Don Stephenson
 

Blue Springs!

Beats the heck out of Gene Stephenson.

**** PIOLI!!!

Isn't it great drafting people to replace our previous draft picks so we don't have to sign our good players to a second contract?

Does this work for QB as well?

I'll let you know as soon as we have a good QB.

It just feels like too much to hope for that we got a franchise NT in the first and a franchise LT in the third.

Poe is our future five tech DE after they let Dorsey walk/he walks after the 2012 season. I don't see him at the nose.

Jackson/Powe/Poe

And I do think that Stephenson has the potential to be a starting LT, especially in this system. A pretty superb fit.

Not if you're hoping for another 7-9 season.....

Why are you saying this? Resigned Hali, Charles, DJ and Flowers. Carr wanted to leave. Bowe talk is rumors.

Isn't it great drafting people to replace our previous draft picks so we don't have to sign our good players to a second contract?/Carl & Herm

With Scooter Peeholey running this assclown circus?

You bet.

will be interesting to see how far Ta'amu and Chapman drop. If pioli has any doubts at all on Poe, we should be looking at one of these two. Couldn't hurt to have an extra NT around since this has been such a position of need over the years

You mean like DJ, Charles, Flowers or Hali? Just because we didn't want to invest 50 million dollars in our number 2 CB and might be willing to let Albert walk most likely due to him wanting top LT money and not being a top LT, doesn't mean we won't resign our good players. Albert is average and consistent but he is not dominant or elite and it wouldn't hurt to at the very least provide him with some compeition. We just have to be smart about who we place these large sums of cap room with.

I was referring to this in the OP:

I keep seeing people say the Chiefs should draft so and so so they don't have to re-sign Carr/Bowe/Dorsey/Albert etc (I know in some cases, like Carr, you have no choice). I just think it's dumb to let good players walk and then burn a high pick to replace them.

In this case, I have no idea if Pioli took him for that reason or just because he felt he was BPA.

Frosty, all most people have done on CP for weeks is bitch about our lack of a quality QB, right? In the process, we have seen countless posts about how meaningless our offensive line is (strangely, the Chiefs apparently disagree).

Free agency means guys can sign anywhere they want to sign, right? You seem to complain no matter what the circumstance, so answer this...what would you have the Chiefs do? Not have somebody ready to take over if Albert leaves? Is that wise in your opinion? What is Albert gets hurt? We have NOTHING behind him...all o-line depth was gone prior to today.

You don't just let good players walk, but you can't stick your head in the sand and assume that any team will be able to keep all of their free agents.

I don't want to resign Dorsey, for instance. He doesn't make sense for this defense and he costs way too much for what he produces. Carr was a loss, but hopefully not one we can't replace.

BTW, compensatory picks are a really good thing. Carr is going to play a lot in Dallas. That means KC will get a high draft pick from the NFL because Carr left KC with no compensation being given in return.

We let one player walk, IT'S THE BEGINNING OF THE END!!

Well said. Let's see how Carr responds when he has to be the #1 CB. Flowers carried the load last year and did it well. Carr may develop into something special, but he's replaceable.

With Claiborne there I wonder if he will be the #1 for long. They paid him (Carr) for it but made up for that by drafting the best corner available; pisses me off.

No worries mdchiefsfan. Dallas needed two CBs in reality. They should be set if Mo Claiborne is as good as expected. I would fight to keep Flowers in town...Carr, a nice player, but he isn't great.

Stephenson's story is pretty cool. I didn't realize that he was a local kid and a life-long fan of the team. I didn't even know the NFL did local pro days (neat little video on the Chiefs website about it). We get stuck in all that draft hubub, who should go where, we should've taken player x, y and z instead, and sometimes miss the neat sidebar stuff.

Yea I agree, call me spiteful but I wanted to see Carr swamped with his new responsibilities and this is a way out for him.

I don't think all teams do the local pro days. I believe it's new to the Chiefs since Pioli's been here...

That's awesome. I didn't know that thanks for the info

Chiefs had them under Peterson.

Crennel himself said he's playing NT/Under Tackle in sub formations. Bailey will be the main man after next year at DE.

I don't know, tonight's the first time I heard about them. Judging by the video, teams are allowed to invite any players from within 40 miles of the metropolitan area where the team resides. They were kind of joking how different it is for some teams, mentioning Miami and how they could bring in every Hurricane player if they want, whereas the Chiefs have to scour local kids (regardless of the college they attended) as well as players at local universities, which here means small schools. KU and K-State are too far away.

I don't know a whole lot about it though, just what I could gather from the video. Neat idea, in any case, reminds me of the scouting camps local minor league baseball teams ran back when I still played.

That's all nice but does he have long arms?

Very.

35".

All I do is complain? Yeah, that's really been my MO in the 11+ years I've been here. Feel free to bite me.

I've discussed it plenty in the draft thread but I wouldn't worry about replacing Albert until I actually had to. They did pick up a nice player in the 2nd who could have backed up the tackle position in a pinch. Also, this is a fairly deep o-line draft and there are still some decent tackles available if you want to provide depth. As I discussed (not complained) before, it seems like a high #3 pick should be used on someone that will get on the field, either as a starter, a ST player and/or a rotation player. QB and O-line are kind of unique in that they don't tend to share time like other positions, so a backup tackle is only going to see the field in an emergency.

However, after thinking about it for a while, I think they were fully intent on taking the safety Taylor there. When SD sniped him, they simply took the BPA, which happened to be a LT. So be it. Pioli did a nice job of extending Flowers, Charles and Hali so I hope he can extend Albert and Bowe and we don't have to waste a pick in the future to replace those guys.

BTW, I agree that Dorsey probably won't be back unless it's super cheap. He hasn't really fit since the change to a 3-4, though he's done as well as can be expected. I would have understood taking Brockers in the first because of that.

and others could be following in Carrs footsteps/mentality very soon. (Bowe, Albert, Dorsey)

if those guys want money, they wont find it with the Chiefs, that's for sure

The said QB still has a few years in his first contract. :banghead:

I highly doubt that Stephenson was the BPA at that point. When I look at the players taken after him, some seem to be more highly regarded, at least according to draft 'gurus.'

This pretty much is a predictor of our 1st rounder next year. Sorry folks, it won't be a QB.

Several reports had him very high in the 3rd.

You don't have to fill the DE with a first.

That said, I saw quite a few projections before the draft that Poe projected more to a 5 tech than a NT. We might be seeing Poe at DE and Powe at NT next year. Who knows?

He's gonna be unstoppable in the open field. Just get Don the ball in space, and he is going to break some ankles. We got a freak athlete, and our offense is going to be unbelievable!!

They could be following Carr's footsteps or they could follow Hali, Johnson, Charles, Flowers' footsteps, why jump to conclusions and assume the worst?

You may think Poe is our future 5 tech, but I'm pretty sure Romeo Crennel said specifically that he was going to learn to play the nose exclusively.

I'm not buying your bull.

Mayock had Poe going to the Broncos. After we took him they traded all the way out of the first round. But they jumped us in round 3 to get the safety I think we were going to pick.

because signing all three to contracts they would want would put us in cap hell. 1 of them definitely walks, maybe 2. it doesnt and will never make sense financially to tie all 3 guys up in the offseason to long term deals. impossible. We wouldnt be able to spend the following season

the chargers jumped us in round 3.

Sounds like your theory could hold water, next time we see Knowmoe2724 we will pressure him for answers what going on.

Come on, you mean you don't think they drafted a 6'4, 350-pound guy to play end?

Crazy!

I figured we'd get to see what the FO was thinking as far as Albert was concerned by who they picked. It looks like we may be doing this all over again next year.

Allen replaces Lilja & The Don replaces Albert & we're back to where we were.

During the season Winston will be 29 and Albert 28. I think rather than being some devious move regarding Albert's future contract negotiations, that this is perhaps more about Stephenson being the best player on their board at the time, and how he can potentially provide some depth for both players for now, while he seasons, and then potentially replace one not necessarily in 2013, as people conjecture, but 2-4 years down the line. He may not even be ready before then.

In any event, quality depth is never a bad thing. Before today, either Albert or Winston going down would have been a veritable disaster (and still may be, as raw as Stephenson is said to be, but there's talent and potential there with him that we clearly didn't have...).

Believe you are correct keg. Stephenson will be the swing tackle. I hope people didn't believe Mims was that player. We still could use a backup at center and help at safety for depth. A young rb and wr wouldn't hurt either.

With the rosters expanding to 90 players for OTA's and training camp, will be interesting who the Chief's bring in after the draft this afternoon.

I highly doubt this team doesn't resign Branden Albert, we just have 0 depth at the position.

I don't hate the pick I understand you have to be strong on the lines to win, it's just generally something that isn't exciting on draft day.

this

last year we got houston and country strong in the 3rd....this year we got a developmental tackle...

i'm pretty sure they like and will resign albert, not so sure about bowe

A lot of people would tell you Bailey was a workout warrior by the way.

True that. It's boring as hell.

The irony is that this is exactly the kind of draft day(s) we've all expected to have for years, but instead of skill players like Baldwin or McCluster or Arenas, we go all big bodies, and still there's a pretty vocal outcry against it. When we take skill players we wonder why it isn't linemen, and when we take linemen people are like WTF?!

I think we've turned into one of those fanbases that just automatically reacts to everything like it's the wrong move and it's going to fail. Which isn't all that surprising considering the last two decades of Chiefs failball.

We also react to things very kneejerk like I got pissed it wasn't a safety mainly because i don't want to see Jon McGraw again.

sure, but he was drafted in the 3rd where they belong

truthiness

most of the last two drafts have been cheered...last year was a 3 day love fest for all our picks and pioli

all our FA acquisitions last year and this year were cheered...and pioli praised for the acquisitions

it's really a myth that all people do is complain...most people have specific reactions, then guys like petey and chiefszilla and that one pats fan show up and whine about there not being 100% compliance

I think it's a universal thing, not necessarily a chiefs thing. The way the draft is now with the days of shows on ESPN and NFLN leading up to it, all these internet "experts" blogging and running sites, by the time the big day hits everybody has their own guys that they want drafted, and (particularly outside of the first half of the first round) the teams rarely do what any of us expect. There's always a degree of disappointment that comes with that.

As for here, specifically, I think part of my interpretation of the place may have to do with the decade plus of near-incessant complaining about the GM at the time, whether it's Carl or Pioli. It's kind of what we do. You have one side bitching about the GM, one side bitching about the people bitching about the GM, then in turn the first side bitches about them bitching about bitching about the GM, and on and on like a merry-go-round.

It's kind of funny. A lot of the talk here is just the same people having the same arguments year after year. The player names are interchangeable.

We're like old married people.

Still a lot of good options for skill position players left for the taking. If they don't grab one today, yeah I'll be pissed.

Hopefully Pioli is reading this, because nobody wants that. :D

good question.

LMAO

You know what would be dumber? Not having a ****ing contingency plan in place if Alberts expectations are through the roof. Why are people bitching about this?

Yeah, its NOT sexy pick, poor guy didnt even get his own thread until several hours afterwards... but i agree, not every pick can be sexy, quality depth is always a good idea.

This is a reasonable post. I agree. I think Albert deserves a new contract though.

People would be bitching if we signed Manning.

I don't hate the philosophy behind the selection; it's actually pretty sound. However, my initial thought was that this particular player was/is a reach. Time will tell, though.

His picture kinda reminds me of a young Brian Waters.

I'm not against resigning him for a cap friendly deal. But even if we do, still we need these picks! The depth on the Oline before the draft was very thin.

Backups:
60 Bruggeman, Rob C 6-4 293 26 1 Iowa
66 Harris, Darryl G 6-4 300 27 1 Mississippi
70 Mims, David OL 6-8 335 23 1 Virginia Union

Haloti Ngata has played end in Baltimore's 34 almost exclusively for his entire career.

If Poe can translate that freak athleticism and strength to the field on a consistent basis at the next level, he's a better five tech DE than NT.

Personally, it's irrelevant to me where he plays.

I don't post on this board often, especially since I have been a.member so long, but when I do, it is to question people who say crazy things. And my question to you is how in the hell do you really think Carr was our #2 corner?

This may have been the most amazing thing I have ever seen in all my years here, and I have been here since the very beginning.

yep, Mayock had this kid as a fourth rounder.

That's funny. I didn't know I was a fan of the front office. But thank you for pointing that out to me.

It has been a long, dry spell since football has been played. The fans on this board wait along time for the next major NFL event like the draft. Then they act like a cornered animal, and come out fighting mad clawing and scratching, throwing punches like there is no tomorrow.

I'll admit it is funny to watch the reactions. As a rule it is like a mob scene, if someone disagrees with them they are ganged and beaten on to a pulp.

Then later when they come to their senses and their little minds starts to churn. "Well, its a good pick after all, this kid is pretty darn good actually."

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I think we've turned into one of those fanbases that just automatically reacts to everything like it's the wrong move and it's going to fail.

Yeah, years of consistency built it.

You're a fuggin idiot, watch either Pioli's or RAC's post draft conferences and they both say the word "nose" about a thousand time's each. Powe is obviously shit, if he lasted until the 6th round last year, got virtually zero playing time last year, and we just burned a first round pick to solidify his position.

Stick to jerking off over O-lineman K?

He banged out 19 reps at the combine. A G/T who can't bench? Better learn to play with a TON of leverage.

You need to get off this shit asshole. Regardless if you like him or not hes in the nfl for a ****ing reason. If he was released he would be on a roster.So stfu.

:spock:

Who gives a **** if he's on a roster somewhere?

He's a backup quality QB, at best, starting on our team.

He sucks ass, like almost every other backup and third string QB in the NFL.

But, I'll give him this.

He's a better QB than you are a poster.

That's a hell of an accomplishment on your part.

Congratualtions dumbass.

LMAO

Yeah, as a back up

And if he didn't have a contingency plan in place, we'd be completely ****ed if someone offers Albert some crazy ass Redskins or Cowboys offer.
Drafting for depth is just that.
THAT is why the Steelers are the Steelers. Because they can constantly let guys walk, and have an already up to speed guy on the roster. That's what good drafting has done for us. We're drafting OL depth......in the rounds it should be drafted in.

God - people are still yammering on about this?