What If The QBOTF Isn't There?
 

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What If The QBOTF Isn't There?

1528290_f520_tiny by citadelchief on Nov 30, 2011 7:08 AM CST

From the FanPosts -Joel

As we begin to accept that the Kansas City Chiefs will probably miss the playoffs and will be drafting in the top 15 next year, there is a lot of talk about who the Chiefs should be taking...OK, we've already been talking about it for a couple months now. Obviously, the majority of Chiefs fans are looking at QB with the first pick, and rightfully so. Personally, I agree. I would love for KC to get Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley, or Robert Griffin III.

However, I am a plan for the worst and hope for the best type of guy.

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Looking ahead at the 2012 NFL Draft, I see some very worrisome possibilities in the Chiefs drafting the QBOTF with the first pick. It is a strong QB class with plenty of potential stars, journeymen starters, and quality backups. However, we have had our fill of journeymen and backups...we want our star. So, that limits our options to Luck, Barkley, and Griffin.

So what's the problem? There are several:

1. Indianapolis - The Colts have all but wrapped up the 1st overall pick, and with an aging Peyton Manning coming off of an injured neck, they would have to be crazy to pass over Andrew Luck.

2. Miami - Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. That's what everyone needs to be thinking when it comes to Matt Moore. The Dolphins would be nuts to put their future in his hands. The Panthers tried that, and now have Cam Newton...so the Dolphins will get Matt Barkley. Hmm, maybe the Chiefs should sign Matt Moore so we can get our QBOTF?

3. Washington - John Beck or Rex Grossman? Yeah, let's face it, the Skins will be going QB early this year. The good news here is that Landry Jones is rated higher than RGIII on some boards...so maybe the Chiefs dodge a bullet with that one.

4. Seattle - That bullet we just dodged? Yeah, it turned around and got us. Seattle gave up a 3rd rd pick for Charlie Whitehurst so they wouldn't have to draft a QB. They signed Tavaris Jackson so they wouldn't have to draft a QB. I really don't see this happening a 3rd time. Griffin just got snagged.

5. Arizona - Kevin Kolb failed miserably. There was some life with John Skelton, but that quickly fell apart as well. The Cardinals may be looking at a new coach and a new QB to go with him. If any of those top 3 are available, I just can't see them passing on that opportunity.

6. Philadelphia - What?! That's right, you heard me. Don't think for a second that the Eagles won't pull the trigger if the opportunity is there. Mike Vick started out great for them, but then he has steadily declined, just like he did in Atlanta. Vince Young has played well enough that he can probably get himself a pretty good opportunity somewhere else.

7. New York - Don't get it twisted, Mark Sanchez is playing for his future right now. Rex Ryan pulling him off the 1st team for a couple practices wasn't about him losing his job to Mark Brunell this year, it was about him losing his job to a new guy next season. Sanchez isn't down and out yet, but if the Jets don't make the playoffs? Well, Sanchez might want to warm up his clipboard arm.

So there it is. My list of concerns. And this doesn't include the teams like Chicago, Denver, and New Orleans who will be in the market for backups and future projects.

Now, the Chiefs do have the option to trade up. The Jets did it for Sanchez and the Falcons did it for Jones...but are the Chiefs in the same place as either of those teams? I look at the roster, and it sure doesn't appear that way. I'm not against a trade up, but I can't say I'm thrilled about the idea.

I'll give the same response I gave on that board:

ok, so now all of you short-sighted folks that didn’t wanna ‘Suck for Luck’ now see why we were screaming this at 0-3. We screwed the pooch! However, lucky for everyone on this board, I’ve found the perfect solution:

Trade Matt Cassel and a 2nd round pick back to New England for Ryan Mallet. He’s better than any of these QB’s.

The Chiefs organization doesn't believe in drafting franchise QBs. We get our 'franchise' QBs from other teams scraps.

GOOD GOD MAN. What the hell Chiefs fans? I was all but crying into my drink at BWW on draft day when we passed on Mallett three times. However, if he was not worth a second last year, he sure as shit isn't worth one this year when the draft is ten times deeper. Just saying.

Or talk to GB about M. Flynn.

You know what?? Chiefs fans don't deserve a franchise QB. Let's keep looking for backups other teams have developed rather than developing one of our own!

Look at the remaining schedules for those teams, Joel.

As long as we lose out, we could only be worrying about Indy.

Seattle, Washington, Miami, Etc all have a winnable game or two left.

And Arizona just went full Matt Cassel and gave a $60M contract to Kolb - they aren't taking a QB.

We lose out, and we may only have to worry about teams trading up with the Rams or Minnesota to get ahead of us.


Of course, this will happen, and Pioli will trade up for or take Kalil.

I want a franchise Qb also

Who is the best prospect in this draft non Qb?

Kind of hard to get on board with that logic when it's never happened before.....ever.

I'm not so sure Washington takes Jones over RG3. With their bootleg system, RG3 would be perfect for that.

Plus I get the feeling that come combine when everybody see's RG3's speed, arm strength, accuracy, size & smarts, I could see his stalk shooting up.

Basically it comes down to this. We're tied in record with Washington right now. We basically need to lose. No more "win as many games as you can BS." We need to lose bigtime.

THIS!

Talk about crying in your beer when we passed on him!

I've been so focused on QB I'm not sure.

Justin Blackmon?

Trent Richardson is looking pretty good but RBs can always be found late.

I think these Chiefs have a very good chance at picking high enough to draft the QB they need in the first roind.

However, should I be wrong about that, I'd be willing to see if Foles or Tannehill (who I haven't seen, so I'm basing this on what I'm reading) are there in the second round.

I also like Ryan Lindley, and would take a flyer on him.

I like Matt Flynn, but really, what have actually seen?

How many times, since 1990, has a superbowl been won by "some other teams backup QB"?

Steve Young and Brett Favre maybe?

Agreed, but his name isn't Cassel and the harsh reality is that I have little confidence that Pioli is going to select a possible difference making QB in the draft. Flynn may be more appealing to them....who knows.

Trade up?

Could you imagine Blackmon on this team. We would be so stacked at WR with no one to get them the ball. :(

A guy who was and is actually coached.

You draft some anyway. There are more QB's out there than the top 2-3 talents in every draft. You need backups so that you don't run into the situation we've had for the last few years where you just have absolutely nothing to turn to and are signing guys off the street (Palko).

Stop spending 3 draft picks on an assortment of DE's and TE's every goddamn draft.

I'm generally against first round RBs, but should we be out of the QB sweepstakes in the first round, and Richardson is there, I'd be hard pressed to pass on him.

I haven't seen the combination of size, power, speed and athleticism he possesses since Earl Campell.

Adrian Peterson?

Good point.

100% agree with this logic. If there's a guy you believe is going to be great, you make a move.

The good news is that there are a lot of teams drafting high that won't be interested in a QB.

Carolina, Jacksonville, Minn, etc

Could be costly. But get the guy you want.

I'm not disagreeing with you, it's just hard to overlook the history of the Chiefs drafting of QB's. I suppose it needs to start sometime though.

Campell was more powerful.

The guys I've seen, only Jim Brown was better than Earl Campbell.

I'll still stand by you should draft your RBs late but I suppose I wouldn't cry over this move. The guy does have a ton of talent.

We know we'll need a RB in this draft at some point.

But still can't get around the QB issue. Eye on the prize IMO. We need to lose and/or trade up if there's a guy we like just out of our reach.

I don't think the Chiefs have the staff necessary to develop a QB. Zorn is overrated, Flacco is meh and Jason Campbell is shit.

You also have to figure in they were running over lineman weighing 250lbs at most. I doubt they would look so "powerful" in todays NFL or college game. They were just ahead of their time.

Honestly, we never gave Brodie Croyle the chance to succeed here. I'm not opposed to drafting a QB in the later rounds (no higher than 3-4), but if we don't, we should talk to Croyle.

Adrian Peterson and Darren McFadden come to mind. But Richardson is definitely a player of the "right 53" mindset. I wouldn't be OVERLY upset about the pick, but it would seem like a bit of a waste.

Outside of Luck, we MUST make a move for RG3 in my mind. RG3 is, by all reports out of Baylor, the best PERSON and hardest worker on that team. He obviously is goal oriented and acheives his goals, given that he graduated high school a semester early, and finished his bachelor's in three years and is working through his masters.

He is terrifically clutch. He has that accurate deep-ball which will stretch the field for our running game. He has adequate pocket presence and throws on the run extremely well. He keeps his eyes downfield and works through progressions while on the move. If there is nothing there, he has the ability to make you pay with his legs.

Granted, he will be a 1-2 year project in that he will have to learn to identify blitzes, coverages and learn to change the play at the line of scrimmage. However, that is the only way Luck is better than Griffin in my mind.

You're kidding right? Excuse me if there's sarcasm noted and I missed it.

We got Stanzi here who nobody knows if he can get it done because the staff won't give him a chance. And you wanna bring Croyle back? Lol

Brodie had his chance

I am aware of the different eras.

I am saying that TR compares favorably today to Campbell in his day.

I think Richardson is going to better than Peterson.

Seriously? Darn near every time Brodie took the field it ended with an injury. That's not something you can have at QB. There is a reason Croyle is getting cut from other teams.

He's not the sharpest tool in the shed. And that's being nice.

Flynn is the only backup from another team I'd be OK with - and only if we found a way to give Tom Clements the OC and QB coach position.

Brilliance.

I have my reasons. They're not exactly on-field football reasons, though.

yeah, why would we trade up for a franchise QB when staying put has served us so well for 30 years...


omg it is risky!!!


we need that 2nd round pick to draft McCluster...

LMAOROFL

I agree with the contents of this post with one qualification:

This year's draft seems very deep compared to previous drafts, so perhaps trading next year's picks or possibly even players could net us higher value. But facts are facts, you pay what you have to in order to acquire your franchise QB.

:LOL: This.

And that pretty much sums up our backup plan if the QBOTF isn't going to be there.

I like Flynn, what little we've seen, and if you gave me a choice between him, Cassel and Orton, I'd take Flynn, no questions asked, even without Clements.

But if you tell me I have a choice between Flynn and a first round QB, well that isn't even a close choice.

Flynn was a 7th round pick, wasn't he?

There's a reason for that.

the thought of RG3 lining up with Charles, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, and Moeaki should give anyone a giant football boner....


the fanbase would go crazy for a young QB

i'll never understand why this franchise can't see it...

Plus it would really help get the team national attention, Jersey sales, and maybe even an NFL 360 commercial. Get on the Bus!

Basically, more $$$ for Clark. Why cant he see this?

The correct wording is, "Fool me once, shame on,...shame on you. If fooled you can't get fooled again."

BTW, 4 QBs in the first 4 picks is so historically strange that is hard to believe it will actually happen.

If they believe Stanzi can be developed into what they want in a couple years. They have a nice plan B. Maybe they gamble a little bit more, than they normally might on a 1st round QB.

I do hope it's Orton as the vet presence instead of the QB who's name is becoming a four letter word

Matt?

It's always been 4 letters.

That's what I WANT to believe too. Makes me kinda wish there weren't such an attractive 1st rd QB class in this draft. But there is and passing up on it would be a mistake* if Stanzi does not develop. They sure are not acting like they are in a hurry to develop him. :(

(* Can anyone point out any potentially stud QB coming up for the 2013 draft, in case we do pass up on one this year?)

Immolation.

Put down the crack pipe. And run away because it is eating your brain. I have watched most of Malletts games that he played in Arkansas. He wilts and panics under pressure. Tyler Wilson the starter in Arkansas now is breaking some of Malletts records and numbers in his first season.

yes i wanted mallet all along

Beside people they need to worry more about draft a big offensive line more than a qb,no line nothing works,i say draft 5 300 plus pound lineman ,cut cassel.stick with orton,i know some will give me shit but who cares

Un****ingbelievable. I really believe that Chiefs fans are too stupid to deserve a franchise QB.

The only thing greater than true fan stupidity is illiterate true fan stupidity.

Frankie, what I meant was. If the 1st rounder who should start rather quickly fails. By then Stanzi would be who they want him to be. Plan B

shoot yourself in the face

Make it 350 pounds plus and I'm on board.

After Luck, there's nothing on the board better than Mallet. Last year was the year to get a QB. Just because we need one this year doesn't mean the guys out there are worth it.

You first punk

How'd trading for NE's backup do us last time?

STFU with this Mallet shit.

I'd rather draft Cousins or Moore late before trading for another teams backup.

LMAO

I live 3 hours away and I would strongly consider buying season tickets if they drafted RG3. The only reason I haven't the past few years is because of the QB situation.

Ironic how this franchise only seems to care about money, but they won't make the one move that would guarantee an outrageous number of season ticket sales.

I think it's funny how Chiefs fans want RG3 now that Tebow is tearing it up. LMAO

Ya.... That's why people want RG3.

Because of Tebows 6 completions a game.

:facepalm:

You just showed how little you really know about football if you're comparing the two.

Keep trolling.

deal

You also need a coordinator like Gailey who can think outside the box and get the most out of those guys.

Tebow tearing it up??? Dude you need to get some reality. The team has been winning inspite of his type of play thus far. Not because of him.
RG3 and Tebow are not alike.

Because when people talk about RG3, it's about how halfway through the season, he had more PASSING TDs than INCOMPLETIONS.

When they talk about Tebow, it's about how he has more RUSHING TDs than COMPLETIONS.

Yeah, I can see the similarities.

Roger.

That'll happen, most likely.

Call me when he throws for 200 yards and remind me about tearing it up. Call me when he completes 10 passes in a game again. Call me when he throws over 50% completions.

RG3s game is nothing like Tebow.

Thank you! Spot on. Glad someone finally said this.

I don't understand all of the Flynn love, and I'm even living in the heart of Packer territory. Not saying he's bad, but he played (very well, I'll admit) in one game. There just isn't enough of a sample size to determine anything with him at this point.

Nobody can troll like Knowmo.

Tebow is winning. And Hali is never held.

It's madness, I tell you.

FAX

I can certainly see the similarities.

I mean both are black.

They are both right handed.

They both have great downfield accuracy.

They both run 4.5 in the 40.

They both have carried their teams due to a lack of elite talent.

Wait... that's just RG3.

Heck, Tim Tebow is white, left handed, inaccurate, runs a 4.7, and was a member of a very talented team.

About the only similarity is that RG3 will also be a first round pick, oh, and they both play QB...for now.

I am impressed with the Broncos for making it work with Tebow. It will be interesting to see how long they do. It will be interesting to see if he goes into next year as the starting QB.

I would compare RG3 to John Elway, moreso than Tim Tebow.

Do it, TC! Shoot him in the face first!

First of all, Zorn isn't overrated. Nobody in the league talks about him for him to be rated. Only Chiefs fans do.

Secondly, drafted QBs who go to teams without good coaching staffs do well all the time.

When Elway tries to trade up for a top notch QB in the draft. Tebow may net him 3rd round value. If McDouchebag will push for him

Your sarcasm sir is misplaced. There indeed are a lot more similarities. They both have two eyes, two eyebrows, one nose, one mouth, two arms and two legs. According to the rumors, Tebow also has a dick though that may just be a mere rumor.