I've finally changed my mind about Todd Haley
 

Ignoring his unimpressive W/L record as a head coach, it was apparent after tonight that the idiot has learned absolutely NOTHING about being a head coach in the NFL.

He knows nothing about gameday decisions. He goes for it on 4th down at times when the reward isn't worth the risks, and then turns into Herm's vagina when he should (like tonight in the first quarter).

Hiring Bill Muir was a ****ing shitfest.

Not replacing Lilja OR Weigmann in the past couple of games has been giving our shitty QBs no time to throw whatsoever.

Not figuring out how to stop Tim ****ing Tebow by simply PLAYING THE GODDAMN RUN.

Putting your team in the hands of a garbage player that not even amateur leagues wanted over a QB who could actually be better than feces

And there are so many more.

He's been at this position for three goddamn years, people. Most coaches, if they're any good, start to show flashes of brilliance by their 2nd year. In their 3rd year, they at the very least field a competitive team.

He's good at coaching and player development in the offseason? Newsflash: EVERY coach can find diamonds in the rough. Even Herm had a bunch.

Cassel is the first guy who needs to go. But Haley is a pretty ****ing close second. I'll be pretty pissed if we keep this jackass around next year.

And yes, this was a very important thread that needed to be started.

haley is as good as gone

I don't even know his name, but I saw Green Bay's offensive coordinator is looking for a HC job. Is he a fit at all?

We saw Herm ****ing Edwards and Chan Gailey coach up Tyler Thigpen down the stretch of a doomed season to the point where we didn't get blown out every week.

It's doubtful Todd ****ing Haley and Bill Muir can do the same with Tyler Palko at this juncture, despite the fact he's surrounded with a lot more talent.

Make no mistake. That offense is pretty much all Mike McCarthy (when it comes to coaching, that is)

Plus this guy just looks like a dweeb

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Did we learn nothing from the Haley hire?

Hiring coordinators from offenses led by top-flight quarterbacks is dubious.

We would have been better off promoting Chan Gailey.

ROFL . Mark him off the list

So does McCarthy. Hell, he's borderline special needs in this photo:

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Good Thread! Yes we will continue to suck with that idiot at the helm. The only surprising part to me we didn't look this bad last year!!

We also didn't really play anyone last year.

I do not think that Haley will get fired. I think Matt Cassel will be the starting QB next season. But I think we invest our 1st on a QB. I also think we make a couple of good acquisitions for the OLine. I also think a few weeks from now we will see some of our rookies gets some playing experience to use towards next season.

Yeah, I've been a Haley supporter up to this point. But now I'm totally cool if we fire this bozo. I don't think we will, but whatever...

I originally liked the idea of a guy who had no problems being a complete asshole (especially after Herm's "stand there & do nothing" approach on the sidelines), but it's pretty obvious that this team has no toughness. Hang tight for 30ish minutes, then fall apart. At least Herm's teams* waited until there were 30 seconds left to shit the bed.

This is to say nothing of his reeruned playcalling decisions and stupid press conference quotes. I'm sure we could fill 100 pages of stupid shit he's said since he got here.




*Don't want Herm back. Just want Haley out sooner rather than later.

Last year we had Jamaal Charles. Probably best RB in the game. Last year we had Eric Berry. Top 5 safety in the league. Lasy year we had Tony Moeaki. Not only Cassels check down guy but he allowed Pope to stay in and block more on the Line. Last year we had Waters instead of Lilja. We took a step back instead of forward.

Lot of reasons we are not as good as last year. Biggest is we are missing our very best players.

I'll be happy if they replace Haley with Mike Zimmer, if they decide to make a move.

I couldnt agree more!!! His stoopid gamble that did not pay off was the Most reeruned play I have Ever seen. We were playing descent and All the momentum went to the Pats with the fake kick off. How many times does this dipshit have to go for it to realize it is a High risk low payoff play.

Haley is the Worst coach I have Ever seen period!!

I honestly don't care about the stupid trick plays, this team is just poorly coached. I don't see how any of the Haley defenders can look at this pile of crap, injuries or not, and honestly say that he knows wtf he's doing. And I actually like the guy, but let's call it what it is. This team doesn't even look like it's playing the same game as a team like NE.

We might get lucky if the Eagles fire Andy Reid.

Did he coach for Parcells or Belichick? No.

Reid's Qb selections have been McNabb and Vick.

I want a real Qb for once.

This.

Clean out the entire mess. Top down.

Hey, he coached up Charles. How this is said with a straight face, I don't know. Fumbles. Yeah! Inactive, yeah!

Good dude. Worse than Herm in terms of coaching ability.

Absoloutely! I agree, but I still think there is more to it than just that.

IMO this is the #1 factor !!
Hard to say for certain till all our guys are %100 again, if that ever happens.

Honestly, you could do a lot worse than Donovan McNabb. The Eagles didn't win 10 games a year for a decade by accident.

Reid is a proven offensive coach/x's and o's guy. I'd welcome him after the shitfest we've endured the last six years.

And, he's never won a Super Bowl, so that might shut up the "the same coach has never won a Super Bowl with two different teams" crowd. :p

:thumb: Obviously the way they came out of Camp and got destroyed in the Home Opener-proves your very point. Add to it losing to the Phins and Donks at home-with the Chiefs looking like they would rather be home baking cookies then hitting somebody-also proves this.

That might be getting a little too carried away no?

He "coached up" Bowe too. We'll ignore his first two years, focus on his massive decline Haley's first year, and then point to his fourth year as when he "got it" because of Haley, because correlation implies causation.

I forgot that he also coached up Hali, DJ, Flowers, Carr, Dorsey, Albert, etc.

He's done a laudable job...as a S&T coach.

We're going to fire Clark?

I don't know if there's been a tandem in NFL history that has come to an organization with more pomp and bravado than Pioli and Haley and failed as miserably.

We're not about the sizzle. Riiiiiggghhhtt, Scott. You two clowns are all fizzle. Shove your cliches right up your ass and use The Tree as the tamper.

Who would have thought that "The Tree" would give our organization AIDS.

Playoff victory?

This was Haley's "Huard starting at Denver moment." Results about the same?

I'm concerned.

FAX THE CONCERNED

Best we can hope for is Cassel or Haley gone in the immediate.

If we get REALLY lucky, both. Like, a car hits one of them in the offseason.

Pioli is here for at least two more seasons.

9-6, 34-3

about the same

I hear the old AC at Penn State Sandusky is looking for work... prob be a better fit with this team. .

:thumb: I know and the smug look on Clarks face-the 3 amigos acted like they had already won multiple super bowls-lol

OK, so Pioli puked all over himself in the off-season and assembled a roster devoid of depth. Whether he was hand-tied by Hunt is immaterial. What we know is that someone is going to have to fall on this miserable sword, and this someone will almost certainly be Haley, who has done nothing to absolve himself of a good deal of blame for this team's ineptitude.

Next HC of the Chiefs? Jeff Fisher.

Why? Complete opposite. Defensive minded. Previous HCing experience. "Proven winner." Won't demand total control of the organization.

Pioli will go into full on save-his-own-ass mode and venture outside of The Tree to try to land a "sure thing."

If Pioli thought that he was going to be financially handcuffed by Hunt he would have never taken the offer. It's not like Cleveland didn't offer him the job.

Jeff Fisher would be an improvement. At this point, whatever perceived warts he has, are offset by the fact that he resembles Bill Walsh in comparison to the last six years.

The sad thing is, like a goddamn pavlovian dog, I find myself thinking Fisher looks good right now.

To a certain extent I agree. But I cannot help but compare him to Dayton Moore, who also, presumably, received certain assurances from Glass before accepting the job in KC. However, the situation on the ground sometimes doesn't mirror the sweet talk that occurs during recruiting visits, as it would be unlikely that payroll dollar amounts would make it into a contract.

??? what makes you think that?? Fisher was always a pretty solid coach-he never had much to work with but seemed to get the most out of the crap he had.

There's no question. We'd be tougher, meaner, better prepared, and consistent playoff contenders.

And then promptly get bounced in the first round.

But, ****, that BBQ smells good.

Complete guess, but based on the fact that the next hire is usually the opposite of what just failed.

Pioli has repeatedly stated that Clark has not bogarted the checkbook. If you can believe him (and I don't know why we should) any austerity is, therefore, on his head.

The bad decisions are mounting up, that's for sure. After a loss like this, I have to keep reminding myself that we really are functioning without our best players, without a quarterback, and without any depth whatsoever. Those are all bad things, but Pioli could have and should have done something about two of those.

And, of course, that's not taking into account the somewhat bizarre draft choices we've made.

In year three of a rebuild, you should have something to show for it. We don't. But, not only that, we have once again become a league joke. I can only wonder if the local fans will finally begin boycotting ArrowPointingDownHead Stadium this year.

FAX

Fisher worked for an owner that makes Clark look like a Black Friday shopper.

He's burned out, though. Really burned out.

FAX

Kind of wondered if you'd have some insight on him. No chance he's back on the sidelines soon?

I don't necessarily disagree.

But post McNair, Fisher had to deal with a lot of meddling from his owner if memory serves.

He might do a lot better if he wasn't saddled with an owner who demanded he start a flava clown QB.

When Fisher had McNair that team won playoff games multiple seasons. When they went into the Vince Young/Kerry Collins merry-go-round, shit went south.

As opposed to a meddling GM who saddled the previous coach with a backup/starter (whom he knew "better than anyone")?

Point taken. But we have to hope that Fisher would be smart enough not to come here if he was saddled with Cassel.

He's enjoying time out of the spotlight and between his hottie's legs.

I don't think he would be interested in another coaching job right now ... particularly if he couldn't make personnel decisions.

FAX

Do people really want Jeff Fisher? Me thinks he's done coaching.

Yeah, just too gun-shy about the level of incompetence shown by Pioli to this point. No confidence.

Perhaps, if he would hire a more seasoned HC, one with a stronger voice that he would respect, the two could sort of balance each other out.

And then the whole scenario sounds a lot like Marty and Carl. LMAO.

:thumb: Actually that is a pretty damm good guess. Fisher was pretty respected among his players.

I just realized his son is already linebackers coach with this team. Talk about smooth transition

It's sad to see this thing go so badly at this point.

I don't mind losing on the road to the Pats ... most teams do. It's nothing to be ashamed of. And, to be perfectly honest, we looked pretty damn good for the first 20 minutes or so.

What bothers me is that, as the game unfolds, we don't seem to respond well to what the other team decides to do ... either on offense or defense. No adjustments. No counter-strategy. No chess match.

I know that a lot of times a team is handicapped when it comes to in-game adjustments due to personnel limitations (and we have many this year), but it seems like when the enemy figures out our plan, we're done. And it doesn't seem to matter much who we're playing.

I'm trying really hard not to overreact to this deal, but I have to honestly admit that Haley looked a little lost out there. I feel badly for Palko, too. The little bastard went out there and gave it everything he had and got smushed in return.

The thing that pisses me off is the fact that this is year 3 of this regime and, as of today, we remain the laughing stock of the entire league. A joke. The ugly, little, wimp kid who was born with a wedgie.

As a long-time, loyal fan, that pisses me off. So, I don't really care if they chop off Pioli's head or Haley's dick so long as they figure out how to get this team on top which is what the fans deserve.

FAX

I don't really care.

Until we get a good QB in here, it's going to be the same old shit.

This offense reminds me of the '92 team with Dave Krieg

It does.

And '92 reminds you of '86 which reminds you of '79, etc., etc.

I sense a pattern emerging.

FAX

The retread makes sense I can't think of too many guys from the tree who are qualified coaches: Bowles, Ferentz, the current Pats OC?

Rob Ryan makes the most sense at this point. I'm not sure if he'd be as good as his brother, but at least he yells a lot and hates people. Also, I'm sure there are a bunch of teams out there that will offer him a position.

Please no.

Greg Manusky would be an intriguing hire. He's inexperienced, but it shouldn't be too hard to lure him back to KC with our smells-like-BBQ parking lot.

Probably knows just as little about coaching as Haley, but he appears to learn quickly. He at least is able to do shit with the talent he has in San Fran.

A pattern of shitty quarterbacks? No way...

He's currently coordinating a shit defense.

Manusky has been an awful coach.

we get ass pounded more than [insert name of female actress, pop singer, porn star here]...

Improving this team:
getting a real QB would fix a lot of our problems.

(i still think Haley has no clue as to how to prepare the team for gameday tho)

Pats have had what 41 different starters this year and are still competitive this and something like 14 or 15 were undrafted free agents most of them starting this year...

BB smiles.

you must be joking...you are right about one thing, he knows about as little as Haley.

I like Haley. I don't like his offensive coordinator. I wonder if he can get a good offensive coordinator that he can work with.

I think Cassel is a decent QB that has a crappy line, a limited running game, and has had five OC's in four years.

Not exactly the winning formulat for a QB.

I expect that Cassel will be back next year. I think the Chiefs will quit as they go down the stretch. It is one thing to continue to play hard when you weren't expected to do anything.

But, they won the division last year. Then, they went 0-3 and lost three of their best young players. Only to come back to lead the division.... to then lose three straight games and the starting QB.

I expect them to play hard Sunday Night because it is a Prime Time game.... but after that, I will not be surprised to see them start to play a little less hard each week.

If that happens, Haley is gone. I still expect Cassel to be here.

Clark got to the office early this morning in Fiji and is looking into alternatives to make his team better...

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It is one thing to lose role players. It is different when you lose the best players on the team.

There is a reason their defense is mediocre at best. The offense is what bails them out and they haven't lost any 'stars' on that side of the ball.

Additionally, Tom Brady hides a lot of flaws.

I'm a Hawkeye fan and I don't want Ferentz anywhere NEAR this team. Seriously.

I don't want another hotshot flavor of the minute coordinator.

Rob Ryan might be different though. Has ties to Pioli. He's been successful more than 3 months.

HE HAS RISEN.

The responsibility of the HC is to hire a capable staff. Haley needs to go simply based on the fact that he can't get along with anyone offensively.

This is a great point.

The offensive "staff" has Pioli's fingerprints all over it.

Don't get me wrong, Haley shouldn't be "excused".

I think the whole lot of them need to go.