what's with all the Orton isn't the answer talk?
 

OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me.

I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid.

I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton.

I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!

kill yourself

Here we go again.

There's a reason Broncos fans hated him.

Pressure mostly turns him into a puddle of goo.

It's the eyeball test. Orton has been in the league for a long time now.

We know who he is. He's a hot/cold guy who is a fair upgrade over Cassel.

He's the type of guy who will always be around 15th or so best QB in the league. It works for now.

I'm even okay with Orton as the QB next year for a bit assuming we draft a QB in the first. That's the key. That doesn't change the fact that the Chiefs need to finally do what they have neglected to do which is take a gamble and draft a QB in the first. It's the mostly likely way to get a franchise QB. They haven't done it and thus we haven't won. Simple as that.

Orton is the "short term" answer, but we need to draft someone for the future.

Saying he's better than Cassel isn't saying much.

Cut C@$$hole and Palko.

Resign Orton to a 3 year deal.

Draft the best QB we can trade up for...

You are right, there shouldn't be any more talk about Orton being the answer.


We should just assume that everyone knows that he isn't.

This^

:facepalm:

This for me too.

I love this idea. Realisticly though, palko is gone. We're probably stuck with casserole for 2 more years ( so hope I'm wrong ). I believe Orton was brought in for the potential draft pick, but in essence has got us back in this fight. I think his play, and whatever happens in these next 2 Games might change the brasses idea.
While I'm not a draftorbater I do like the idea of drafting a franchise qb. Like everyone else here. Will that happen? Dunno. Gonna be a fun end of the season. Go Buffalo!

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I would be just fine with that. I just want those two humps out of KC.

The Orton thing

It's the best QB play we've seen in awhile, but that's not saying much.
I'm okay with Orton at QB, but I realize it's mostly because I've seen such shitty QB play here for the past few years. When you're eating ramen noodles every day then microwave pizza seems like gourmet fare. Thing is, you'll get tired of Microwave pizza pretty quick too and then we'll all be back to bitching about drafting a QBOTF.

Kyle Orton struggles in a low point for Broncos vs. Chiefs

Maybe if we offer the Bears both Orton and Cassel, they'll give us Cutler...

People have gotten so tired of how bad Cassel is, anything other than him is viewed as a miracle upgrade.

I dont mind Orton for a year or two. I think hes decent and probably a top 15 guy.

i agree.

I shit you not, I watched the game on Sunday with 4 dudes that went from "draft and develop a QB or run Pioli out of town" to "we're a stout defense away from the SB" in a matter of 4 quarters and 10 pitchers of beer.

He's very inconsistent.

As far as having great weapons in KC, people need to get a grip. Bowe can be invisible just as many times as he makes a great catch. Breaston is a good slot receiver, and Baldwin is still a complete unknown.

Give Orton a 2 year deal. Nothing over that.

Orton will work for now. ANYTHING to get rid of Cassel and get an NFL caliber QB on the field. Like everyone else, I'm not confident he is the long term answer and would like to see us draft a QB. But you never know, Orton might just figure it all out and start beasting.

One of his main knocks in Denver was he could drive it up and down the field but couldn't stick it in the end zone. We saw that on Sunday. But the play calling was ass, so it's not all on him. If he can figure out the red zone with big physical receivers like Bowe, Baldwin, and even Pope, he might turn out ok.

And that is being generous...

2 years at backup salary to be a #2 or #3 on the depth chart is fine, anything over that and he can walk...


He would be a decent backup to our franchise starting QB next year...

The only thing I will say in Orton's defense:

He never had a running game AND a defense in Denver.

The Broncos were 18th in rushing and 7th in defense his first year.

His second year they were 26th in rushing and 32nd in defense.

In KC he will most likely have a top 10 running game and top 15 defense next season.

Bowe hasnt been invisible for awhile, Breaston is solid and Baldwin has shown plenty of potential this year in a handful of games.

Not saying Orton is savior, but with more time to work with our team, getting our injured stars back next year, and another solid draft, this is definately a playoff team in 12.

Hard to see Orton in KC next year. I think we can all agree don't sign him to a long term, big $$ deal. But I think Kyle is going to get an opportunity to sign a long term deal somewhere. He's only 29.

We just need to get that 1st round QB and play him so it doesn't matter what happens with Cassel or Orton.

That is exciting. Can't wait for September, but these next 2 weeks might be hella fun!

Really...you guys don't want to kick the tires some more? You're ready to put a ring on his finger? Wow.

Considering what we had before Orton (Huard, Croyle Cassel) it's easy to get excited.

I agree with giving him a 2 year deal and drafting a QB in the first round.

2008 Bears had a running game and an average D.

Could it be because they got rid of his favorite target... Tebow is really tearing it up in the passing game.

They were 24th in rushing.

Giving away draft picks to move up when you still have holes to fill for a QB who might be Ryan Leaf, David Carr, etc etc is stupid.

If we had the Oline fixed, a nose tackle, ILB, another pass rusher and a RB to complement Charles. Sure give all our picks to get one of the top 2 QBs....but we don't.

Sign Orton to a 2-3 year deal and keep looking for the next Tom Brady later in draft. Orton is still young and seems to still be improving. He will make us a playoff caliber team at the worst and who knows he might be a Gannon or Simms type QB and get to a superbowl.

I'm suuuuure that has nothing to do with the QB's KC has had behind center :rolleyes:

Ok, thinking about what we have had for the post Green years, makes me want to curb stomp the Easter Bunny. What a load of trash! No wonder Orton looks so good.

Great receivers can help elevate a QB. Bowe hasn't had a TD in 9 games. Gonzo had crap throwing to him for many games and was still able to consistently beat double and triple teams.

When has he EVER had a true #1 WR? Lloyd aint a #1 but Orton made him to be one. This guy is a great fit for this team.

This line of thinking is absolutely reeruned. EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL IS FLAWED. Every damn one. If it was up to you, no team would ever take a QB, because it's impossible to assemble the perfect team.

Without looking it up myself, did he have Brandon Marshall?

THIS!

Exactly!

Bowe drops a lot of crucial balls.
Breaston has been pretty good.
Baldwin is still unknown. I've seen him "Almost" make some circus catches, but almost doesn't get you anywhere.

I like Orton better than Cassel, but if the Chiefs sign Orton they're probably going to be sinking enough money into the deal to make it hard not to start Orton for at least a couple of years (just like with Cassel two years ago when he signed his K). That makes drafting an early round QB prospect less likely, IMO.

So I'm OK with signing Orton, but I'd rather see them draft a 1st round QB and keep Cassel to start until the new guy (or Stanzi) is ready.

The mindset behind this thread makes me want to kick rabbits.
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His stats are on par of where Andre Johnson was at that stage in his career. He can't force a shit QB to read a defense better.

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He didn't have the running games or the multiple threats we'll possess.

Even if he did have a #1 WR, he has a history of letting pressure bring out the worst in him.

It doesn't matter if you have 4 HOF WRs running around out there, if you shit your pants under pressure you're ****ed.

Now, maybe our playmakers + defense might reduce the amount of pressure situations he has to face. But at some point the D is probably going to falter, probably against a superior QB in the playoffs...so then you wonder if Orton can respond.

Like the pressure of scoring to put us back on top after GB went up?
Or like the pressure to knock the game out of reach with timely throws at the end in his first game ever with less than 2 weeks of preparation with a new team?

I get your point but we know what we got in Orton... Not ready to throw the draft at a #1 QB when we have so many O-Line needs.

Actually, mostly I'm talking about pass rush pressure.

I can probably count on one hand the number of times he had to throw under pressure against GB.

There's a reason Broncos fans called him "The Pocket Sloth"

And this is why we will never be a serious playoff or super bowl contender..

This line of thinking isnt how teams that win superbowls think.

TRUE FANS UNITE!!!!!!!!!!!

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I like Orton, I want to sign him to a deal, but let's face the facts. Better than Cassel shouldn't be the goal.

This. This. 500x this!
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He had Marshall and Lloyd. Both are number 1 wide receivers. And Orton didn't make Lloyd a better player. They actually ---(gas)---worked together very hard int he off-season to get better. Plus they were together in Chicago.

Great. We got our QBotn2.5y

I re-watched the DirecTV 30 minute condensed game and Kyle Orton's performance was the first time since Trent Green that we've had a quarterback who could read the defense and make the throw. I don't know how good Orton can be, but he reminded me of Trent Green even more the second time I watched the game. He's certainly good enough to be our starter while we groom an early pick.

Kyle Orton is on a completely different level than Matt Cassel.

Our line is supposedly one of the worst in the league and he didn't turn to goo one time.

Either he's not what Bronco fan says he is, or our line isn't what Chiefs fan say it is...

:hmmm:

This.

While this is true it ain't saying much.

Never go full reerun.

I'm not ready to give orton a ring, but one game with him I'm ready to give him the job over cassel. Someone asked me what's the difference between the two was this:

I'm orton take snap look at first option covered, look second, look third , look fourth throw complete no panicking.

I'm cassel take snap look at first option still looking, come on get open man , crap here comes the pass rush crap, and throws it away, an interception, in the dirt, or crumbles in the pocket.

The reason I go with orton two words:

Pocket Awareness

Not sure I can support pioli if he let's orton go and tries to sell us on cassel again. Only way I support cassel if we draft a QB for the future. Unfortunately he'd probably be still
QB the whole year. Me I'm done with Cassel.

Un****ingbelievable. After all these years of fail of winning a playoff game with retread QBs Orton is our guy. Un****ingbelievable. **** you true fans **** you.

I have this feeling Pioli is going to keep Cassel.

The Chiefs will probably sign Orton as well. I could see them keeping both Cassel and Orton and drafting an offensive lineman in the first round. Then they are going to let Cassel and Orton compete for the starting QB job. That seems to be the way the Chiefs operate. I hope I'm wrong.

Holy shit.....I have no idea who you are....but I ****ing hate you.

:thumb: I agree that this would be our best route to take.

Orton is the kind of QB that is great one week just to flop the next. He is of the inconsistent variety of QB. That is recipe for 8-8 season or 10-6 season & getting our ass kicked yet again in the playoffs. That's what we get. Oh boy & the joy of making the playoffs for the true fans just makes em happy.

I can't believe how much people make of one good game.

You need a QB that can carry the team into the playoffs. The Falcons had something like 8 playoff appearances in 40 years. They draft Ryan and now they are in every year and have a decent chance of winning some games.

KC NEEDS TO DESPERATELY DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO DRAFT A POTENTIAL FRANCHISE QB AND PLAY THE KID. WORRY ABOUT ORTON, CASSEL, HASSELBACK, MCNABB OR WHOEVER ELSE AFTER YOU DRAFT THE QBOTF.

/All threads on this topic are over now.

Interim coach Romeo Crennel said Kyle Orton should be the Chiefs 2012 starter if he wins the final two games.
There's a ton of uncertainty in Kansas City, so Crennel is getting way ahead of himself here. He's no lock to get the head coaching job, Orton is an impending free agent and Matt Cassel is under contract through 2014. Still, Orton may truly be a better option than Cassel. The Chiefs would be foolish not to at least consider using him as a "bridge" to a rookie quarterback they might draft in April.

This, over and over and over and over.

How many more times do we need to get excited over some scrub QB that we picked up from some other team?

It's almost Pavlonian how Chiefs' fans respond to one good game from scrub QBs and the fact that this team has NEVER drafted and developed its own franchise QB goes right out the window.

Orton is A answer, not THE answer.

You really should read the posts in this thread.

Where did Romeo say this? Is it true?

Is the CERTAINTY of no Matt Cassel reason enough to give him the job NOW? :)

The biggest hole on this team is and almost always has been our QB. Instead of picking up retreads and late round QB's why don't we do what it takes to get a first round caliber QB even if it means trading up for. I swear some people won't trade up for a QB because he might be a Ryan Leaf, but would rather keep a pick that could turn into a Trezelle Jenkins. Any player can bust. ANY! There is no guarantee that the picks we keep instead of giving up for a QB will pan out either. This team has holes and always will as all teams do (look at GB and NE).

We can get great players at every position but QB in FA. No more hoping for a late round gem hoping he becomes the next Tom Brady. Wake up! Tom Brady was a once in a lifetime (not generation, lifetime) QB. Now why are NE and GB considered elite in spite of their holes? Just look at who they have under center to answer that question. Orton is serviceable, but if he were what you think he is, he wouldn't be with us. Chicago gave up alot PLUS Orton just to get Cutler. Denver benched him and eventually cut him for a QB many think is a glorified HB. When he was a FA, only three teams put in a waiver request for him, and one was us. That is 3 out of 32 teams. There are more teams then that who could use a QB, yet they passed on him.

Is he better than Cassel? Sure, but Cassel should not be the litmus test used to determine whether a QB is good or not. I am all for resigning Orton for at least a year and trading up for a QB (unless that QB is Luck) and letting our first rounder riding the pine for a year, but I do not think Orton is a guy who can take us to the promised land. I know he fooled some people by putting up a whopping 19 points against the worst defense in football, but he is on team three for a reason.

You have to worry about Orton/Cassel NOW.

Because if they're going with Cassel, there is no QBotF in April. I still firmly believe that Pioli thinks CASSEL is the future.

With Orton, it's a pretty obvious stop-gap move.

I agree with most of this. I don't like the idea of giving away picks to move up for anyone. We have no idea how they will play in the NFL. Plus, we still have some holes to fill. I'd say keep Orton (Cassel and Palko exit stage left) and go BPA in the draft. If it's a QB in the first, great, if not find one later. Then next year roll with Orton while Stanzi and QBX sit and watch. In two years, QB comp between QBX and Stanzi and we roll with the winner.

We also have no idea how the combined multiple picks (however many) used ot move up will play in the NFL. It's all uncertain. You're using the excuse of uncertainty to not give up uncertainty. It's completely illogical.

there is not a facepalm in the universe large enough to adequately respond to this....


jesus facepalm christ, we'll spend 30 years drafting OL, but never not even once a QB...BECAUSE IT WORKS SO WELL THAT WAY RIGHT?

i don't even care if you kill yourself at this point because I'm going to off myself anyways...

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