Shockey rips Texans for lack of national anthem etiquette
 

http://www.chron.com/sports/article/...te-2410816.php



HOUSTON (AP) — Carolina Panthers tight end Jeremy Shockey criticized members of the Houston Texans for not putting their hands over their hearts during the national anthem.

Shockey says he saw "about 10 players" who didn't do the traditional gesture when the anthem is played, and he told some of them how he felt during Carolina's 28-13 victory.

"I was pretty upset in the way they weren't showing respect to America during the national anthem," Shockey said. "This is America and you should at least give respect to America."

Shockey's statements didn't make their way back to the Texans' locker room before it closed, and the team had no comment. Shockey's rant came in response to a reporter's question about the Texans' defense.

"This is America and this is just a game and they should not only be very proud of this country, but very gifted to be living here," Shockey said. "Maybe they just forgot to do it or something, but I don't see how you could forget to do that."

Shockey sports a red, white and blue tattoo on his right biceps portraying a bald eagle draped in an American flag. He caught a 9-yard touchdown pass from Cam Newton in Sunday's game, then pointed at linebacker DeMeco Ryans and appeared to yell at him and cornerback Jason Allen.

I don't put my hand over my heart during the anthem. Never have, never will.

I take off my hat and stand but that's it.

And I'm awesome so Shockey is obviously wrong.

This is 'Merica.

We're going to send a bunch of New Jersey Chiefs fans to your house to beat you up.

Stanzi to Shockey over the middle, the apple pie formation.

Why?

I'm sure he has some super awesome reason.

"This is America so do what I think you should be doing, you suma bitch."

Not that I disagree with him, however, the great thing about America is freedom. I'm thinking they had the freedom to not stand in the traditional pose.

What a dumbass.

Lazy or a Communist.

It's not just at the Texans' stadium.

hashtag: It's the home of the BRAVE

/flamesuit

Because he's a non-appreciative douche?

However, at least he claims to take his hat off. Seems like every time I attend a game less and less people bother to do even that. ****ing punks.

Shockey's flag tattoo offends me (not really, but there are some who would say that it's not appropriately respectful of the flag).

According to the "official" rules, his tatoo is wholly inappropriate.

Ironically, I'm doing a lesson on flag protocol with our cub scout den this evening, so I spent a bit this morning researching it online. I didn't actually find an official policy on tattoos, but the flag is not supposed to be on clothing.

Good point.

http://image.shutterstock.com/displa...m-14333026.jpg

Two things about this:

1) The Players are representatives of their teams and if the team mandates this kind of thing, fine.

2) If you don't want to put your hand of your heart, I don't see a problem with that. Isn't that why America is so great, the whole "feedom" thing that we lose more of everyday?

Jeremy Shockey is still in the league?

Some would probably argue against, but the flag is not to be worn as decoration or as part of a "costume" - a person's skin really isn't any different than a T-shirt in that sense.

It's ironic that displaying the flag in a horizontal fashion, the way they do with the massive flags at football games, is also contrary to the Flag code.

The flag code specifically prohibits the use of flags on costumes or uniforms, EXCEPT those of police and fire officers and the military.

I've found the more people care about symbolism, the more they are dumbasses.

That's a uniform, not a piece of clothing.

LOL. I was just poking fun at your broad description. Uniforms are clothing, but I knew what you meant.

The Houston Texans did do something awesome for this Marine Widow on Sunday:
http://tinyurl.com/83awdy5

God hates Flags

Take a look at what I'm wearing, people. You think anybody wants a roundhouse kick to the face while I'm wearing these bad boys?

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/...-dynamite2.jpg

A lot of people died so we could have a choice
Shockey will drown in his own vomit some day

:hmmm:


Symbolism is everywhere in many forms. And there is nothing wrong with it. I've found the less someone cares about anything the less I care if they exist. Or since MLK said it best, "A man who hasn't found something he is willing to die for is not fit to live".

Symbolism to the protocol and respect of our flag is nothing more than respect in this country, and all the men and women who have died defending it. I disagree whole heartily to the "totality of freedom" America has been turning into.

If you say you don't have to pay respect to the flag, like in this case, everyone jumps to their defense as having the freedom of speech to do it. However, Shockey's words of disagreement somehow isn't freedom of speech. I don't get it....

Yep. Dumbass confirmed.

The first step in overcoming a problem is admitting you have a problem. Good luck on your recovery, Dumbass....

I know this guy takes of his hat and stands at attention. Somebody will get the hint in this thread eventually....

I'd list what I think about pro athletes in general, but you can just read about the Chicago Bears undercover bust for a hint.

I always stand and remove my hat for the National Anthem. I am not a vet, but my dad was. He had a VFW honor guard for his funeral. Those honor guard guys were awesome. They had been in Korea, Vietnam, Kuwait and Iraq. It's all about respect. I have great respect for men and women who have served when called. My dad was drafted for Korea. He quit playing minor league baseball and went. My dad said he went because Harry Truman and the USA "invited him to go." So he did his duty with the 24th Infantry. That's just the way it was in 1950.

"Because I think it's a hipster thing to do."

Pretty sure it prohibits it being backwards on a uniform, too.

Concussions really are causing problems.

Never been sure why it is necessary to play the national anthem at sporting events in the first place. Because I'm at a sporting event with a bunch of other people it is necessary to convey our patriotism? Frankly, it seems a bit North Korean-ish. Why not at a concert, movie, or other type of public gathering?

I do stand and remove my hat though.

And, anyone who says "Home of the CHIEFS" surely isn't agreeing with strict rules about the anthem are they?

Apollo Creed disagrees

I teach in a public middle school. We listen to the National Anthem every morning. I put my right hand over my heart and left hand behind my back so that I'm not tempted to mess with papers, tap a desk, put it in my pocket. I tell my kids that I do this every day to honor people like my grandfathers, my dad, and 5 of my uncles who served. I think it's the least I can do and hopefully it shows kids a little something about respect.

I was at a high school volley ball game and a kid didn't take his hat off for the anthem. so this guy walks down the bleachers to where the kid was and takes his hat off and hands it to him and then stands beside him until the anthem was over. I asked him if it was his kid. nope. do you know him? he said nope and at 6'4" it his parents want to talk to me about it I should be easy to find. pretty funny.

many members of my family have fought for this country. my father is a 20 year vet. I have uncles from just about every branch. my first thought when I read this was...well it's not like they are burning the flag or anything. my father and I got into a fairly big argument over flag burning. I think it's henious for someone enjoying the freedom provided by this country and using it to burn a flag that represents that freedom. my father disagrees. he says hey, my brothers and I fought for freedom, and that includes the freedom to be a total ****ing ASSHOLE. an interesting take on it from a vets point of view.

It's not backwards; proper customs/courtesies dictate that the flag be worn with the stars forward.

The Soldier's uniform is fine. Do some research.

From AR 670-1

"The full-color U.S. flag cloth replica is worn so that the star field faces forward, or to the flag’s own right. When worn in this manner, the flag is facing to the observer’s right, and gives the effect of the flag flying in the breeze as the wearer moves forward."

Freedom of speech includes freedom of offensive speech. That's why flag burning, or book burning, or the Phelps Klan with "Santa pillowbiter" signs during Christmas time, are allowed to happen in the USA. If you allow everyone to speak freely, you can judge the content of their speech and determine if they're fruitloops or not. My dad was the same way. He didn't like it, but understood that it comes with the territory when you defend freedom.

Thank Goodness you learned long ago that symbolism has no place in literature, religion, philosophy or human history. You are indeed a wise and profound illuminati.

I bet your Che t-shirt waves proudly in the breeze...

yeah.....I reckon....I mean I guess dad is right, but it just pisses me off. I don't think I could control myself if I was ever in close proximity to a flag burner or those phelps losers. man...those phelps folks... just sick.
<blood pressure rising>

I mean DAMN! can you IMAGINE burying your kid and those phelps bitches being there with their signs and shit? I'm surprised there haven't been deaths yet. sorry ass bitches hiding behind freedom of speech.

I'm not sure that people who opt not to stand during the national anthem are a 1:1 with the Phelps bunch. That's a stretch.

I think I'll add this thread to the growing number of things I don't give a shit about.

agreed. and certainly not what I said, although I did ramble off on a tangent. (those sorry BITCHES!)

Thought it said "this is 'Mecca" when scrolling quickly.

My brain went. "Explains a lot"..

I've never been one to put my hand over my heart during the National Anthem. As I see it, there's no real etiquette covering this, save for the standing and removing of the hat. I put my hand over my heart for the Pledge of Allegiance.

I don't really view it as being unpatriotic. I, myself, am very proud to be an American, as my grandfather served in the Army during WW2 and the Navy during Korea. I joined the Sons of the American Legion out of gratitude and respect of his and all others' service.

Que the Shockey pre-celebratory gif. LMAO

**** the troops

American rips Shockey for being a ****ing douchebag.

Texans linebacker DeMeco Ryans heard about Shockey’s complaint and raised an interesting question: If expressing patriotism during the national anthem is of paramount importance to Shockey, why was he focusing his attention on the Texans?

“If he’s so patriotic, why was he looking at our bench instead of the flag?” Ryans asked. “Where did he come up with the number 10? Was he counting?Why was he paying attention to us during the national anthem?”
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Standing during the national anthem makes you as patriotic as going to church makes you Christian.

And where on earth is this handbook that requires all American citizens to be patriotic?

You have the freedom of speech to say that.
I have the freedom of speech to say;
**** you back.
neg.

One of the most overrated players in NFL history, and that overrating doesn't even come close to rivaling his stupidity.

the dude has 2 superbowl rings

Hey, Saul and bi lay started the party without me! What are both of your addresses? I'll kick your asses!

I think the argument is more about it appearing disrespectful to some people. Talking in class and disrupting the teacher is also disrespectful, writing "clean me" on someone's dirty rear window is also disrespectful.

None of these are illegal or will get you a ticket, and there's no handbook that helps you out in knowing these type of things, maybe it was your parent's job to teach you this respect and common courtesy. Maybe as an adult, it's supposed to come to you like understanding poetry, in time.

I personally remove my hat and keep my hat over my heart area. But its a personal decision and as a Vet I take it with a grain of salt if anyone else does or doesn't. That being said I would take big issue with anyone, especially a stranger, taking it upon themselves to remove a hat off of one of my family members heads.

I am pissed!!!!

Or perhaps there are differing opinions (which are equally valid) where it concerns the SSB, the observance of it, patriotism...and whether the former two are in any way connected with the latter.

Still haven't gotten an answer to why patriotism is an American obligation.

"Because" isn't quite as satisfying as it sounds.

Where do you live!!!

SNR, I'm in

So patriotism is a mere product of one's geography?
That seems rather...shallow.

I remember watching the first game he played and the announcers were sucking him off something fierce.

Can you please link me to the other thread you guys did this in? I had tears rolling down my face, I was laughing so hard.
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Commie!:#

Good for Shockey.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=252219

I'm sending Da Face a PM right now to put this sucker in the Hall of Classics

He was just being a good, loyal American serving his country by playing games

One of my friends told me before the 2003 season that Shockey was a better TE than Tony Gonzalez. That may have been the first time I ever told anyone to kill themselves.

Why does "because" not sound satisfying? You should be a good sibling, parent or child just "because" too. That's good enough for me.

I think being patriot became a big deal during the world wars, anyway - Hitler and ideas of world domination. Is it really so bad to believe in something that you'd risk your life for it? The American dream, etc is pretty corny but still true to an extent. How about freedoms we have here that do not exist in other countries?

Oh.

Because isn't a satisfactory argument, that's why.

why isn't it?

Because

hook line and sinker.....
LMAO

Is he saying they aren't gifted BECAUSE they live here, or is he saying they should prove themselves gifted BEFORE allowed to live here?"

I'm confused.

Either way that sounds pretty Unpatriotic. Shame on you Jeremy.

Thanks 4 nothing. Idk who sucks more the troops or Jeremy Shockey.