Pats/Chiefs: A few final thoughts
 

So a few thoughts on last night's game.

1. Haley's decision to NOT go for it on 4th down and 1 from the Pats ~40 made no sense to me. Even though he punted and the defense held and the Chiefs got the ball back, it seems to me that you're 4-5 and the season is slipping away. Pats defense isn't reminding anyone of the 2000 Ravens or '86 Giants. Go for it.

2. I liked the decision to do the onsides kick. But then you remember they didn't go for it on 4th and 1. Que?

3. Holding call on . . . . errr, that Pope? Whoever it was that wiped out Edelman. Yeah, ticky-tack.

4. Endless bitching about refs in the game thread -- pathetic. Just pathetic, endless "the refs SCREWED us!!!111 giggity giggity". Just stop it. Make the complaint and move on. EVERY team in the NFL thinks the refs are out to get them. My Dad spent 50 years bitching about refs and umpires in every inning, quarter and period of every sport he ever watched. It was stupid then for him, and it's stupid now for you.

5. Palko doesn't seem like the real deal. He's young yet, so maybe, but...

6. Don't worry about the Chiefs seeming inability to cover Gronk. Nobody can. He's just a beast.

7. Chiefs defense seemed pretty good, overall. I imagine ti will be much better when Berry is back.

8. Pats came out really flat in the first half, but credit to the Chiefs also. They showed spirit for a good while.

9. Running up the score -- I don't mind Belichick going for it on 4th down late near the end zone. Punting isn't an option, and kicking a FG is stupid, but I'd much rather just man up and run it up the middle rather than what we did. At least this proves that BB does it to everybody, even his buddy Pioli. He's consistent, I'll say that. Pats have no right, ever, to bitch about anybody rolling up the score on them though.

10. Alot of very sad posts in the game thread about trying to hurt Patriots players now that the score is out of control. WTF kind of Raiders-esque thinking is that by Chiefs fans? And if any of them is a parent, WTF kind of sportsmanship is that?

11. Nobody will know if the Patriots really have a good team until the playoffs. The rest of it's schedule is a cake-walk. They may really be pretty good, especially once some of the injured bodies come back, or another one-and-done.

12. Patriots' "lowest ranked defense". I'm hearing that alot, on TV and around here. Yes, BY YARDS. But the Pats defense is middle of the pack by points, the only thing that matters. Not that the defense is all that good -- it isn't, but this "NFL's worst defense" is a tad misleading.

13. We suck.

Most of those people should be banned because they are useless trolls anyway.

we proletariats don't know how to act proper around you middle class types...sorry to offend your delicate posting sensibilities

Well, take away any team's best player on each side of the ball and a couple other key players and it won't help any.

Look, if you want to be a classless A-hole, that's fine, but why in hell would you go around publicly announcing, at the top of your lungs, that you're a classless A-hole?

You can think "fine, pop Brady's knee again! Bastards deserve it!!!" But then you post it? What are you, 12? Why don't you at least PRETEND that you're not completely classless? JFC.

But, fine. You insist I consider you a classless A-hole. Done.

1. Valid
2. Spanish
3. Valid
4. When the Pats lose, you (the royal sense of the word) do the same thing. It happens everytime. You should not judge.
5. No. He's a 28 yr old stopgap at best.
6. Someone can. But yes, he is a beast.
7. You imagine right.
8. We're they flat, or was the D just beasting? Our D has potential, especially when we can get to the QB. Thanks for trying to take what little dignity the defense had last night.
9. Valid
10. Go **** yourself with a rusty egg beater.
11. The Pats are going to be soft going in to the playoffs. Someone is going to punch them in the mouth.
12. Please go post that on a Pats message board.
13. Thanks for the Pats centric look at the game. It's not like the media hasn't already treated us to that for like, oh say, the last five years.

Yeah. that pretty much sums it up for me.

It's hard for me to get interested in breaking down these remaining games.

We stink. The coach is likely gone. The QB should be gone and the O-line needs almost completely rebuilt.

Might as well talk draft. :(

Palko isn't that young

Palko isn't that young. And the only thing that really, really pissed me off about the game was the "holding" call on Pope. That was awful. At worst, we would have gotten 3 points out of the drive (which in "Chiefs Points" is like 3 touchdowns). While I had no delusions that we were going to win the game, I thought that was the turning point when things started to go to shit. Pats get the ball back, drive down and score 7.

It's just frustrating because I stayed mad about that call for the rest of the half. Then, in the 2nd half all I could do was laugh at how bad this team is.

The Pats are good. They have been for the last decade. The Chiefs aren't. I'm starting to have my doubts about whether or not I'll ever see a playoff win in my lifetime. The last one I witnessed, I was 14.

Pathetic.

Every team is going to have injuries to key players. Not having the depth to overcome it is on the gm/coaching staff.

Just an awful, awful waste of a year. I'm back to my Herm doldrums.

1. Haley's decision to NOT go for it on 4th down and 1 from the Pats ~40 made no sense to me. Even though he punted and the defense held and the Chiefs got the ball back, it seems to me that you're 4-5 and the season is slipping away. Pats defense isn't reminding anyone of the 2000 Ravens or '86 Giants. Go for it.

When you're walking into a prison shower for the first time & the soap is laying on the floor. You want them to know that you're crazy & unpredictable. Ask r8ders

Haley made some goofy decisions, the onside kick was stupid, but it would have been brilliant had it worked. Not to challenge the touching by a Chief was also stupid. If you are going all in, go all in. Not going for it on NE side of the field, also stupid.

The Chiefs were fired up and ready to play, and as soon as they realized Palko was Cassel2, they were ****ed.

BB made some great halftime adjustments as always. That Polish TE should be banned from football, it isn't fair.

:LOL:

Gronk is a beast, no question. Fun to watch. He wasn't highlighted last night, and is always dinged up, but when our other young TE, Aaron Hernandez, is going well, he's pretty damn good too.

We actually did a decent job on your weapons when you know....we actually covered them. There were some dumb mistakes in coverage that allowed some big plays, like the TD to Gronkowski. Other than that, they did ok covering the two beast TEs and Welker. I expected Welker to have 12 catches, 236 yards, and 3 TDs. I guess the score made the game seem worse than it was, because it could have been much much much worse imo.

Here is a final thought.

If NE is going to pass for TDs within 1 minute of the end of the game up by 3td's, they deserve it when Brady gets his legs snapped off.

As I said in the other thread, the defense is too dinged up to cover everybody. They keyed in on Welker and it was only a matter of time before somebody else burned us.

LOL! But a good night for you I guess!

Most normal human beings would not have made either of those TDs with the hits he took. They just glanced off him, and didn't even change his direction.

I couldn't believe he got up from landing on his head like that.

Is he and Hernandez some of the bad BB draft picks we have been hearing about?

1. Haley's decision to NOT go for it on 4th down and 1 from the Pats ~40 made no sense to me. Even though he punted and the defense held and the Chiefs got the ball back, it seems to me that you're 4-5 and the season is slipping away. Pats defense isn't reminding anyone of the 2000 Ravens or '86 Giants. Go for it.

2. I liked the decision to do the onsides kick. But then you remember they didn't go for it on 4th and 1. Que?

** CLASSIC HALEY. GAME DAY DECISIONS ARE MIND BOGGLING. **

5. Palko doesn't seem like the real deal. He's young yet, so maybe, but...

** THERE IS NO 'BUT' ABOUT IT. HE DOESN'T HAVE AN NFL ARM. HE SHOULDN'T BE ON AN NFL ROSTER. MAYBE HE'LL MAKE A GOOD COACH ONE DAY, THAT'S IT. **

6. Don't worry about the Chiefs seeming inability to cover Gronk. Nobody can. He's just a beast.

** KC CAN'T COVER TE'S PERIOD. IT ISN'T ANYTHING SPECIAL ABOUT GRONKOWSKI. THEY MAKE AVERAGE TE'S SPORTSCENTER HIGHLIGHTS OF THE WEEK. **

7. Chiefs defense seemed pretty good, overall. I imagine ti will be much better when Berry is back.

** HONESTLY, THE FIRST HALF OF THE GAME WAS THE FIRST TIME THEY WERE ABLE TO GENERATE A PASS RUSH ALL YEAR. I DON'T KNOW WHO GAVE CRENNELL HAPPY PILLS, BUT IT WAS NICE TO SEE AFTER 10 WEEKS OF CRAP. THEY STILL COULDN'T STOP THE RUN IN THE 2ND HALF, BUT ITS NOT LIKE THEY HAVE TWO TOP 5 DRAFT PICKS ON THE DL TO ADDRESS THAT. **

9. Running up the score -- I don't mind Belichick going for it on 4th down late near the end zone.

** NO PROBLEM WITH IT SINCE KC WAS CALLING TO'S EARLIER IN THE DRIVE. **

10. Alot of very sad posts in the game thread about trying to hurt Patriots players now that the score is out of control. WTF kind of Raiders-esque thinking is that by Chiefs fans? And if any of them is a parent, WTF kind of sportsmanship is that?

** YOU KEEP YOUR STARTING QB I IN A BLOWOUT GAME, THROWING THE BALL LATE IN THE GAME WHILE YOUR TEAM IS TAKING CHEAPSHOTS, THEN YOU RUN THE RISK. SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE KNOCKED HIM ON HIS ASS. **

My responses.

I think coaches should always go for it on 4th and 1 inside the opponent's territory. If the average play gains 4 yards in the NFL, why is 4th and 1 different? The funny thing is that it's different because the offense lines up differently, limiting their own options and letting the defense prepare for a run up the gut. The offense should go into their normal lineup, and the odds are that they'll pick up 4 yards (or whatever the average is). NFL coaches are way too conservative, even Todd Haley.

Eh, they're two independent decisions, and unpredictability is good. In a league of superior athletes, I think the ability to be unpredictable is a big factor in winning and losing. I don't mind the onsides kick at all, and I still think it worked. That said, they should've gone for it on fourth and one.

It seems like you can't destroy a guy too strongly on a block or you'll get called for holding. I think when the refs see a guy get destroyed and pancaked, they're more likely to assume it was holding because an NFL athlete "shouldn't" get beat like that. Not much you can do about it.

If we don't blame the refs, then the only other reason is that our team wasn't as good as your team, and that's not true. This team is a championship team other than bad ref calls. That's my position and I'm sticking to it for the 41st year in a row. Stupid officials. They're costing us a Super Bowl.

I was actually impressed with him as a first-time starter with no NFL experience. However, that doesn't necessarily mean he's a viable long-term starter, and the key question is arm strength. The Chiefs appear to have torn every pass play over 10 yards from their playbook, but on the one 20+ yard pass he attempted, arm strength looked to be a significant weakness. We'll learn more if he ever gets another attempt to throw more than 10 yards.

He lies about sex with porn actresses. That's all I've got right now.

Berry would've helped a lot in this game. Not sure he would've helped 30 points, but he would've helped.

The defense was really pushing against the run, but seemed to give up against the pass and then against everything about halfway through the third. There's talent there, which is frustrating to see when it consistently fails. When healthy, we have five first-round picks on the field (Dorsey, TJackson, DJohnson, Hali, and Berry), most of whom were taken in the first half of the round and three of whom are top-five picks. A defense with that level of investment should be really good.

We got spirit, yes we do! We got spirit how about you! (Oh, wait. You just scored again.)

Run up the score. I don't care. We pay our players almost 75 percent of the NFL league average and 75 percent of their job is to prevent running up the score.

Agreed. Mankins is the only one who deserved to be injured after that cheap-shot, thuggish, criminal, contract-holdout, undeserving-pro-bowl-receiving late hit after the whistle for which he deserved to be ejected, fined, and banned from the league for life. Other than that, there's no real reason to call for injuring a player.

Just knock the AFC West team out of it as long as it's not us. And it may be us, because we're a championship-caliber team if not for bad officiating per Point 4 above.

They pretty much shut down Palko and Battle. (Heavy sigh.)

He's certainly not the answer at QB, but it isn't due to age. As they said at one point in the game last night, Warner didn't take a NFL snap until he was 27.

I wish no harm to Patriots EVER.


**** YOU BERNARD POLLARD LOOK WHAT WE GOT FOR THAT :cuss:

The Patriots ran the ball 12 times on that last drive, and only had 3 passes, one on a 2nd and 9 and two on 3rd down. Meanwhile, the Chiefs were calling timeouts during the drive, despite the 27-3 score, which resulted in the Patriots being unable to kneel on the ball to end the game. Why bitch about a pass on 3rd down?

The only thing to bitch about is that somebody didn't knock the crap out of him. Poor execution on the pass rush.

At first, it was kind of cool, we had a coach that would gamble some. Now it is turned into pressing stupidity.
He sucks, and Haley is the only guy that doesn't realize it. He looked the same last night, as he did in preseason. Throwing behind the runners leads to deflected interceptions.
Why is that?
Dorsey didn't play, and his replacement was applying a lot of that pressure. It was fun to watch while it lasted. I think we all thought we would be seeing a lot of that after those two high picks.
I thought Haley would be putting Stanzi in, the only explanation I could come up with for the time outs. Not using his time outs at the end of the first half on NEs drive was just as stupid.
Agreed. It makes no sense why they wouldn't put the backup in at that time.

14. Profit.

They could have showcased Mallett in the 4th quarter and got Pioli to give up a 1st and 2nd for him in April

Not enough for Luck :shake::doh!:

Haley was calling timeouts for whatever reason. Pretty mixed bag there.

But I would not have thrown once that drive. Nor would I have Brady sneak it.

Ouch.

I think if Haley hadn't called the two timeouts, Belichick doesn't get pissy and throw for it on 3rd and goal. But, yeah, it was pretty bush-league to throw. And, frankly, Brady should've been out as soon as the Chiefs turned it over on downs with around 6:00 to go. Belichick has done that all the time over the past 10 years (leaving Brady in when they have a big lead) and it drives me crazy.

And I think of you as a quality poster, but this shit YOU just pulled is chris/sportsshrink/Tom Cash league. Way to scold people on the internet, bro. I'll bet you they'll think twice the next time their favorite team gets embarrassed on national TV, are angry, and have the use of a perfect vessel to release that anger where nobody will care: the internet.

Well, MOST rational people don't care. You apparently do. Lighten up. Do you think when people around here tell other posters to "get AIDS" or "die in a fire" that they actually sincerely mean it? I'm sure your holier-than-us ass has seen some of those comments, yeah? Where were you? We need you to dole out wrist-slappings to these jerks, man.

In short, I still like you, but no Chiefs fans gives a shit about your team. The comments were harmless. Admit it- you're just on your period and little things upset you these days. That's fine.

Oh, and get AIDS and die in a fire, asshole.

I hope the entire Patriots roster (including Bob Kraft) gets sodomized by 400-lb men

I hope Logan Mankins is paralyzed and has whatever disease Willie McGinest had

You can't challenge penalties unfortunately.

Pretty much this, except for the part about liking him. Like the world or the board needs any more pompous east coast twats telling how root for our team.

Yes we lost.But the game was fixed,chiefs will never beat the pats because the nfl dose not want that.

From now on, I root for concussions, torn ligaments, and bubonic plague for any and ALL Patriots players on EVERY play.

Thanks, Amnorix. You've changed the way I watch football for the better.

Overreact much?


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Awww....Frazzie doesn't like me. Sniff.

The only one overreacting is you, bro. You let hurtful comments on the internet get to you, and it compelled you to scold all the meaney Chiefs fans who wished injuries upon your favorite team. You didn't even take the time to consider if people posting those awful nasty things didn't mean it.

Unless you see that you probably made a mistake and overreacted, you're just as bad as chris, Tom Cash, and any other Moral Orel douchebag out there on this forum. Admit it and move on. I have.

Good to see you thinking so hard, Mr. Amnorix. Just remember, on this day in history, you thought really hard.

1. Definitely a "go for it" scenario if there ever was one. That's probably why he didn't.

2. I liked it, too. The classic Haley WTF? decision that almost worked but didn't.

3. That, my friend, is an example of what your father was right. If that was a hold, I'm an antelope running free in the grassy hills looking for a female antelope with whom I can share my antelope life.

4. Hali got held on the way to the airport.

5. Palko would make a good coach's assistant someday.

6. That dude is a crazy, badass dude.

7. Our defense is our strong point, that's for sure. Held you to under 40.

8. We did come out with spirit and verve. Unfortunately, Brady took our verve and put it into re-verve.

9. We called a timeout to rest our guys. We deserved it.

10. I don't understand this either. In the old days, we would simple pray that the enemy quarterback be decapitated.

11. I'm sure this is interesting to you.

12. Well, we put 3 on your ass. That's not going to help.

FAX

They didn't "get to me". They're words on a screen from people I've never met and never will meet. But why would you prove you're classless? It's just a dumb and classless reaction. One that would seem a bit odd in light of the criticisms over the years around here about the Raiders being dirty, Rodney Harrison being dirty, etc. etc.

So I'm going to point it out.

If that ties your panties in a knot, or makes you think I'm the second coming of Tom Cash, that's fine. Whether you (or anyone else on here) roots for the crippling of other team's football players won't change a thing for anyone anywhere. Go for it.

But if some other team's player does something dirty to a Chiefs player, then you'll have to STFU about it. Or be a total hypocrite. Whichever. That too doesn't matter. :p

Fake-wishing injury upon a player from a fan's perspective is different than actual dirty hits and cheap shots on the field of play.

Yes, you ARE Tom Cash. You can't see any kind of nuance into your reading of these posts. "This guy said he wants the Chiefs to break my player's legs??? By golly that's classless behavior and it must be stopped!!"

Let me know when you're finished attacking all those windmills, Don Quixote.

Maybe you should stage a protest or something.

Regarding #10....

KC fans cheer for their own players to get hurt, die, etc...Why would that surprise you in the least?
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Yeah, it doesn't bother you at all, yet here you are crying about it like the whiney little **** you've always been. :deevee:

What is it about Patriot fans that makes them so damned pedantic? Do you really think that the success of your team imbues you with extra knowledge? You don't need to tell us anything about our team. We watch them play every week, and we don't have to be patted on the head and given a disingenuous "atta boy" when they get their taints handed to them.

Because we're practically reeruned savages according to Amnorix

....says the guy that thinks he knows more about every team in the NFL than that team's GM, much less its fans...

Oh sweet irony.

Now Frazzie's using bad words. Bad Frazzie.

Now that is actually a pretty fair point...

How are Adalius Thomas and Brandon Meriweather working out for you?

And you stopped the history thread. How dare you.

Too many idiot brain-dead Chiefs fans wished that Hitler would have gotten taken out by the knees. The good Amnorix giveth and he taketh.

added to number 12.

I hadn't thought about it that way, thanks.

In the Life Magazine thread the topic of Nazis on carnival rides came up. Here's my best thinking on the favorite carnival rides of leading Nazis.

Hitler - Log flume
Goering - Tilt-A-Whirl
Goebbels - Merry Go Round
Himmler - One of those overhead tram things
Albert Speer - Riverboat adventure ride

Total Ignorance, I have seen more people here wish for injuries in one weekend than I have ever seen on any Raider forum and you have never seen me or any of my Raider pals here wish for anything more than some bruised ribs.

Painting with a wide brush aren't you dipshit?

Please, you're getting estrogen on my monitor.

Not as good as Wes Welker, whom you despised, so stop before you hurt yourself.

Tom Brady's greatest skill is raising the IQ of pats fans...

**** the Cheatriots

Obviously a bunch of uncivilized morons...

Amnorix can swallow a gallon of Hog Farmer's product... WTF does this dumbass expect after last night?

"Oh you're so wise Amnorix. We should never have wished harm on anyone."

Amnorix, I hope Tom Brady breaks his dick off in your eye socket.

**** those drunk man chowder guzzlers

We were praying...

That would actually imply that this can be done.

The Cowboys are more fun to watch to tell the truth. And I'm glad they get more air time than New England...

Do the Chief fans whining about Belichek throwing for TD when up 27-3 in the fourth not remember Haley having Cassell throw for a TD to Bowe against the Raiders when they were up 28-0 in the fourth?

Haley knew there was less than a 10% chance that Cassel could throw a TD pass.

no trolling going on here! :thumb:

That was cool, wasn't it?

That made me spit my coffee out... :)

Never meant to be a troll.... can't stand the guys that do.... Just pointing out the irony of complaining about a pro team running up the score... that's what they get paid to do. Personally, I had no problems with KC trying to score in the last 2 minutes against Oakland.. and as such, I had no problems with Belichek doing the same last night..... In any case, I love reading CP as you guys are always intelligent, and quite humorous and entertaining. I thank all of you for your wisdom and appreciate your points of view...

I work with a pats fan - and this is the kind of drivel I have to put up with on a consistent basis. Pats fans take so much for granted, they dont realize how arrogant they can be with comments like this.

Treasure these moments.....

I'll bet you just want to break our knees! LMAO

They found that once in a lifetime QB and made the most of it... Remove Brady and that team is average at best.

Hey, at least the Chiefs have a track record of trying to remove him. Ugh, and we end up with cAsshole because of it.. Fail!