Haley and Pioli: A History of Getting Their Asses Kicked
 

Yep, these guys have a penchant for getting dominated. Let's review:

2009

Ravens 38, Chiefs 24 - A "close game," but the Chiefs get outgained 501-188. Total domination by the Ravens.

Eagles 34, Chiefs 14 - Outgained 420-196. Cassel has a 124.5 QB rating, cus he's awesome.

Giants 27, Chiefs 16 - The Chiefs score two garbage time TDs that makes the score appear closer than it really was. 429-212.

Chargers 37, Chiefs 7 - Pitiful. 403-203.

Chargers 43, Chiefs 13 - Disgusting. 426-284.

Broncos 44, Chiefs 13 - Appalling. 413-222.


2010

Broncos 49, Chiefs 29 - Suddenly, smart fans realize Pioli and Haley are huge frauds.

Chargers 31, Chiefs 0 - 426-67. Brodie Croyle, you say? I say, look at the first game of 2009. No excuses for this.

Raiders 31, Chiefs 10 - 344-201

Ravens 30, Chiefs 7 - Hey, look! 32 games into the Pioli era and the Chiefs are still getting their asses kicked by the Baltimore Ravens! 390-161.


2011

Bills 41, Chiefs 7 - 364-213

Lions 48, Chiefs 3 - 411-267

Dolphins 31, Chiefs 3 - 351-343. I didn't even realize it was possible to match an opponent yard for yard and lose by 28 with NO TURNOVERS.


Summary:

Haley is 18-23 counting the 2010 Baltimore Ravens playoff scrimmage. In 13 of his 23 losses the team has been outright dominated. And THE MAJORITY of those blowouts have come in the last two years when the Chiefs were supposedly "getting better."

Seven of those losses have come at home, meaning that at least twice a year, Arrowhead Stadium season ticket holders can count on witnessing a complete embarrassment. That's 25% of their gameday experiences for the year. One quarter of the time, Haley and Pioli embarrass Arrowhead Stadium.

Future potential blowouts:

@ New England
Pittsburgh
@Chicago
@New York
Green Bay
Oakland

dumb stat clay

2009 - Matt Cassel
2010 - Matt Cassel
2011 - Matt Cassel
2012??? - Matt Cassel

F MY LIFE

What in the blue hell do you have going on in your avatar now? I think I'm going to have to adblock that thing before it induces a seizure.

You took away the gifs
no one cares anymore

Pioli letting Haley get Pandergast still stings my heart.

Until we get a competent qb it really doesn't matter to me who these guys draft/bring in to "rebuild".

The 2010 Panthers were 2-14, drafted a qb, likely have less talent than we have (although they are talented) and are coached by a first year coach. Think we would beat them right now?

We are 3 years into this regime. When they came in the roster was pretty void of talent. The talent that was here was either old or very young in it's first or second year. I'll give them that it takes time to build up a roster but I can't excuse them from forgetting about the most important position on the field.

We are a very young team right now and are actually when healthy pretty solid 1-21. It's like Hamas said we just aren't talented enough on the back side to take on the injuries we had this year.

Whether it's right or wrong I think the injuries get Haley a pass this year, along with the way the team fought back to get back to 500.

Dang, dude. That took a lot of effort ... for not much impact. I have an idea. Maybe you could start dedicating some of your time and energy to a charity.

By the way, how's LJ these days?

FAX

When's the last time you actually went to a Chiefs game?

It's been awhile.

I'll go again soon, though.

FAX

you're bipolar.

film at 11.

Choose carefully. You have a 1 in 4 of chance of witnessing the Chiefs getting their asses kicked.

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Not to worry, I hear Jeff Fisher's taking over any day now.

That would be the final nail in Pioli's coffin.

The fraud is Matt Cassel. It's Pioli first and stupidest ****ing move and alot of us knew it the day it happened. Februay 28, 2009 is the darkest day in Chiefs history, bc we are actually building a championship roster with a shitty QB leading us.

yeah, except Haley never hired him as his DC...he was hired as a defensive coach with a title to be named later.

He was only named the DC once Romeo turned Pioli down for the job in 2009 because he wasn't healthy enough.

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I think its laughable how some here seem to get a stiffy from talking about the Chiefs losing games over the course of rebuilding years by a greater margin than back in the perennial 9-7/10-6 years.

FFS people...teams quarterbacked by Matt Cassel and missing 4 of its best players are gonna lose some ugly games.

Does he play defense?

No but our all pro safety who is out for the year does.

I think Berry is the biggest loss this year in terms of what it keeps us from doing.

No but he's the leader of the 3 n out offense. An offensive scheme that specializes in giving opposing teams more possessions throughout a game.

A real game-changer I tell ya. Can't believe someone hasn't thought of that before.

Losing Berry, as O. pointed out is big.

And Crennel's bend but don't break scheme in a league with rules that favor offence so heavily is an outdated plan that is asking to be abused.

Good point, Crennel is part of the problem, too.

Notice in micd up that some of the players were talking about the scheme as being part of the problem on the defense against Miami.

Haley returns with something like "the scheme is not the problem"

It was pointed out in a different thread, but losing Berry with teh shit we now have to put in the back 7 has greatly affected our defense on multiple levels.

Berry allowed Lewis to pretty much play center field all the time and move around more. With Berry back there it was alot easier to bring 5 or 6 on a blitz as he could get to places that McGraw or whoever can't get too.

If Clay were our GM we would have different coaches daily. I think coaching makes a difference but at some point, players have to be held accountable.

I would hate to see Clay if our organization was run like the Cowboys or the Faid. He'd be on the ledge all the time.

If your scheme and lack of talent in key areas lead to your defense to giving up points, you're going to get blown out if you have a liability at QB and you can't respond with points of your own.

Without being scared.

Less than bad does not equal good.

This.


I think a playmaking safety has become the most important position on a defense. Maybe a close second to pass rusher. Berry just brings so much versatility to that spot. He can play like a 5th LB on 1 and 2 down and cover on 3, and he is athletic enough to make up for mistakes when he makes them.

Very true.

So U would do better?

On top of that, when you have a bad QB and an offense that can't generate first downs, 3 and out after 3 and out will cause even good defenses to break sometimes.

What 4 players were we missing in the 2010 blowouts?

It doesn't matter. We were getting our asses kicked from the first snap this year with Berry on defense, and we were getting our asses kicked in Detroit before Charles got hurt.

Against Baltimore, I'd go with Dwayne Bowe.

Really doesn't matter.

Unless you have the overall talent of the Ravens defense, or the Giants, teams are going to score points.

Look around the league.

Offenses are dominating.

If you can't score points, you're going to get your ass handed to you on occassion.

This isn't the old days when teams grabbed a lead, then protected it.

Bowe is 4 players?

Just a name to toss out there among the missing.

It's fair that the injuries hurt us this year, but, as has been addressed here numerous times, if Pioli had used some of that cap space to sign a couple serviceable DBs and built some depth through free agency, we wouldn't be using them as such a crutch. I'm not saying that we could get a S to replace Berry's production, but surely we can do better than Piscitelli.

As for the blowouts, it's not all Cassel's fault by any means, but he's just as much of a constant as Haley & Pioli. If it's not obvious that we need a better QB, well....

Frankly, I'm not very happy with any of the 3 between the GM, HC & QB. I'm still holding out hope that they can get this figured out, but my faith slips with every 31-3 loss.

Clay is just wanting attention tonight, more than other nights for some reason. Those three injuries crippled this team.


Honestly was very surprising to me that they won the four they did.

I've been thinking about this post all week.

Bingo.

How many does it take?

I suspect two more of these embarrassments and a lot of people are going to start looking for their pitchforks.

Wait until we lose to Tebow...

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Like I said, you're not going to find someone on the FA trail to replace Eric Berry and Jamaal Charles. But surely the Executive of the Decade can use all that cap space to find someone better than Sabby Piscitelli, Jackie Battle and Leonard Pope to back them up (I know a lot of people like Battle, but I'm not sold...).

I'm probably going to keep holding out hope, because I want them to succeed, but if our QB depth chart still reads

QB1: Cassel
QB2: Stanzi
QB3: Palko

during Week 1 of 2012, I'm pretty much done. Like I said, QB's not the only problem, but it can cover a lot of problems, of which we have many. Pioli outta know that by now.

Casserole receives too much blame. Not to say he is not part of the problem but there are other problems as well. Outside of Hali, Chiefs have no pass rush. I'm convinced DJ will never be a great Linebacker. As much as people praise him he doesn't possess the instincts to be great. I'd like to see the defense a little more revamped by adding another pass rusher and another inside linebacker that could elevate this defense to another level.

Really?

This is the post you are going with?

How do you build a team through the draft. If you don't give your drafties enough time to prove themselves? The first batch is just getting to year 3

Well, what's left of the first batch....

Well, if they are going to run a bend but don't break style of defense, then yeah I'd like too see another pass rusher brought in here.

#3 overall is just starting to get it :)

13 times in 40 games.

That's even worse than Herm. By my count his teams got dominated 10 times in 49 games.

So I see started 2-14. U got a reason for this rhyme?

Pioli is not the problem.

Who traded for Matt Cassel?

Yeah, he only hired Haley and traded for Cassel.

Bill Maas had an interesting take and he said it's from someone in the coaching staff, that with Berry out, McGraw out, Lewis dinged they are having to drop more players into coverage to mask a really bad pair of safeties and nickel back. Said plays where we did blitz the blitzers didn't get there and there were some huge plays off of those.

Right now there's two problems. Hali is our only pass rusher and and the secondary other than Flowers and Carr completely blows.

So he's 1-2 pretty much what you would expect.

I blame him only for hiring Haley. Who I have despised since day one because he's just not HC materiel. I believe Cassel was supposed to be the answer, but obviously hasn't turned out, and will now play the role as a stop gap QB. Pioli builds through the draft. In the next three years you will see Stanzi develop on the bench with Zorn and Pioli continue to draft players who will help him when he takes the field. Mark it down.

really?

Yes really... I've been a low key Dallas fan my entire life. I know what real shitty management feels like.

Guess who's fault that is?

In further news, Gochiefs is a moron. This roster requires 14-17 more players and most importantly a new QB. You CANNOT overhaul a roster in 2.10 seasons.

Pioli has had three offseasons. Three drafts. And we are still getting our asses kicked. AT HOME.

You just don't get it, do you? He practically had to flush 45 players off this roster. You can't do that in a 2 drafts plus (whatever the hell you want to call 2009) and three super weak free agency periods. He can't miracle players into existence.

Further, he hasn't had time to develop his new crop. His 2009 class should just be coming into their own.

Lastly, YOU ARE A HACK.

By the formerly 0-7 Dolphins.

And Pioli acquired said QB and passed on upgrading the depth through free agency. I don't want his head on a pike like GC seems to, but I definitely see some problems here... Pioli's got time to get my trust back, but I don't know why he thought that Piscitelli would be a good addition in any sense of the word.

Yea, why didn't we trade the Herschel Walker pick?

Matt Cassel and Jamaal Charles couldn't even lick Aikman and Emitt's jock strap. Not a very fair comparison.

Edit: Same goes for Bowe and Irwin.

The intent is to show you can go from 1-15 to upper-echelon team in a short span.

Pioli and Haley have had plenty of time.

They suck.

No you suck. You can't ignore the Herschel Walker deal in the 1989 Dallas Cowboys turnaround. You would give up on rebuilding the roster and the culture of KC when it is 70% complete?

Well guys, the empire state building is taking too long to build, let's knock it down and start over. ****ing ridiculous.

There are plenty of other examples.

Getting their ass handed to them three times in eight games after three offseasons is positively dreadful. They have had enough time that this shit should not be happening. We look as bad as we did the year they got here.

Yes, you can go from 1-15 to the Superbowl. All you need is three future HOFamers and a incompetent franchise to trade with. A lot of factors play into how quickly a franchise becomes king shit. How strong have the past 4 FA's been? How about the draft classes? How bad was the team when Pioli received it and how many players from the 09 season are still with us? How about the Lockout? Does it change how a young team like us may play? Lingering injuries in key positions? Too many variables here to compare our franchise to the 90s Cowboys.

It should be noted we made the playoffs last season. Regardless of how... It's a form of success.

So QB is good to go? Oh a lineman.

Yeah, guess it gives you a reason for existence. :doh!:

That is what I am scared to death of. I'll want to shoot all three of them if that happens.

WTF How do you figure that.

flipped it for you

The 2008 Dolphins say hi.

QB
RT
NT
WR2
completely false.

C'mon man.
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1 of those offseasons was cut short due to the late hiring of staff and personnel and another was cut short due to a lockout. The last two offseasons have been pretty damn good.

"balla ass GM"

We look as bad as when he took over?

Really?

We won 2 games the previous year and broke records for futility.

At the halfway point, even with 3 blowout losses, we are still leading our division at the midway point.

With Cassel and missing Moeaki, Charles and Berry.