The playcalling difference...
 

The difference in playcalling yesterday compared to the entire season if not the last 3 seasons was just ****ing mind bottling! Not 1,2,3, but 4 screens in one game? TE's being hit over the middle for more than 3 yards? No Dex up the middle for -2?

Ok, so, was this really because of Orton who had practiced really all of one week? Or was this because Haley was not there to chain down Muir on the playcalling?

Don't get me wrong, I am not here to sell Muir as a good OC. But JFC...we were a totally different team all the way around? How does this happen in less than a week? How does a team that couldn't get a first down to save their life suddenly go to punting onl twice the entire game with 0 turnovers and 0 sacks?

Obviously Orton brings a lot to that situation but it was the non-passing plays that stuck out the most. Particularly the lack of running Mighty Mouse 1.5 up the middle constantly for not.

I think Haley was a damper on this offense. When Muir and Zorn can take the same roster of backups and retirees with a QB that has been practing for all of a few days and turnout the performance we saw against The Pack then yu have to say that either Orton was football God's gift to the Chiefs or Muir and Zorn were finally able to call an offense that would actually produce.

RAC himself said they didn't do anything much different.

They've run screens for the better part of 2.5 years, Cassel just can't execute them.

I know my mind is bottled.

I guess so. But even when Cassel did it seemed the blocking was never there.

Just 3 points of note that makes me think Haley was the wet rag on the offense..

1. Palko inactive
2. Dex used sparingly and not as a power runner
3. The increased use of McClain

Playcalling was better except for one series where they went ultraconservative.

10 different players caught the ball.

Genuinely trying to be helpful here, because I know I'd hate to run around saying the wrong thing... but I'm pretty sure you mean "mind boggling," not mind "bottling." I'm fairly certain no one's trying to bottle your brain.

No, I meant "mind bottling". It's from a Will Ferrel movie you obviously haven't seen.

Ah, that would explain it. I thought you were going all "for all intensive purposes" on us.

1. Legitimate.
2. Dex ran 2 delay draws straight up the middle, same as every other week.
3. The Chiefs have run those types of screens all year. They ran that one in the gold zone against Minnesota and Cassel never even looked to McClain's side of the field. He ended up grounding the ball.

What is mind bottling is that people think there was a huge difference in play calling. That's whats mind bottling I tell you.

That and mind bottling is kind of mind bottling.

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1 different player threw the ball.

I blame Cassel.

Yeah Dex rana couple draws but we saw him used far less in the running game than we have been. And I don't think we have ran dick for screens. I know we have tried a few here and there but nothing like we saw yesterday.

Because they don't work with Cassel under center. He can't sell them because they require an extreme amount of patience under pressure.

You must un-cap your mind.

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I can't argue with this

Not sure about how many we've tried, but I remember yesterday thinking, "Holy shit! We just ran a successful screen for the first time in forever!"

It was not play calling, it was quarterbacking and execution. We ran the same plays we just got to run a lot more of them because we did not have all the no gain and negative playes. It makes a huge difference when you block and complete passes.

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this ......

Yesterday is the way that we should have been using McClain all year.

They've tried, believe me.

One thing I noticed was that they were executing the quick bubble screen wonderfully.

I don't know if that was Muir's dumbass calling that play into the huddle or if Orton was doing a quick read audible, but I'd guess it was more Orton. He makes Cassel look like a pee-wee.

I didnt know we had 10 players that could catch the ball LMAO

The same plays are in the playbook. That hasn't changed, but the pattern that the plays were called yesterday was different and the play calling wasn't entirely predictable. It was almost as if there was an overarching plan and purpose in their play calling. Using the OL in space, screens to slow down the rush, etc. It almost made me think someone had watched some film.

Obviously having a legitimate NFL quarterback made many plays more successful, and even those that were not made the Packers react (thinking of the incomplete to Baldwin on the three).

Yesterday, when they had succes the stuck with it. For instance, they kept running the screen until GB made an adjustment. Previously, when something had been successful Jones immedately went back in for another dose of Herm-ball. GB never did have an answer for the outside running game.

Now just to find a solution to the goal line offense (cough..Bowe in the corner...cough).

Yeah, I got giddy seeing Orton call an audible yesterday. I'd forgotten what those looked like!

Playcalling was different. Seemed like Jones and McClain were used much more. I didn't notice Dex in the backfield all that much attempting to pick up blitzes.

It seemed tp me that the play calling was only a little bit different, but that Orton was a lot more poised in the pocket than our other QBs have been. If you settle into the pocket and look downfield, you can find opportunities with our receivers. Orton played a gutsy game yesterday, it seemed to me, just by staying in the pocket and picking his shots.

Playcalling looked about the same to me. The difference is that we had a QB who could execute.

Not losing yards on 1st down can change the entire flow of a game...

This is due to the QB, not play selection.

Red zone play selection was awful.

Mind bottling LMAO

I thought McClain and Breaston both could have had TDs with better execution. The play calls were okay on those two plays.

Otherwise, not much you can do when timing is off with your new QB and WR, and the OL is getting bent over.

Very little difference, just a lot better execution starting at the QB position.

I noticed that we passed on first down more.

yep, it was different ... there was more unpredictability to the playcalling

normally i can pretty much tell what play is coming next and yesterday i couldn't. That first screen actually caught me by surprise. I'm not sure the offense ever did that under Haley.

other than the redzone offense, the playcalling was pretty decent.

Ah, I see. Couldn't get thru that one. Stupid movie.

bullshit

we didn't start ever drive with a drawplay, for one.

QB has nothing to do with that shit

McClain got the carries up the middle instead of DMC

QB has nothing to do with that

timing of the screen plays called has nothing to do with the QB

Pope being open by 15 yards ... twice!! was because of the unpredictability of the offense not the QB.

McClain just flat dropped his. The pass to Breasting was a shade behind him.

Muir needs to hang it up, though.

LOL, Okay there fireplug.

He has 2 more weeks to prove it was Haley holding him back.

It took 13 games for the staff to finally utilize McClain like he needed to be. The guy has good hands and can get a few yards up the gut...

I was miffed on the Haley firing during the season, but the way the O operated yetserday made me realize what a hinderance he was.

Per usual, you prove yourself to be a ****ing moron.

If you cannot tell the biggest difference yesterday was QB play, then there is no hope for you to ever learn anything about this game. Ever.

Yep. I didn't see much difference in play calling. It was just executed properly.

I'm going out on a limb and say that the play calling was improved due to Grandpa having free reign, but also the fact that our QB actually hung in the pocket and ran through his progressions...

They tweaked the offense, no question.

Orton showed everyone just how pathetic Cassel was under center.

People that don't realize this overdosed on their stupid pills.

Mainlining black-tar reerun is more likely...

I almost pissed my pants on that fake by orton to make charles woodson bite then he hit the next guy within the numbers. IDK what was up with trying back shoulder throws to our big recievers. Throw the damn thing high. Good game and fun non the less.

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So you think with Haley on the sideline the Chiefs would have won?

Pope being open was because Orton is able to make reads and have time to find him. Cassel only looks one direction the throws to that person wildly or if it is a special occation would throw completely across his body in traffic.

Blades of Glory?

Of course not...he would have started Palko.

What does that have to do with anything?

It makes one wonder if he would have opened up the play calling with ol' Orton...

But he insisted on trotting Palko out there for four games, so he blew that opportunity. Thus, we'll never know...

The utter truth!

I'm pretty sure McClain had more carries and throws to him in this game than he has all season. They definitely used Dex differently than Haley did.

Plus, how many times did they target Bowe?

Again, they ran the SAME screen in the Minnesota game. Cassel never even looked to that side of the field...

Stop harping about 1 screen pass. You've written about it 100x already in the last 24 hours. We get it. That 1 pass doesn't necessarily mean that the playcalling was the even remotely similar.

Well at least we have our QB now ... i mean since the only thing that matters is the Quarterback then Orton > Rodgers since we won.

To da Ship!!!!!!!!!!!

He'll never stop ... at least we know now that he never really left. He's way too psycho about the subject to not of been jacking off to every drafturbator post this whole time.

No clue.

It's called an example. I get it that you want me to stop mentioning it, sometimes the truth hurts.

It doesn't change the fact that the playcalling WAS similar, even according to Romeo Crennel himself.

But I'm sure he's making shit up too, right?

LMAO now you're just trolling

In ortons time in Denver and Chicago, he has never had the weapons that we will have next year.

However,


He is a stopgap, that is all. This doesn't change anything. It just shows that with a solid qb we could beat alot of teams. Solid qbs don't neccesarily win in the PS. We need a good to great qb.

Maybe Stanzi can be that guy. It would be great if he is. We will definately find out what the Front office thinks about him come draft time.

Another thing this shows is that Matt Cassel needs to go. Show me one game where he looked and performed as well as Orton did yesterday.

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Utterly clueless.

I left because of a disagreement with one of the drafturbators.

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Is Laz this biggest Cassel troll we have left on this board?

Come on.


There are no Cassel supporters left. Natural selection has taken care of that.

I'm not sure he even likes Cassel.

His hate for Haley obfuscates basically any other opinion he has.

2 words...Kyle Orton.

This is exactly the problem Orton > Cassel and trying to showcase himself for a big payday = Big difference in execution.

And unions. Don't forget unions.

Laz is just a douche.

Playcalling when it works > playcalling when it doesn't work. Dumb it down enough for you?

I haven't watched the game yet since it wasn't carried here and I was out of town. It all just seems so mind bottling though.

How many passes have been thrown to Becht all year? McClain, Becht and Cooper all had season high receptions yesterday. Otron was a big difference, but the playcalling spread the ball around more than it has all year. There weren't that many big shots downfield.

The only way the playcalling spreads the ball around is if he's hitting the #1 read EVERY time.

Even the announcers on TV recognized that ORTON was spreading the ball around.

Highly doubtful that he would have started Palko. Crenell would have lost this game starting Cassel or Palko. Haley would have lost the game starting Orton.

Why does it matter? Because certain Cassel haters are incapable of understanding the level of suckage that was this season, want to pin yesterday's win entirely on the change a QB, and overlook the importance of having a game plan, a scheme, and decent play calling.

edit: Fact is that there has been a sufficient amount of Suck at 1 Arrowhead Dr to justify cutting Cassel, firing Haley AND firing Pioli.