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ShowtimeSBMVP 12-13-2011 11:17 AM

Crennel on QBs
 
JoshLooneyJosh Looney

Crennel has not decided on a starting quarterback for Sunday vs. GB. #Chiefs




kentbabbKent Babb

Crennel doesn't rule out starting Ricky Stanzi against the Packers.

Dayze 12-13-2011 11:19 AM

kentbabbKent Babb

Crennel might consider benching Palko after his 5th interception.

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DMAC 12-13-2011 11:20 AM

Crennel has not received order on who to play.

jd1020 12-13-2011 11:22 AM

I thought this was going to be about some interview he did on channel "QBS."

BossChief 12-13-2011 11:22 AM

Stanzi will start.

Dayze 12-13-2011 11:22 AM

Crennel will probably be wearing a buzzer device similar to the refs; he'll get the signal when he's allowed to pull Palko when Pioli hits the button....whilst petting a white cat.

DMAC 12-13-2011 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8199508)
Stanzi will play.

FYP

FAX 12-13-2011 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 8199509)
Crennel will probably be wearing a buzzer device similar to the refs; he'll get the signal when he's allowed to pull Palko when Pioli hits the button....whilst petting a white cat.

ROFL

Damn. The truth can be so funny.

FAX

JD10367 12-13-2011 11:24 AM

I don't get why they're not playing him. If I were a Chiefs fan, I'd be tired of hearing "he's not ready to play QB in the NFL". How the **** do they know if they don't let him try? Palko certainly isn't ready to play QB in the NFL, but it didn't stop them from playing him. This is a prime spot to play Stanzi: expectations are absolutely nil. They just fired the coach, the undefeated world champions are on the schedule, and everyone expects 56-3. So let Stanzi give it a shot. If he actually plays well, it would be a huge boost to his confidence as well as the fans'; if he doesn't, no harm done, no one expected him to do much anyway.

Great Expectations 12-13-2011 11:24 AM

Was Todd forced to play Richardson like he was forced to play Palko?


I don't buy into any of the above, I think Todd played who he wanted to and wasn't going to be bullied into playing anyone he didn't want to play.

JD10367 12-13-2011 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 8199509)
Crennel will probably be wearing a buzzer device similar to the refs; he'll get the signal when he's allowed to pull Palko when Pioli hits the button....whilst petting a white cat.

And holding his pinky to his lips. (He does sort of look like Dr. Evil...)

htismaqe 12-13-2011 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 8199518)
Was Todd forced to play Richardson like he was forced to play Palko?


I don't buy into any of the above, I think Todd played who he wanted to and wasn't going to be bullied into playing anyone he didn't want to play.

Todd was forced to play Cassel, if for no other reason than the GM didn't acquire any competition for him.

Starting Palko was Todd's last, large middle finger to the franchise.

FAX 12-13-2011 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 8199524)
And holding his pinky to his lips. (He does sort of look like Dr. Evil...)

He totally does, man.

FAX

FAX 12-13-2011 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8199527)
Todd was forced to play Cassel, if for no other reason than the GM didn't acquire any competition for him.

Starting Palko was Todd's last, large middle finger to the franchise.

Yep. He knew it was over weeks ago.

Pioli was looking down at him as he is want to do.

FAX

Chiefnj2 12-13-2011 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8199527)
if for no other reason than the GM didn't acquire any competition for him.

.

Keep doubting Matt Guttierrez.

lcarus 12-13-2011 11:29 AM

We might as well see what Stanzi can do for the remainder of the season. No way should we ever go back to Palko again. That shit ran its course with Haley.

Dayze 12-13-2011 11:29 AM

I snapped this pic at the Steeler game as I walked past Pioli's suite. the door was only cracked a bit, but I managed to get a glimpse.

I think the image on the computer screen is Haley, his daughter, and family dog. Really, mocking Pioli like that was the kiss of death.
http://a.sccdn.net/size/486x/news/84054_1260483251.jpg

Rasputin 12-13-2011 11:30 AM

Stanzi

Powe

Hudson

Need to play.

BossChief 12-13-2011 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 8199518)
Was Todd forced to play Richardson like he was forced to play Palko?


I don't buy into any of the above, I think Todd played who he wanted to and wasn't going to be bullied into playing anyone he didn't want to play.

Haley was a Pioli puppet.

Pioli traded for Cassel
Pioli retained Gailey (with input from Clark)
Pioli hired Weis

I'm not sure how far Pioli went with his overuse of power, but to act as if he let Haley play who he wants is foolish.

Brock 12-13-2011 11:30 AM

Sure would like to see this.

BigRichard 12-13-2011 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 8199517)
I don't get why they're not playing him. If I were a Chiefs fan, I'd be tired of hearing "he's not ready to play QB in the NFL". How the **** do they know if they don't let him try? Palko certainly isn't ready to play QB in the NFL, but it didn't stop them from playing him. This is a prime spot to play Stanzi: expectations are absolutely nil. They just fired the coach, the undefeated world champions are on the schedule, and everyone expects 56-3. So let Stanzi give it a shot. If he actually plays well, it would be a huge boost to his confidence as well as the fans'; if he doesn't, no harm done, no one expected him to do much anyway.

The other thing would be, I haven't looked this up, isn't GB's defense very weak?

Rasputin 12-13-2011 11:32 AM

It would help for Stanzi to go ahead and get first team reps in practice. Something he has prob not been given.

lcarus 12-13-2011 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8199548)
Haley was a Pioli puppet.

Pioli traded for Cassel
Pioli retained Gailey (with input from Clark)
Pioli hired Weis

I'm not sure how far Pioli went with his overuse of power, but to act as if he let Haley play who he wants is foolish.

I think Palko might be the exception here, and Pioli might have been like "Alright Todd, but if this is a huge epic failure, it's on you". So Todd went with Palko, he was a huge embarrassing failure of epic proportions, and Pioli said "YOU'RE ****ING FIRED TODD!!!"

htismaqe 12-13-2011 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8199535)
Keep doubting Matt Guttierrez.

You have to laugh because the only other choice is to cry.

oldandslow 12-13-2011 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8199531)
Yep. He knew it was over weeks ago.

Pioli was looking down at him as he is want to do.

FAX

Did you not get Donger's lecture on the Queen's English...

"as he is wont to do." :)

Tribal Warfare 12-13-2011 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRichard (Post 8199553)
The other thing would be, I haven't looked this up, isn't GB's defense very weak?

A ball hawk opportunistic, that has played an ass load of high powered offenses.

kcfanXIII 12-13-2011 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 8199518)
Was Todd forced to play Richardson like he was forced to play Palko?


I don't buy into any of the above, I think Todd played who he wanted to and wasn't going to be bullied into playing anyone he didn't want to play.

I'll take this one step further and say that Todd was stubborn to a fault when it came to who he would play. I think once it became obvious to the rest of us that palko wasn't an nfl qb, it only furthered todd's desire to prove everybody wrong. really my only complaint about todd, but that doesn't matter anymore.

Ming the Merciless 12-13-2011 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8199507)
I thought this was going to be about some interview he did on channel "QBS."

same here LOL

Titty Meat 12-13-2011 11:42 AM

Let the conspiracy theories begin..... If he's playing the guy who supposedly wasn't ready and is auditioning for the job is it because he'll likely be the head coach next year?

Frazod 12-13-2011 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8199508)
Stanzi will start.

Christ, I hope so. If nothing else, I'm tired of hearing about him.

BossChief 12-13-2011 11:46 AM

Stanzi split first team reps last week per local reporters.

I'd almost be willing to bet he starts the last 3 games (barring injury)

It's about to get interesting for the first time in a very long time.

2 home starts back to back and then finishes on the road against Denver.

yeti 12-13-2011 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRichard (Post 8199553)
The other thing would be, I haven't looked this up, isn't GB's defense very weak?

That was Ponder's first start against the Packers right? World did not end.

kcfanXIII 12-13-2011 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 8199604)
Christ, I hope so. If nothing else, I'm tired of hearing about him.

ya, i'm reminded of croyle vs huard a few years ago. croyle was an unknown, and huard's skills were well documented. hope this guy turns out better then the last...

Chief Roundup 12-13-2011 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 8199589)
A ball hawk opportunistic, that has played an ass load of high powered offenses.

Their defense isn't that bad. BJ Raji can be a force up the middle. Clay Matthews is very disruptive, Woodson and Williams are pretty good. They would be licking their chops to see Stanzi.
The only way we see Stanzi is if he gets reps with the starters in practice. And then he still might not be ready.

JD10367 12-13-2011 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 8199589)
A ball hawk opportunistic, that has played an ass load of high powered offenses.

Much like the Pats, the Packers' D has also skewed the stats because their team is always in the lead, so opposing teams are always passing to try to catch up, and the D is playing softer and more prevent.

But, make no mistake about it: even on their best days, both the Pats and Packers Ds are average. Are they capable of making stops? Of course. They can stuff a 4th and 1, they can pick off a pass, they can force a fumble. But, overall, a team can move on them.

Coogs 12-13-2011 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 8199561)
I think Palko might be the exception here, and Pioli might have been like "Alright Todd, but if this is a huge epic failure, it's on you". So Todd went with Palko, he was a huge embarrassing failure of epic proportions, and Pioli said "YOU'RE ****ING FIRED TODD!!!"

Sad thing is, Palko was not a lot worse than Poili's boy Cassel. The numbers don't lie on this one.

KC-TBB 12-13-2011 11:54 AM

http://www.summit-pc.com/rob/drevil.jpg
You will play....Palco..NO WAIT...Stanzi for $1 HUNDRED Dollars..hehehehehe

Pushead2 12-13-2011 11:56 AM

Who the **** is calling the plays?? Wasn't Haley essentially calling the plays.

Rausch 12-13-2011 11:57 AM

Good.

This means he has but per' Patriots way he's not saying $3it until gameday...

ILChief 12-13-2011 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pushead2 (Post 8199638)
Who the **** is calling the plays?? Wasn't Haley essentially calling the plays.

Needs to be zorn

JD10367 12-13-2011 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 8199615)
Their defense isn't that bad.

YPG: Pack 2nd worst at 394 (Pats worst at 416).

PPG: 15th at 21.4 (Pats 14th at 21.1, BTW).

1st downs given up per game: 28th (only worse are Tampa, Oakland, Indy, and NE).

3rd down conversions given up: tied for 27th with Tennessee with 43% (only worse % are Minny, NE, SD, Indy).

Points given up this year (skewed by a few creampuffs):

Saints: 34
Panthers: 23
Bears: 17
Broncos: 23
Falcons: 14 (an actually respectable outing)
Rams: 3 (creampuff)
Vikings: 27
Chargers: 38
Vikings again: 7
Bucs: 26
Lions: 15
Giants: 35
Raiders: 16

If the Broncos can put up 23, the Vikes 27, and the Bucs 26, I don't see why the Chiefs can't. Especially because this game isn't at Lambeau. The Packers have already gone 13-0 and are heading home for the final two games, with the homefield advantage all but sewn up. The Chiefs will probably be taken lightly, given the HC firing and lack of a quality QB. If there's any time to get them, it's now.

Epic Fail 007 12-13-2011 12:07 PM

Todd was the one starting Palko,pioli did not want that.

the Talking Can 12-13-2011 12:08 PM

Crennel has said he wants to be a HC again...slice of an interview being rerun on 810...

ShowtimeSBMVP 12-13-2011 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8199691)
Crennel has said he wants to be a HC again...slice of an interview being rerun on 810...

kentbabbKent Babb

Crennel is not a slam dunk for the permanent job. He's 64 and not in great health. Right temperament, less-than-ideal time in his life.

Epic Fail 007 12-13-2011 12:10 PM

Todd was set up to fail on purpose

Bowser 12-13-2011 12:10 PM

All this Stanzi fapping is funny. If Orton can grip and throw the ball, it's going to be him under center.

Okie_Apparition 12-13-2011 12:10 PM

Orton shared the bench with Quinn last season
that will either have Crennel's throat coated with pre throw up
or wet his nickers with excitment

Amnorix 12-13-2011 12:11 PM

Stanzi or Orton is likely to start IMHO, if the book is written on Palko. Crennel isn't going to see any upside to announcing that ahead of time to give the opponent an advantage.

Rausch 12-13-2011 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eric007 (Post 8199698)
Todd was set up to fail on purpose

Him being a disagreeable douchebag was secondary...

WhiteWhale 12-13-2011 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 8199518)
Was Todd forced to play Richardson like he was forced to play Palko?


I don't buy into any of the above, I think Todd played who he wanted to and wasn't going to be bullied into playing anyone he didn't want to play.

Who is the other RT on our roster?

Gaither refused to play RT in Baltimore and they cut him... what makes everyone think he was willing to play RT here?

Chief Roundup 12-13-2011 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 8199677)
YPG: Pack 2nd worst at 394 (Pats worst at 416).

PPG: 15th at 21.4 (Pats 14th at 21.1, BTW).

1st downs given up per game: 28th (only worse are Tampa, Oakland, Indy, and NE).

3rd down conversions given up: tied for 27th with Tennessee with 43% (only worse % are Minny, NE, SD, Indy).

Points given up this year (skewed by a few creampuffs):

Saints: 34
Panthers: 23
Bears: 17
Broncos: 23
Falcons: 14 (an actually respectable outing)
Rams: 3 (creampuff)
Vikings: 27
Chargers: 38
Vikings again: 7
Bucs: 26
Lions: 15
Giants: 35
Raiders: 16

If the Broncos can put up 23, the Vikes 27, and the Bucs 26, I don't see why the Chiefs can't. Especially because this game isn't at Lambeau. The Packers have already gone 13-0 and are heading home for the final two games, with the homefield advantage all but sewn up. The Chiefs will probably be taken lightly, given the HC firing and lack of a quality QB. If there's any time to get them, it's now.

I agree with most of what you are saying. But those numbers reflect an offense that gets up on people quick and scores quick so the defense is on the field a lot. I think they are better than the numbers show.

Epic Fail 007 12-13-2011 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 8199704)
Him being a disagreeable douchebag was secondary...

yes

DaWolf 12-13-2011 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8199695)
kentbabbKent Babb

Crennel is not a slam dunk for the permanent job. He's 64 and not in great health. Right temperament, less-than-ideal time in his life.

With all this smoke around McDaniels (He seems to be to Pioli what Francoeur is to Moore) would anyone really be shocked if the plan was to transition McDaniels in (knowing that he's unsellable as a HC) by hiring Crennel for the short term, handing the offense over to McD, and then once Romeo is done, slide McD into the HC role?

FAX 12-13-2011 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 8199722)
With all this smoke around McDaniels (He seems to be to Pioli what Francoeur is to Moore) would anyone really be shocked if the plan was to transition McDaniels in (knowing that he's unsellable as a HC) by hiring Crennel for the short term, handing the offense over to McD, and then once Romeo is done, slide McD into the HC role?

Sounds nefarious enough.

FAX

FAX 12-13-2011 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC-TBB (Post 8199632)
http://www.summit-pc.com/rob/drevil.jpg
You will play....Palco..NO WAIT...Stanzi for $1 HUNDRED Dollars..hehehehehe

ROFL

FAX

WhiteWhale 12-13-2011 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 8199722)
With all this smoke around McDaniels (He seems to be to Pioli what Francoeur is to Moore) would anyone really be shocked if the plan was to transition McDaniels in (knowing that he's unsellable as a HC) by hiring Crennel for the short term, handing the offense over to McD, and then once Romeo is done, slide McD into the HC role?

What?

No. I don't think pioli gives two shits what fans want. He'll bring in McDaniels and tell fans to suck it. He's been setting the table for the guy ever since he got fired in Denver.

Pioli is a snake man.

FAX 12-13-2011 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 8199741)
What?

No. I don't think pioli gives two shits what fans want. He'll bring in McDaniels and tell fans to suck it. He's been setting the table for the guy ever since he got fired in Denver.

Pioli is a snake man.

We have to figure out what his master scheme is, though. So we can, you know, blow up his facility and stuff.

I wonder what his escape plan is? Rocket? Laser Shark with Saddle? Prostitute Disguise?

FAX

BoneKrusher 12-13-2011 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8199508)
Stanzi will start.

something Haley should've done weeks ago.

ILChief 12-13-2011 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 8199741)
What?

No. I don't think pioli gives two shits what fans want. He'll bring in McDaniels and tell fans to suck it. He's been setting the table for the guy ever since he got fired in Denver.

Pioli is a snake man.

Then why didn't he just hire McD in the first place?

Otter 12-13-2011 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8199749)
We have to figure out what his master scheme is, though. So we can, you know, blow up his facility and stuff.

I wonder what his escape plan is? Rocket? Laser Shark with Saddle? Prostitute Disguise?

FAX

Scott & Todd practicing the escape plan...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__FB9waRXJB...ddangerous.jpg

Chief Roundup 12-13-2011 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 8199722)
With all this smoke around McDaniels (He seems to be to Pioli what Francoeur is to Moore) would anyone really be shocked if the plan was to transition McDaniels in (knowing that he's unsellable as a HC) by hiring Crennel for the short term, handing the offense over to McD, and then once Romeo is done, slide McD into the HC role?

Are you saying that Romeo keeps the job for a year or so and then McDaniels?

1ChiefsDan 12-13-2011 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8199514)
ROFL

Damn. The truth can be so funny.

FAX

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8199528)
He totally does, man.

FAX

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8199531)
Yep. He knew it was over weeks ago.

Pioli was looking down at him as he is want to do.

FAX

who hacked MR. Fax's account??

Mr. Laz 12-13-2011 12:48 PM

poor Todd ... i wonder how long it will take him to recover.

Mr. Laz 12-13-2011 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denverdanchiefsfan (Post 8199810)
who hacked MR. Fax's account??

nobody ... he's lost his dam mind about this Haley thing.

Coogs 12-13-2011 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 8199741)
I don't think pioli gives two shits what fans want.

I read yesterday where Clark also said he doesn't pay any attention to the fans.

They both really should, because bottom line is they are trying to sell their product to the fans. And right now, the fans don't seem to be buying what they are selling.

Chiefnj2 12-13-2011 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 8199837)

They both really should, because bottom line is they are trying to sell their product to the fans. And right now, the fans don't seem to be buying what they are selling.

It doesn't trickle down to Clark since Pioli is saving him so much in unspent cap room.

Fritz88 12-13-2011 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 8199701)
Stanzi or Orton is likely to start IMHO, if the book is written on Palko. Crennel isn't going to see any upside to announcing that ahead of time to give the opponent an advantage.

What advantage?

Defenses don't plan for Palko. They just line up and laugh.

dirk digler 12-13-2011 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8199691)
Crennel has said he wants to be a HC again...slice of an interview being rerun on 810...

Interesting. I was reading over at ArrowheadPride this morning a story where it said he wasn't all that interested in the interim job.

Quote:

It's been reported he didn't even initially want to be the interim head coach for the Chiefs prior to Haley's departure...

boogblaster 12-13-2011 12:59 PM

ima afraid they just line up and laugh period .....

Rausch 12-13-2011 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8199852)
It doesn't trickle down to Clark since Pioli is saving him so much in unspent cap room.

It doesn't trickle down to clark because he could snort gold dust off the asses of hookers 8 days a week while out-spending the Redskins on free agent signings and still have enough people hired to never know what his own electric bill comes to...

Coogs 12-13-2011 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 8199857)
What advantage?

Defenses don't plan for Palko. They just line up and laugh.

13-28 for 93 yards against a 3 win team at the time. Not exactly a line that would make DC's quake in their boots either.

And that is really not an outlier sample either.

Rausch 12-13-2011 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boogblaster (Post 8199866)
ima afraid they just line up and laugh period .....

Only at you...

Chiefnj2 12-13-2011 01:06 PM

What are the odds Romeo goes unshaven and wears women's pink KC plush fleece on the sideline?

FAX 12-13-2011 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denverdanchiefsfan (Post 8199810)
who hacked MR. Fax's account??

I has snapped, Mr. denverdanchiefsfan.

Too much excitement.

FAX

Frosty 12-13-2011 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 8199710)
Who is the other RT on our roster?

Gaither refused to play RT in Baltimore and they cut him... what makes everyone think he was willing to play RT here?

Speaking of Gaither, I was arguing with someone about him off the forum and they claimed Gaither played some snaps at RT when BR was dinged.

I remember Gaither filling in for Albert a couple of times at LT and also taking some snaps as an extra tackle in short yardage situations but I don't remember him taking a snap at RT, even in the preseason. Does anyone know when Gaither took some snaps at RT?

FAX 12-13-2011 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 8199916)
Speaking of Gaither, I was arguing with someone about him off the forum and they claimed Gaither played some snaps at RT when BR was dinged.

I remember Gaither filling in for Albert a couple of times at LT and also taking some snaps as an extra tackle in short yardage situations but I don't remember him taking a snap at RT, even in the preseason. Does anyone know when Gaither took some snaps at RT?

I think he did.

FAX

Sofa King 12-13-2011 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 8199916)
Speaking of Gaither, I was arguing with someone about him off the forum and they claimed Gaither played some snaps at RT when BR was dinged.

I remember Gaither filling in for Albert a couple of times at LT and also taking some snaps as an extra tackle in short yardage situations but I don't remember him taking a snap at RT, even in the preseason. Does anyone know when Gaither took some snaps at RT?

Yes he did.

htismaqe 12-13-2011 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 8199775)
Then why didn't he just hire McD in the first place?

McDaniels was already wrecking the Broncos.

BossChief 12-13-2011 01:37 PM

Pioli had no desire to hire McD, if he did he would have been hired on in 2009.

He had Haley targeted from the start.

MoreLemonPledge 12-13-2011 01:38 PM

Does Romeo Crennel prefer Gates or Arthur Bryant's?


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