Pioli Deserves Props
 

The NFL draft is a lot like Christmas morning. There is a lot of anticipation leading up to the big day, and when the time finally arrives to see what’s under the tree for us we can sometimes be a little disappointed.

We all remember the Christmas that we got everything we wanted. For Chiefs fans that was last year. We got a QB, WR, DBs, and LBs. Heck we even liked the more practical gifts like a Rodney Hudson. Frankly, the 2011 draft gave us a lot to play with, and we used them.

After a big year like 2011, some of you seem down. Sure we got the big present we always talk about (NT), but its’ not as cool as we thought it would be. We also ended up with some more practical gifts than we expected.

Here is how I view this draft, and to be honest I’m pretty stoked about it.

After having a draft like we did in 2011 where we seemed to hit on almost every pick, it wasn’t necessary for the Chiefs to snag additional pass rushers to sit behind guys like Hali and Houston. While we are still a little shallow when it comes to the safety position and could use some depth at center, the Chiefs are well positioned. In fact, I think the practicality of the 2012 Chiefs draft will allow them the flexibility in future drafts to aggressively seek out play makers to add to this team.

If there is one thing that I think Pioli deserves credit for, it’s rebuilding the Chiefs offensive live. While Albert was already hear when he arrived, Pioli not only filled a glaring hole at RT when he signed Eric Winston, but his last three drafts has set the Chiefs on a course to maintain a quality offensive line for years to come.

Many on this board recoiled at any suggestion that the Chiefs should use their first round pick on a lineman. After all the heated debates about the value of DeCastro, Pioli seems to agree with those who don’t want to invest first round picks on the line. Maybe instead of bitching that we didn’t have the Steelers’ draft, some of you should praise Pioli for doing exactly what you advocated for.

In the last three years, Pioli has taken four offensive linemen in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft. Asamoah and Hudson are now starters. Jeff Allen is going to push Ryan Lilja for a starting spot at guard, but is more likely to be seasoned for a year before finding a permanent home on the life. I know it’s sometimes hard to get excited about the offensive line, but Pioli obviously has a process that seems to be working really well.

Picking back-to-back tackles isn’t as exciting as drafting guys like Justin Houston or Javier Arenas, but it feeds a system that can produce quality linemen that allows the Chiefs not use first round picks on offensive tackles, guards, or centers. It also means that the Chiefs will not be forced to commit free agent dollars on those positions either.

We are lucky to have landed Winston this offseason. Without him there would probably be no Poe. I like how Pioli is building this team. While I continue to be frustrated about Cassel, finding a franchise QB is never easy. We have had three solid drafts under Pioli and we can already see the results. Yes we need to find a QB, but at least we are building a strong team while we continue to look for him.

Pioli doesn't deserve shit until he delivers a playoff win.

:evil:

Only if he dies in childbirth.

Pioli and Cassel both suck.
just not sure which sucks more yet.

The great news is, we're a QB away from being a good team for a very long time.
The bad news is, we're a QB away from being a good team for a very long time.

I don't care about positions or any of that other shit. Pioli wants to draft all fatties? Fine.

Just draft some good ones for ****'s sake. Not guys that have "backup potential".

I disagree, and people keep saying this, and it's just not ****ing true.

We need a QB and a HC.

You want to draft a WR in the 4th round? Fine. How about you draft a guy who's not a white brokedick piece of shit?

With most of this draft I was fine. You can't expect every player to turn into a stud, but you can draft so that every player (or nearly every player) has some good things going for him.

Last year, I think every single player except for Shane Bannan (a freakin 7th rounder) had good things going for him. It wouldn't be shocking if all of them didn't work out, but at least every single guy had an elite quality about him.

This year, we took Allen, Menzie, Gray, and Hemingway. Stephonson, Wylie, and Long were abortions. If the Poe pick works out, then the draft is a success. However, I give small odds (no more than 35%)

It's why lots of people aren't giving up or hopeless. They're just disappointed.

Romeo is mediocre. He's not terrible.

Like all mediocre head coaches, if you give him a franchise QB to work with, he can appear to be a great coach when he's really not.

The Poe pick is honestly a complete ****ing abortion and no one should be defending it right now.

You don't pick players with shit production at #11. You just ****ing don't. It's reeruned as hell.

Right now it feels like we drafted Poe because the idiot in charge ignored NT for 3 years, and he backed himself into a corner, and reached.

**** that pick. And this is coming from someone who defended Tyson Jackson for a season.

Didn't realize u could see into the future? your awesome!

In the future, you might actually learn how to spell "you're."

It's coming . If we can stay healthy this year we shall kick Peyton Mannings ass (Crennel knows how), win the AFCW and be a legit challenger to win the AFC.







Wait. Theres Cassel.

Nevermind!

This post is very encouraging, because you're never right.

lets count all the things Pioli's done to deserve props.

1. Traded For Castle
2. Drafted T Jack
3. Hired Haley
4. Let Orton Walk (not a Franchise QB but better than anyone we have on the roster)
5. Drafted Poe when he should have worked a trade to at least get the third best QB in this years draft.

yeah Pioli deserves mucho props, if it wasnt form Herms great draft of 08 he would have been fired already.

Poe was the only pick that made sense when you consider the needs the Chiefs have. The only other thing Pioli could have done was trade up for a Barron, Kuechly, or Tannehill.

Yeah Poe didn't have a lot of production but from everything I have heard about him he is a high effort player for a guy his size and he has all the tools to be an elite 3-4 NT. Poe was well worth the 11th pick in the draft IMO.

I see your concern, however, is a nt going to see a lot of statistical production? Is anybody going to be successful being moved all over the place and asked to fit in, rather than play to his strengths?

IMO, they felt they needed a big strong body to play at the weakest position of the defense. They went and got him. Obviously I think that trading down to get him would have been ideal, but I, nor you, don't know if that was a possibility. Obviously they felt if they moved they couldn't get him.

I can't fault that.

Poe fit the criteria they have for a NT. Big, strong, great athleticism, great lateral movement.



Now we will see if it translates.

Yes. You definitely can't knock a guys motor who plays every down on a crap team and all over the place as well.

There's 2 picks that I actually like in this draft.

Menzi and Gray.

Beyond that, the rest are guys that are head scratchers, at best.

I think Jeff Allen has potential, but keneche Osemele would have been a better pick.

Donald Stephenson has huge potential, but Bobbie Massie would have been a better pick for the immediate needs of this team.

Poe is a huge question mark.

A good thing about this. Once we get a replacement for Cassel, The pieces will be in place to help him succeed. I'm hoping Stanzi beefed up in the off season and comes in and makes his presence known.

I don't think anybody they drafted in the first 3 rounds were drafted just be backups. Maybe this year with the OL but Poe will start this year. Both OL were drafted right where future starting guards etc...should be drafted.

Who were we going to draft after round 1 that was going to be a starter? What position outside of FB and NT (QB off the table as we know) do we have legitimate openings for a starter now after the off season pick up of Winston, Boss etc...?

The starting 22 is pretty much set barring injury and the skill positions have backups for the most part, our whole draft was going to be for depth after Poe.

Excellent perspective Hoov !! And I agree thoroughly !:thumb: We will be grateful as all get out in 2-3yrs when we have an even better O and D lines with our QBOTF hitting his stride(Stanzi):thumb:

I like your attitude. Most everyone on here is a smartass, incompetent, unknowledgeable "chiefs fan". I dint post much because replies are from dumbasses saying, you spelled a word wrong; Christ.........idiots. Good read, good tude. Open the gates, let the peasants in.

I actually thought the same things Milk.


But something had to be wrong with Massie for him to slide that far. And I don't think they really viewed Osemele as a zone guy.


I think the mayocks and kipers of the world who grade these guys throw peoples views of drafts off. Obviously, what Mayock and Kiper had people graded as, scouts didn't agree on some guys.

I don't know that we can call them abortions. Allen could potentially be a starter at a key position and you can see Menzie playing some kind of a role. What you have to like about picks like Stephenson and Wylie is that they're depth picks, but they're based a lot more on potential than they are on making an immediate impact. For a Left Tackle, I care a lot about having fast feet and many seem to point out that he has some of the best in this class. Boom/bust guy. Wylie is a guy who probably won't see the field anytime soon, but you have to like his raw athletic ability. Hemingway and Long are your run-of-the-mill late round guys.

It wasn't a sexy draft, but once again, you could see probably about 5 of these guys not just making the roster, but earning a roster spot. And there's some potential boom that a few of these guys could be quality starters in 3 years. I'd give the draft a B, but yeah, the nature of the later picks makes this entire thing ride on Poe.

1. Although it hasn't worked out, it could be worse. We could still have Thigpen at QB
2. Jackson is starting to play well. Everything I've read about d lineman confirms that it takes some time.
3. Haley was a bold move. He was a young OC from a Superbowl team. Complaining about this cracks me up.
4. Your love for Orton is duly noted. However, outside of those 3 games what has Orton shown. Orton is Matt Cassel
5. A move that would have taken a lot of picks to pull. Tbh, you're upset that we didn't throw away a bunch of picks to move up and take a quarterback who has only started a handful of games in college. and you're upset about the trade for cassel?

IMO, it's a bold boom or bust move. Poe is either going to be a super star or will be out of the league. He's got the motor and he's got the physical attributes, we'll see how it pans out.

Pioli is fail unless he proves other wise. Any GM who refuses to acknowledge the Aids abortion which is Cassell needs to hit the bricks. The fact he resigned all of Carl and Herm`s picks is great..good job dip shit for doing what should of obviously been done. Now , what has done himself? Barry is the only solid pick we got out of his drafts. Everyone else is either okay or injured.

GM of the decade my ass. **** him , **** the "Clarks." Sale the got damn team to an owner who actually cares about winning a Super Bowl and not just about winning at the ticket booth. JFC its been almost 20 years since we won a ****ing playoff game. Its been almost 40 years since we had a HOF QB on our team (exluding Montana). Im sick and tired of being the team known for tailgating and loud crowds...I would much rather trade that for a Super Bowl win..jfc at this point a play off win would even do

#1 - it's the one move that could throw Pioli's entire resume out the window. Which is why it's mind-numbing that he's so stubborn about it.
#2 - agreed. Jackson wasn't a great pick, but he was very good given the talent level of that draft class.
#3 - Haley helped this team a ton. I don't know that anyone can be critical of the hiring. I'm one of the few that's critical of the firing as well.
#4 - Orton > Cassel, and starting next year, a shitload cheaper. Bad move.
#5 - It wouldn't have taken a ton of picks to get Tannehill. I just don't get the hype with him. Tannehill felt like a QB of convenience. I think 2013 has potential to be a very deep QB class and, in that class, he could potentially be the 5th or 6th best.

Like I said, there were far better tackles available at Stephonson's spot.

I'm okay with Jeff Allen over some of the other guys on the board. He's 2nd round worthy and the coaches liked him a lot. I wouldn't have taken him, but I'm cool with the pick. I like it

I said I liked Allen, Gray, Menzie, and Hemingway.

My bad. Mis-read (didn't see the period). I thought something seemed strange about that.

#1 - I don't think he is stubborn about it, I think the options have still been limited after he made the mistake of trading for Cassel. Orton over Cassel? Sure but is that the long term answer? His decision to go to Dallas to be a backup right away in FA tells me all I need to know about the pussy. He doesn't even want to start. Do I wish they would make a bold move at QB? Hell yea but it needs to be for a Luck or RGIII type, not a project.

I didn't say statistical production. I said production.

He didn't play that well against shitty competition.

And FYI, even guys like Glenn Dorsey and Nick Fairley had good stats coming out. Dorsey had 69 tackles and 7 sacks his senior year. Fairley had 11.5 sacks as a senior.

Yeah, Poe isn't really in their mold, but he played all over the place, he wasn't a true NT. He's being tabbed to be a pass rusher in the pros already.

This guy had 5 sacks in 3 years. In C-USA.

****, Junior Siavii did more in college than this guy.

Really, dipshit? I was right about Haley. I was right about McCluster.

All you ever do is err on the side of homer.

Your correctness on either subject is debatable, just not in your mind.

Exactly.

Haley is no longer here, we just drafted Midget 2.0 and a RB.

Yeah, debatable. LMAOLMAO

If we would have won one more game last year. We would have beaten Pitt at Arrowhead. We could have won several games last year. We are not that far away due to the quality of the division.

I don't think you were right about Haley. I still believe he could have done fine in a less toxic environment. The team is much better because he was here. And I think he's going to do a very good job in Pittsburgh.

We couldn't use additional pass rushers? F that noise. If the Chiefs couldn't find a way to use another, that's an inditement of RAC's scheme/creativity.

We did what we typically do, take a needs-based, projection pick as opposed to BPA. Good franchises emphasize QBs and take value picks. We pick big guys and role/versatile players. It's the Patriot way.

I was right that he was going to be fired.

I was right that he sucked cock.

Until he gets another HC gig and succeeds, I'm ****ing right.

If only we could play the NFC West every year!

If Berry and Charles don't go down last year, we win a playoff game.

Because Haley is not here does not mean he was the biggest issue. You want to bash Pioli and Haley? Both are to blame for everything?

DMC is still on the team bud, he also cost you several bets last year. Will he ever be a star? I doubt it, was he a colossal ridiculous bust? I don't see it yet, its definitely not fact at this point and I can tell you, I don't like him.

Even if you get DMC 100% right, hell even if you were right on Haley and DMC, anyone who spews as much shit as you is going to be right on occasion.

Your LJ man crush that went on 2 years too long and your wishy washy back and forth BS (See "Matt Cassel Can't Do It Alone") negates most anything you blindly get half ass correct.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/misc....osted&t=259055

the reerun is strong in this thread

2010 says hello.

:troll:

By that logic, we never will win a playoff game.

Chiefsplanet says hello

This team is a lot better because he was here. It amazes me how critics will downplay the improvement a lot of players made under his watch. Maybe he wasn't the best long-term fit for a coach. But I'm very glad he was the coach for the time he was here.

Really?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=212382

Wasn't saying that at all.

Simply making a point that we had the services of those two players in 2010, and we were ass raped in our own building.

Curious as to what he thinks changed in one offseason that makes him think we would have won a playoff game.

I know and like BRC in "real life", but this quote sums up the fanbase.

We're not that far away due to the quality of the division.

Great, we win a weak division.

Then what?

Continue to settle for mediocrity, according to most.

Well, I think the more appropriate point is that Kyle Orton showed us that with a better QB, we can be very competitive. Which is saying a lot, because a team can do a lot better than Kyle Orton. With a legit QB, we could be Super Bowl contenders. That's good and very unfortunate at the same time.

Pioli is one horrible decision from being a very good GM.

Unfortunately, he failed on the most important position.

I don't think the FOs give a shit what Mayock and Kiper think. But I do think the FOs use these guys for poker play though with other teams that's for sure.

In all actuality, I think the FO's of each team actually sit back and laugh at these wannabes most of the time and actually conduct and observe like professors in a lab setting doing experiments with mice, saying to themselves "watch what happens to the "sports media mice" when we take this player!;)

Agreed.

Come on now, common sense is always clouded when the ego is more important(a la Pioli trying to will Cassel to good QB play):rolleyes:

I am not a big Pioli fan though I am not completely sold on his failure just yet, but I am heavily leaning that way.To me this years draft of Poe will be a huge step one way or another depending on how things shake out.

If Poe answers the NT issue we have a very very good defense.

Problem is that gives Cassel a crutch, especially if we have a great running game again like in 2010.

We could see years of Martyball like football in a league that throws it around like crazy.

:banghead:

Have faith. /'93

This is hilarious considering how much you used to slobber over Haley.

If not for injuries, the Chiefs win 10 and Haley is not fired.

I don't understand those who don't like this draft because of the lack of instant starters. Who the hell are we going to bench? I think there are two places for rookies to start, NT and Guard.

DE? Nope, Dorsey and T-Jax are starters and former top 5 draft picks. Might not have lived up to their billing but there was nobody in this draft that would have started over them.

LB? I think Hali, Houston, and DJ have their spots cemented in the starting line up. There is a spot open at ILB but Belcher an Siler are not bad options. The only guy who would have started over them went in the top ten. Maybe Hightower would have been an upgrade but we would still have a gapping hole at NT

I could go on and on, but there were few people that we could have drafted that were going to make an instant impact on this team. Besides QB and NT, there were not many players who were going to get a chance to start for the Chiefs. Its not a bad problem to have.

I was going to start a thread about this book, but I'll just link it here.

One of the first things he does is rip the Chiefs for thinking they can win games running the football and playing defense.

Mentions that we were the only team in the league to run the ball more than pass, even when we were losing.

http://www.amazon.com/Game-Plan-Appr...5717301&sr=1-5

Pioli deserves a kick in the balls. So you identify G as a key position of need? Fine, trade back, get am extra 3rd, and take Steve Hutchinson 2.0.

he failed hiring a coach and picking a QB

that's two...the two most important decisions

I will have to give that a read. Interesting.

We run the ball more than throw it, which means we don't trust the QB, yet don't replace the QB?

At some point they have to see the insanity in that right?

Haley or Crennel?

As I already mentioned, erase those injuries and they win 10 and he's not fired.

and if my uncle had boobs....

pioli had to fire the coach he hired, mid-season....that's a gigantic failure

Also, if you have a great QB, does it really matter who is HC?

See: Indianapoils Colts

I realize we don't see each other in person too often since I'm in Florida but as my fellow Chief fans that I watch games with will attest, I trash Cassell all game. He's just not the answer for a SB win.

I think we are a good QB away from having a "real" chance at a SB. The weak division gives us a chance until we get a good QB. I'm not satisified, just a realistic apprasil. I firmly believe we would have beat Pitt in a home playoff game last year, if we had won one more game.

You make waaaaaaaay too much sense INDEED !:thumb:

Here are some props for Pioli.

http://www.tailwindcapitalgroup.com/...prop_plane.jpg

Now leave, bitch.

I'd give this whole draft and next years first and second to have moved up for RG3 or given up what it takes to move up to 6 to draft Tannehill.

Also, I think it's hilarious that you guys clown Pioli for not getting a quarterback, but the same people that are doing that wanted nothing to do with Tannehill or Orton (except TTC who seemed ok with making a move for Tannehill iirc)

If we are to be fair, which quarterbacks would have made you guys feel better THAT WOULD HAVE GIVEN US MORE THAN STANZI?

LMAO

WTF

We just drafted guys to phase him out.

He's up there with Kris Wilson.

Is he supposed to hit them all?

I'll take what he's done with the draft over his predecessors save one, the 08 draft.

Good Job Pioli. Keep it up.

wish i had your patience. :thumb:

**** it. Start the thread. I want to hear more.