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Rain Man 12-12-2011 07:11 PM

Desired Characteristics in the Next Head Coach
 
It'll take me a few minutes to get the poll put up, so in the meantime, discuss why NASA hasn't used dog breeding philosophies and selective breeding to produce little tiny astronauts for Mars missions.

Nightfyre 12-12-2011 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 8197472)
It'll take me a few minutes to get the poll put up, so in the meantime, discuss why NASA hasn't used dog breeding philosophies and selective breeding to produce little tiny astronauts for Mars missions.

Dogs are probably already overly-selectively-bred.

Jewish Rabbi 12-12-2011 07:12 PM

Must be able to win a Super Bowl

Jewish Rabbi 12-12-2011 07:13 PM

Hates Matt Cassel

Chiefs Pantalones 12-12-2011 07:13 PM

Attack on offense, attack on defense and make getting a franchise QB a priority.

Graystoke 12-12-2011 07:16 PM

Must have hair like Rod Blagojevich.

http://zoecarter.com/wp-content/uplo...11/06/1517.jpg

Gadzooks 12-12-2011 07:18 PM

Large, feminine breasts

Nightfyre 12-12-2011 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 8197505)
Large, feminine breasts

Your primary candidates based on this qualification are Weis, Crennel and Mangini. If forced to speculate on whose are the most feminine, I have to go with Mangina.

Okie_Apparition 12-12-2011 07:19 PM

Norv is still the coach in SD

jd1020 12-12-2011 07:20 PM

A Defensive minded HC who understands the importance of having a QB. Get a QB and the offense takes care of itself.

Phobia 12-12-2011 07:20 PM

I want the guy to have fingers so he'll have a place to keep rings.

Hammock Parties 12-12-2011 07:20 PM

Doesn't breath fire.

HonestChieffan 12-12-2011 07:21 PM

Nasa has em. Area 51 they are all over the place buy in camo and being small, no one sees them. Like Hobbits.

AustinChief 12-12-2011 07:21 PM

OH! This will be good, if you combine your characteristics POLL with my POLL on what category (ex Nfl head coach, college head coach, up and coming coordinator, etc) we will have enough info to pick the perfect candidate from the pool!

FAX 12-12-2011 07:22 PM

I'm thinking somebody with win skills.

FAX

htismaqe 12-12-2011 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 8197515)
I want the guy to have fingers so he'll have a place to keep rings.

Awesome.

patteeu 12-12-2011 07:26 PM

Someone who spends enough time on message boards to know all the right answers.

KCBOSS1 12-12-2011 07:26 PM

Billicheck Traits. Come and trade Cassel. Vermeil qualities.... Build rediculous offense and keep this defense.

Gadzooks 12-12-2011 07:27 PM

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/...if?w=331&h=229
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Gadzooks 12-12-2011 07:35 PM

I voted for all the bad stuff and it seems Chief fans agree with me.

Phobia 12-12-2011 07:40 PM

Did not even vote on 3-7 because I don't really care about any of that crap. I want a coach who has the basic set of skills covered period. I'm tired of stupid clock management errors. I'm tired of taking three points when we really need 7 if we have our sights set on winning. I want a coach who can adapt the scheme to showcase the available players' strengths. I want a coach who can make halftime adjustments to the gameplan. I want a guy who can motivate and have the team prepared to play every time they step on the field. I want a guy who doesn't smile, joke, and carry on after a stupid loss that was most likely his fault. I want a guy who will actually answer an honest question with an honest answer. Let the PR people handle PR. Let the coach talk.

edit: I also want a dexterous coach who can get out of the way of a sideline tackle.

FAX 12-12-2011 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 8197633)
Did not even vote on 3-7 because I don't really care about any of that crap. I want a coach who has the basic set of skills covered period. I'm tired of stupid clock management errors. I'm tired of taking three points when we really need 7 if we have our sights set on winning. I want a coach who can adapt the scheme to showcase the available players' strengths. I want a coach who can make halftime adjustments to the gameplan. I want a guy who can motivate and have the team prepared to play every time they step on the field. I want a guy who doesn't smile, joke, and carry on after a stupid loss that was most likely his fault. I want a guy who will actually answer an honest question with an honest answer. Let the PR people handle PR. Let the coach talk.

I don't think you're going to get that while Pioli is GM, Mr. Phobia. I wish that weren't true, but I think they are trying to control every detail that is disseminated to the public ... including coach's comments.

FAX

Backwards Masking 12-12-2011 07:43 PM

It's all offense now. don't see many players on that side of the ball getting fined and suspended for playing. Saints, Packers, Patiots, 49ers, Texans (before the injuries).

I'll take offensice minded for sure.

Backwards Masking 12-12-2011 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8197646)
I don't think you're going to get that while Pioli is GM, Mr. Phobia. I wish that weren't true, but I think they are trying to control every detail that is disseminated to the public ... including coach's comments.

FAX

100 percent correct.

Nightfyre 12-12-2011 07:44 PM

The poll fails to capture what I want in a coach.
Criteria #1 Coach needs to have an offensive coordinator/QB coach who can identify elite QB talent at the collegiate level and develop it at the pro level.
Criteria #2 Coach needs to have an aggressive mentality with respect to both defense, offense and game management. I want to see blitzes. I want to see fakes on special teams. I want to see down-field passes.
Criteria #3 Coach needs to be a strong leader and motivator. By this I mean his players need to trust him but not necessarily like him. He needs to demand and get maximum production out of his players.
Criteria #4 Coach needs to be able to delegate to and trust his assistants and coordinators.


Edit: As part of #4, the Coach should be providing purpose, direction and motivation to his team. He needs to accomplish this through strong oversight and through his coordinators. His assistants and coordinators need to accomplish the gameplanning and enforcement of fundamentals. The Head Coach should sign off on these and develop an over-arcing plan for the other coaches to implement.
Much beyond this, I couldn't give a ****.

Gadzooks 12-12-2011 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Backwards Masking (Post 8197648)
It's all offense now. don't see many players on that side of the ball getting fined and suspended for playing. Saints, Packers, Patiots, 49ers, Texans (before the injuries).

I'll take offensice minded for sure.

I'll let word "offensice" slide this time because the "c" and "v' are so close on the keyboard.
Don't let it happen agaib!!!

chiefzilla1501 12-12-2011 07:46 PM

Does he drive plow?

Bugeater 12-12-2011 07:50 PM

Man that is way too much crap to consider, I'll just go with posts #3 & #4.

Nightfyre 12-13-2011 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8197662)
The poll fails to capture what I want in a coach.
Criteria #1 Coach needs to have an offensive coordinator/QB coach who can identify elite QB talent at the collegiate level and develop it at the pro level.
Criteria #2 Coach needs to have an aggressive mentality with respect to both defense, offense and game management. I want to see blitzes. I want to see fakes on special teams. I want to see down-field passes.
Criteria #3 Coach needs to be a strong leader and motivator. By this I mean his players need to trust him but not necessarily like him. He needs to demand and get maximum production out of his players.
Criteria #4 Coach needs to be able to delegate to and trust his assistants and coordinators.


Edit: As part of #4, the Coach should be providing purpose, direction and motivation to his team. He needs to accomplish this through strong oversight and through his coordinators. His assistants and coordinators need to accomplish the gameplanning and enforcement of fundamentals. The Head Coach should sign off on these and develop an over-arcing plan for the other coaches to implement.
Much beyond this, I couldn't give a ****.

I just realized a coach who probably fits my bill: Andy Reid.

Sofa King 12-13-2011 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Backwards Masking (Post 8197648)
It's all offense now. don't see many players on that side of the ball getting fined and suspended for playing. Saints, Packers, Patiots, 49ers, Texans (before the injuries).

I'll take offensice minded for sure.

I think you are looking for the Hamas thread.

Rasputin 12-13-2011 11:44 AM

Hank Stram & or Vince Lombardi characteristics work for me.

Rooster 12-13-2011 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8197512)
Your primary candidates based on this qualification are Weis, Crennel and Mangini. If forced to speculate on whose are the most feminine, I have to go with Mangina.

LMAO

Pitt Gorilla 12-13-2011 11:45 AM

Dreamy.

durtyrute 12-13-2011 11:49 AM

Whatever coach is the most like Mike is the one I want

http://reddogreport.com/wp-content/u...ke-Tomlin1.jpg

the Talking Can 12-13-2011 11:52 AM

i closed my eyes and clicked on things

+ i want a coach who enjoys a good public finger banging

kc rush 12-13-2011 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 8197515)
I want the guy to have fingers so he'll have a place to keep rings.

Or finger women at bars?

Rain Man 12-13-2011 11:58 AM

It appears that our consensus coach is the following:

an X's and O's guy as opposed to a player's coach
a guy who doesn't want GM duties
a guy who was a fringe player himself in the NFL
a guy who is not from one of the major coaching dynasties
a guy with coordinator experience, but not a former NFL head coach
a guy with an offensive background
a guy who drafts best player available instead of building around a system
a guy who is cool, sophisticated, and cerebral
a guy who leans more toward too bold as opposed to too conservative.

Okay, so who's out there that fits these criteria?

Chief Roundup 12-13-2011 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8199625)
i closed my eyes and clicked on things

+ i want a coach who enjoys a good public finger banging

You want to be the first franchise to hire a Woman Head Coach??? New level of the Rooney Rule...hmmmm

KC-TBB 12-13-2011 12:03 PM

must be named Mike

Chiefnj2 12-13-2011 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 8199645)
It appears that our consensus coach is the following:

an X's and O's guy as opposed to a player's coach
a guy who doesn't want GM duties
a guy who was a fringe player himself in the NFL
a guy who is not from one of the major coaching dynasties
a guy with coordinator experience, but not a former NFL head coach
a guy with an offensive background
a guy who drafts best player available instead of building around a system
a guy who is cool, sophisticated, and cerebral
a guy who leans more toward too bold as opposed to too conservative.

Okay, so who's out there that fits these criteria?

COACHING
Rob Chudzinski followed head coach Ron Rivera from the San Diego Chargers to Carolina to be the Panthers' offensive coordinator. In 17 previous seasons as an NFL and college assistant, he has had success leading offenses and earned a reputation for developing tight ends.

As the Chargers' tight ends and assistant head coach in 2010, Chudzinski helped San Diego rank first in the NFL in total offense with an average of 395.6 yards per game and second in scoring with an average of 27.6 points per game.

Tight end Antonio Gates excelled during both of Chudzinski's two-year stints on the Chargers coaching staff from 2005-06 and 2009-10. Gates made his seventh consecutive Pro Bowl last season, one year after producing a career-high 1,157 yards. In 2005, Chudzinski's first season as San Diego's tight ends coach, Gates registered the only other 1,000-yard receiving season of his career with 1,101 yards on a career-high 89 receptions.

In between Chudzinski's stints with the Chargers, he served as the Cleveland Browns offensive coordinator for two seasons. In 2007, the Browns won 10 games - their most wins since 1994 - and Chudzinski's offense played a key role in the team's success. Cleveland ranked eighth in the league in total offense and scoring, accumulating 5,621 net yards and 402 points.

Four players went to the Pro Bowl: quarterback Derek Anderson, wide receiver Braylon Edwards, tackle Joe Thomas and tight end Kellen Winslow II. Anderson threw 29 touchdowns, while Edwards and Winslow combined with running back Jamal Lewis to give the Browns two 1,000-yard receivers and a 1,000-yard rusher.

Chudzinski began his pro coaching career as Cleveland's tight ends coach in 2004 and worked with Winslow, the team's top draft choice. He was elevated to offensive coordinator for the final five games of the season under interim head coach Terry Robiskie after the resignation of head coach Butch Davis.

From 1994-2003, Chudzinski spent 10 years as an assistant at his alma mater, the University of Miami (Fla.): three seasons as offensive coordinator, five as tight ends coach and two as a graduate assistant.

During his three years as offensive coordinator, he guided a unit that went 12-0 and won the national championship in 2001 and set school records for points, total yards and rushing touchdowns the next season. In addition, Chudzinski worked with numerous future NFL players, including them wide receiver Andre Johnson, running backs Frank Gore, Willis McGahee and Clinton Portis, tackle Bryant McKinnie and quarterback Ken Dorsey.

Promoted from graduate assistant to tight ends coach in 1996, Miami's tight ends flourished under Chudzinski's tutelage. He mentored Bubba Franks, Jeremy Shockey and Winslow, all of whom were All-Americans and became first-round draft picks and Pro Bowl players in the NFL.

PLAYING AND PERSONAL
A three-year starter at tight end for Miami (Fla.) from 1986-90, Chudzinski played on national championship teams in 1987 and 1989. He earned a bachelor's degree in business administration in 1990 and added a master's degree in business administration in 1996. Chudzinski and his wife, Sheila, have two sons, Kaelan and Rian, and a daughter, Margaret.

HISTORY
Tight end Miami (Fla.) 1986-90. College coach: Miami (Fla.) 1994-2003. Pro coach: Cleveland Browns 2004, 2007-08, San Diego Chargers 2005-06, 2009-10, joined Panthers in 2011.

Rain Man 12-13-2011 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8199674)
COACHING
Rob Chudzinski ...

Chudzinski, eh? Let's see


an X's and O's guy as opposed to a player's coach - Check
a guy who doesn't want GM duties - Probably check
a guy who was a fringe player himself in the NFL - No, but was on a national champion college team
a guy who is not from one of the major coaching dynasties - Check
a guy with coordinator experience, but not a former NFL head coach - Check
a guy with an offensive background - Check
a guy who drafts best player available instead of building around a system - Not sure yet
a guy who is cool, sophisticated, and cerebral - Don't know
a guy who leans more toward too bold as opposed to too conservative - Don't know


Seems promising.

MOhillbilly 12-13-2011 12:16 PM

A coach that will build a powerhouse and rule like Stalin.

suds79 12-13-2011 12:19 PM

Could have been a lot easier to have a "Has no ties to Scott Pioli" option.

I checked everything in that category that pertained to that.

Predarat 12-13-2011 12:19 PM

Where is the box for NOT Josh McDaniels.

Bump 12-13-2011 12:21 PM

Vermeil + Crennel and our defense as it is now = CHAMPIONSHIP! Of course, Vermeil would probably go get a QB like he did with Trent Green but I think Vermeil could do some wonders with RG3.

Make it happen Scott.

But it won't. Vermeil only came here because of his relationship with Carl. So, I don't really know at all who I'd want as HC realistically.

bevischief 12-13-2011 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8197662)
The poll fails to capture what I want in a coach.
Criteria #1 Coach needs to have an offensive coordinator/QB coach who can identify elite QB talent at the collegiate level and develop it at the pro level.
Criteria #2 Coach needs to have an aggressive mentality with respect to both defense, offense and game management. I want to see blitzes. I want to see fakes on special teams. I want to see down-field passes.
Criteria #3 Coach needs to be a strong leader and motivator. By this I mean his players need to trust him but not necessarily like him. He needs to demand and get maximum production out of his players.
Criteria #4 Coach needs to be able to delegate to and trust his assistants and coordinators.



Edit: As part of #4, the Coach should be providing purpose, direction and motivation to his team. He needs to accomplish this through strong oversight and through his coordinators. His assistants and coordinators need to accomplish the gameplanning and enforcement of fundamentals. The Head Coach should sign off on these and develop an over-arcing plan for the other coaches to implement.
Much beyond this, I couldn't give a ****.



I totally agree with all of this.

DMAC 12-13-2011 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 8197481)
Hates Matt Cassel

This. Elite QB is more important than coach.

Rausch 12-13-2011 12:47 PM

I feel a HC should get 3 years.

I hated Haley, hated his style, and I'm fine with him being gone. I don't see an extra 3 games changing much of anything but if I'm the GM I'd still give the guy I went out on a limb for his 3 years.

If there is anything this organization needs to learn is that it's better to give up to soon than to late...

Rausch 12-13-2011 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMAC (Post 8199748)
This. Elite QB is more important than coach.

I disagree.

I think that has to be A and B.

That's the key points. Coach and QB.

It's not about one or the other it's when you get both you do something special...

Saulbadguy 12-13-2011 12:51 PM

dividers

Okie_Apparition 12-13-2011 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graystoke (Post 8197499)
Must have hair like Rod Blagojevich.

http://zoecarter.com/wp-content/uplo...11/06/1517.jpg

Is that his upper teeth or lower teeth
disturbing

Huffman83 12-13-2011 12:56 PM

I think there's one category we're missing. A winner. I don't care who they hire, I don't care who they cut, I don't care who they fire. Just win. It won't matter if we don't like the coach or not, winning makes you like a coach a whole lot better than any bullshit reason.

The Iron Chief 12-13-2011 12:58 PM

A coach with a 4 yr plan instead of a 5 yr plan!

DMAC 12-13-2011 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 8199823)
I disagree.

I think that has to be A and B.

That's the key points. Coach and QB.

It's not about one or the other it's when you get both you do something special...

Jim Caldwell/ Peyton Manning

A QB makes the coach.

BoneKrusher 12-13-2011 01:01 PM

Our New Head Coach:

Being a Winner is a must

and he Must Refuse Cassel as His Starter

Rausch 12-13-2011 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMAC (Post 8199864)
Jim Caldwell/ Peyton Manning

A QB makes the coach.

Walsh made Montana.

I don't think Brady is Brady without the Hoody.

Bradshaw is a total ****ing idiot. There's no way he finds his way out of a closet without guidance.

I will say that you need both the HC and the QB or there is no SB.

There are only 2 exceptions I can think of in (modern age) the last 20 years...

DMAC 12-13-2011 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 8199889)
Walsh made Montana.

I don't think Brady is Brady without the Hoody.

Bradshaw is a total ****ing idiot. There's no way he finds his way out of a closet without guidance.

I will say that you need both the HC and the QB or there is no SB.

There are only 2 exceptions I can think of in (modern age) the last 20 years...

And what I am saying is you will have more success with an elite QB than with a coach.

Chief Roundup 12-13-2011 01:48 PM

So who are the canidates that best fit the majority votes?
It would be cool if someone with these awesome poll abilities wanted to continue this effort to narrow down canidates and name a chiefsplanet HC nomination by popular vote.

Rausch 12-13-2011 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMAC (Post 8199932)
And what I am saying is you will have more success with an elite QB than with a coach.

There are a ton of HOF QB's who'd argue that...

DMAC 12-13-2011 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 8200066)
There are a ton of HOF QB's who'd argue that...

No they would agree. LMAO

DMAC 12-13-2011 02:01 PM

A team is only as good as their QB. Just look around the league. The identity of the team is with the QB, not the coach.

jd1020 12-13-2011 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMAC (Post 8200131)
A team is only as good as their QB. Just look around the league. The identity of the team is with the QB, not the coach.

One could make an argument for the 49ers.

DMAC 12-13-2011 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8200145)
One could make an argument for the 49ers.

Your argument is valid. Their D is their identity. But this is definitely not common.

whoman69 12-13-2011 04:41 PM

Normally when hiring a coach you want to go 180 on the previous coach's temperment if that coach didn't work out. Its also best to go to the other side of the ball, so we're back to a coach with a defensive background. Most Super Bowl level HCs have a history of being a pro coordinator. Only Coughlin and Vermeil haven't followed that path in the last 15 years. Being a retread HC isn't necessarily bad as long as that coach has not won a Super Bowl.

patteeu 12-13-2011 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8200736)
Normally when hiring a coach you want to go 180 on the previous coach's temperment if that coach didn't work out. Its also best to go to the other side of the ball, so we're back to a coach with a defensive background. Most Super Bowl level HCs have a history of being a pro coordinator. Only Coughlin and Vermeil haven't followed that path in the last 15 years. Being a retread HC isn't necessarily bad as long as that coach has not won a Super Bowl.

How many super bowl winning coaches have gone on to coach another team? How many years did those coaches continue to coach without a championship? How many years do non-superbowl-winning coaches have to coach, on average, before winning their first championship?

The idea that we shouldn't hire a coach who already has a superbowl because there have never been any to repeat with another team is flawed, IMO, because of the small sample size.

stonedstooge 12-13-2011 05:38 PM

Clark says "would like to find someone who will come at a cheap salary"

Gary 12-13-2011 06:34 PM

I want a coach that knows how to develop talent. I want a coach that has the "Michael Jordan" effect...meaning players are scared to death of putting in a bad performance and letting him down, so they raise their game to the level he demands. I want a coach that has a look/attitude like Parcells did in the old NY Giant days on the sidelines.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-13-2011 06:37 PM

#1) Hired by a GM who isn't Scott Pioli.

whoman69 12-13-2011 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 8200873)
How many super bowl winning coaches have gone on to coach another team? How many years did those coaches continue to coach without a championship? How many years do non-superbowl-winning coaches have to coach, on average, before winning their first championship?

The idea that we shouldn't hire a coach who already has a superbowl because there have never been any to repeat with another team is flawed, IMO, because of the small sample size.

Seiffert was coach of the Panthers for 3 years and didn't get another job because the last year he was there they won 1 game. Jimmy Johnson spent 4 years with the Dolphins and quit after his team was beaten 62-7 by Jax in the playoffs. Mike Ditka and Hank Stram both went to the Saints and burned hard there after 2 and 3 seasons respectively. Ditka pretty much burned bridges after trading his entire draft for Ricky Williams. Tom Flores spent three seasons with the Seahawks. Joe Gibbs proved you can't go home again with the Redskins after 4 seasons. Bill Parcelles had stints with the Patriots, Jets and Cowboys getting back to the Super Bowl but losing, a total of 11 seasons. Mike Holmgren spent 9 seasons with the Seahawks, losing in SB XL. Shanahan has spent the last 2 seasons destroying the Redskins. Don McCafferty was fired after refusing to bench Unitas and spent one season with the Lions where he died of a heart attack after his first season. Vince Lombardi had 2 seasons with the Redskins, one as GM and the other as coach before succumbing to cancer.

You don't think that is enough? Prior to the Super Bowl era, Weeb Ewbank is the only coach to win championships with two different teams. That's about 90 years of history.

Coaches generally win their first Super Bowl within five years of being with their team. Noll, Coughlin and Cowher would be the exceptions there.

CaliforniaChief 12-13-2011 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 8197633)
Did not even vote on 3-7 because I don't really care about any of that crap. I want a coach who has the basic set of skills covered period. I'm tired of stupid clock management errors. I'm tired of taking three points when we really need 7 if we have our sights set on winning. I want a coach who can adapt the scheme to showcase the available players' strengths. I want a coach who can make halftime adjustments to the gameplan. I want a guy who can motivate and have the team prepared to play every time they step on the field. I want a guy who doesn't smile, joke, and carry on after a stupid loss that was most likely his fault. I want a guy who will actually answer an honest question with an honest answer. Let the PR people handle PR. Let the coach talk.

edit: I also want a dexterous coach who can get out of the way of a sideline tackle.

Pretty much this. I want a guy who is an excellent game planner and knows how to execute the strategy, dealing with adjustments and other things. Good at clock management and not an idiot with the challenge flags.

Obviously he has to set a championship-oriented culture in the locker room and keep everyone accountable to that.

patteeu 12-13-2011 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8201166)
Seiffert was coach of the Panthers for 3 years and didn't get another job because the last year he was there they won 1 game. Jimmy Johnson spent 4 years with the Dolphins and quit after his team was beaten 62-7 by Jax in the playoffs. Mike Ditka and Hank Stram both went to the Saints and burned hard there after 2 and 3 seasons respectively. Ditka pretty much burned bridges after trading his entire draft for Ricky Williams. Tom Flores spent three seasons with the Seahawks. Joe Gibbs proved you can't go home again with the Redskins after 4 seasons. Bill Parcelles had stints with the Patriots, Jets and Cowboys getting back to the Super Bowl but losing, a total of 11 seasons. Mike Holmgren spent 9 seasons with the Seahawks, losing in SB XL. Shanahan has spent the last 2 seasons destroying the Redskins. Don McCafferty was fired after refusing to bench Unitas and spent one season with the Lions where he died of a heart attack after his first season. Vince Lombardi had 2 seasons with the Redskins, one as GM and the other as coach before succumbing to cancer.

You don't think that is enough? Prior to the Super Bowl era, Weeb Ewbank is the only coach to win championships with two different teams. That's about 90 years of history.

Coaches generally win their first Super Bowl within five years of being with their team. Noll, Coughlin and Cowher would be the exceptions there.

No, I don't really think that's enough. I don't expect this superstition to be predictive forever.

Tombstone RJ 12-13-2011 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8201166)
Seiffert was coach of the Panthers for 3 years and didn't get another job because the last year he was there they won 1 game. Jimmy Johnson spent 4 years with the Dolphins and quit after his team was beaten 62-7 by Jax in the playoffs. Mike Ditka and Hank Stram both went to the Saints and burned hard there after 2 and 3 seasons respectively. Ditka pretty much burned bridges after trading his entire draft for Ricky Williams. Tom Flores spent three seasons with the Seahawks. Joe Gibbs proved you can't go home again with the Redskins after 4 seasons. Bill Parcelles had stints with the Patriots, Jets and Cowboys getting back to the Super Bowl but losing, a total of 11 seasons. Mike Holmgren spent 9 seasons with the Seahawks, losing in SB XL. Shanahan has spent the last 2 seasons destroying the Redskins. Don McCafferty was fired after refusing to bench Unitas and spent one season with the Lions where he died of a heart attack after his first season. Vince Lombardi had 2 seasons with the Redskins, one as GM and the other as coach before succumbing to cancer.

You don't think that is enough? Prior to the Super Bowl era, Weeb Ewbank is the only coach to win championships with two different teams. That's about 90 years of history.

Coaches generally win their first Super Bowl within five years of being with their team. Noll, Coughlin and Cowher would be the exceptions there.

Don't forget about Dick Vermiel... LMAO

whoman69 12-13-2011 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 8201411)
No, I don't really think that's enough. I don't expect this superstition to be predictive forever.

90 years of history and you still don't give in. Is your picture next to the word intractable in the dictionary?

patteeu 12-13-2011 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8201487)
90 years of history and you still don't give in. Is your picture next to the word intractable in the dictionary?

There are a grand total of 11 super bowl winning coaches who have gone on to coach other teams. Of those, 2 are still active so the jury is out.

Compare that small number to the scores, if not hundreds, of coaches who never get their first SB championship.

I don't think we should let superstition limit our options. If a still-energetic, former super bowl winning coaching candidate is available, he ought to get just as much consideration as a guy who's never been a coach or the guy who's teams never won it all.

CrazyHorse 12-14-2011 04:58 AM

I find it interesting that most chose, "Coach is an X’s and O’s coach and not a “player’s coach” instead of, "Coach is a "player's coach".

However when asked about skills vs. systems, most chose, "Coach is known for development of fundamental skills in players more than innovative systems." instead of," Coach is known for developing innovative systems over developing fundamental skills."

Further, most chose to draft best available over best fit for system.

This proves that most dont know what they want. It also shows most dont know what they are talking about. I find that hard to believe with all the experts we have here at CP.:)

OzarksChiefsFan 12-14-2011 06:50 AM

How about someone closer to God than Tim Tebow?

patteeu 12-14-2011 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse (Post 8202212)
I find it interesting that most chose, "Coach is an X’s and O’s coach and not a “player’s coach” instead of, "Coach is a "player's coach".

However when asked about skills vs. systems, most chose, "Coach is known for development of fundamental skills in players more than innovative systems." instead of," Coach is known for developing innovative systems over developing fundamental skills."

Further, most chose to draft best available over best fit for system.

This proves that most dont know what they want. It also shows most dont know what they are talking about. I find that hard to believe with all the experts we have here at CP.:)

I'd interpret that collection of responses to mean that we want a coach who doesn't coddle the players, who drafts BAA and develops them, who isn't tied to any one system but instead can design a system around his players, and who can make effective in-game adjustments. That's a pretty tall order though.

CrazyHorse 12-14-2011 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 8202370)
I'd interpret that collection of responses to mean that we want a coach who doesn't coddle the players, who drafts BAA and develops them, who isn't tied to any one system but instead can design a system around his players, and who can make effective in-game adjustments. That's a pretty tall order though.

Yeah, I guess so. If you consider a players coach as one who coddles. I wasnt looking at it that way. But then I was looking at "an Xs and Os guy" to mean one who chooses the sysrem over the player.

Maybe I was reading something into it that wasnt there. Wouldnt be the 1st time. I would agree with your description as who I would want. It shouldnt be that tall an order.


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