In big win, Chiefs find a leader in Romeo Crennel
 

This is dangerous. Chiefs players are lobbying openly for Crennel to get the job.

64-year old interim head coaches don't win shit in this league.

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/12/18...-a-leader.html

Stupid idiots. I am sure Haley makes everyone around him hate themselves. Yesterday, the sidelines were different. Crennel is lovable. Haley is a ****.

But to lobby for Romeo after one win. No.
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Ouch. Haley can go eat a dick.
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**** him.
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The Chiefs once lobbied openly for Frank Gansz to be their head coach.

Worked out well.

I'm pretty sure that if it came down between him and Mcdaniels, many here would prefer Romeo.

Let's face it, Romeo may be the best candidate from the Pioli's available options.

Cool article. I'll be interested to see where the next two weeks take us. I love Crennel right now, would love to see him as HC, but he has to keep the production up.

Most of the players listed in that article won't be back next year anyway.

Yep. That was the year after John Makovic took them to their first playoff appearance in I can't remember how many years. Then was promptly fired after a first round loss and replaced by Gansz. That didn't work out so well.

They absolutely did not. Lamar Hunt met in secret with 8 players at Nick Lowery's house. Gansz was given the job just in time for the strike of 1987 and was saddled with most of Mackovic's assistants who were disloyal and downright underhanded. He also had an awful front office led by GM Jim Schaaf, a baseball man who somehow managed to work his way up through the ranks of the Chiefs organization in the 70's. Injuries, bad personnel decisions, the strike, and being thrown under the bus by a former assistant ruined Gansz's 2-year campaign as a Skipper. After a 4-win 1988, Carl Peterson sent him packing as his first power move after being handed the reins by Lamar.

Even if you construe that to be "openly lobbying", it doesn't have a single thing to do with Crennel. Gansz was an amazing coach and there really aren't many people who would say otherwise. You can't look at his W/L record under Schaaf and the many other circumstances which permeated his time in KC and say "look how that turned out" as though he were a Herm Edwards, Paul Wiggin, or Todd Haley.

meaning "thou shall have worshiped Bill B like me..."

Sure it does.

Players don't always know what's best for them.

The Chiefs loved Herm when he was here, too. Worked out well.

If we hire Crennel as HC it will be a complete waste of everyone's time.

Agree.

Who except the jilted fans of the Chiefs and Jets doesn't like Herm? He's a likable, charismatic guy who says things people like to hear. He's like the black Dick Vermeil.

Not sure how you can say this with such certainty at this point.

You're referencing past events as though what happened then will most definitely repeat itself now even though the circumstances are completely different. You seem to dislike Crennel because he's old. Which is ridiculous because I could point out that Dick Vermeil won a SuperBowl when he was older than Romeo. But I recognize that there are really no parallels between Dick Vermeil and Romeo Crennel other than age. In short, you don't know jack but you run around here talking out your ass as if you're some kind of expert on all things Chiefs and the NFL. You're basically Mecca without the mullet.

Find me a 64-year old interim head coach who went on to win a SB.

If Crennel is our HC and actually wins a SB here it will shock everyone in the NFL. It would be unprecedented.

Sorry for being concerned when 50 years of NFL history says this won't work out.

And FYI, Dick was younger than Romeo when he won it.

Something happens in the NFL that has never happened before every season.

50 years of NFL history says that a QB won't throw a TD in 41 consecutive games either. 50 years of NFL history says that nobody will touch Tom Dempsey's 63 yard FG.
Weeb Ewbank, Tom Coughlin, and Dick Vermeil all won SuperBowls in their 60's. Dick was 63ish when he won it with the Rams.

I'm not even certain I want Crennel coaching the Chiefs in 2012 yet but your thought process is ridiculous.

Was thinking bout this today. Haley, wet behind the ears. No street cred. Saw the lil man (Pioli) during the Hunt and Poili presser (Poili looked whipped). Romeo told Poili who was gonna start at QB (no lap dog).

Romeo has been there done that, as a head coach (his record wasnt great...nor were his QB's).

The key here is that Romeo is older then the youngster (Pioli), has respect from his players (Haley didnt) and which other Head Coach prospect would you rather have (other the Fisher)?

Point is, Romeo has had a QB contriversy, has the backing of the team, Pioli will HAVE to listen to the Head Coach due to his age and experience (street cred).

It all, as we saw, comes down to Clark.

You're comparing apples to oranges. Individual records are bound to fall.

You can bring up other old head coaches but that's not really an argument for Romeo. All those guys were proven head coaches.

That's what you did when you compared the current situation to what happened with Gantz and the players 25 years ago.

The defensive players openly campaigned for Gunther. We saw how that worked out.

IM very weary of Romeo. I like the guy, but hes old and dude basically did nothing in Cleveland. Even Bellichek had 1 decent season with a playoff win in Cleveland. IM fearful that all this is is a Post Haley hangover bump.......

Find me a team with a first time starting QB with the team for a month and a freshly hired interim head coach that goes on to beat the defending super bowl champs currently undefeated.

More WPI junk.

Uh. No. Star link. Star product.

My bad LoL

“Everything was different,” McClain said of the past week. “More meeting time. More football time. Learning your opponent better, understanding your opponent. I know I watched more film this week than I watched all year. Everything was different, man. Good different.”

What was Haley doing all year with the team? Were they still on their preseason schedule?

His age shouldn't be a problem. Marv Levy went to the SB 4 times at Crennel's age. I wouldn't worry about it. Young kids like you don't realize that 64 isn't that old these days.

it seems Haley was busy figuring out ways to screw Pioli..

I'm all in for Romeo getting the job. And not just because they won yesterday. I think he would make a great head coach for this team, and who gives a damn what happened in Cleveland.

It beats the hell out of McDaniels, who is ruining the Rams worse than he ruined Denver. And it's not like Jeff Fischer has ever won a damn thing either.

and we must keep in mind Bill Billichick didnt succeed in Cleveland his first try as a HC.

Keep moving the goalposts, Clay. You told me to find old SuperBowl winning coaches. I gave you three. But that doesn't meet with your agenda so it's not good enough. Do you even realize you do that? It's like debating with a teenager.

Herm said this morning that he thinks Romeo already has the job sewn up.

The Chiefs need to re-sign Bowe - what if Bowe really wants Romeo?

It's a horrible situation to be in. All the more reason to not make hasty changes in the middle of a lost season. Now you might be stuck with a guy that's not your first choice.

They were lifting weights. Haley was WAY too pre-occupied with weight/fitness...

Lets see if Romeo can keep them focused after a big win. One of Haley's biggest problems was lack of consistency.

I can't say how much I would love it if the West came down to the final game against Denver.

This. Getting the players fired up for the defending SB champs, a new coach and QB is one thing. Keeping them playing at a high level through a couple weeks of Division opponents is another. If Crennel can keep them playing at the same level for the next two weeks, paint his name on the HC parking spot.

That's what I'm saying. This is a three week audition. Once the season is over, you take a look at how the team performed with Romeo, and you go from there. I'm not saying crown him now, but two more weeks like this and I'd say hell yeah.

I put at least a LITTLE bit less credence behind an offseason campaign than a beat the SB champs campaign.

I don't know why you'd put any in either.

You don't let a WR dictate coaching hires. C'mon, man.

I didn't say *I* would. I'm merely asking the question.

Pioli put himself in a very, very bad situation. His interim coach just beat the undefeated SB champs.

If he wins 1 - or God forbid, BOTH - of the last 2, it doesn't matter who Pioli wants as HC. If he doesn't keep Crennel, there's going to be acrimony amongst both the players AND the fans.

This all falls on Pioli, from the day he hired Haley in the first place.

This. This exactly.

Very solid points!!

The Haley hire was a mistake, done very late in the game, so to speak. If he really turned out to hate him, but then couldn't fire him cause of our mirage of an AFC West Title season, then yet again he's put himself in a no-win situation, dicatated FOR him. I think at this point, he's gotta be prayin Romeo get this team to perform as well these last 2 weeks to justify hiring him, or an epic fail to justify not. Anything in between, and he may be writing his own farewell legacy.

LMAO

If he gets hired....then he better bring in a capable OC and a young DC to learn from him. And I don't ****ing mean Josh McDaniels either.

I think there's at least some validity to the idea that Crennel was brought here in case this type of scenario were to occur. In other words, he was going to be the HC at some point, regardless.

I would probably agree with Herm here. The reason I say this is because if you look how Romeo was talking about the QB change to Orton and how if Orton continues to play good it could be permanent. He is talking like he will be the one making the call next year. If it isn't the case it seems like he is acting very much like it will be.

This. Very much this.

Although you forgot to mention QB, but i think that's a given.

Crennel probably told Pioli that when he was brought in. He wasn't going to accept the DC job unless he would get a shot at the HC job down the line.

Sweet Chocolate Jesus, this! One hundred times this.

degrees of credence =! dispositive.

You know, for a guy who seems to constantly decry 'binary thinking' you offer very little regarding building a successful franchise beyond 'suck as hard as you can for a year and grab the best college QB in the draft, rinse and repeat until it sticks.'

It may be contrary to Chiefs history, giving you a patina of indie cred, but it's as simplistic as any other autodidact on here.

And I'm not lobbying for Crennel to get the job either. I'd rather have someone from outside the tree. But after this week....it's almost a foregone conclusion that RAC gets the job. There are a few things (which I've stated above) that will need to happen.

1. Hire a capable OC (not McDaniels)
2. Hire a young up and coming DC.
3. Draft a QB in the 1st round next year.
4. Cut Matt Cassel.
5. Re-sign Orton. (optional)

No, I didn't.

Here is what I said:

Doesn't exist.

You can find a few guys who were already on staff and promoted to HC after the previous HC left (John Madden, George Seifert), but they were ALL under 50.

There's 0 reason to believe Crennel could win a Super Bowl here as HC.

And we haven't even discussed the worst part of hiring Crennel - we'll need a NEW head coach in four, maybe five years MAX when he retires.

Bad ****ing idea.

In Romeo's first conference, he says that a new HC has to be able to hire his own coaches.

If RAC gets the job and Pioli forces McDainles on him, we have a problem.

KEEP ROMEO

There's zero reason to believe anybody but Hank Stram will win a superbowl in KC because that's what 50 years of NFL history has taught us. Somebody get to work raising that man from the dead.

unless there are no attractive candidates this year to choose from, I don't see any worth going against the grain of the team at the moment.

Someone will develope / surface of the course of the next couple of years if not within this organization. You know Pioli / Clark would concern themselves with the same issue.

This young team has seen considerable change, maybe Romeo is stability if just for the time being.

If they bring Cassel back and don't get a real QB, we'll need a new HC AND a new GM in TWO.

Yep.

If Crennel is hired and we don't bring in a young QB we're just waiting for these clowns to get fired.

Waste of time.

I don't understand connecting McDaniels as the OC
to me he is Todd Haley

It just so happens that it is more complex than that, but you're being reductive for the sake of rhetoric.

You can't win in the NFL without a top shelf quarterback anymore. That's the foundation of the house. What you want to do with the framing, interior walls, plumbing, wiring, etc, leaves a world of possible different directions (3-4, 4-3, Cover 2, Coryell, WCO, Earhardt, etc.), but without a QB in this league, you're building on a sinkhole.

With regard to your initial statement, I still don't see why it is of any concern. Players have long proven to be terrible evaluators of coaches, this team specifically. If we are to adopt one of your statements from some days past, much like a player who would quit because of a losing environment, a player that would quit or not give their full effort because of a coaching hire isn't a player worth having at all.

I think pretty much everybody wants a top shelf QB.

Which makes me wonder where the false binary is kicking in. You get a FA QB like Drew Brees, what, maybe once every 5-10 years? So if you can't procure him through that method, it's going to have to be the draft. Then, it's all about negotiating the supply vs. the demand.

Low supply of QBs this year, high demand=need for a high pick.

There was a higher demand last year, lower in 2009.

It's not just "you either hope the team gets the highest pick possible" or not, it's realizing when certain battles, like this season, are lost, and doing the best with what you have, hoping the team develops while also putting themselves in the best long-term position.

IMO after thinking about it for some time, I believe Romeo needs to stay as HC in 2012.

The players obviously like him, A LOT. They believe in him. He knows how to motivate them, and he has them believing in themselves.

If Romeo doesn't keep the HC job, the players will be distraught. Romeo will be frustrated (as he has stated, he wants to be a HC again).

The new HC might not want to keep Romeo around. And the LAST thing we need to happen, is to have Romeo leave the Chiefs. We finally have a pretty damn good defense (without a pro bowl safety btw).

If Romeo leaves, the key players of our foundation will not be happy. The defensive players are in love with him.

But at the end, my main point is that we can't afford to lose Crennel.

We can get away with keeping Crennel as HC, as long as we hire a real OC, and let him pick his own staff. He would likely either promote a guy currently on staff to be the new DC, or he could find his own guy who believes in the same philosophy. But I would actually be ok with Crennel continuing to run the defense on gameday as long as we fix the OC...And of course we need a QB.

:rolleyes:

They'll get over it.

The last thing we need at this point is a short-term HC.

The only thing I would say to this is that Gun and Gantz had never been head coaches before where Crennel would be on his second run. He is a smart man maybe he learned a lot and would be better the second go around or not.

The funny thing is, at the beginning of the game I must have sarcastically remarked about how "well coached" we were about 4 different times: 12 men on the field x 3?, terrible challenge, ultra-conservative plays, etc.

Wins make for good deodorant.

If he works out well, then he wont be a short term HC.

I know you like Fisher because he is the picture of continuity and consistency, but why would he want to continue to run a 3-4? The 3-4 is just now starting to work well for us, so it would not be a good thing to switch it up now.

Yes, he could coach well into his 70s. LMAO

Dude will retire within 3, 4, maybe 5 years. He will be 65 in June.

I'm sure he would be a hot head-coaching commodity if he wasn't under contract with the Chiefs, though.

McCarthy was out coached

How?

The biggest factor in the game was most likely all the drops by Green Bay's receivers.

I guess I've never understood the whole age thing with coaches.

If a guy still has a real passion for coaching, and for reaching the ultimate goal, then it shouldn't matter what his age is.

Coaching isn't a physical job, it's a mental job. I don't see why it matters whether he's 50 or 70.

I am not in the keep Orton long term bandwagon, period. Keep him and draft a QB maybe but if we draft a guy may as well play him.

But he was the deodorant, he was the only difference that I saw from a team standpoint.

It just shows how bad Pioli is at QB evaluation which does not bode well for the future.

No question that there was a stark difference with Orton. He was composed, didn't look at the rush, and went through progressions.

Essentially, he was everything Cassel isn't, but that doesn't mean that he's the answer either. Just accentuates the Cassel suck.

He had no answer for our offense or defense. He was out-schemed and out coached

The vast majority of Super Bowls are won by coaches under the age of 60.

If Romeo shocked the world here and won a SB he would literally be the oldest SB winning coach EVER.

Quite frankly, Romeo has a ton of rings and is fat as hell. How do we even know he's not just looking for another fat paycheck before he retires?

I agree, because McCarty couldn't adjust his offensive gameplan. GB could have ran it on us, but they chose to come out passing heavy. If they had just mixed the run with the pass, it would have kept our defense off balance.

But really we knew what they were going to be doing every play, therefore it was easy to just tee off, and get pressure on Rodgers. That's just 1 factor of how McCarthy was out coached.

I disagree. I think our players out executed Green Bay's.

If their receivers hold on to 6 or 7 dropped passes it's a different game.

The GB drops are being given too much credence.

The Chiefs flat out outplayed GB.

KC still had coaching issues especially on ST and goal line situations.

Yea we won but we should have been up way more than we were and it shouldn't have been as close in the 4th quarter.Not complaining just pointing out what I was thinking during the game.

I am curious to see how the next 2 weeks go because Orton basically played one of his best games setting a career completion % high.

What are the odds he keep it up? I guess we shall see.