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whoman69 02-01-2012 04:37 PM

Whoman69 Off-Season and Chiefs Mock
 
cut/not re-signed
Becht
Gregg
Jones
Langford
McGraw
Piscawhosis
O'Connell
O'Callaghan
Palko
Richardson
Wiegman
Urban

FA Manning, Flynn or Orton
Resign Bowe, Carr, Belcher

Draft

1. David DeCastro, G, Stanford
2. Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis
3. Nate Potter, OT, Boise St.
4. Ladarius Green, TE, Louisiana-Lafayette
5. Tavon Wilson, SS, Illinois
6. Russell Wilson, QB, Wisconsin
7. Bob Hebert, C, LSU
7b. Davin Meggett, RB, Maryland

aturnis 02-01-2012 05:05 PM

Russel Wilson? Really? Complete failure.

whoman69 02-01-2012 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8341685)
Russel Wilson? Really? Complete failure.

You're worried about a sixth round pick? Guy is an athlete and a leader. If he were bigger would probably project higher. For a project #3 starter you can't ask for much.

jd1020 02-01-2012 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8341687)
You're worried about a sixth round pick? Guy is an athlete and a leader. If he were bigger would probably project higher. For a project #3 starter you can't ask for much.

He's not just short. He's awful in the pocket. You can't get much closer to a wasted pick than Wilson, unless you are looking at him for a different position.

Bewbies 02-01-2012 05:31 PM

I will take a blown 6th on a QB that will never play in the NFL over a G at 11. Good grief...

milkman 02-01-2012 06:04 PM

Whatever we do this offseason, whether in the draft or free agency, we do need to address the second RB position.

Even if Charles comes back at 100%, he can not be expected to carry the load.

And you can not expect a 7th rounder to be the guy to share the load, and Jackie Battle is not the answer.

mnchiefsguy 02-01-2012 06:24 PM

Why do these mocks keep having us taking a guard at No. 11/12? Horrible positional value, if we are going to do that, we need to be trading down.

Munson 02-01-2012 06:35 PM

Taking a guard at #11 is like taking a 3-4 DE at #3. The value just isn't there. Even a RT at #11 is a terrible value. But it wouldn't surprise me if Pioli drafted a G or RT without trading down.

whoman69 02-01-2012 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 8341837)
Why do these mocks keep having us taking a guard at No. 11/12? Horrible positional value, if we are going to do that, we need to be trading down.

I hear that answer every year. Just trade on down. Must be real easy to do that. Who do you think the player is that will get to our spot that everyone wants to move up for. Don't mention moving down. Its a lazy answer. Plus you don't give your own alternatives.

jd1020 02-01-2012 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8342279)
I hear that answer every year. Just trade on down. Must be real easy to do that. Who do you think the player is that will get to our spot that everyone wants to move up for. Don't mention moving down. Its a lazy answer. Plus you don't give your own alternatives.

Even so, taking a G? We don't even really need a G. Just getting Wiegmann out of the middle can hold us for a year. Lilja still has 1 year left on his contract. BRich on the other hand needs to ****ing go, yesterday.

chiefforlife 02-01-2012 10:58 PM

NO WAY we cut Piscawhosis.:spock:

RealSNR 02-01-2012 11:10 PM

I know DeCastro is one-of-a-kind and all.

But jesus ****. Guard. A god damn ****ing guard.

aturnis 02-01-2012 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8342279)
I hear that answer every year. Just trade on down. Must be real easy to do that. Who do you think the player is that will get to our spot that everyone wants to move up for. Don't mention moving down. Its a lazy answer. Plus you don't give your own alternatives.

New England has no problems doing it.

Nor did McDaniels with Denver.

T-post Tom 02-01-2012 11:24 PM

FA: Carl Nicks

Also, wouldn't be surprised to see Cortland Finnegan or Brent Grimes brought in for a look if a deal with Carr goes south.

Chiefnj2 02-02-2012 11:54 AM

People make too much out of positional value. At the end of the day if you get an excellent player, it was a good pick. How hard did everyone laugh when the Raiders took a kicker in the first. He's won many a game for them.

whoman69 02-02-2012 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8342594)
New England has no problems doing it.

Nor did McDaniels with Denver.

New England is almost always at the end of the first round dealing with teams that want to move up from the 2nd. Easy to do considering they don't expect players to come in and start for them near the tail end of the first round.

To move down you have to have a player that other teams covet at your spot while not moving down to where the player your team covets would be picked. I hear people yelling trade down all the time.

whoman69 02-02-2012 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8342287)
Even so, taking a G? We don't even really need a G. Just getting Wiegmann out of the middle can hold us for a year. Lilja still has 1 year left on his contract. BRich on the other hand needs to ****ing go, yesterday.

Yeah, Lilja was great last year. A young DeCastro definitely would not be an upgrade.

ToxSocks 02-02-2012 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8343217)
People make too much out of positional value. At the end of the day if you get an excellent player, it was a good pick. How hard did everyone laugh when the Raiders took a kicker in the first. He's won many a game for them.

I agree.

I could give two shits about positional value.

BPA all the way.

Positional value can suck it.

jd1020 02-02-2012 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8343820)
Yeah, Lilja was great last year. A young DeCastro definitely would not be an upgrade.

Missed the point entirely...

Wiegmann and Lilja weren't great but Wiegmann, is hopefully retiring and Hudson is taking over. Now you've got Richardson over there at RT who couldn't block for a high school team. So you are looking at replacing Lilja, who has 1 year left, or Richardson, who's a FA, and you have seemingly equal value at both positions likely on the board and you choose to replace Lilja...

I'm not wanting to draft Trent Richardson in the first but I'd take him all day over DeCastro.

Tribal Warfare 02-02-2012 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8343217)
People make too much out of positional value. At the end of the day if you get an excellent player, it was a good pick. How hard did everyone laugh when the Raiders took a kicker in the first. He's won many a game for them.

He's a dick, alcoholic, and loose cannon, during one season off memory he had a seizure because he took too much Ecstasy at a night club.

O.city 02-02-2012 06:31 PM

I know some aren't big on Richardson and I'm not really high on him myself, but I ask myself, when discussing a potential draft pick, which one brings more to your team?

I think Richardson brings more to the Chiefs than DeCastro.

Think about it this way, if a rb with Richardson skills hits free agency ala Ray Rice or Matt Fotrte and a guard of Decastro's skill set, which one would teams rather pay big money for?

whoman69 02-02-2012 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8343871)
Missed the point entirely...

Wiegmann and Lilja weren't great but Wiegmann, is hopefully retiring and Hudson is taking over. Now you've got Richardson over there at RT who couldn't block for a high school team. So you are looking at replacing Lilja, who has 1 year left, or Richardson, who's a FA, and you have seemingly equal value at both positions likely on the board and you choose to replace Lilja...

I'm not wanting to draft Trent Richardson in the first but I'd take him all day over DeCastro.

If we can make a move to improve the team, make it, whether its for now or one year from now. I think the biggest team need we can draft for as a starter is at RT but the option at #12 is to draft a LT and move them over to right which from what we saw with Gaither isn't always a good move. The top RT is somewhere in the neighborhood of a round 2-3 pick. I think another pick here, though it would be a bit of a reach at #12 is Don'ta Hightower but that I would only do if not resigning Belcher.

jd1020 02-02-2012 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8344382)
If we can make a move to improve the team, make it, whether its for now or one year from now. I think the biggest team need we can draft for as a starter is at RT but the option at #12 is to draft a LT and move them over to right which from what we saw with Gaither isn't always a good move. The top RT is somewhere in the neighborhood of a round 2-3 pick. I think another pick here, though it would be a bit of a reach at #12 is Don'ta Hightower but that I would only do if not resigning Belcher.

Gaither didn't play. That's either because of Haley or Gaither truly did refuse to play RT.

Just to name a few college LT's that were recently drafted and play RT now... Bulaga, Oher, Solder. All I can think of off the top of my head.

whoman69 02-02-2012 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8344472)
Gaither didn't play. That's either because of Haley or Gaither truly did refuse to play RT.

Just to name a few college LT's that were recently drafted and play RT now... Bulaga, Oher, Solder. All I can think of off the top of my head.

Many RTs in the league were tried at LT and failed and moved to LT. You draft high to get an LT and when that doesn't work, move them to the right side. Many were saying we should do that with Albert.

Most reports I saw on Gaither as to why he didn't beat out Richardson was that he couldn't make the transition. You can't assume they will always be able to make that transition.

SAUTO 02-02-2012 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8344255)
I know some aren't big on Richardson and I'm not really high on him myself, but I ask myself, when discussing a potential draft pick, which one brings more to your team?

I think Richardson brings more to the Chiefs than DeCastro.

Think about it this way, if a rb with Richardson skills hits free agency ala Ray Rice or Matt Fotrte and a guard of Decastro's skill set, which one would teams rather pay big money for?

some guards have broken the bank lately, iirc steve hutchinson was one of the first.
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Nightfyre 02-02-2012 08:53 PM

I would say top 5 guards get more than top 5 RBs if I had to guess.

SAUTO 02-02-2012 08:59 PM

When was the last blockbuster fa rb signed? I mean by another team.
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Chiefnj2 02-02-2012 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8344546)
Many RTs in the league were tried at LT and failed and moved to LT. You draft high to get an LT and when that doesn't work, move them to the right side. Many were saying we should do that with Albert.

Most reports I saw on Gaither as to why he didn't beat out Richardson was that he couldn't make the transition. You can't assume they will always be able to make that transition.

I'm not sure those reports about not being able to make the transition are accurate. He played half of his college snaps at RT.

Bewbies 02-02-2012 10:52 PM

We have a good LT and shit at QB. Drafting to replace a good player trying to cover up the shit is dumb.

The fantasy of drafting a "franchise" LT around here is reeruned.

aturnis 02-03-2012 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 8344934)
We have a good LT and shit at QB. Drafting to replace a good player trying to cover up the shit is dumb.

The fantasy of drafting a "franchise" LT around here is reeruned.

Has anyone interested last week or even month suggested this?

The OT picks you see in the first round are taken to play RT. This last season buys Albert time to continue to grow at LT. Even with the fans.

Tribal Warfare 02-03-2012 02:57 AM

The more I think about it if the 1st round pick is Trent Richardson then it's a total Pioli ( to keep selling Cassel as a "good" QB) pick but if it's Poe then of course then it's a Crennel selection.

Bewbies 02-03-2012 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8345108)
Has anyone interested last week or even month suggested this?

The OT picks you see in the first round are taken to play RT. This last season buys Albert time to continue to grow at LT. Even with the fans.

Read the posts above mine.

jd1020 02-03-2012 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 8346091)
Read the posts above mine.

:hmmm:

Me thinks you should read the posts above yours.

aturnis 02-03-2012 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 8346091)
Read the posts above mine.

Nobody is saying to draft a LT. Period. They are talking about drafting a RT at #11/12. So your "franchise LT" comment is dumb.

Also, the sooner you eliminate all other possibilities of failure, the sooner they will point the finger at Cassel. Hopefully, by that time, Stanzi's developed into something resembling an NFL QB.

aturnis 02-03-2012 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8346259)
:hmmm:

Me thinks you should read the posts above yours.

Agreed.

O.city 02-03-2012 04:36 PM

We need a RT.


Take the best RT in the draft who actually played RT in college and a guy that could be had in the second round.

Massie from Ole Miss.

Bewbies 02-03-2012 05:30 PM

I missed the Gaither reference, my bad.

aturnis 02-03-2012 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8346472)
We need a RT.


Take the best RT in the draft who actually played RT in college and a guy that could be had in the second round.

Massie from Ole Miss.

Eh. Some draftniks are scratching their heads wondering why he declared early.

Tribal Warfare 02-03-2012 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8346740)
Eh. Some draftniks are scratching their heads wondering why he declared early.

probably family issues

gonefishin53 02-03-2012 11:53 PM

Massie seems to have a very professional attitude. Found this really positive story.

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/01/30/1...92&feedID=3659

Nightfyre 02-04-2012 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by gonefishin53 (Post 8347073)
Massie seems to have a very professional attitude. Found this really positive story.

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/01/30/1...92&feedID=3659

good read! rep!

ArrowheadMagic 02-04-2012 11:28 PM

Dont like taking a G at 11, but DeCastro's shelf life is longer than Richardson. 11 next year most likely gets us a QB, but we will be healthy next year and pick in the mid 20's. such is the life of a Chiefs fan.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-05-2012 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 8345166)
The more I think about it if the 1st round pick is Trent Richardson then it's a total Pioli ( to keep selling Cassel as a "good" QB) pick but if it's Poe then of course then it's a Crennel selection.

Tribal Milan, the draft whisperer folks.


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