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Saccopoo 01-10-2012 01:53 PM

Sac's 2012 End of Season Mock
 
1. Peter Konz, C; Wisconsin: 6'3", 313 lbs.
- Yep, it's a ten pick reach at minimum, but Casey Wiegmann, while one of the best at his position during his career, is sniffing 40 and contemplated retirement before this past season. Rather than moving Hudson to center, keep him at guard (where he was a three time ACC first teamer & AP AA) and get a guy like Konz when you have the chance. He's big, physical and has the strength to handle even the biggest defensive tackles. I don't know if he's as good as Alex Mack at the same stage, but he reminds me a lot of him.

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/wp-co...Peter-Konz.jpg

Other options would include OT's Riley Rieff or Jon Martin; ILB's Luke Kuechly or Dont'a Hightower (no Burfict as he hasn't shown the instincts to play at the next level or the capability to be anything other than a 15 yard personal foul waiting to happen).

2. Matt Reynolds, OT; BYU: 6'6", 330 lbs.
- Reynolds is a four year starter, and three year conference first teamer at left tackle. This also might be a bit of a reach, but he won't last beyond the second round and is most likely a better pro prospect than any offensive tackle beyond the top three. He's very athletic for a guy his size and could effectively play either side of the line. Plays nasty and through the whistle. Barry Richardson might be the worst starting offensive tackle in the NFL and the position needs to be addressed immediately. If the Chiefs don't get a shot at one of the top three in the first round, it needs to be addressed here - and Pioli has also shown the propensity to draft offensive line in the second round.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedi...opm5-26361.jpg

3. Derrek Wolfe, DT; Cincinatti: 6'5", 310 lbs.
- Initially, I would have loved the Chiefs to have picked up Wolfe in the 5th round, but after a monster 2011 season where he had 19.5 tackles for a loss and 9.5 sacks from the defensive tackle position for the Bearcats, he's going to be a riser, especially at the 3-4 defensive end spot where his length and speed to go along with his size are damn near prototype for the position. Jackson flashed a couple times in 2011 for the Chiefs, but Dorsey just looks like a "guy" out there and has a tendency to get absolutely engulfed by NFL guards.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/...tdgzn/340x.jpg

4. Vick Ballard, RB; Mississippi State: 5'11", 215 lbs.
- With teams loading the box in an effort to stop him (because the Bulldogs didn't have much else offensively), Ballard still managed over 1000 yards on a 5.6 yards per carry. He's physically solid with good muscle mass and has very good vision. Is effective inside as well as out and is a good receiver. He went for 180 yards and two TD's in the Music City Bowl to close out his college career. He's a really good runnning back that would effectively fill the Thomas Jones spot in the lineup.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images...jpg?1316556081

5. Tank Carder, MLB; TCU; 6'2", 240 lbs.
- With the two best blocking tight ends (Lutzenkirchen and Williams) going back to school for the 2013 season, this gets changed to linebacking stud Carder, who is the two-time MWC Defensive Player of the Year. Very instinctive and fundamentally sound, he was asked to do a lot in the middle playing in TCU's oddball 4-2-5 defense. Is effective in both coverage and filling the gaps on runs. Likes to put the big hit on carriers, but also plays smart. Is long and would be capable of carrying more weight to play inside in a 34. MVP of the 2011 Rosebowl when TCU beat a very good Wisconsin team. The guy can play some football.

http://media.idahostatesman.com/smed...ow2D.St.36.jpg

6. Sean Cattouse, SS; California: 6'2", 215 lbs.
- With the loss of Berry at the start of the season, it highlighted the lack of depth that the Chiefs have at the strong safety position. McGraw has superb instincts but runs like he's in molasses. Sabby was a stopgap because of the injury. Cattouse has been solid for the Bears all season and one of the few bright spots on their defense. He's big, fast, likes to put the big hit on guys and has the tools to be an effective player with coaching. This is what you want in a backup strong safety.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images...jpg?1320215816

7. Nick Provo, TE; Syracuse: 6'4", 250 lbs.
- Originally this was Caleb McSurdy, ILB; Montana, but with the pick of Carder in the fifth, another productive tight end on the roster is needed. Provo was First Team All-Big East in 2011 and set the Syracuse school record for career receptions for a tight end despite really only getting onto the field his junior and senior seasons. A Mackey semi-finalist in 2011.

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townn...239a.image.jpg

BryanBusby 01-10-2012 02:04 PM

This is going to be amusing

Munson 01-10-2012 02:05 PM

True fans everywhere are fapping to the thought of taking a C and OT in the first two rounds. But to be fair, these are two positions in need of a major upgrade.

RealSNR 01-10-2012 02:06 PM

I really like the Konz pick.

Who do you think should start at QB this year, Sac? Are we getting Flynn? Stanzi? Orton? The unspeakable one?

Direckshun 01-10-2012 02:07 PM

Enjoy your mocks, Sac.

Let me go read this one.

Direckshun 01-10-2012 02:09 PM

Pretty good mock, except for the first round.

A center is just really, really silly to take in the first round.

Bump 01-10-2012 02:13 PM

we drafted a center in the 2nd last year, we're not drafting one in the first. That's just ****ing stupid.

durtyrute 01-10-2012 02:22 PM

Why no QB? Everyone wants a QB, but no one is picking one?

Saccopoo 01-10-2012 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8282850)
Pretty good mock, except for the first round.

A center is just really, really silly to take in the first round.

I would tend to agree with you, but Wiegmann is likely to retire and Konz is one of the best centers I've seen in college in the past ten years or so (along with Maurkice Pouncey and Alex Mack). Guy is a stud and he'll be picked around the mid to low teens to mid to low 20's in the draft. Chiefs need a center as I'd really like to see Rod Hudson take the starting guard spot from Lilja this next season. An interior of Hudson, Konz, Asamoah would do a lot to change our inability to run effectively in the red zone. Add a solid tackle, let the best man win at LT and put the other guy at RT and that's a really nice, young offensive line.

LT: Albert/Reynolds
LG: Hudson
C: Konz
RG: Asamoah
RT: Reynolds/Albert

I'm still not sold on Albert as a LT, but having Hudson there on a consistent basis should do wonders. That's a line that has potential.

If you wanted to go elsewhere with the first pick, I do like Grant Garner a lot from Oklahoma State as well. He's a really solid center prospect. Maybe Dave Molk from Michigan (who seems to be a Wiegmann clone and would be a good guy if they stay in the zone blocking scheme). Other than that, there's not much to get excited about at that position.

Direckshun 01-10-2012 02:37 PM

Mack




Pouncey

Konz

Mack is the only center I've seen in my young lifetime that I'd drop a 1st on. And I would never have done it #12 overall.

Sometimes I think you're just trolling.

Urc Burry 01-10-2012 02:39 PM

Drafting a tackle out of BYU..I'm so surprised

Direckshun 01-10-2012 02:41 PM

Hey, we'd do well to land Matt Reynolds in the 2nd.

Saccopoo 01-10-2012 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durtyrute (Post 8282914)
Why no QB? Everyone wants a QB, but no one is picking one?

Because beyond the first two, there isn't much to get excited about. And barring a complete sell of the draft, we aren't going to move up for either Luck or Griffin.

Nick Foles is kind of a Cassel clone with a bigger arm. Athletic with prototype size, but the knock on him is that he has a tendency to lock onto his first receiver and never go away from him.

The guy I really like is Kellen Moore of Boise State, but he's 6'0", 185 lbs. and that makes him a late day draft pick in the modern NFL. However, the guy is an absolute winner - in fact, he's the winningest quarterback in college football history. With his destruction of Arizona State in the Maaco Bowl, he closed out his career with 50 wins. That's right. 50. And it's not like Boise State ducked anyone during his four years as a starter.

A career passer rating of 169.9 and a remarkable senior season with 3,800 yards on 326/439 passing and 43 TD's to 9 Ints (which was first in the FBS in completion percentage).

I wouldn't mind it a bit if the Chiefs picked him up in the fourth/fifth round if he was still there. Put him on the roster and see what happens. I wouldn't bet against him.

Add to that that they picked Stanzi last year. I'd really like to see him given a chance versus having Orton and Cassel both on the roster.

htismaqe 01-10-2012 02:49 PM

About the only thing I agree with is the analysis of Kellen Moore.

I like Konz but the love of OL is way over the top.

Saccopoo 01-10-2012 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8282953)
Mack




Pouncey

Konz

Mack is the only center I've seen in my young lifetime that I'd drop a 1st on. And I would never have done it #12 overall.

Sometimes I think you're just trolling.

I agree with you, but it's a different NFL and the center position is more valuable than it used to be. Hell, the other Pouncey brother got picked in the first to play center and he wasn't close to being as good as his brother at that position. Add to that that Konz is a junior. One more season and he would have the potential to be mentioned alongside Mack.

Like I said, it's a ten spot reach, but if the top three OT's are gone along with the two quarterbacks, Konz is as good at his position as anyone in the draft. It's as much a reach taking Konz at that point as it is Kuechly (who is also an absolute stud at his position, but you typically don't take a MLB that high either).

Direckshun 01-10-2012 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8283009)
I agree with you, but it's a different NFL and the center position is more valuable than it used to be. Hell, the other Pouncey brother got picked in the first to play center and he wasn't close to being as good as his brother at that position. Add to that that Konz is a junior. One more season and he would have the potential to be mentioned alongside Mack.

Like I said, it's a ten spot reach, but if the top three OT's are gone along with the two quarterbacks, Konz is as good at his position as anyone in the draft. It's as much a reach taking Konz at that point as it is Kuechly (who is also an absolute stud at his position, but you typically don't take a MLB that high either).

Under what circumstance would the top three OTs be taken along with the two QBs?

That would push sick talent down to the Chiefs. No need to spoil that by going in the other direction and reaching.

Saccopoo 01-10-2012 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8283001)
About the only thing I agree with is the analysis of Kellen Moore.

I like Konz but the love of OL is way over the top.

I think the Chiefs are in a bit of no-man's land at the #11 pick. It's likely that the two quarterbacks and three tackles are gone. (And I think Konz is better at his position than Riley and Martin are at theirs anyway.)

Other than Luke Kuechly and Peter Konz, who is in the draft that the Chiefs should take at that point that is going to be an upgrade to the team? One of the tackles, yes. If they fall. Other than that, I think a guy like Tannehill is a substantially bigger reach than Konz.

And please don't say Dontari Poe.

Dr. Gigglepants 01-10-2012 02:59 PM

As much as I would like to get one of the "other" qb's being talked about in the other thread at #12, I don't see Pioli doing it. I wouldn't mind a stud center, like you said, Weigmann is pushing 40.

Assuming the top tackles are gone I'd be for it. Our line needs upgrading, but it's not far from being a real strength for our team.

Direckshun 01-10-2012 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8283031)
I think the Chiefs are in a bit of no-man's land at the #11 pick. It's likely that the two quarterbacks and three tackles are gone. (And I think Konz is better at his position than Riley and Martin are at theirs anyway.)

Other than Luke Kuechly and Peter Konz, who is in the draft that the Chiefs should take at that point that is going to be an upgrade to the team? One of the tackles, yes. If they fall. Other than that, I think a guy like Tannehill is a substantially bigger reach than Konz.

And please don't say Dontari Poe.

Assuming they let Carr go, Kirkpatrick.

the Talking Can 01-10-2012 03:03 PM

unless we're trading down, that first pick is baloney

Albert isn't going anywhere, because he's a good LT, so the 2nd round pick is explicitly for a RT

Dorsey is one of the best run stuffing 3-4 DEs in the league and does not have a "tendency to get absolutely engulfed by NFL guards"...jesus drunken christ, but I'm fine drafting DL...

reaching for OL with our first two picks thankfully isn't going to happen, as pioli does generally show an eye for value

i like picks 4/5, don't know anything about 6/7...i'd rather trade down and grab a NT in the first 1st, OL in the second...

*edit

i like moore too, and wouldn't have any problem burning a late round pick on him

Pasta Little Brioni 01-10-2012 03:05 PM

You have the most outdated football takes I've ever seen. Building those trenches, the key to winning football in the twenty tens :drool:

LiL stumppy 01-10-2012 03:11 PM

If we can't get a QB in the draft, I don't see a problem with this. Would be a dominate OL.With that OL Orton/ Stanzi could be sucessful, and win a play-off game, no doubt in my mind.

I think if it's not a QB, move back, get a OT/G. And Bank on Orton/Stanzi for another year.

Urc Burry 01-10-2012 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8282967)
Hey, we'd do well to land Matt Reynolds in the 2nd.

I haven't seen him mocked in the 2nd at all, let alone of the top of it.

Same story every year.. Hmmmm let's draft some lineman from a shitty conference.. BYU, Utah, Boise State, and Wisconsin being my favorite.

Saccopoo 01-10-2012 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8283030)
Under what circumstance would the top three OTs be taken along with the two QBs?

That would push sick talent down to the Chiefs. No need to spoil that by going in the other direction and reaching.

1. Colts: Luck
2. Rams: Blackmon
3. Vikes: Kalil
4. Browns: Griffin
5. Bucs: Richardson
6. Skins: Kirkpatrick
7. Jags: Claiborn
8. Panthers: Couples
9. Dophins: Martin
10. Bills: Riley

So what sick talent is now at the Chiefs? Jeffery? Still? Floyd? DeCastro?

At this point, the pick should be either Konz or Kuechly IMO. Just fits with what the Chiefs need and they are the best two at their position, especially Konz as you could make the argument that Hightower is potentially a better 3-4 MLB with Kuechly's best fit in a 4-3. (Though I think he can play in either effectively.)

LiL stumppy 01-10-2012 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8283049)
You have the most outdated football takes I've ever seen. Building those trenches, the key to winning football in the twenty tens :drool:

Games are won up front, if you don't believe that, you have no real football knowledge. Simple.

DeezNutz 01-10-2012 03:13 PM

BYU player early. Shocker.

ChiefsCountry 01-10-2012 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiL stumppy (Post 8283080)
Games are won up front, if you don't believe that, you have no real football knowledge. Simple.

Games are won under center.

RealSNR 01-10-2012 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8282850)
Pretty good mock, except for the first round.

A center is just really, really silly to take in the first round.

Realisticaly, Pouncey, Wisniewski, and Hudson last year weren't centers. At least not the kind of centers you should draft high and build your franchise around. If you take a guy that high, you better be damn sure you're getting a great player.

Konz is a real center. He's fast, agile, big, and strong. With him, it wouldn't matter who was carrying the ball. Jamaal Charles could be our 4th and short running back with Hudson, Konz, and Asamoah.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-10-2012 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 8283088)
Games are won under center.

Why don't people understand this yet? Are they still watching 10 plus year old VHS tapes of games and haven't caught up to today's games.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-10-2012 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiL stumppy (Post 8283080)
Games are won up front, if you don't believe that, you have no real football knowledge. Simple.

So, you come from the past. Welcome to 2012 where QB's rule the league.

Saccopoo 01-10-2012 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urc Burry (Post 8283075)
I haven't seen him mocked in the 2nd at all, let alone of the top of it.

Same story every year.. Hmmmm let's draft some lineman from a shitty conference.. BYU, Utah, Boise State, and Wisconsin being my favorite.

Yeah...

Those shitty teams have put some shitty players into the NFL of late.

You obviously know a lot. It shows.

DeezNutz 01-10-2012 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8283100)
Why don't people understand this yet? Are they still watching 10 plus year old VHS tapes of games and haven't caught up to today's games.

And I don't understand why NFL execs aren't more open about the priority and significance of the position. For example, in his three years here, I can't remember Pioli ever speaking about the QB position more generally. He'll say some things about Cassel, sure, but not about the basic structure of the NFL...that's it's QB-driven.

Saccopoo 01-10-2012 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8283104)
So, you come from the past. Welcome to 2012 where QB's rule the league.

How many passes did Tebow complete when the Broncos beat the Chiefs in Arrowhead this past season?

And how many yards did Matt Stafford pass for the past two games, which were both losses?

You still have to control the line of scrimmage.

RealSNR 01-10-2012 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8282953)
Mack




Pouncey

Konz

Mack is the only center I've seen in my young lifetime that I'd drop a 1st on. And I would never have done it #12 overall.

Sometimes I think you're just trolling.

I'd put Konz above Pouncey and just a sliver below Mack. The Chiefs are getting a great player if they draft Konz.

They SHOULD trade up for a QB, but if they can't find a buyer (read: idiotically don't value the position enough) and some of those really great tackles are gone, then Konz is perfect. We could even do one of your trade down scenarios and grab him a few picks later.

Saccopoo 01-10-2012 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8283044)
...reaching for OL with our first two picks thankfully isn't going to happen, as pioli does generally show an eye for value

http://www.kcchiefs.com/assets/image...amp_8_1_11.jpg

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images...jpg?1283787304

durtyrute 01-10-2012 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8282983)
Because beyond the first two, there isn't much to get excited about. And barring a complete sell of the draft, we aren't going to move up for either Luck or Griffin.

Nick Foles is kind of a Cassel clone with a bigger arm. Athletic with prototype size, but the knock on him is that he has a tendency to lock onto his first receiver and never go away from him.

The guy I really like is Kellen Moore of Boise State, but he's 6'0", 185 lbs. and that makes him a late day draft pick in the modern NFL. However, the guy is an absolute winner - in fact, he's the winningest quarterback in college football history. With his destruction of Arizona State in the Maaco Bowl, he closed out his career with 50 wins. That's right. 50. And it's not like Boise State ducked anyone during his four years as a starter.

A career passer rating of 169.9 and a remarkable senior season with 3,800 yards on 326/439 passing and 43 TD's to 9 Ints (which was first in the FBS in completion percentage).

I wouldn't mind it a bit if the Chiefs picked him up in the fourth/fifth round if he was still there. Put him on the roster and see what happens. I wouldn't bet against him.


Add to that that they picked Stanzi last year. I'd really like to see him given a chance versus having Orton and Cassel both on the roster.

Thanks for that. I don't follow college as much as you guys and was curious.

the Talking Can 01-10-2012 03:47 PM

you don't have to tell me...

but he was much better with Berry and Baldwin, Hudson and Asamoah, even Arenas seems better in retrospect...

he grabbed Houston in the 3rd realizing the value, and let Powe drop and never reached...there are signs

htismaqe 01-10-2012 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8283119)
How many passes did Tebow complete when the Broncos beat the Chiefs in Arrowhead this past season?

And how many yards did Matt Stafford pass for the past two games, which were both losses?

You still have to control the line of scrimmage.

Yeah, because using all those high draft picks on offensive linemen has helped control the line of scrimmage for the Rams...

Pasta Little Brioni 01-10-2012 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8283233)
Yeah, because using all those high draft picks on offensive linemen has helped control the line of scrimmage for the Rams...

They scored what...10 points a game this year??? LMAO

How many wins and points did Carolina gain by snatching Newton?

LiL stumppy 01-10-2012 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 8283088)
Games are won under center.

Very true.

What's true is they both are important, with out both, your nothing.

htismaqe 01-10-2012 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiL stumppy (Post 8283254)
Very true.

What's true is they both are important, with out both, your nothing.

Tell that to the Saints.

Their starting center is Brian De La Puente.

DeezNutz 01-10-2012 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8283316)
Tell that to the Saints.

Their starting center is Brian De La Puente.

In fairness, imagine where De La Puente would be drafted today...

Dude has ****ing made Brees, a lowly second-rounder, play like a HOFer.

Mr_Tomahawk 01-10-2012 04:19 PM

Terrible Mock.

Urc Burry 01-10-2012 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8283110)
Yeah...

Those shitty teams have put some shitty players into the NFL of late.

You obviously know a lot. It shows.

Did I call them shitty teams?

How did your boy Zane Taylor turn out? And Brian Bulaga would of been such a steal at the 5th pick in the '10 draft!

Can I safely assume you are mormon for how biased you are of your Utah linemen?

Bewbies 01-10-2012 04:22 PM

The most surprising part of this mock is the absence of Albert bashing. A big step in the right direction.

Honestly, if that first pick can't be a QB nobody is going to be happy anyway...

htismaqe 01-10-2012 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 8283353)
The most surprising part of this mock is the absence of Albert bashing. A big step in the right direction.

Honestly, if that first pick can't be a QB nobody is going to be happy anyway...

Oh it's not absent. It's just more subtle.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...28&postcount=9

jd1020 01-10-2012 04:51 PM

Pretty much the only pick I like in this mock is the Cattouse pick. I've been pimping him in my mocks for a while.

Peter Konz at 11/12?
Matt Reynolds in the early second? The guy has a pretty universal 3rd-4th projection.
Derek Wolfe in the 3rd?
Vick Ballard in the 4th? Give me Robert Turbin in the 4th. Give me Vick Ballard/Tauren Poole in the 5th+.

No clue who the 5th/7th round picks are so I can't comment but they probably fall in line with the overall theme of the rest of this.

Saccopoo 01-10-2012 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8283233)
Yeah, because using all those high draft picks on offensive linemen has helped control the line of scrimmage for the Rams...

The Rams, to quote the crusader in Indiana Jones, picked poorly. I didn't like Smith going into the draft. I think Saffold, a second round pick, is pretty good, but is better suited to the right side. And, in all honesty, they don't have a very good interior line.

As much crap as I give Albert, he did have an okay year this past year. The Chiefs need a right tackle however. They also need a center.

With the defensive improvements that we've seen this past year and the return of Berry next season, having a bit more leverage in ball control situations (which we haven't had in the past couple years) would really benefit this team.

Guys like Konz and Reynolds added to what we already have would really solidify that aspect of the game. (And that has been a problem for this offense the past three or four seasons.)

Blick 01-10-2012 04:59 PM

Would take the OL picks if we got a QB like Moore later.

Damn the size, that kid can play.

Saccopoo 01-10-2012 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urc Burry (Post 8283348)
Did I call them shitty teams?

How did your boy Zane Taylor turn out? And Brian Bulaga would of been such a steal at the 5th pick in the '10 draft!

Can I safely assume you are mormon for how biased you are of your Utah linemen?

What does my religious affiliation have to do with anything? (Even assuming that I have a religious affiliation.) You have a problem with certain religions?

And I don't think that Bulaga matriculated at a Utah institution of higher learning.

As well, you did say "shitty conferences," which would imply the Big Ten, the Pac 12, the MWC (which has won a number of BCS bowls recently). Yep, those "shitty" conferences.

As well, I was advocating Taylor in the sixth round. I don't think that's too much of a reach for a player at a position that the Chiefs needed.

You are kind of an idiot, aren't you?

jd1020 01-10-2012 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8283440)
Pretty much the only pick I like in this mock is the Cattouse pick. I've been pimping him in my mocks for a while.

Peter Konz at 11/12?
Matt Reynolds in the early second? The guy has a pretty universal 3rd-4th projection.
Derek Wolfe in the 3rd?
Vick Ballard in the 4th? Give me Robert Turbin in the 4th. Give me Vick Ballard/Tauren Poole in the 5th+.

No clue who the 5th/7th round picks are so I can't comment but they probably fall in line with the overall theme of the rest of this.

AUBURN--Auburn junior tight end Philip Lutzenkirchen, who was a second-team All-Southeastern Conference selection in 2011, will return for his senior season. As a junior, Lutzenkirchen was third on the team in receptions (24) and receiving yards (238) while catching a team-high seven touchdowns.

"I'm excited to be coming back to Auburn for my senior season and help us work towards our goal we set every year, which is playing in the SEC Championship game in Atlanta," Lutzenkirchen said. "It was an easy decision to make and finishing 2011 with a win in the Chick-fil-A Bowl will be huge in helping us prepare for 2012."

A native of Marietta, Ga., Lutzenkirchen has 44 career receptions for 489 yards and 14 touchdowns. He is the school record holder for career touchdown receptions by a tight end.

"We're looking forward to Philip returning for his senior season," Auburn head coach Gene Chizik said. "The success he's had at Auburn will help provide great leadership for our team in 2012."

Auburn finished the 2011 season with an 8-5 record after defeating Virginia, 43-24, in the Chick-fil-A Bowl on Dec. 31.

...........

I still can't find anything on Caleb Mcsurdy. No one even so much as mentions his name.

EDIT: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...012&genpos=ILB

There he is!!!!!!!... the 46th ranked ILB according to nfldraftscout. Seems like a viable option for a draft pick.

O.city 01-10-2012 07:38 PM

If we are goin ILB, I'd take Hightower in the second and Nate Potter in the third if he is around.

Whatever happens in the 1st round, happens I guess. Konz isn't flashy but we do need a C.

Saul Good 01-10-2012 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8283119)
How many passes did Tebow complete when the Broncos beat the Chiefs in Arrowhead this past season?

And how many yards did Matt Stafford pass for the past two games, which were both losses?

You still have to control the line of scrimmage.

Tebow beat a combination of Cassel and Palko.



As for Stafford, he threw for 759 yards with 4 TDs and 3 INTs in the two games against the Saints.

Meanwhile, Brees threw for 801 yards, 6 TDs, and 0 INTs.


The better QB won both games.

Saccopoo 01-10-2012 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8283748)
If we are goin ILB, I'd take Hightower in the second and Nate Potter in the third if he is around.

Whatever happens in the 1st round, happens I guess. Konz isn't flashy but we do need a C.

Nate Potter is, like former Bronco Clady, going to end up on the left side of the line. He's very athletic with very good technique, but he's not a real power player. I think he'll be a pretty good pro, but he's going to have to be in the right system.

I seriously doubt Hightower will make it to the second round. He looks likes he's back to full speed, which is remarkable considering the massive damage his knee took in that malicious hit two seasons ago. He's got huge legs and can drive through most blockers. He's prototype for the 3-4 MLB position. He'll drop over concerns about his knee, but he won't drop too far. If he's there in the second, the Chiefs should seriously consider him.

Nightfyre 01-10-2012 10:09 PM

How did Sacc just out-sacc himself?

Chiefnj2 01-11-2012 09:36 AM

Chiefs Run Blocking Grades, per PFF

Wiegmann: -4.4 (26th out of 35)
Albert: -1.0 (32nd out of 76)
Asamoah: -12.3 (70th out of 77)
Lilja: -3.8 (40th out of 77)
Richardson: -19.5 (76th out 76)

Saccopoo 01-11-2012 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8284981)
Chiefs Run Blocking Grades, per PFF

Wiegmann: -4.4 (26th out of 35)
Albert: -1.0 (32nd out of 76)
Asamoah: -12.3 (70th out of 77)
Lilja: -3.8 (40th out of 77)
Richardson: -19.5 (76th out 76)

That looks about right.

Amazing how everyone thought that our guys were superlative run blockers when Charles was in there and when he goes down for the season, it's a different story. Weird.

El Jefe 01-11-2012 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8284981)
Chiefs Run Blocking Grades, per PFF

Wiegmann: -4.4 (26th out of 35)
Albert: -1.0 (32nd out of 76)
Asamoah: -12.3 (70th out of 77)
Lilja: -3.8 (40th out of 77)
Richardson: -19.5 (76th out 76)

Ouch!

The Franchise 01-11-2012 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8285124)
That looks about right.

Amazing how everyone thought that our guys were superlative run blockers when Charles was in there and when he goes down for the season, it's a different story. Weird.

Obviously a better RB is going to skew numbers.

Saccopoo 01-11-2012 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8285159)
Obviously a better RB is going to skew numbers.

I was being facetious and attempting to point out that everyone last year felt our offensive line was just fine because "Look! We are the number one rushing team in the league!"

Charles is that good, and was able to make Cassel a Pro Bowler and Albert and Richardson respectable in some peoples eyes. However, knowing the shelf life of a NFL running back is shorter than Howard Stern's unit, it still amazes me to see people advocating taking Trent Richardson, a young quarterback (Tannehill - and seriously, who in their right mind thinks Tannehill at #11 is a sane pick? That's ludicrious.), etc., when our offensive trench is so ineffective.

htismaqe 01-11-2012 01:17 PM

Given how strongly I feel about the idea of drafting Trent Richardson, I've decided to endorse Sac's mock draft.

:)

ToxSocks 01-11-2012 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8285556)
Given how strongly I feel about the idea of drafting Trent Richardson, I've decided to endorse Sac's mock draft.

:)

ok, now you've gone full reerun.

ToxSocks 01-11-2012 01:25 PM

I like the HB, TE, and SS picks. The rest of this thing can burn in a fire.

But hey, this is the first time in ages where drafting a lineman in the 1st isn't Completely reeruned, so enjoy your moment in the sun, Sacc.

htismaqe 01-11-2012 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 8285565)
ok, now you've gone full reerun.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 8285579)
I like the HB, TE, and SS picks. The rest of this thing can burn in a fire.

But hey, this is the first time in ages where drafting a lineman in the 1st isn't Completely reeruned, so enjoy your moment in the sun, Sacc.

Ahem.

Please be consistent. ;)

jd1020 01-11-2012 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 8285579)
I like the HB, TE, and SS picks. The rest of this thing can burn in a fire.

But hey, this is the first time in ages where drafting a lineman in the 1st isn't Completely reeruned, so enjoy your moment in the sun, Sacc.

The TE thats not even going to be in the draft.

Saccopoo 01-11-2012 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8285599)
The TE thats not even going to be in the draft.

I adjusted it. Took the tight end from Alabama rather than Lutz as you pointed out he's going back to school.

O.city 01-11-2012 07:20 PM

There aren't alot of TE's in this draft that really excite you. We need one tho. Would like to have one that could be of the basketball type.

O.city 01-11-2012 09:09 PM

Here is a scenario for you Sac, tell me what you think.


We draft BPA in the first round, draft Potter in the 2nd to play RT.

Sign Carl NIcks in free agency to play LG.

Thus giving us a line made up of Albert, Nicks, Hudson, Asamoah, Potter.

What ya think?

jd1020 01-12-2012 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8286717)
There aren't alot of TE's in this draft that really excite you. We need one tho. Would like to have one that could be of the basketball type.

Fleener in the 3rd or Egnew in the 4th, imo. Fleener would be a no brainer if he fell that far. Egnew will likely fall because of the unspectacular season he just put up. But hes got the size, hands, and speed to be good. He played football, basketball, and track in HS.

BigMeatballDave 01-12-2012 01:07 AM

LMAO Shocking

BigMeatballDave 01-12-2012 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8284981)
Chiefs Run Blocking Grades, per PFF

Wiegmann: -4.4 (26th out of 35)
Albert: -1.0 (32nd out of 76)
Asamoah: -12.3 (70th out of 77)
Lilja: -3.8 (40th out of 77)
Richardson: -19.5 (76th out 76)

What were they with JC running in 2010?

BigMeatballDave 01-12-2012 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8285124)
That looks about right.

Amazing how everyone thought that our guys were superlative run blockers when Charles was in there and when he goes down for the season, it's a different story. Weird.

Big ****ing surprise. Shitty running backs make average OL look shitty.

BigMeatballDave 01-12-2012 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Munson (Post 8282835)
True fans everywhere are fapping to the thought of taking a C and OT in the first two rounds. But to be fair, these are two positions in need of a major upgrade.

They are, but a quality C and RT can be had in later rounds. Sac is a True Fans wet dream.

BigMeatballDave 01-12-2012 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8282850)
Pretty good mock, except for the first round.

A center is just really, really silly to take in the first round.

Silly? Its ****ing stupid.

BigMeatballDave 01-12-2012 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 8282868)
we drafted a center in the 2nd last year, we're not drafting one in the first. That's just ****ing stupid.

True. But Hudson can play LG so C isn't a bad idea if you can get a good one. JUST NOT IN THE ****ING FIRST ROUND.

BigMeatballDave 01-12-2012 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by LiL stumppy (Post 8283080)
Games are won up front, if you don't believe that, you have no real football knowledge. Simple.

LMAO OK

Join us in 2012 where QBs rule.

NJChiefsFan 01-12-2012 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8285159)
Obviously a better RB is going to skew numbers.

Crappy runners will also skew it as well, just in the other direction. We went from a great back to Jones/Battle/McCluster. Charles probably helped the line more than those three hurt it, but its still looking at two extremes. Even if an average RB was used next year, the numbers might fall a little further in the middle.

Saccopoo 01-13-2012 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8287670)
They are, but a quality C and RT can be had in later rounds. Sac is a True Fans wet dream.

You are an idiot.

You can say that about every single position on the field.

With the new rookie pay scale, the positional value thing as it relates to the draft is minimized.

Konz is far and away the best center. We need a center.

Did you go ape shit crazy when we took a 3-4 defensive end or a safety with a top five pick the past two years? Because both of those positions are right there with Center and Right Tackle in terms of perceived positional value.

Or are you one of those reeruns that is happy overdrafting for a substandard quarterback because, well, "we need to take a quarterback, any quarterback, in the first round because we haven't done it in a long, long time."?

O.city 01-13-2012 08:05 PM

I'm actually fine with the first two rounds you have here Sac. I'd replace one of the picks with Chris Polks if he is still around. I don't really like Ballard that well but he would be alright.

O.city 01-13-2012 08:06 PM

The first two picks of this draft sure up the offensive line for the next 10 years.


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