Unemployed is where I be!
 

Got the axe at work today. Can't really say I am disappointed to be honest. Managment at our firm was pretty chicken shit, spineless and ungrateful. I put in on average 60-65 hours a week including weekends. Few months ago I had a pow-wow with my boss and her boss because they had concerns about my being happy there. I asked why generated this concerns and their answer flat out was "we aren't going to discuss specifics". Ok, then WTF did you bring it up?

Then a few months later I get told my "tone" in my e-mails to an outsourcing company we were using was bad. I asked not once but twice what I said, what they would have liked me to have said, etc. No answer.

Then a few weeks ago when I was working my ass off night, days and weekends I get told that my boss's boss had concerns about my productivity but that I shouldn't ring my hands over it.


So today I get told I was being let go because of performance issues. Not one documented incident of said issues exists of course.

Normally I would feel like shit for getting fired but in this case when you are working that hard for someone and all they can do is insist on more then do you dirty like that I am not so sure this isn't really a blessing in disguise.

Sounds like a no win situation. Good luck moving forward.

Toxic environment dude. TOTAL blessing in disguise.

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Sucks to hear man. Hope a better opportunity finds you immediately.

Was your job analyzing Royals games? Cause if so, I can understand why you got the axe for performance issues.

So I hear you're having problems with your TPS reports.

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That sucks. Usually crap like this ends up being a good thing down the road. good luck

From personal experience, anyone that can/would work for Pete's boss for as long as Pete did deserves a medal or some kind of major award.

Did you go to his office multiple times a day yelling "WHERE'S THE FOUL!?"


Just kidding. Kind of.

Good luck.

Sounds like you were spending time at work, but not working.

Yea sure was. And then coming home and doing the same......:rolleyes:

go get a gov't job -- it's awesome! /cp elite

Actually, if this was true, Pete would've been fine.

The people that were rewarded there were mediocre seat-fillers and folks with no life outside of that job.

sounds like it is not even in disguise.

you never knew your boss ref'd peewee league on the weekends did you?

FYI, Pete's particular position has had probably 5-7 people in it over the last 2 or 3 years. Nasty high turnover for one particular position/team, managed by one particular individual.

That ain't no shit. I saw more people get away with more bullshit and be looked upon like they walk on water.

In my case I was working on a big project that was due this week. Another project that I had never been involved with outside of someone needing something done "now" was slipping and really when you get down to it didn't have to go. So I worked all night Thursday, all day Friday, all night Friday night, all day yesterday and until 10:00 last night to get that all ready to go. Was in the office at 6:30 this morning and then got the axe.

The problem with the managment there is they plan everything piss poor and in a vaccuum. They set unreasonable timelines totally ignorant of the other projects they are working then want 1-2 people to just "make it happen". If you're working 50 hours a week they'd say work 55. If you were working 60 hours a week they'd say work 65.

You can only do that to someone so much. This was a regular expectation week in and week out. Weekends? WTF are those? You got a family? Big deal.

I'd come in the office between 6:30-7:00, most days eat my lunch at my desk, leave at 4:00-4:30, come home and get right back on the computer for another couple hours.

Meanwhile I sit there and watch one of the managers say how she has a life and can't work a bunch of OT. Ironically she was the one who barked out orders at everyone else and told them to work OT.

Leading by example was not one of the virtues in this department.

Sounds like it was past time for you to get out of there anyway.

Congrats! :thumb:

Suck dude.

Sounds like you didn't along with them real well. Is it possible that you could adjust your attitude some?

Lead by example? There? As Pwent says, "Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!".

In my cube just now, a co-worker asked me if I would go back there for 100K. My response? "Not a chance in heck if I have to report to the same manager".

Let it go, it's behind you now.

I work for the same type of assholes. They want you to kill yourself so they look good and when they **** something up, they blame you for it. I can't wait until I can tell those dicks to go **** themselves.

Don't sweat it, just collect unemployment for awhile while you find a better job where you will hopefully be rewarded for your hard work. Good luck

I supposed I could have. I could have submitted even more than I had. I got along with everyone there pretty well. Everyone knew I worked my ass off. We just have Managers that don't understand how to manage. They expect 2 people to do the work of 7 and complete a 3 month project in 3 weeks while working on other projects planned in a similar fashion.

Sounds like you don't have a job and don't know what the hell you're talking about. Could you adjust your attitude some?

This is a prime example why I believe in union representation. Although they protect the jobs of some workers who are not worth anything they make sure that people like u who work hard for a company cant be let go for no reason without first getting written up.

Okay, sounds like a poor situation on their part.

Pete was well liked by everyone but 1 or 2 folks in key positions.

I was in a similar situation when I worked there.

It doesn't take much to get the target put on your back. It's really sad that senior management doesn't seem to realize that maybe management isn't quite doing their jobs correctly.

It never hurts to reexamine ourselves and our situations. I should probably adjust my attitude for some things. Thanks for the reminder!

Since they didn’t really document any of the “performance issues”, does that just mean that you Can get unemployment? Or something more?

I’ve always heard that they need to have records of that stuff, but never known what the consequences were if they didn’t.

I "resigned". I think it's legally considered a "Constructive Discharge". Meaning I was forced to quite more or less. It was quit or get fired. I can get unemployment, they said they would not contest it. Resigning does probably hurt me from a legal aspect but what are my odds on legal action anyway? I figure it's better to sit in future interviews and be able to say I resigned as opposed to I got fired.

nil. Kansas is a Right to Work state. Unless you can prove discrimintation or retaliation, they can fire you because your shirt is orange.

And I had to make the decision on the spot on whether I was resigning or accepting termination. I had no opportunity for legal counsel so I think if for whatever reason it ever got to court I could claim my decision was under duress.

I was in MO though same thing applies. I knew I was pretty much ****ed on any legal ramifications thus opting to resign

What benefit did you see in resigning as opposed to them terminating you?

Oh, if I could leave all over again, what choice words I would have for KMS.

Future interviews. I think it's always better to say you resigned as opposed to you got fired.

From what I am hearing it was most likely SP more than KMS

Onward and upward buddy. I'm sure you're feeling a bit of relief, just like I was when I walked out of that place.

What field were you in? Don't say the company name. Maybe someone on here can help you out?

Interesting.

So, assuming any one of the rest of us is in that position (fired with no severance, or quit with uncontested unemployment), is quitting the correct action?

I think it's a gamble depending on state laws. As it was mentioned I could be fired without cause, legally as long as there weren't any forms of discrimination, etc. So you have to weigh the circumstance. Do you want to go sit in your next interview and explain why you were fired or why you quit?

The anxiety over not getting a paycheck is setting in. MO unemployment sucks balls compared to KS. I have some $'s saved so I am not without but still. Other than that yes, I am totally relieved. I have been telling my wife I was ready to quit anyway just wanted to do it under different circumstances. I wish I would have at least had my day in court, no pun intended. The C-Level there turned out to be a real chicken shit who wants to be surrounded by Yes Men. I made a real mistake in my perecption of that person.

Ahh, ya...Did you get the memo? We're putting cover letters on all the TPS reports before they go out. If you could go ahead and start doing that from now on that'd be great. I'll make sure you get a copy of that memo.

If you don't get unemployment because you quit it is probably good. Keep you hungry, and also keep alittle bit pride knowing that you called the shot not them. Probably good time to really go after being great at what you are already great at.

In truth when I look back it's good that I am gone. The CIO there is rather spineless and this is pretty indicative of it. I speculate this has more to do with me getting irritated with a Manager last week who was telling me things weren't going fast enough after I just told him I planned on working all night and all weekend. Long story short the stress level in that office is at rocket high levels. They are shoving down deadlines that are physically and tehnologically impoissible. Eitehr way, fire me or not, to not even get my side of the story at any point says a lot about a person. I even went to talk to our CIO after the heated discussion and he said he didn't have time and avoided the conversation altogether. Today I am unemployed.

Keep in mind our CIO is a guy who would glance at his watch when you left for the day after you just worked 9 hours and he knows damn well you will be working more from home. Pretty petty and childish to be sure and not someone who I really want to work for.

Hey good luck Pete.

never got along with management .. bunch of spineless backstabbing bastards .. in the old layman term .. worms .....

It sounds like SP really changed for the worse. He never struck me as a clock watcher. Shoot, he always would agree with us about KMS having crazy hours expectations. He thought we were crazy for doing it.

Apparently he's changed his tone now that he's in charge.

I'd rather work on the service desk there. They get paid pretty well and only have to be there 8 hours per day.

And they **** off for 4 hours of that 8. And actualyl it's only 7.5 they have to be there.

Just imagine, when Martin started as a 1099, he was making something like $40 per hour as a SERVICE DESK TECH. Freakin' help desk making that kind of scratch!

Damn. :( Sorry to hear about this. It definitely sounds like you got screwed. Like you said though, it was probably a blessing in disguise.

Best of luck to you!

Very sorry to hear about this Pete, and good luck in the future.

I told you not to piss SkipTown off, but no, so...

Like a Royals pitcher and an ump with a shrinking strike zone.



Best of luck to ya, Pete!

I ran a successful dating service in college. I'll make a few calls for you.

If he ever has employees, I think we can guess how he'll be treating them from his post.

Kiss his ass, or get the hell out.

Oh, and good luck Pete...I hope this turns out to be a blessing in disguise for you.

So they said you were under performing, but didn't provide any details on what they didn't like. Sounds like an outfit run by dumbassess.

That's about it. Now I am sure when they talked with HR it was a totally different story but I have no reason to lie. I am not saying I was perfect and never did anything wrong but HTF do you call a person into a meeting and say we have concerns but we aren't going to discuss them? Not once but twice!

And really when it comes down to it, I was so overloaded with work it's amazing I got done what I did get done and all my work met the deadlines regardless of how painfull it may have been.

That's the way it's done there. They push a ton of extra hours on the premise of, "it's just a busy time. after this project's over, everything will calm down".

It doesn't really ever calm down. The real kicker is that the knock on the former CIO was that he wanted things out too fast. The new CIO said things would change. They didn't change.

Cerner?

Same thing happened years ago at my last job. 2 months before I was fired I had a great job performance review with average and above average rankings in all fields. Then I get canned. I ask why? No answer. Thanks to the "right to work" in KS, I had no way to contest it.

Sucks, but something better will come for you.

Nope. I would out the company as I haven't worked there in a couple of years, but I'll let Pete share that info if he pleases.

Wow, I never knew for sure if we worked for the same company but now I think you did. This sounds very familiar.

I am soooo anxious to retire. 7 days a week, 60+ hours gets old after a few years.

Good luck dude. The next place will be a dream after the last one.

Not a big deal, just guessing. I have heard that they work the hell out of people.

No but just as bad from what I hear

It's a law firm called Lathrop & Gage. Actually the company in and of itself is a great, great company. They really take good care of their employees, generally speaking. The IT department there on the other hand is a hell. It's constant 50-70 hour weeks. Understaffed and overworked and I don't mean the typical situation. I mean like they are at least 3-4 people light, plan projects like they have an extra 5 people sitting around doing nothing and not very good leadership when it comes to managing an IT department.

The Help Desk is ordered to escalate tickets if they cannot quickly fix anything and they are supposed to be Tier 1 & 2 support. The guys there are pretty good but the manager wants to be able to point fingers elsewhere so she orders them to escalate quickly. The staff generally is a good group of people. Some of them are real good and would enjoy working with them again.

Bottom line is the IT leadership lacks patience and understanding when it comes to technology. They roll out technology that is not necessarily needed too fast then spend a shitload of time trying to stablize while continuing to repeat the process. They try to compensate corner cutting by working the staff extremely hard and long hours.

My biggest complaint is there is never any consultation or input from staff when it comes to projects. 2 or 3 people get together, dream up this idea of what they want, pull want-dates out of their ass then tell the staff what has to be done and when. That leads to consistent projects that should take 6 months to a year being ordered to be done in 1-2 months. This is with multiple projects being ran simultaneously while also having to provide Tier 3 support to the users.

Basically we were told in December that we had to have a Windows 7 image built and rolled out by the end of the year. Nothing was even locked down on what was to go on the desktop until a week or two ago. Vaccuum managment is what I call that. No considerations for what was really going to have to be done, no consideration for other projects and responsibilities and no consideration for input from staff.

you should be able to get unemployment easily if they never documented anything.

HR told me they are not going to contest unemployment so I am hoping there are no issues with that.

I hope you got that in writing. I'm just considering the source.

A lot of that sounds really familiar to my work situation. It's a blessing dude.

**** them

You'll be better off , you seem like a cool smart cat. You'll be laughing at them in 7 months.

Did your boss leave the yard light on?

Best of luck finding new, better employment pete!

Sounds like they did you a favor-good luck in your search and your new endeavor

321 a week is a ****ing joke. That will barely make your car payment and insurance. Good luck finding something better, soon.

Yeah, luckily I am married and I have some coin saved. Plus we have a rental we own free and clear so the income there helps a lot as well. Otherwise if I was just depening on MO unemployment I'd be ****ed! I should be fine for the next few months anyway.

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