is better and has more potential than our qb does.

Again I like some aspects of this and don't like some. Just throwing it out there.

Very true. Take away Rice and Dickson and Flaaco struggles.

See Alex Smith for further assistance.
See the Chiefs 2010 NFL season with Charlie Weis and Matt Cassel.
See the Patriots 2008 NFL season with Josh McDaniels and Matt Cassel.

A good coaching staff can make any offense be productive.

How many good teams have the 9ers beat this year? We know about the 2010 Chiefs so just by you using that example I question your logic.

And we weren't talking about an offense being productive. We were talking about beating a good team in the league. It took Flaaco going Montana for the Ravens to go into Pitt and win.

The 49ers have beaten tons of good teams this year.

The Bengals in Cinci, the Eagles across the country in Philly (winning there is impressive considering) and the Lions in Detroit. They shitbeat the Bucs, who are a decent team.

The 49ers are a complete team right now and I think they are built to do some real damage in January.

Not with Alex Smith at qb. Sorry but I just don't think we will see a team win a superbowl again without an elite qb.

And I think the Bengals are this years Chiefs. They haven't beaten anyone yet either.

The 49ers are a 90s Chiefs clone. You couldn't make that team any more like the 90s Chiefs. You should know how this script ends.

9ers have beat Cincy, Philly, Tampa Bay, Detriot, and had a VERY close one against Dallas. These are all competent teams and one of which has already proven they can kick our ass. They've done this all in spite of having Alex Smith as their QB.

I'm logically sane thank you. If Haley can't get our offense to produce there's a huge problem with HIM. He has received Le'ron McClain, Steve Breaston, a new gem in Battle, our first round draft pick Baldwin, and Hudson/Gaither. I realize Jamaal and Moeaki are out but a good Coach will make changes when injuries occur. Which is why I point to the 2008 Patriot season.