Franchise Tag Carr, Bowe or Orton?
 

So you pretty much have to franchise Carr if you can't get a deal worked out. Otherwise dude leaves to get paid and we get nothing out of it. This was a little shortsighted on Pioli's part.

there is a scenario of signing both Carr and Bowe and franchising Orton but again you have to have Carr signed.

So what would you do?

We have so much cap room... there is no reason we can't sign all 3 guys if we really want them back.Though if it comes down to it I say Franchise Bowe and go after Carlos Rogers in FA if for some reason we do lose Carr.

Franchise Orton? LMAO

Orton sucks, why would you even consider tagging him?

I'm not convinced yet they even try to resign Orton.

Orton. Because if Cassel goes down, we need to ensure that we have another overpaid backup to accentuate the problem.

So you can cut Cassel and keep Orton from walking for a long term deal?

WTF IS GOING ON?

They might want to see what direction the team is headed before committing to what would be pretty much their careers

WTF would we franchise Orton? You either sign him or let him walk and take the pick.

ROFL

Quality Pete thread....

Face the facts, dude...we are probably not drafting a QB that will be worthy of starting this year. That being the case I'd much rather see Orton than Cassel

Shit, forgot to look at who started the thread.

Honestly....I kinda like the 'franchise Orton' idea, but you absolutely have to get Bowe and Carr re-signed first.

If you can get those 2 on long-term deals, you have a bunch of cap space still (the first year of those deals won't be onerous). There aren't a lot of FAs that are going to be legitimate difference makers; there rarely is.

You know that Orton's not going to want to come back on a short-term deal and that teams are actually likely to give him a pretty nice little contract. You also know that Cassel has become downright cheap, so much so that he could be a viable backup QB.

So keep Cassel and franchise Orton. All it costs is money and if nothing else, you can deal Orton if need be. It gives us a veteran QB that we can win with for at least one more season while grooming a legitimate QBOTF.

We probably want both Carr and Bowe long-term anyway, so why use the franchise tag on either of them? In this case, the best way to utilize our assets may very well be to get those 2 guys signed and then franchise Orton.

Tag Bowe, there will be enough interest in him to get some good picks for him. Sign Carr and Orton

I'm gonna say Bowe is the only one worthy of a tag.

NFL trivia question: Has any player ever been cut by one team and franchise tagged by another in the same season?

Pete thread!

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Isn't the franchise number for QB's like 18 million dollars per?

that's nuts

Sign Carr
Tag Bowe (possible trade purposes?)
sign Orton as a transition type guy
look for a young QB


if Orton is looking for job security and doesn't want a transitional type deal then you move on.

Yes, you have to sign Bowe and Carr. If that can be done you might as well Franchise Orton, cut Cassel, and see what you can get this year or next in the draft.

I agree that this particular pile of shit smells better than the pile that's been stinking up Arrowhead for the past three years, but that still doesn't mean that we franchise the freshest turd.

Yeah then you're stuck with Cassel though

Please Orton, don't leave.

What ever would we do without you?

JFC

If we sign Orton to a 16 million dollar contract, it better be for 4 years.

Brady & Manning make over 25 mil a year, franchise Orton?

we don't ever have to be stuck with cassel, or anyone else, unless we choose to be.

Using up the remaining 30mil in cap space after signing Bowe and Carr on Orton seems like a good ****ing idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If we let do anything other than trade Bowe for Luck/RGIII, Pioli needs to be gutted and then fired.

They see me trollin....

You don't have to franchise Orton. You can probably sign him for 5 mil a year.

To who? Cassel? A rookie? A second year guy who hasn't played a snap? I think that would be a pretty foolish move for Pioli to make.

We could franchise Orton and trade him... wait, now I'm just being retarted.

I think we don't get him for anything less than 2 for $20 mil

Nobody here would ever troll to get a reaction out of someone.

But honestly - who gives a !@#$

It's not my money, it's not yours. No, Orton's worth nowhere near $18 million next season, but who cares? He doesn't become a long-term cap problem that way and he can't bail for the best 5-year deal.

If you get both Bowe and Carr signed long-term, you can then use the franchise tag to keep Orton here for a season. That may honestly be as long as we need him for.

It's certainly unconventional, but with a shitload of cap space and the fact that we're probably not going to use even a fraction of it, why not slap the tag on Orton to make sure we still have a viable NFL starting QB next season when we get Charles back, continue to rebuild the O-line and the defense takes another step towards elite? It's especially attractive if we also draft a QB or make a legitimate long-term commitment to Stanzi.

This team, with Bowe and Carr re-signed and Moeaki, Charles and Berry healthy again (not to mention Siler) can absolutely be a dark-horse to do some serious damage in the AFC next season.

That or you can just slap the tag on Bowe and watch Matt Cassel blow another season apart for us.

Don't look at this from an 'equity' standpoint - of course Orton's not worth that kind of coin. Look at it as what is the best for the Chiefs from both a short and long-term standpoint. Getting Bowe/Carr locked up long-term while ensuring Orton stays here short term is perfect for both the short term and long-term pictures.

sign bowe or carr and franchise the other one

**** orton

I guess if it comes down to it, franchise bowe....I wouldnt want our offense to lose that much firepower

As reeruned as it would be to franchise Orton, and I do agree you are getting to that point, it may be one of the only ways to dig us out of the hole we are in. I am not sure what the pay difference would be between keeping Cassel and franchising Orton. If it is anywhere close to the same then WTF? Take the better QB and go on.

I'm speechless.

Franchise Orton?





Holy ****ing shit.

Pete says hi.

Get real. No one is giving Orton that kind of money.

We literally just found this piece of shit off the trash, and now there are some (serious?) debates about franchising him? No. ****ing. thanks.

I don't think there is any chance in hell that Orton sees a contract north of $10M per, and that's being very liberal with the guesstimate. He'll be a 2 for 12 type of guy. Period.

We gave Cassel 3 years, 41 million.

Hahaha

Are your posts written for you?

They sure are entertaining.

No but someone will pay him $20 mil for 4 or 5 and he would probably opt for the longer term contract.

SIGN CARR!!!!!
priority one

tag Bowe

need to get a real QB
Orton is the best we have had since Green
so sign him front loaded
cut cassel
let stanzi actually compete and see who we can get in the draft

Why? It's not guaranteed. He'll opt for most up-front cash. And 6 would just about do it, I'm sure.

This bitch has full blown aids and is on her deathbed, so you don't want to **** her.

But this bitch has herpes and only recently tested positive for the HIV virus, so she's ****able.

Fine, that's reasonable.

That's basically "competent backup" money.

That's because Pioli is a colossal moron.

Cassel was coming off a reasonably decent season. Orton isn't.

If so then great!

Alright - but when we're sitting on another $20 million in cap space next season and starting Matt Cassel because Orton took the best 4 year deal he could find, don't say you weren't warned.

The Chiefs have a chance to be very very good next season. A simply average NFL quarterback could be all that it takes.

I'd absolutely overpay for Orton if it meant getting Cassel gone. And if that overpay is only for a year, even better.

It's not a matter of taking Orton over Bowe or Carr - like I said, this is contingent on getting both of those guys signed longterm - it's a matter of taking Orton over Cassel and being willing to overpay in terms of $$ (money that I'm not ever going to see either way) over a short window to make it happen.

I'm not sure why folks are so up in arms about this. They just see "OHMYGOD ORTON AT $18 MILLION?!?!" and turn their brains off. Who gives a shit about how much cash we throw at a player on a 1-yr deal when it ultimately won't impact this team long-term at all?

I saw somewhere that Shannarat has already mentioned interest in Bowe.

When I think Chiefs franchise, I think Orton.

Don't understand. If we cut Cassel, we can sign Orton and not pay him anymore than Cassel is scheduled to make over the next 3 years. If we give Orton the starter's job, we can have him at a reasonable price. The key is not Orton's price, but flushing the Cassel turd.

Deez, I beg to Dilfer.

You can't roll without wheels. Bowe may be an Short Block 350, but he's got a Rock Crusher Transmission. Just need the right linkage for steering, is all.

After what happened this year with Tyler ****o, there's no way the Chiefs let a good QB walk out the door.

What it comes down to basically is how much are you willing to pay to NOT see Cassel starting next year?

When I think Broncos running game I think Tebow.

where was the good QB?

Sign bowe and carr and transition Orton (if we don't go after flynn)

FYP.

KC Chiefs: Livin' the dream.

Kyle Orton, dumbshit. He ain't Peyton Manning but at least he can make all the goddamn throws.

Orton will make low-mid starters' money. Cassel is paid as a starter. If I were Clark Hunt, I'd want to know why we are paying two guys starter money.

You ****ing well better.

Because Pioli ****ed a stranger in the ass.

I think given a full off-season with the team Orton could be good. Not great but good, especially if we are healthy everywhere else. He moved the ball pretty good in his 3 games. Well at least until Bowe went down at Denver. No, we never punched it in but that I put more on Muir and to an extent the O-line because we weren't punching it in with Cassel either.

Just saying, we are at the point that a stop-gap QB is what we need. I don't want Cassel.

What we have paid Cassel is a sunk cost. If Orton is better, cut Cassel. Hell, is Cassel even a decent backup?

Because we collect backup QBs like they're ****ing cartoon figures. Magically, they'll join into one stellar signal caller.

ThunderQBs, roll!

Anyone who couldn't see the complete difference in our passing game with Orton is just plain ****ing blind. Not saying Orton is Drew Brees but god damn, he was hitting guys actually in stride, making zippy throws and moved the chains. Cassel does that 1-2 games a year.

I guess i dont get why some are so high on Orton? Yes, hes a better pure passer than Cassel. Hes just never won very many games.

Bridging the gap to what?

Stanzi! /IA homer

Need some aspirin? SP wants to get a big pick, before taking more than the suggested dose. Pick up Flynn, and see what Cassel does. Cassel will want his guaranteed money, Orton will be a pay-to-play, Stanzi and Flynn will be cutting jokes, albeit working their asses off.

Cassel is Grbac, without the playoff prospect.

Having typed this shit out, I think you're on to something. There ain't no pick out there.

I'd keep Cassel as a backup but no way the Chiefs are going to spend that kind of money on 2 QB's which neither are the long term answer.

:spock: Or they could just keep him. **** you guys that want him traded.

Who is high on Orton? He's an average at best NFL QB. Cassel is the worst in the league.

I'd say he's an excellent backup.

He can run the offense and let the running game do the heavy lifting without turning it over. That's a perfect backup.

What QB are we going to draft this year that's worth taking a 2-14 season? Granted it may take that to get a good QB in the long run.

I'm all for signing a vet QB, and I think we could do a lot worse than Orton. But we can get this done without going insane.

Franchise Orton! ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

No to Cassel, even as a backup. This team needs an enema.

If they franchise Orton I'll get a sandwich sign that says Fire Pioli and stand out in front of Arrowhead for a week.