Chiefs interested in Soliai and Manning could hold up FA in general
 

Soliai has suitors, but Peyton chase could be a factor
Posted by Mike Florio on March 13, 2012, 10:56 AM EDT

APMike Freeman of CBSSports.com raised an interesting point earlier today on Twitter.

“When does the Manning backlash begin?“

The answer could be “very soon,” when fans and media begin to realize that Peyton’s indecision could keep teams on the sidelines in free agency.

Multiple league sources have pointed out already that some teams will wait to see whether they land Peyton before opening the change purse for other players. One guy caught in that dilemma, we’re told, is Dolphins nose tackle Paul Soliai.

Soliai played under the franchise tag in 2011, and he’ll hit the market at 4:00 p.m. ET on Tuesday. A league source tells PFT that the Broncos, Dolphins, Chiefs, Colts, 49ers, Patriots, and Falcons are interested.

But three of those teams (Denver, Miami, San Fran) reportedly are (or, at to the Niners, may be) in the Peyton chase. And so, while other teams that aren’t maneuvering for Manning are interested in Soliai, it’s hard to max out the market if half of the interested teams are twiddling their thumbs for Peyton.

The Broncos have the cap space to allow them to start spending while waiting for Peyton. Still, they need to know how to best budget their money, especially if Peyton will be bringing Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark and Jeff Saturday.

Bottom line? While free agency begins in five hours, it may not really get going until Peyton picks a team.

If they want him, just sign him. Peyton isn't coming.

Factor in what you're planning to offer Manning (if we're still in the race) and proceed with your other signings.

Yep, and it may make him look at us closer with him aboard...

BTW, jsut saw this in the Broncos Mega thread--eat a bucket of dicks repost police.:p

This.

If anything we have an advantage for once. Make your moves now. If other teams want to twiddle their thumbs waiting on Manning, fine. Get guys now.

Manning is a non factor for us since he's not coming.

Yep. Shouldn't be too hard to allot the money for Manning and have a good idea, what's left over.

this is exactly what I was talking about. This is why Manning is a bad idea. The chiefs have the money to get a guy like Soliai and still have money for Winston or Grubbs, Tolbert, etc. Please Clark, spend some money on these free agents.

So the strategy is to surround bad qbs with an elite supporting cast.

That's like giving kirstie alley expensive beauty lessons.

So it'll be Manning's fault when we inevitably fail to sign Soliai?

The excuses from this organization get worse and worse.

This.

GODAMMIT SCOTT, THIS!!!

I was going to post the same thing. Let those other teams fight over Manning. I can live with Manning not liking us, but if we lose two guys we wanted to Denver I'll be a little disappointed.

No, but what else can they do? RGIII isn't an option. Manning isn't an option. Better continue to move the team in the right direction and either hope a mediocre qb can get us going until a better option is available.

Where are we gonna get a good QB?

We're stuck with Cassel, period. Should we just throw in the towel?

How about let's just move the team to LA, stop being fans, and move on with our lives.

(Wow, that's actually a GREAT idea...)

Since this is the most current PM thread:
 

More gas for the fire...

QUOTE: (Yahoo's Michael Silver, re: Top teams in PM sweepstakes)

10. Kansas City Chiefs: New coach Romeo Crennel caused a stir at the combine by saying he “would be crazy not to consider” signing Manning were the quarterback to become available, which kind of sounded like tampering. In my opinion, Manning would be crazy to consider the Chiefs. Yeah, they have a big-time halfback in Jamaal Charles (coming off a torn ACL), a potential star in talented wideout Dwayne Bowe and some good players on defense, but there are plenty of reasons for Manning not to come to K.C. The first is the presence of newly hired offensive coordinator Brian Daboll – ask the Browns’ Colt McCoy how he thinks Manning might enjoy playing for such a coach. Another is general manager Scott Pioli, whose control-freak tendencies likely wouldn’t allow for a quarterback who desires near autonomy. (If nothing else Manning, were he to sign with the Chiefs, should keep his cell-phone number a secret.) I’m sure Manning is also thrilled that Pioli decided to waive veteran offensive lineman Brian Waters before the 2011 season. Waters jumped to the Patriots and made the Pro Bowl blocking for Tom Brady. Bottom line: I don’t see Manning in a Chiefs uniform, at all.

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Seriously......Manning isn't coming here. Go get Soliai and Winston right ****ing now.

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Free Agent Paul Soliai Reportedly Drawing Interest From Chiefs


Miami Dolphins defensive tackle Paul Soliai is a guy we've talked about around here a few times, including this morning in my post about the free agents the Kansas City Chiefs should pursue.

It appears the Chiefs feel the same way. Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk reports the Chiefs are among a number of teams that have interest in Soliai including his soon-to-be-former team Miami Dolphins as well as the Denver Broncos, Indianapolis Colts, San Francisco 49ers, New England Patriots and Atlanta Falcons.

This smells like an agent-driven report to me so keep that in mind. But Soliai does seem to make a lot of sense for the Chiefs. One of the positions we've been focusing on with the Chiefs No. 11 pick in the 2012 NFL draft is nose tackle and adding Soliai would solve that problem. He's young (28), big (6'4" and 355 pounds) and, on the surface, makes sense with the Chiefs.

Check out this post from Pro Football Talk where they're wondering if the Peyton Manning sweepstakes will affect Soliai's free agency bid.

I hate to go all truefan here, but take a look at this team with a couple of additions and easy draft picks:

Sign Soliai
Sign Winston
Sign Orton
Draft DeCastro (Richardson is gone with the RGIII deal, IMO)

We would have the best offensive line in football and it wouldn't even be that close. We would have a QB that has proven capable of throwing for 3,500+ yards when given time and a supporting cast. Good lord - how do you stop us from running right with DeCastro and Winston over there? And we're not exactly dogmeat with Albert and Asomoah on the other side. Especially when you have to respect Moeaki in the seam, Baldwin deep and Bowe over the middle...y'know, since we have a real QB at that point.

We would have an extremely young defense with literally not a single real hole, though you'd like to see a more dynamic threat at the DEs, that's just not how Romeo plays.

Those 4 moves are extremely doable and would make us a legitimate contender. Use a 2nd rounder on David Wilson, a 3rd on Broyles, a 4th on a TE...

We'd be ready to rock.

That team can win a championship. It's not sexy, it's not flashy, but it's incredibly doable.

If they were to sign Soliai, Winston, and cut Cassel, it might distract me somewhat from the Manning debacle.

If Denver gets Manning and Soliali i'll cry.

This post is so good, it's worthy of my rep... and that's the best rep of all.

Get Eric Winston and Paul Soliai in here now and don't wait. Screw Manning at this point.

ahhhhh


DJ has gone all truefan on us!

But yeah, i see what you're saying. Though I'd keep Asomoah at RG though just for continuity.

But other than that, yeah, I'll buy it.

I like the sound of that.

Add in a #2 RB (Addai, BJGE) and we're golden.

David Wilson is your #2 RB and potentially another Jamaal. Kid can play.

Nah. Much rather draft a young speedy back rather than sign another broke dick. We don't need Thomas Jones Part II

He's probably going to go in the late part of Round 1.

Asomoah at RG might be even better, to tell you the truth.

DeCastro is a more rounded guard than Asomoah and can help cover Albert if he struggles against elite rushers. Winston is going to be a better run-blocker than Albert, so putting the overall stronger guard in DeCastro over by Albert may help 'balance' our strength along the line.

I put Asomoah at LG just because I've always planned on having him replace Waters over there long-term, but in all reality, DeCastro at LG and Asomoah at RG probably gives us a slightly stronger line on balance.

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Hmmm....that sucks. I had gotten used to see him behind Miller (foolishly, really).

Miller with the #2 is fine as well; he's just not as shifty as Wilson. He's more of a Michael Bennett type; see edge, run at edge, hope he beats you to it. He's not as fluid and won't have quite the upside.

But in all honesty, with that line in front of him, beating teams to the edge is probably going to be a pretty common occurrence.

Thomas Jones was a good #2 in his first year here.
We don't need an all-world back in that role.
Just someone who can pick up a blitz, catch the ball out of the backfield and help in short-yard situations. That said, I'm not opposed to drafting a RB.

DJ made me hate the Chiefs a little less today.

If this happened, Manning can take his long ass broke neck to Dungver and we'd still kick their asses.

What about Michael Bush? Big, Physical, not too many miles on him, what, in his fourth year? Nice one two three punch with JC, Dex, and Bush.

The offense with Cassel will struggle again. Will have to rely on the running game. Sign Winston and Nicks/Grubbs. Maybe Dallas Clark.

With no decent FA QB's out there, only other option is to bolster the D. Sign Soliai.

The more I read here, the more I don't give a flying **** that we're not getting Peyton Manning.

he's broken; just like Moeaki

Winning ugly like you have described above looks more and more like the only way we will ever be able to compete for a championship.
If we continue to improve this team we will continue to win a game or 2 more ever season. Moving us further and further down the draft board.
With the new rookie contract system more teams are willing to draft a QB early in the first or trade up if they have to because the risk is so much lower.
We already seen that it took 2 1st rounders and a 2cd rounder to move up 4 spots. What is it going to take next year if we are setting at 15 or 16?

I don’t care what we do with the other 21 positions, if our starting QB is Matt Cassel, we aren’t winning a playoff game next season.

We'll never actually compete for a championship if we're forced to "win ugly".

It seems like 9-7 and an occasional playoff win is about all we can hope for.

Keep saying it if it makes you feel better.

But the Ravens and 49ers were both muffed special teams plays away from beating 2 of the 6 best QBs in the NFL to go to the Super Bowl last year.

It can be done - you just don't have as great a margin for error. With those moves, you don't need one.

Yeah if we were to make moves like those that DJ posted we might even go 11-5 with Cassel, like he did in New England. We all know it was because of the supporting cast!!!
Then either get put out in the first round, as usual, or might even get a win which we would all love. But that is as far is it will go with Cassel IMO.

Close only counts in horseshoes and hanggernades.

The Ravens and 49ers were both muffed special teams plays away. Just like the Chiefs in 1995 and how many other dozens of teams over the years?

The 2000 Ravens are an anomaly.

Yes, it can be done. But holding your breath waiting for the 1 in 100000 chance is going to end up with you suffocating, not with the Chiefs ground-pounding their way to a Super Bowl...

Cassel would not be the starter with the moves I suggested.

If we make all the moves DJ posted, then we wouldn't have Cassel starting anymore....

No, Orton would be. And he's not really an upgrade.

Yes he is just for the simple fact that our D would get more rest. That alone is an upgrade.

I don't know if that could win a championship but if Manning isn't coming to us I would be ok with this. It is better than rolling out Cassel on day one.

Who's holding their breath here?

For the most part, it only seems to be the QB ideologues that are going to hold their breath and stamp their feet until the Chiefs just conjure a 'franchise QB' from whole !@#$ing cloth.

There isn't one available - there just isn't, not this season. Manning's not coming here, Flynn is just another Cassel, Tannehill is just not a smart pick given the talent available on the board. He may be good in 3 years, but in the next 3 years we can likely find someone just as talented (Tannehill is a 2nd rounder any other season).

Please God, quit repeating yourselves. We all know it's easier to win with a premier QB in this league but you can't just create one - you have to have one available to you. In lieu of same, find someone you can win with and surround them with the best team possible.

Eliminating the QB position, that team would be the best team in the AFC. What else can you ask for? Given the circumstances we find ourselves in, it's possible to construct a Super Bowl contender. I'd say that's a pretty exciting idea.

Or hell, just keep holding your breath and stomping your feet. I'm sure that will fix everything.

The rest of us will actually operate in the realm of reality.

I view Orton and Cassel in the same breathe. Orton has always struggled in the red zone. I don't think that Orton will come here since Pioli isn't going to cut Cassel. This will be Cassels last opportunity.

Don't forget we are going to sign Brady ****ing Quinn to take us to the ship.

Say it with me folks. Tank! :P

Its going to work out okay for Indy.

Is the end result going to be more playoff wins? Highly doubtful given his career thus far...

If that happens.....I'm going to get soooooooo much shit.

signing guys and making a splash should help sign Manning imo

you can always 'find' the cap room

I've already accepted reality.

This team isn't going to win a thing.

I agree with your entire plan all the way up to, but not including, signing Orton.

Orton and Cassel aren't that different. The BIG difference is that Orton is a free agent and it will cost MUCH more to sign him.

If we're going to get Solai and Winston and make all these moves, we're MUCH better off just keeping Cassel and working on the QB position later.

I don't know how anyone could watch the way Orton played last season vs. the way Cassel played last season and see them as the same caliber player.

Orton did basic quarterback things like look of DBs and slide his protection that Cassel never did. He kept plays alive and found his 3rd reads unlike Cassel. He kept drives moving; even the ones that stalled in the red zone (often with a Bowe drop, a Jones stumble or an O'Connell...well whatever the !@#$ O'Connell did); unlike Cassel.

The eye test couldn't have yielded more dissimilar results. He simply plays the position correctly. Sometimes he's too aggressive, but with a defense like the Chiefs will have next season, that's fine; aggressive can be good.

The end result is not more WINS, and that's the only thing that matters.

Orton beat the Packers

something Cassel will never be able to do.

That alone is enough for me.

I think you are going to find out that the way QB's are drafted now is going to be way different than how it use to be. The risk now is very low compared to the reward.

/ Clark

That and he'll have an entire offseason with Bowe, Baldwin and Breaston. He's already shown what he can do with Brandon Lloyd FFS.

Manning would bring a lot of excitement, but I think Soliai/Winston/Orton haul would make us just as much favorites in the AFC West as the Broncos will be with Manning. With or without Manning we would still need to be looking under every rock for a QBOTF

The defense beat the Packers.

They barely averaged 2 TDs a game with Orton. The only thing more pathetic than that is the fact that we, as fans, have been reduced to pinning our hopes on someone like KYLE ORTON.

It would make us the favorites in the West, but what about the AFC?

I'm kinda tired of trotting out teams like this one...

I'm sorry - did I miss the way we ended last season?

We were absolutely getting more WINS under Orton last year. If the damn FG unit could block Richard Seymore, he goes undefeated as a starter and somehow gets us into the playoffs.

The WINS came when Orton took over. The offense improved a great deal, hell the defense got better when it didn't have to spend as much time on the field.

You want to play the "winning is the only thing" card - be my guest. This team was a legitimate winner under Kyle Orton; it was not under Matt Cassel.

As am I, but what can we do about it? We can't force Manning to sign here. We can't get one of the top 2 picks in the draft.

No our Defense beat the Packers. Orton just happened to be the QB in that game.

I think an offseason with Orton as the starter would benefit out entire team. We need a guy who can stretch the field, which Matt could never do. This team would rock if we had a 300 yd/game QB. That's Orton.

So just head to your lab and build us a prototype QB.

What's your plan? You have mine - what's yours? The Redskins and Colts aren't moving their picks. Are you really going to advocate Tannehill? Okay, but you'll probably have to give up a 3rd to move up and grab him; seems like the Dolphins with Sherman may be hard after him.

There are doable steps that can make this team a legitimately excellent team (and yes, I would say possible favorites in the AFC) - how would you do it?

Kyle Orton isn't going to be that QB that puts the team on his back and takes them to the promise land. Orton is that QB that will allow your team to play to its strengths and not **** you when the game is on the line.

Cassel is neither.

Orton and his 300 yards passing, as well as clutch 3rd down conversions to Breaston as he was going through his reads had nothing to do with keeping the defense fresh or the Packers offense off the field.

Right.

looking like our best option now

Think it's kind of funny that nobody is taking into account the more than likely chance that the team's discipline goes to pot next season with Club Romeo..

Soliai, Winston and Orton in FA allows this team to go ANYWHERE it wants in the draft. Pioli can trade down if the value isn't there. He can stay put and draft DeCastro to shore up the line. Shit....he can even take a flyer and draft an OLB so that we have depth at that position.

Well....here's to hoping Orton stays here. God help us all if Cassel is under center Week 1.

With either QB the end result will be a FEW more wins. And yes it is going to take a lot of luck but we can compete for a championship in this manner. Not going to say we will win one but we can compete.

Where are you getting that? It should give us a leg up since Manning told Clark and the gang to eff off.

Because Haley was the epitome of calm, cool and collected.