I owe Kyle Orton an apology...
 

and quite a few people here should be doling them out as well... :)

Leonard Pope? Big catches. Barry Richardson? Nice job.

Same cast of characters, same playcalling (McCluster up the middle, anyone?)...

Yet Orton has 300 yards passing in a game where we led the entire way.

Yeah, I wanted to see Stanzi play and I still do.

But thank you Kyle Orton for making it ABUNDANTLY clear how much of a waste Matt Cassel is...

Now you went too far.

Hence, why I stated that signing Orton could signal the end of the Cassel era in KC.

It was refreshing to see decent QB play. Looking off defenders, 2nd and 3rd options.......decisive, quick release......good job Orton, you made Richardson look outstanding today.

Cassel just sucks that bad
~everyone but Pioli knows this now

299 yards is like two and a half games for Cassel. Get him off the roster.

Orton and the entire team (except for short yardage OL run game) did a very good job. Just remember the old adage - don't get too excited over any 1 game, and don't get too down over any 1 game.

But he can only play well with McDaniels as his coach.

SenselessChiefsfan says so.

Only McDaniels has the magic touch.

KnowMo was right all along about the guy :):):):):):):):)

What pisses me off is Haley running Palko out there for 4 games out of spite.

So do I. I have never liked him and was pretty peeved when they picked him up. Great first game. Let's see if he can overcome his 'moody' reputation and become a good consistent solid QB which has eluded him to date. I remain skeptical but for today, I'm convinced.

Thought we could, then thought we couldn't. Orton makes a big diff, and the absence of a loose cannon HC that micromanaged and hamstrung the offense.

What sucks is if KC wins the rest of the games this year, goes into the pre-season and Orton is clearly the better player than Cassel in pre[season and they STILL play Cassel.

lol We just now know without any doubt at all that Cassel was the problem. Im not sure everyone was 100 percent convinced on that, but now there should be no doubt.

he was sucking for luck, or Griffin

Let's see if you'll realize that Haley wasn't the big problem.

we were down 7-6

Orton can sling it around. I forget the exact stat... but when we claimed him they had a stat on ESPN about how Orton was literally one of the league's top QBs throwing beyond 15 yards.

The flipside is he forces things sometimes, and he struggles in the red zone sometimes as well. But he absolutely can make all the NFL throws, and I'm not sure he's ever played with a group of WRs this talented.

Shocker, TW tries to make another thread about his pretend genius.

You're right 99 times out of 100. Congrats on that 1%

He is the 1%.

What we saw today is that even just a mediocre QB who can make reads and deliver the ball accurately and on time, and whose arm strength has to be respected by the defense, can improve the play of those around him.

Except in short yardage situations, the OL opened holes for the running game, and in pass protect, Orton had all day to throw.

And these receivers caught damn near everything.

Imagine what it would be like with a better than mediocre QB.

He was the big problem. He was NOT, however, the ONLY problem.

Orton can stay in KC as long as he wants, IMO. Remember this... he is playing with a ****ed up throwing hand!

I was very impressed with him. Great game. It is only ONE game, but I was NEVER this encouraged with Casshole.

Of course. Same everything. I mean, other than the head coach, but that made no difference.

I will say that Orton played well. And, I am glad the Chiefs have more options at QB going into next year.

But, to say the situation is the same is foolish.

LMAO ROFL

Haley's a ****ing coach. He can only do so much with the talent he is given. He isn't Tim Tebow who can part the red ****ing sea.

Pioli didn't supply him with a QB capable of winning consistently in the NFL.

Amen brother. If Orton plays, we beat the Steelers, and who knows what else happens from there? Haley completely ****ed the entire season beyond all hope with his playing of Palko.

So, basically, Orton was similar to Trent Green?

Orton played a great game no doubt but let's remember they were playing one if not the worst D in the NFL. Let's see what he does the next couple of weeks.

After watching a competent QB like Orton, not only is Cassel not a legit starter, he isn't even a good backup QB.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. No surprise.

Are you serious?

This.

Orton was still 0- whatever in the red zone...

ROFL

You just can't handle the truth, can you?

The simple fact is that if Haley wasn't such a baby, intent on spiting Pioli by starting Palko, this argument would have been over 3 weeks ago.

You should thank Haley because he gave you an extra 3 games to wiggle your way out of your ridiculous defenses of Cassel.

Instead you choose to die on that hill. Good luck with that.

As long as we draft a QBotf and have an open fair compitition going into the next season I'm ok with it. I would have much rather seen Stanzi play but that's not looking like it will happen this season.

Yea for the victory and us not sucking today.

Do you HONESTLY think we arrive at a scenario where we have 4 yards of offense in a half and the coach gets fired if we didn't already suffer through 2 seasons of Matt Cassel?

Get ****ing real. Cassel has been THE issue with this team since the first time he suited up.

When has Cassel played a good game without Jamaal Charles, even against poor defenses?

In defense of the receivers, they are not use to having the ball thrown to them down there. Caught them totally off guard. [/sarcasm off]

WOW
Orton was magicly healthy & Haley didn't start him out of spite
Did not know that

:clap: Nice post!

Orton was a HUGE upgrade. I never thought I would say that about him in his career. LMAO

Don't know don't care Cassel sucks and should be gone. I am just not ready to heap alot of praise on Orton when they were playing a pretty bad D.

@SD
Minnesota
@Indy.

All better games this year, without Charles and saddled with Haley on the sideline.

Orton didn't throw a TD.

But, don't let the facts get in the way of anyones opinion.

The screens, reverse to Breston, and sweeps were rarely seen under Haley. More importantly, the plays were in to the QB in time for him to get on the line and make adjustments, the plays that were called were not entirely predictable (throwing on 1st down, going for long ball on 2nd and short*, sweep on middle distance).

*long pass play possible w/ a QB who can throw for 20+ yards.

As much as I hate 'THIS!' posts, um, well, 'THIS!'

It will be interesting to see how he fares against the Broncos and Raiders.

Orton has a real chance to make a great impression on Chiefs fans. He got to go against the Packers weak defense. Then, he will get to go against two teams he should know very, very well.

The Colts have one win.
Minnesota has 2 wins.
San Diego is under .500.

You're insane if you claim Cassel's game against SD was better than Orton today. Insane.

Oh, those things don't matter. Come on man. It was all Cassel. The fact that they called a better game and got the plays in on time.... no impact on the game.

I somewhat agree, but none the less... Packers score and go up 7-6. Penalty on the kickoff pins us at the 10. Before today, that is probably game over, especially against a good team. Orton leads us down the field to reclaim the lead at 9-6. Huge series! :clap:

I'll take 299 yards, no TD's and a win over 103 yards, 3 TD's and a loss...

eh, that probably doesn't make my point. The point being that the receivers jobs were made easier and YAC wasn't as much of a REQUIREMENT that it is when the pass leaves Cassel's hands...

Yes. Just pointing out games that Cassel had against similar defenses.

If Orton plays out the rest of the season like he did today, he deserves the starting job hands down with no concern for "competition". I wasn't an Orton supporter but after not having a real quarterback in this offense since Trent Green, the potential of this team looks completely different with him in there. I believe a win like this could absolutely bond players with coach, with quarterback. If he continues like he did today, we should not draft a QB first round, he shouldn't have to look over his shoulder. The job should be completely his. If a highly ranked qb falls to a lower round, that's different.

Get this through your head.

Cassel is, has and will always be shit.

There aren't a lot of places where he'd be such an enormous upgrade.

What?

We've setup that reverse MULTIPLE times this season. That misdirection play has been in this offense since the day Haley arrived.

Do you guys even watch the games?

I guess the delayed draw to McCluster up the middle was new too right?

I was at the Minnesota game and watched every play.

You have no idea what you're talking about. None.

I agree and I am not trying to take away anything from Orton he played a ****ing great game today. I think it is now obvious the main problems with this team is\was Cassel and Haley

Triple Dog This!

Once the receivers adjust to having someone competent of running an NFL offense, you'll see more TDs. You have to walk before you run, but today was on hell of a great start! I'll enjoy the win today, and we'll see how things play out next week.

But for now..... :toast:

It's the same offense. They didn't change the offense.

And they've been getting the plays in on time since the FIRST TIME Palko started.

You only see what you want to see, it's pretty clear.

Only senseless Chiefs fan would point to a game where Cassel led to us 30 yards of offense in one half as a good one (@SD).

Execution trumps playcalling everytime. Play calling is too often blamed by fans.

Orton did a very good job given the short time that he had to work with this team.

I really don't want to take away from what he did. Congrats to Orton.

This.

This x100.

Once again, perception isn't reality. It happens a lot around here.

Like Winston Wolf said, "Let's not start sucking each other's dicks just yet."

Isn't Cassel the worst rated qb in the NFl over the last 3 years who has thrown more than 1000 passes?

OK, so you're basically calling me a liar.

Got it.

You are a ****ing dumbass. Cassel sucks.

There was still some shitty play selections.

If you cannot tell that Orton was better than Cassel in every way, then you are just plain dumb.

They had to have changed some of the offense we never ran that many deep routes before today :D

STFU

We are arguing Orton vs Cassel, dumbass.

Orton played a great game and is clearly an upgrade over Cassel. But the biggest difference out there today was the way the offense was set up. We ran screens with O-linemen lead blocking against blitzes, giving our guys space 4 times today (three of them were successful). We haven't done that ALL YEAR. Not once, did we throw a shitty bobble screen to a wr, and just hope that the slot could make a block against a corner in press coverage. We only threw the wr screen twice, but NEVER relied on that low percentage block. We just took it when their guys were playing off. We also better utilized our TEs and got them up the seems against zone defenses and used the deep middle part of the field. By doing so, we were able to neutralize the opponents blitzes and make them play honestly (instead of going max protect and trying to BLOCK 7 and 8 man blitzes). our offensive line ran TRAPS today, on a lot of runs that weren't counters. We also actually PITCHED the ball a few times, instead of just running stretches, which gave our running backs a chance to use efficient footwork to catch the corner, instead of making them footRACE to the sideline. This offense looked like a professional offense, not just in execution but in preparation and style. It's VERY clear that Haley's system of offense was dragging everybody down, and now that the cancer has been removed, we can start actually evaluating what we have.

I am not putting my trust in Kyle Orton until I see what he does next year. Having him start the last 3 games of this season isn't enough for me to make a judgment call on whether or not he can spark a fire into the Chiefs' offense. Remember how excited many of us were when Dick Vermeil became the Head Coach during the first half of the last decade, and then were bummed when we only made it to the playoffs once in the 5 years he was with us? Don't cross your fingers just yet.

LMAO

I wish Haley was still here, so that we could actually judge Orton in the same situation.

I have said ALL along, for a long time, that Cassel is average, Haley makes him and the entire offense less than average.

Either way, Crennel got more out of this team than Haley did all season.

I wanted Haley gone. I am fine with Cassel leaving. I just don't think that Orton is any better.

You said he couldn't replicate what he did in Denver without McDaniels.

Today he played EXACTLY like he did in Denver last season.

His numbers in those games are comparable, but he was crap in the first half against both Indy, the worst team in the league, and against Minnesota.

He threw for more TDs, but most were the result of the receivers making great efforts on YAC.

One was piss poor throw that Bowe made a play on and ran through the defense.

Orton's throws were delivered accurately and on time.

Not once has Cassel been able to do that.

Senseless Chiefs fan is ****ing senseless

All good points.

I agree with pretty much everything you said here except your last sentence. Orton is so much better than Cassel it is not even close