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MMXcalibur 11-17-2011 11:36 PM

Tim Tebow is a shitty quarterback.
 
Repost?

ShowtimeSBMVP 11-17-2011 11:39 PM

Tebow>cassel

Mama Hip Rockets 11-17-2011 11:42 PM

He is an excellent fullback though. That's all that matters.

Dr. Johnny Fever 11-17-2011 11:43 PM

4-1

Quesadilla Joe 11-17-2011 11:45 PM

For the first 3 quarters. But in crunch time there isn't a QB in the NFL that I would rather have than Tim Tebow. He isn't afraid of the moment and that causes the people around him to not be afraid either.

When we got the ball at the 5 yard line, with 5 minutes to go, I 100% believed that we were going to score a TD and win the game. Even though we hadn't been able to get a first down all game long, I just knew that we were going to march 95 yards to victory.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 11-17-2011 11:45 PM

Vince Young all over again

BIG_DADDY 11-17-2011 11:45 PM

You just want to be a part of something

ShowtimeSBMVP 11-17-2011 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie (Post 8120085)
Vince Young all over again

Nah tebow anit messed up in the head.

Mojo Jojo 11-17-2011 11:51 PM

He knows how to score on the Chiefs.

Mama Hip Rockets 11-17-2011 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 8120083)
For the first 3 quarters. But in crunch time there isn't a QB in the NFL that I would rather have than Tim Tebow.

You would rather have Tim Tebow than Aaron Rodgers? Really?

Mama Hip Rockets 11-17-2011 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by beer me (Post 8120079)
4-1

They are winning in spite of him, not because of him. The guy is one of the worst QBs I have ever seen.

MMXcalibur 11-17-2011 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 8120114)
You would rather have Tim Tebow than Aaron Rodgers? Really?

The reerun is strong with him.

milkman 11-18-2011 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 8120083)
For the first 3 quarters. But in crunch time there isn't a QB in the NFL that I would rather have than Tim Tebow. He isn't afraid of the moment and that causes the people around him to not be afraid either.

When we got the ball at the 5 yard line, with 5 minutes to go, I 100% believed that we were going to score a TD and win the game. Even though we hadn't been able to get a first down all game long, I just knew that we were going to march 95 yards to victory.

It's those first three quarters that are going to kill the Donkeys when they face offenses that can actaully score.

Those last minute heroics will be nothing more than garbage time points then.

Pitt Gorilla 11-18-2011 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 8120114)
You would rather have Tim Tebow than Aaron Rodgers? Really?

Nobody is that dumb. Seriously.

Mama Hip Rockets 11-18-2011 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8120119)
It's those first three quarters that are going to kill the Donkeys when they face offenses that can actaully score.

Those last minute heroics will be nothing more than garbage time points then.

You mean like when they played the Lions a few weeks ago and lost 45-10 or something?

milkman 11-18-2011 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 8120134)
You mean like when they played the Lions a few weeks ago and lost 45-10 or something?

Yeah, something like that.

Extra Point 11-18-2011 12:10 AM

All the Chiefs have to do, is let Aaron's little bro declare this draft. The Cassel sessions for tutoring, will only be film of Aaron, vs all opponents, this season.

Quesadilla Joe 11-18-2011 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 8120114)
You would rather have Tim Tebow than Aaron Rodgers? Really?

Rodgers is a beast. But Tebow is money with the game on the line. You can have excellent coverage and a passrush and there isn't anything Rodgers can do about it, but it doesn't matter what you do on defense against Tebow... one way or another Tebow is going to make the plays to win the game.

BIG_DADDY 11-18-2011 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 8120153)
Rodgers is a beast. But Tebow is money with the game on the line. You can have excellent coverage and a passrush get to Rodgers, but it doesn't matter what you do on defense against Tebow... one way or another Tebow is going to make the plays to win the game.

Dude, I am the guy with the God Bless Tebow thread. In his present state Tebow can't hold Rodgers jock strap. Quit embarrassing yourself.

stevieray 11-18-2011 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 8120153)
Rodgers is a beast. But Tebow is money with the game on the line. You can have excellent coverage and a passrush and there isn't anything Rodgers can do about it, but it doesn't matter what you do on defense against Tebow... one way or another Tebow is going to make the plays to win the game.

I see a lot of disappointment in your future.

listopencil 11-18-2011 12:30 AM

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milkman 11-18-2011 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 8120153)
Rodgers is a beast. But Tebow is money with the game on the line. You can have excellent coverage and a passrush and there isn't anything Rodgers can do about it, but it doesn't matter what you do on defense against Tebow... one way or another Tebow is going to make the plays to win the game.

Holy shit!

ROFL

BigMeatballDave 11-18-2011 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 8120153)
Rodgers is a beast. But Tebow is money with the game on the line. You can have excellent coverage and a passrush and there isn't anything Rodgers can do about it, but it doesn't matter what you do on defense against Tebow... one way or another Tebow is going to make the plays to win the game.

LMAO Wow

veist 11-18-2011 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 8120083)
For the first 3 quarters. But in crunch time there isn't a QB in the NFL that I would rather have than Tim Tebow. He isn't afraid of the moment and that causes the people around him to not be afraid either.

When we got the ball at the 5 yard line, with 5 minutes to go, I 100% believed that we were going to score a TD and win the game. Even though we hadn't been able to get a first down all game long, I just knew that we were going to march 95 yards to victory.

I'd rather have Aaron Rodgers than Tebow in any game situation. I mean this isn't even close, its like saying would you rather have a pedal car or a Ferrari? Especially since he'll have scored six touchdowns against the Broncos so it won't matter what Tebow does when he finally decides to not suck for 5 minutes or so.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-18-2011 01:36 AM

Rodgers is one of the best running QBs in the NFL, you jackass. Not only that, he can actually make plays from the pocket and outside of it with his arm.

The only thing that Tebow does well he arguably does little to no better than Rodgers.

Good God, you're as good off having Jacquizz Rodgers at QB as Tebow. Both throw the ball equally well.

chiefs1111 11-18-2011 01:38 AM

Super Bowls won

Rodgers 1
Tebow 0

Red Dawg 11-18-2011 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 8120083)
For the first 3 quarters. But in crunch time there isn't a QB in the NFL that I would rather have than Tim Tebow. He isn't afraid of the moment and that causes the people around him to not be afraid either.

When we got the ball at the 5 yard line, with 5 minutes to go, I 100% believed that we were going to score a TD and win the game. Even though we hadn't been able to get a first down all game long, I just knew that we were going to march 95 yards to victory.


Give me a fugging break. He's a gimick at best and good for you that he's 4-1 but it not becasue of his play. The Denver defense is by far the biggest reason. Tebow will never win you the AFC much less the SB.

MagicHef 11-18-2011 03:37 AM

I love that he upsets non-Broncos fans so much.

Fritz88 11-18-2011 04:55 AM

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_as.../449085055.jpg

threebag 11-18-2011 05:18 AM

LMAO @ knowmo

evenfall 11-18-2011 05:35 AM

This board's obsession with Tebow is getting a little weird, at this point.

Quesadilla Joe 11-18-2011 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8120252)
Rodgers is one of the best running QBs in the NFL, you jackass. Not only that, he can actually make plays from the pocket and outside of it with his arm.

The only thing that Tebow does well he arguably does little to no better than Rodgers.

Good God, you're as good off having Jacquizz Rodgers at QB as Tebow. Both throw the ball equally well.

Mark Sanchez, Jimmy Clausen, and Vernon Gholston are fantastic players.

JD10367 11-18-2011 07:08 AM

Okay, as Jack Webb said, "just the facts":

1.) Knowmo clearly huffs paint. Just off the top of my head, "in crunch time" I'd rather have Brady, Rodgers, Brees, P. Manning (if he was healthy), and probably Rapistberger.

2.) Tim Tebow is not "a shitty quarterback". He's not a very good passer (at least at the moment). Time will tell if he gets better at that. But being the quarterback is not just about throwing pretty passes; there are other factors as well. It's also about clock management, decision-making, your ability to scramble, your ability to win, the amount of confidence your teammates have in you... all areas where Tebow seems, for some reason, to have advantages. The buzzword is "intangibles". He seems to have 'em. Frankly, given the choice between a pure passer who can't do anything else right, or a guy like Tebow who seems to do everything else except pass the ball, I'd take the Tebow guy. You can teach someone how to throw the ball; you can't teach someone how to win, how to be cool under pressure, how to rally his teammates, etc.,. Cool is Brady driving the ball in the '01 SB and then spiking it and calmly flipping it to the ref. Cool is Joe Montana in the waning minutes of the Super Bowl, pointing out John Candy. And cool is doing jack shit all day and getting the ball back with 5 minutes to go, on your 5, and getting the winning TD pretty much by yourself. If Matt Cassel ever did that, there'd be jizz covering the midwest.

3.) Having said that, life for a running quarterback usually doesn't turn out so well. Even the supposed best-of-the-best (Dogkiller) can be figured out eventually... or, at least, beaten into submission. Running quarterbacks not only have a game you can counter (if you have the coaching brainpower and personnel), but they get killed physically. If he doesn't learn to throw the ball without taking hits, his career will last only a few seasons. And better teams WILL figure it out. What he pulled against the Jets may not fly against the Steelers or Ravens... or even against the Patriots, or another team that can simply outscore Denver. If the Broncos are down 35-7 by the 4th, Tebow's heroics won't help. It's only good for one score, apparently.

Bottom line: as the sole starting quarterback on a not-great team, Tebow's magic will run out. But if given time to learn how to throw properly, and used as a change-of-pace QB in the meantime until he learns how to throw, there's nothing wrong with him. And, on a better team, they might be able to use him as a starter and overcome his passing shortcomings. I'd love to have him back up Brady, personally.

I'm not really sure why there's such a backlash against Tebow's religion. I mean, there are plenty of athletes who are religious. If, in a postgame, I hear one more player "thank Jesus for blessing me with the physical skills" blah blah blah, I'll shoot someone. Why does Tebow get such flak? Is it, weirdly enough, because he's white? I think so, although I can't figure out why. He seems like a nice enough guy, and--as was pointed out elsewhere--if he was Jewish we wouldn't be making Hanukkah jokes, would we? Why is the fact that he's such a religious Christian rub people the wrong way? People picking on him all the time, plus the fact that people pick on his inability to throw the ball, make me actually root for him more and more with each win, despite my Bronco hatred. I'd be fine if the Broncos lose because Tebow plays great and one of his teammates makes a bonehead turnover. And I'm atheist/agnostic. :shrug:

Mr. Plow 11-18-2011 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 8120114)
You would rather have Tim Tebow than Aaron Rodgers? Really?


He also said that Tebow should have been the #1 pick in the draft.

BoneKrusher 11-18-2011 07:35 AM

this thread speaks volumes on how good Matt Cassel really is.

FringeNC 11-18-2011 07:43 AM

Winning games against good teams is all about being able to throw the ball. The Broncos can't do that, and the Chiefs can't either (at least with Cassel).

durtyrute 11-18-2011 07:58 AM

THe Donks will have a better record than we will. FML

Pasta Little Brioni 11-18-2011 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8120119)
It's those first three quarters that are going to kill the Donkeys when they face offenses that can actaully score.

Those last minute heroics will be nothing more than garbage time points then.

Yep, Rodgers would have had 35 plus on the board by then (like he did earlier against the Donkeys) and that last minute garbage time drive would be for naught. Like I said earlier in the week, if they win the game it's because Sanchez is more inept and that pick 6 he threw was a backbreaker.

Radar Chief 11-18-2011 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by durtyrute (Post 8120313)
THe Donks will have a better record than we will. FML

Which isn't saying much.
A lot of other teams will also.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-18-2011 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 8120153)
Rodgers is a beast. But Tebow is money with the game on the line. You can have excellent coverage and a passrush and there isn't anything Rodgers can do about it, but it doesn't matter what you do on defense against Tebow... one way or another Tebow is going to make the plays to win the game.

Rodgers runs an offense that consistently puts up 30 plus a game, Tebow can't even crack 20. I guess God's Hand is causing all opposing QB's to out suck him or some shit.

BigCatDaddy 11-18-2011 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie (Post 8120085)
Vince Young all over again

That was my first thought to. He reminds me a lot of Vince in his rookie year.

Radar Chief 11-18-2011 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8120252)
Rodgers is one of the best running QBs in the NFL, you jackass. Not only that, he can actually make plays from the pocket and outside of it with his arm.

The only thing that Tebow does well he arguably does little to no better than Rodgers.

Good God, you're as good off having Jacquizz Rodgers at QB as Tebow. Both throw the ball equally well.

While I agree with the rest of your post you’re not going to see Rodgers breaking arm tackles, stiff arming line backers and dropping a shoulder into a safety for extra yards. Granted that’s partially because he doesn’t have to but it’s also because Tebow isn’t just a little bit better at running, he’s a lot better. Obviously if he doesn’t learn to throw he’ll have a three season career, maybe, but give the man his due.
In the meantime, I’m just amazed that NFL teams are actually being beaten by Jake Plummer’s less talented clone.

Fansy the Famous Bard 11-18-2011 08:16 AM

I am of the firm belief that knowmo is a sock. Nobody is that stupid.

bevischief 11-18-2011 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoneKrusher (Post 8120300)
this thread speaks volumes on how good Matt Cassel really is.

ROFL

Bacillus Anthracis 11-18-2011 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8120320)
Rodgers runs an offense that consistently puts up 30 plus a game, Tebow can't even crack 20. I guess God's Hand is causing all opposing QB's to out suck him or some shit.

They put up 38 against the Raiders.


I'm gonna go step in front of a bus now.

BoneKrusher 11-18-2011 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoneKrusher (Post 8120300)
this thread speaks volumes on how good Matt Cassel really is.

think i should i have said How bad Matt Cassel is.:thumb:

Lzen 11-18-2011 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 8120292)
Okay, as Jack Webb said, "just the facts":

1.) Knowmo clearly huffs paint. Just off the top of my head, "in crunch time" I'd rather have Brady, Rodgers, Brees, P. Manning (if he was healthy), and probably Rapistberger.

2.) Tim Tebow is not "a shitty quarterback". He's not a very good passer (at least at the moment). Time will tell if he gets better at that. But being the quarterback is not just about throwing pretty passes; there are other factors as well. It's also about clock management, decision-making, your ability to scramble, your ability to win, the amount of confidence your teammates have in you... all areas where Tebow seems, for some reason, to have advantages. The buzzword is "intangibles". He seems to have 'em. Frankly, given the choice between a pure passer who can't do anything else right, or a guy like Tebow who seems to do everything else except pass the ball, I'd take the Tebow guy. You can teach someone how to throw the ball; you can't teach someone how to win, how to be cool under pressure, how to rally his teammates, etc.,. Cool is Brady driving the ball in the '01 SB and then spiking it and calmly flipping it to the ref. Cool is Joe Montana in the waning minutes of the Super Bowl, pointing out John Candy. And cool is doing jack shit all day and getting the ball back with 5 minutes to go, on your 5, and getting the winning TD pretty much by yourself. If Matt Cassel ever did that, there'd be jizz covering the midwest.

3.) Having said that, life for a running quarterback usually doesn't turn out so well. Even the supposed best-of-the-best (Dogkiller) can be figured out eventually... or, at least, beaten into submission. Running quarterbacks not only have a game you can counter (if you have the coaching brainpower and personnel), but they get killed physically. If he doesn't learn to throw the ball without taking hits, his career will last only a few seasons. And better teams WILL figure it out. What he pulled against the Jets may not fly against the Steelers or Ravens... or even against the Patriots, or another team that can simply outscore Denver. If the Broncos are down 35-7 by the 4th, Tebow's heroics won't help. It's only good for one score, apparently.

Bottom line: as the sole starting quarterback on a not-great team, Tebow's magic will run out. But if given time to learn how to throw properly, and used as a change-of-pace QB in the meantime until he learns how to throw, there's nothing wrong with him. And, on a better team, they might be able to use him as a starter and overcome his passing shortcomings. I'd love to have him back up Brady, personally.

I'm not really sure why there's such a backlash against Tebow's religion. I mean, there are plenty of athletes who are religious. If, in a postgame, I hear one more player "thank Jesus for blessing me with the physical skills" blah blah blah, I'll shoot someone. Why does Tebow get such flak? Is it, weirdly enough, because he's white? I think so, although I can't figure out why. He seems like a nice enough guy, and--as was pointed out elsewhere--if he was Jewish we wouldn't be making Hanukkah jokes, would we? Why is the fact that he's such a religious Christian rub people the wrong way? People picking on him all the time, plus the fact that people pick on his inability to throw the ball, make me actually root for him more and more with each win, despite my Bronco hatred. I'd be fine if the Broncos lose because Tebow plays great and one of his teammates makes a bonehead turnover. And I'm atheist/agnostic. :shrug:

Solid. :thumb:

Dave Lane 11-18-2011 10:38 AM

Jamarcus Russel > Tebow as a QB

whoman69 11-18-2011 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 8120292)
Okay, as Jack Webb said, "just the facts":

1.) Knowmo clearly huffs paint. Just off the top of my head, "in crunch time" I'd rather have Brady, Rodgers, Brees, P. Manning (if he was healthy), and probably Rapistberger.

2.) Tim Tebow is not "a shitty quarterback". He's not a very good passer (at least at the moment). Time will tell if he gets better at that. But being the quarterback is not just about throwing pretty passes; there are other factors as well. It's also about clock management, decision-making, your ability to scramble, your ability to win, the amount of confidence your teammates have in you... all areas where Tebow seems, for some reason, to have advantages. The buzzword is "intangibles". He seems to have 'em. Frankly, given the choice between a pure passer who can't do anything else right, or a guy like Tebow who seems to do everything else except pass the ball, I'd take the Tebow guy. You can teach someone how to throw the ball; you can't teach someone how to win, how to be cool under pressure, how to rally his teammates, etc.,. Cool is Brady driving the ball in the '01 SB and then spiking it and calmly flipping it to the ref. Cool is Joe Montana in the waning minutes of the Super Bowl, pointing out John Candy. And cool is doing jack shit all day and getting the ball back with 5 minutes to go, on your 5, and getting the winning TD pretty much by yourself. If Matt Cassel ever did that, there'd be jizz covering the midwest.

3.) Having said that, life for a running quarterback usually doesn't turn out so well. Even the supposed best-of-the-best (Dogkiller) can be figured out eventually... or, at least, beaten into submission. Running quarterbacks not only have a game you can counter (if you have the coaching brainpower and personnel), but they get killed physically. If he doesn't learn to throw the ball without taking hits, his career will last only a few seasons. And better teams WILL figure it out. What he pulled against the Jets may not fly against the Steelers or Ravens... or even against the Patriots, or another team that can simply outscore Denver. If the Broncos are down 35-7 by the 4th, Tebow's heroics won't help. It's only good for one score, apparently.

Bottom line: as the sole starting quarterback on a not-great team, Tebow's magic will run out. But if given time to learn how to throw properly, and used as a change-of-pace QB in the meantime until he learns how to throw, there's nothing wrong with him. And, on a better team, they might be able to use him as a starter and overcome his passing shortcomings. I'd love to have him back up Brady, personally.

I'm not really sure why there's such a backlash against Tebow's religion. I mean, there are plenty of athletes who are religious. If, in a postgame, I hear one more player "thank Jesus for blessing me with the physical skills" blah blah blah, I'll shoot someone. Why does Tebow get such flak? Is it, weirdly enough, because he's white? I think so, although I can't figure out why. He seems like a nice enough guy, and--as was pointed out elsewhere--if he was Jewish we wouldn't be making Hanukkah jokes, would we? Why is the fact that he's such a religious Christian rub people the wrong way? People picking on him all the time, plus the fact that people pick on his inability to throw the ball, make me actually root for him more and more with each win, despite my Bronco hatred. I'd be fine if the Broncos lose because Tebow plays great and one of his teammates makes a bonehead turnover. And I'm atheist/agnostic. :shrug:

Good read. But I think Tebow is a lot like Cassel in regard to the fact when it comes to the heat of the game, he reverts back to what he has done in the past.

Mama Hip Rockets 11-18-2011 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 8120153)
Rodgers is a beast. But Tebow is money with the game on the line. You can have excellent coverage and a passrush and there isn't anything Rodgers can do about it, but it doesn't matter what you do on defense against Tebow... one way or another Tebow is going to make the plays to win the game.

You are literally the dumbest person on earth.

kcfanXIII 11-18-2011 12:36 PM

knowmo has had a huge man crush on teabag since the donkeys spent a first rounder on him. i remember seeing him say that teblow would be a bigger star then michal jordan.

listopencil 11-18-2011 01:44 PM

The best swordsman in the world doesn't need to fear the second best swordsman in the world; no, the person for him to be afraid of is some ignorant antagonist who has never had a sword in his hand before; he doesn't do the thing he ought to do and so the expert isn't prepared for him; he does the thing he ought not to do; and often it catches the expert out and ends him on the spot

Pasta Little Brioni 11-18-2011 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bacillus Anthracis (Post 8120376)
They put up 38 against the Raiders.


I'm gonna go step in front of a bus now.

They don't count. Plus they had a punt return TD and multiple Palmerceptions to fluff that score.

4th and Long 11-18-2011 01:50 PM

Tebow out of the pocket > Tebow in the pocket

Pasta Little Brioni 11-18-2011 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 8120876)
The best swordsman in the world doesn't need to fear the second best swordsman in the world; no, the person for him to be afraid of is some ignorant antagonist who has never had a sword in his hand before; he doesn't do the thing he ought to do and so the expert isn't prepared for him; he does the thing he ought not to do; and often it catches the expert out and ends him on the spot

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how poor the dude throws the football. Like someone said earlier, the passes are so far off the defender doesn't have a chance to intercept it. It's pretty much a Wildcat (Jesus) offense at this point and like the Fins it will end badly if he can't improve his accuracy.

Mile High Mania 11-18-2011 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8120897)
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how poor the dude throws the football. Like someone said earlier, the passes are so far off the defender doesn't have a chance to intercept it. It's pretty much a Wildcat (Jesus) offense at this point and like the Fins it will end badly if he can't improve his accuracy.

All true and if things play out and he remains the QB... they need to address the weapons in the passing game.

Decker has the makings of being a Jordy Nelson type... but, that's not a #1 receiver which is what he is playing as right now in that offense. Thomas needs to step up. Royal is a good #3 type.

They have NOTHING worth suiting up at TE and that is where the big issue is in my opinion, that and a solid pass catching RB.

The short passing game is what will help them if Tebow is to remain the QB. Go find weapons that can be effective 10-15 yards out and build around the successful aspects of what their doing today.

Right now, Tebow stands back there and it's really either Decker or Royal... 15+ yards and that is what is not sustainable with this QB. They need more options, people that can play within this scheme. If they don't do that, then they need to go another direction with QB.

If they want to ride this train, keep the fans excited and build around Tebow - making him a better passing QB, do these things.

T-post Tom 11-18-2011 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 8120153)
Rodgers is a beast. But Tebow is money with the game on the line. You can have excellent coverage and a passrush and there isn't anything Rodgers can do about it, but it doesn't matter what you do on defense against Tebow... one way or another Tebow is going to make the plays to win the game.

Thank you. That is the best laugh I've had all day.

veist 11-18-2011 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radar Chief (Post 8120335)
While I agree with the rest of your post you’re not going to see Rodgers breaking arm tackles, stiff arming line backers and dropping a shoulder into a safety for extra yards. Granted that’s partially because he doesn’t have to but it’s also because Tebow isn’t just a little bit better at running, he’s a lot better. Obviously if he doesn’t learn to throw he’ll have a three season career, maybe, but give the man his due.
In the meantime, I’m just amazed that NFL teams are actually being beaten by Jake Plummer’s less talented clone.

Watch Rodgers more, he's a very good running QB he just also knows that he can do a whole lot more damage with his arm than his legs. Tebow will collect concussions like pokemon running the way he does. Ask Steve Young (hopefully in a lucid moment) how that worked out for him, and he was actually an accurate passer.

Mile High Mania 11-18-2011 03:18 PM

Mix the following ... Elway with a banged up throwing arm in a sling, Chuck Norris, Mr. Rogers and William Wallace ... you get Tim Tebow.

BoneKrusher 11-18-2011 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 8121131)
Mix the following ... Elway with a banged up throwing arm in a sling, Chuck Norris, Mr. Rogers and William Wallace ... you get Tim Tebow.

ROFL

Tebow has to learn to throw but i like what Denvers doing....

winning.:thumb:

Fansy the Famous Bard 11-18-2011 03:27 PM

I agree with you, except for the Elway, William Wallace and Chuck Norris parts.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-18-2011 03:28 PM

A QB running around like a chicken with his head cut off and beating teams with a combined record of 11-17 late in the game by no means indicates that he has "It". Again, this is Vince Young all over again.

BillSelfsTrophycase 11-18-2011 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durtyrute (Post 8120313)
THe Donks will have a better record than we will. FML


This is good, the lower the draft position, the more they'd have to give up for Luck

Tombstone RJ 11-18-2011 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 8120115)
They are winning in spite of him, not because of him. The guy is one of the worst QBs I have ever seen.

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Radar Chief 11-18-2011 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by veist (Post 8121125)
Watch Rodgers more, he's a very good running QB he just also knows that he can do a whole lot more damage with his arm than his legs. Tebow will collect concussions like pokemon running the way he does. Ask Steve Young (hopefully in a lucid moment) how that worked out for him, and he was actually an accurate passer.

I don’t need to watch Rodgers more, I’m fully aware of what he’s capable of. I've had him on my fantasy team two years in a row for a reason.

Tombstone RJ 11-18-2011 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Carls20yearplan (Post 8121162)
This is good, the lower the draft position, the more they'd have to give up for Luck

I bet Peeeohleee trades the farm for Luck. The Broncos can't afford to trade for Luck, especially if they keep winning.

BillSelfsTrophycase 11-18-2011 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 8121203)
I bet Peeeohleee trades the farm for Luck.


We can dream

Mr. Arrowhead 11-18-2011 04:00 PM

Elways gets pissed the more Tebow wins

FAX 11-18-2011 04:41 PM

I can't believe that guys like Mr. Mile High Mania and Mr. listopencil and guys like that are actually ... discussing ... Tebow like this thing isn't the biggest aberration to hit the game since Lester Hayes covered his entire body with Stickum.

Traditional NFL coaches throughout the league are going to devise defenses that are designed to remove Tebow's head from his torso. After that (and some paper mache and electrical cord), he will make a halfway decent lamp, but that's about it.

FAX

JD10367 11-18-2011 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8120574)
Good read. But I think Tebow is a lot like Cassel in regard to the fact when it comes to the heat of the game, he reverts back to what he has done in the past.

Except Tebow is 4-1 as a starter with 3 comeback wins (two of them by large margins).

Cassel has a (slightly) better arm than Tebow. But Tebow is more of a "winner".

Sadly, I think Tebow may be > Cassel. Cassel's mechanics are usually putrid. He throws the ball high, hard, out of bounds. Cassel shows more flashes of "I can be a real quarterback" than Tebow does. But Tebow puts the W on the board.

Psyko Tek 11-18-2011 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 8120153)
Rodgers is a beast. But Tebow is money with the game on the line. You can have excellent coverage and a passrush and there isn't anything Rodgers can do about it, but it doesn't matter what you do on defense against Tebow... one way or another Tebow is going to make the plays to win the game.

it must be really nice to be happy with whatever you get...

Fansy the Famous Bard 11-18-2011 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 8121307)
Except Tebow is 4-1 as a starter with 3 comeback wins (two of them by large margins).

Cassel has a (slightly) better arm than Tebow. But Tebow is more of a "winner".

Sadly, I think Tebow may be > Cassel. Cassel's mechanics are usually putrid. He throws the ball high, hard, out of bounds. Cassel shows more flashes of "I can be a real quarterback" than Tebow does. But Tebow puts the W on the board.

Um, that's like saying "Kyle Davies is better than Sean O'Sullivan."

In reality, they both suck and shouldn't be a starter for anyone.

Mile High Mania 11-18-2011 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8121300)
I can't believe that guys like Mr. Mile High Mania and Mr. listopencil and guys like that are actually ... discussing ... Tebow like this thing isn't the biggest aberration to hit the game since Lester Hayes covered his entire body with Stickum.

Traditional NFL coaches throughout the league are going to devise defenses that are designed to remove Tebow's head from his torso. After that (and some paper mache and electrical cord), he will make a halfway decent lamp, but that's about it.

FAX

Don't misread me... The current offense is not sustainable. They need to add weapons that play in a more controlled and short passing attack, if Tebow is the QB longterm.

vailpass 11-18-2011 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 8120292)
Okay, as Jack Webb said, "just the facts":

1.) Knowmo clearly huffs paint. Just off the top of my head, "in crunch time" I'd rather have Brady, Rodgers, Brees, P. Manning (if he was healthy), and probably Rapistberger.

2.) Tim Tebow is not "a shitty quarterback". He's not a very good passer (at least at the moment). Time will tell if he gets better at that. But being the quarterback is not just about throwing pretty passes; there are other factors as well. It's also about clock management, decision-making, your ability to scramble, your ability to win, the amount of confidence your teammates have in you... all areas where Tebow seems, for some reason, to have advantages. The buzzword is "intangibles". He seems to have 'em. Frankly, given the choice between a pure passer who can't do anything else right, or a guy like Tebow who seems to do everything else except pass the ball, I'd take the Tebow guy. You can teach someone how to throw the ball; you can't teach someone how to win, how to be cool under pressure, how to rally his teammates, etc.,. Cool is Brady driving the ball in the '01 SB and then spiking it and calmly flipping it to the ref. Cool is Joe Montana in the waning minutes of the Super Bowl, pointing out John Candy. And cool is doing jack shit all day and getting the ball back with 5 minutes to go, on your 5, and getting the winning TD pretty much by yourself. If Matt Cassel ever did that, there'd be jizz covering the midwest.

3.) Having said that, life for a running quarterback usually doesn't turn out so well. Even the supposed best-of-the-best (Dogkiller) can be figured out eventually... or, at least, beaten into submission. Running quarterbacks not only have a game you can counter (if you have the coaching brainpower and personnel), but they get killed physically. If he doesn't learn to throw the ball without taking hits, his career will last only a few seasons. And better teams WILL figure it out. What he pulled against the Jets may not fly against the Steelers or Ravens... or even against the Patriots, or another team that can simply outscore Denver. If the Broncos are down 35-7 by the 4th, Tebow's heroics won't help. It's only good for one score, apparently.

Bottom line: as the sole starting quarterback on a not-great team, Tebow's magic will run out. But if given time to learn how to throw properly, and used as a change-of-pace QB in the meantime until he learns how to throw, there's nothing wrong with him. And, on a better team, they might be able to use him as a starter and overcome his passing shortcomings. I'd love to have him back up Brady, personally.

I'm not really sure why there's such a backlash against Tebow's religion. I mean, there are plenty of athletes who are religious. If, in a postgame, I hear one more player "thank Jesus for blessing me with the physical skills" blah blah blah, I'll shoot someone. Why does Tebow get such flak? Is it, weirdly enough, because he's white? I think so, although I can't figure out why. He seems like a nice enough guy, and--as was pointed out elsewhere--if he was Jewish we wouldn't be making Hanukkah jokes, would we? Why is the fact that he's such a religious Christian rub people the wrong way? People picking on him all the time, plus the fact that people pick on his inability to throw the ball, make me actually root for him more and more with each win, despite my Bronco hatred. I'd be fine if the Broncos lose because Tebow plays great and one of his teammates makes a bonehead turnover. And I'm atheist/agnostic. :shrug:

Rep for an objective, well thought out post.

JD10367 11-18-2011 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 8121379)
Um, that's like saying "Kyle Davies is better than Sean O'Sullivan."

In reality, they both suck and shouldn't be a starter for anyone.

And, yet, Tebow has gone 4-1, with 3 comebacks (2 of them huge). So he must be better.

And, don't forget, while they've beaten the Jets, Chiefs, Raiders, Dolphins, and Bengals (all half-decent, even the Fins despite the record), they only lost to the Raiders and Titans by 3 and the Chargers by 5. A lucky bounce here or there, and Tebow and the Broncos could be 8-2. Just goes to show you how fine the line is in the NFL between "suck" and "great"... :D

Mama Hip Rockets 11-18-2011 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8121153)
A QB running around like a chicken with his head cut off and beating teams with a combined record of 11-17 late in the game by no means indicates that he has "It". Again, this is Vince Young all over again.

Why is this so hard for all these reeruns to understand? Tebow has played terrible games against terrible teams, then made one good play at the end of each one. The one time they played a decent team, they got beaten to a bloody pulp by Detroit.

Matt Cassel had a 10-5 record last year. Does that mean he has "it"?

Goldmember 11-18-2011 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 8121466)
Why is this so hard for all these reeruns to understand? Tebow has played terrible games against terrible teams, then made one good play at the end of each one. The one time they played a decent team, they got beaten to a blood pulp by Detroit.

Matt Cassel had a 10-5 record last year. Does that mean he has "it"?

Cassel has "it", but not the good "it"

Fansy the Famous Bard 11-18-2011 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 8121462)
And, yet, Tebow has gone 4-1, with 3 comebacks (2 of them huge). So he must be better.

And, don't forget, while they've beaten the Jets, Chiefs, Raiders, Dolphins, and Bengals (all half-decent, even the Fins despite the record), they only lost to the Raiders and Titans by 3 and the Chargers by 5. A lucky bounce here or there, and Tebow and the Broncos could be 8-2. Just goes to show you how fine the line is in the NFL between "suck" and "great"... :D

As has been stated on several occasions.. The Donks are winning despite Mr. Tebow - not because of...

Were the Donks able to field a competent QB they'd run away with the division, hands down. They are the best all around team at this point..

You can honestly watch those 10 or so passes a game that flail 5 yards short of the receiver and say "this guys a winner!!!"??

The difference between Cassell and Tebow as it stands today is that everyone sees Cassell for what he is. Give it 2 years, and Tebow will be spoken about the same way in Denver.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-18-2011 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 8121466)
Why is this so hard for all these reeruns to understand? Tebow has played terrible games against terrible teams, then made one good play at the end of each one. The one time they played a decent team, they got beaten to a blood pulp by Detroit.

Matt Cassel had a 10-5 record last year. Does that mean he has "it"?

Because it's more fun to be reactionary and think that everything is either the best or worst thing that has ever happened.

OnTheWarpath15 11-18-2011 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8121153)
A QB running around like a chicken with his head cut off and beating teams with a combined record of 11-17 late in the game by no means indicates that he has "It". Again, this is Vince Young all over again.

Give Tebow some credit - at least he outscored his jersey number on the Wonderlic.


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