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ShowtimeSBMVP 12-12-2011 12:00 PM

Now the real truth is coming out
 
CharlesRobinsonCharles Robinson
Todd Haley was never 100-percent on Tyson Jackson pick. He wanted best player available, not a system D-end. & he wasn't good at hiding it.


CharlesRobinsonCharles Robinson


On the Matt Cassel issues, Weis didn't think he could cut it. He argued with Haley over Cassel's development.

ToxSocks 12-12-2011 12:01 PM

who the **** is Charles Robinson?

Skyy God 12-12-2011 12:01 PM

What about the Cassel trade, Haley?

ShowtimeSBMVP 12-12-2011 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 8194539)
who the **** is Charles Robinson?

covers the nfl for yahoo

ShowtimeSBMVP 12-12-2011 12:02 PM

CharlesRobinsonCharles Robinson

Charlie Weis hire was second crack. It's a miracle Weis & Todd Haley didn't kill each other. Repeatedly sparred on Matt Cassel's development

Trevo_410 12-12-2011 12:02 PM

ANOTHER REASON TO BLAME ****ING PIOLI

The Bad Guy 12-12-2011 12:02 PM

Like anyone thought that Haley's first choice was Tyson Jackson.

That had Pioli all over it.

DeezNutz 12-12-2011 12:02 PM

No one cares what incompetent HCs think about anything.

Okie_Apparition 12-12-2011 12:02 PM

Social media, is it worse than greed

ToxSocks 12-12-2011 12:02 PM

And if this is true, then damn.....that pretty bad on Pioli's part.

God help us. We can't endure any more 2009 type offseasons.

Rasputin 12-12-2011 12:02 PM

Todd also brought in and started Palko. MOOT.

suds79 12-12-2011 12:03 PM

Oh this is going to be good.

I can't wait to hear what Todd Hailey really thought about everything... Other picks. Cassel. etc.

He was coached to not say a think these last few years.

FringeNC 12-12-2011 12:03 PM

LOL. Part of the exit negotiations probably involved Haley signing a NDA to protect Pioli from embarrassment.

ToxSocks 12-12-2011 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8194545)
CharlesRobinsonCharles Robinson

Charlie Weis hire was second crack. It's a miracle Weis & Todd Haley didn't kill each other. Repeatedly sparred on Matt Cassel's development

I wonder what about his development they "sparred" about?

ToxSocks 12-12-2011 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 8194552)
Todd also brought in and started Palko. MOOT.

also true.

pr_capone 12-12-2011 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 8194559)
I wonder what about his development they "sparred" about?

Whether there was any?

Chiefnj2 12-12-2011 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 8194539)
who the **** is Charles Robinson?

Some writer from Michigan. I wonder how Haley found his number.

Reerun_KC 12-12-2011 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8194548)
No one cares what incompetent GM's and HCs think about anything.

Yeah agree.

Now if we can get Failoili replaced...

Okie_Apparition 12-12-2011 12:04 PM

Todd brought us Pope & Tits
we're all ****ed up

BoneKrusher 12-12-2011 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 8194552)
Todd also brought in and started Palko. MOOT.

what a loser

SenselessChiefsFan 12-12-2011 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8194545)
CharlesRobinsonCharles Robinson

Charlie Weis hire was second crack. It's a miracle Weis & Todd Haley didn't kill each other. Repeatedly sparred on Matt Cassel's development

Wait, I thought both Weis and Haley hated him. So, who actually liked him? If it is Weis, then I have more hope for him.

Skyy God 12-12-2011 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 8194558)
LOL. Part of the exit negotiations probably involved Haley signing a NDA to protect Pioli from embarrassment.

Doesn't mean he can't anonymously leak info via proxies.

KCUnited 12-12-2011 12:07 PM

Shocker, the coach didn't like the Tyson Jackson pick.

Let's not prepare for the 2011 season in protest.

Fritz88 12-12-2011 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8194545)
CharlesRobinsonCharles Robinson

Charlie Weis hire was second crack. It's a miracle Weis & Todd Haley didn't kill each other. Repeatedly sparred on Matt Cassel's development

And we knew who was able to get the most out of him. NOT HALEY.
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SenselessChiefsFan 12-12-2011 12:09 PM

The problem isn't that Haley disliked the Jackson pick. The problem is that he wasn't good at hiding it.

Just another example of him being a child and acting like a spoiled brat.

So glad Toddler Haley is gone.

Okie_Apparition 12-12-2011 12:10 PM

It's all 20/20
we all play that game well

chop 12-12-2011 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pittsie (Post 8194541)
What about the Cassel trade, Haley?

I'm sure Haley probably wasn't thrilled about having his starting QB selected before he started the HC job.

The Bad Guy 12-12-2011 12:11 PM

Charles Robinson is one of the best writers in the country. Guy has ironclad sources.

Fritz88 12-12-2011 12:12 PM

This makes me think that Pioli is *really* going to be getting a "Yes, Sir" HC this time around.

Hint: Joshie Josh.

Also, Cassel is probably coming back next season.
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ShowtimeSBMVP 12-12-2011 12:12 PM

CharlesRobinsonCharles Robinson


On the Matt Cassel issues, Weis didn't think he could cut it. He argued with Haley over Cassel's development.

Hammock Parties 12-12-2011 12:12 PM

A lot of stuff is going to come out. The situation with Palko, inability to work with multiple OCs (not just Gailey and Weis).

Haley's going to look really bad. And he was.

Nightfyre 12-12-2011 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8194614)
CharlesRobinsonCharles Robinson


On the Matt Cassel issues, Weis didn't think he could cut it. He argued with Haley over Cassel's development.

If Haley was the primary Cassel backer, then he can gtfo.

SenselessChiefsFan 12-12-2011 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8194614)
CharlesRobinsonCharles Robinson


On the Matt Cassel issues, Weis didn't think he could cut it. He argued with Haley over Cassel's development.

But Haley was STUCK with Cassel and hated him. Why would he fight with Weis over him?

Just another stupid defense of an inept head coach.

SenselessChiefsFan 12-12-2011 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8194622)
If Haley was the primary Cassel backer, then he can gtfo.

Done.

Chiefnj2 12-12-2011 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8194614)
CharlesRobinsonCharles Robinson


On the Matt Cassel issues, Weis didn't think he could cut it. He argued with Haley over Cassel's development.

This is too funny. All the Haley supporters said Cassel was forced on him, etc. Now this "reporter" is claiming Haley supported Cassel.

Fritz88 12-12-2011 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8194614)
CharlesRobinsonCharles Robinson


On the Matt Cassel issues, Weis didn't think he could cut it. He argued with Haley over Cassel's development.

So Haley was a Cassel nut hugger?

That's good to hear.
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Frankie 12-12-2011 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 8194603)
The problem isn't that Haley disliked the Jackson pick. The problem is that he wasn't good at hiding it.

Just another example of him being a child and acting like a spoiled brat.

So glad Toddler Haley is gone.

WTF? So this is a vice instead of a virtue? You want the next coach to be a total Pioli marionette?!

Donger 12-12-2011 12:15 PM

Great. More Truthers.

ShowtimeSBMVP 12-12-2011 12:16 PM

CharlesRobinsonCharles Robinson


After arguing with Haley, Weis washed his hands of Cassel's development in early in 2010 & Haley took over those duties.

ShowtimeSBMVP 12-12-2011 12:16 PM

CharlesRobinsonCharles Robinson


Then when Cassel started making strides in 2010, and Weis was getting credit for it in the media, it drove Haley nuts. And Weis had to go.

FringeNC 12-12-2011 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 8194629)
So Haley was a Cassel nut hugger?

That's good to hear.
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That would be interesting. Think there is more to the story because Haley didn't start calling the plays until Cassel was on IR.

Brock 12-12-2011 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8194627)
This is too funny. All the Haley supporters said Cassel was forced on him, etc. Now this "reporter" is claiming Haley supported Cassel.

LMAO That is rich.

SenselessChiefsFan 12-12-2011 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 8194631)
WTF? So this is a vice instead of a virtue? You want the next coach to be a total Pioli marionette?!

It's called leadership.

It is one thing to voice your disagreement, but once the decision is made, it is made.

Acting like a spoiled brat doesn't help.

FringeNC 12-12-2011 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8194638)
CharlesRobinsonCharles Robinson


After arguing with Haley, Weis washed his hands of Cassel's development in early in 2010 & Haley took over those duties.

That is exactly what Mike Silver wrote, too.

Okie_Apparition 12-12-2011 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8194622)
If Haley was the primary Cassel backer, then he can gtfo.

X infinity

tyler360 12-12-2011 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8194642)
CharlesRobinsonCharles Robinson


Then when Cassel started making strides in 2010, and Weis was getting credit for it in the media, it drove Haley nuts. And Weis had to go.

Holy Shit!

Mr. Flopnuts 12-12-2011 12:18 PM

No ****ing way.

DeezNutz 12-12-2011 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8194627)
This is too funny. All the Haley supporters said Cassel was forced on him, etc. Now this "reporter" is claiming Haley supported Cassel.

Potentially very ironic.

chop 12-12-2011 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8194627)
This is too funny. All the Haley supporters said Cassel was forced on him, etc. Now this "reporter" is claiming Haley supported Cassel.

Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. It is true that Haleys boss went out and got a QB before he hired Haley as the coach. Maybe Pioli told him, at the time of his hire, that he had to support Cassel.

DJ's left nut 12-12-2011 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 8194610)
Charles Robinson is one of the best writers in the country. Guy has ironclad sources.

Yup. Robinson's credibility is generally beyond reproach. He's taken on far tougher nuts than Todd Haley and has yet to get burned by a source (despite those sources throwing some absolute bombs).

His sources are pretty much rock-solid.

Chiefnj2 12-12-2011 12:19 PM

I don't believe a thing Charles Robinson is saying.

ShowtimeSBMVP 12-12-2011 12:19 PM

CharlesRobinsonCharles Robinson

Cassel did not excel under Weis. That coaching job was done by Haley. Weis washed his hands of Cassel's development very early.

Three7s 12-12-2011 12:19 PM

Any loser who thought Cassel was a "good" QB deserves to go. Bye Haley.

O.city 12-12-2011 12:19 PM

Well we are gonna find out pretty soon if Pioli is tied to Cassel. Maybe Pioli listened to Weis while he was here and will move on and flush the turd.

DaKCMan AP 12-12-2011 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8194661)
I don't believe a thing Charles Robinson is saying.

:spock:

Okie_Apparition 12-12-2011 12:20 PM

IF Weis was against Cassel, Pioli would have listened openly
IT's like a 225 lb bag of shit being lifted from your shoulders

htismaqe 12-12-2011 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8194645)
LMAO That is rich.

Almost as rich as the fact the people continue to insist that Weis was the reason Cassel got so much "better" in 2010, despite this nugget...

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8194642)
CharlesRobinsonCharles Robinson


Then when Cassel started making strides in 2010, and Weis was getting credit for it in the media, it drove Haley nuts. And Weis had to go.


FringeNC 12-12-2011 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8194653)
Potentially very ironic.

Not really, given that there was no other option. Haley does come off as rather childish though that he was resentful that Weis got the credit. This will be entertaining, and gives me hope we may not be stuck with McDaniels + Cassel.

The Bad Guy 12-12-2011 12:21 PM

If Pioli listened to Weis, he would have gotten rid of Cassel before he had to pay the bonus.

Reaper16 12-12-2011 12:22 PM

So... if Haley was the one behind Cassel... then Pioli is an idiot for not firing Haley sooner. :D

DeezNutz 12-12-2011 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 8194674)
Not really, given that there was no other option. Haley does come off as rather childish though that he was resentful that Weis got the credit. This will be entertaining, and gives me hope we may not be stuck with McDaniels + Cassel.

I'm speaking only about the irony of the #1 reason why many try to absolve Haley.

Shitty coach was fired. Dog bites man.

Chiefnj2 12-12-2011 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8194671)
Almost as rich as the fact the people continue to insist that Weis was the reason Cassel got so much "better" in 2010, despite this nugget...

What happened to Cassel's development in 2009 and 2011 if it was all Haley??

The Bad Guy 12-12-2011 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8194661)
I don't believe a thing Charles Robinson is saying.

I don't know why you wouldn't given his track record.

The Bad Guy 12-12-2011 12:22 PM

Cassel's development is tied to one thing:

A weak schedule.

DJ's left nut 12-12-2011 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8194661)
I don't believe a thing Charles Robinson is saying.

So the guy that broke the Cam Newton story, the Ohio State saga as well as the Miami booster bombshell, is going to risk his reputation by skewering Todd Haley?

Get real.

This guy is way too high up in the investigative journalism pecking order to risk his reputation on a couple of throwaway shots at a coach he has no ties to.

Robinson's not a bomb-thrower; he's a legitimately connected guy. If he says it, you'd do well to believe it.

Okie_Apparition 12-12-2011 12:24 PM

Cassel was Pioli giving Haley enough rope to hang himsel
~reaching for release

OnTheWarpath15 12-12-2011 12:24 PM

@CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Both Haley & Pioli have reps for wearing on those who work for/with them. Joining them was like storing matches w/ dynamite. Inevitable.

Chiefnj2 12-12-2011 12:24 PM

Who in the Chiefs PR department is feeding this crap to Robinson?

"Hmm, some fans think Haley got a raw deal. I know! Let's start rumors that it was Haley who wanted Cassel from day 1 and stuck with him. That'll increase ticket sales 7%!!"

ChiefPressure 12-12-2011 12:24 PM

Pioli brought Cassel over and gave him a shitload of money before he played a single down. Matt Cassel was Piol's choice plain and simple.

Tyson Jackson was just another prime example of a Pioli pick.

Haley is just a scapegoat in this trainwreck.

DaKCMan AP 12-12-2011 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 8194681)
I don't know why you wouldn't given his track record.

Because he goes against the grain no matter what's being discussed. It's his M.O.

Chiefnj2 12-12-2011 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8194686)
So the guy that broke the Cam Newton story, the Ohio State saga as well as the Miami booster bombshell, is going to risk his reputation by skewering Todd Haley?

Get real.

This guy is way too high up in the investigative journalism pecking order to risk his reputation on a couple of throwaway shots at a coach he has no ties to.

Robinson's not a bomb-thrower; he's a legitimately connected guy. If he says it, you'd do well to believe it.

Where was all his KC info the last 3 years?

HemiEd 12-12-2011 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chop (Post 8194609)
I'm sure Haley probably wasn't thrilled about having his starting QB selected before he started the HC job.

He signed on with handcuffs and no chance to succeed.

Reaper16 12-12-2011 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8194686)
So the guy that broke the Cam Newton story, as well as the Miami bombshell, is going to risk his reputation by skewering Todd Haley?

Get real.

This guy is way too high up in the investigative journalism pecking order to risk his reputation on a couple of throwaway shots at a coach he has no ties to.

Robinson's not a bomb-thrower; he's a legitimately connected guy. If he says it, you'd do well to believe it.

Exactly. Dude is legit, and we'd do well to respect the info that he's Tweeting out right now.

OnTheWarpath15 12-12-2011 12:24 PM

@CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Bottom line, both Haley and Pioli have tremendous egos. They were going to end up resenting each other and struggling over credit/blame.


Did someone say ego? /Whitlock

O.city 12-12-2011 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 8194684)
Cassel's development is tied to one thing:

A weak schedule.

Boom right there it is.


I'll give Pioli the benefit of having to bring him back this year. This was the year to determine if he was the guy or not.

In the end alot of decisions are made on whether or not they will put people in the stands. We on CP knew he shouldn't be brought back, but getting rid of a pro bowl qb the year after isn't a great way to bring in fans.

Brock 12-12-2011 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8194671)
Almost as rich as the fact the people continue to insist that Weis was the reason Cassel got so much "better" in 2010, despite this nugget...

That just further proves what a little boy Haley really was. Oh no, Charlie's getting the credit!!!

Frosty 12-12-2011 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 8194678)
So... if Haley was the one behind Cassel... then Pioli is an idiot for not firing Haley sooner. :D

Hell yeah. I was a borderline Haley supporter, but if this is true, Haley should have been gone a long time ago.

Reerun_KC 12-12-2011 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8194703)
@CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Bottom line, both Haley and Pioli have tremendous egos. They were going to end up resenting each other and struggling over credit/blame.


Did someone say ego? /Whitlock

Yeah Whitlock with some ground breaking journalism here...

ROFL

Why people keep qouting him as a source is beyond stupid... Every ****ing GM and HC in the league have an ego...

You dont get to the top of your profession without an EGO of some sort.

JFC people, stop licking the ballsack of Whitlock...

OnTheWarpath15 12-12-2011 12:27 PM

@CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Local take that Weis was in Cassel's corner and Haley wasn't is completely false. That's a myth perpetuated to undercut Haley at the end.

HemiEd 12-12-2011 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8194627)
This is too funny. All the Haley supporters said Cassel was forced on him, etc. Now this "reporter" is claiming Haley supported Cassel to his subordinates, as he should.

fixed it for you


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