Mike Wallace could be traded
 

Do not be surprised if Steelers trade Mike Wallace during training camp. They no longer believe they can sign him long term.

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Intedesting.

I hope he isn't. Cause I'm sure horseface would be the first to go after him. Which is exactly why you posted this thread so **** you.

Intedesting indeed.

I could titty **** Kate Upton.

31 teams had the entire offseason to prepare an offer sheet and give up a R1 pick as compensation.

Not sure why anyone would give up that pick now.

They are going to get raped if they are set on trading him.

Wallace for Bowe straight across.

/my dick is hard

I'd love it. But idk how Cassel could get the ball to a guy like that. He'd underthrow every deep route.

Um.. Why?

He doesn't underthrow everything. I saw him overthrow McCluster on a screen pass in SD once. He followed it up with an overthrow of a different sort on the bench only seconds later. Thats twice right there.

Why? We'd get younger, but not better.

This

Honestly it's not. I'm 100% fine with Denver's receivers.

I was hoping to see a couple trade Bowe for Wallace posts, and then Dane or Milkman would come in and tell them they are a dumbass because the Steelers wouldn't pay Bowe either.

We don't need a speed guy because our QB can't throw to guys on deep routes. Wallace doesn't fit our game.

Complement Baldwin. I am a big believer in needing a good, fast, receiver to complement a strong physical beast like Balkwin. Yes, I understand that Baldwin is as of yet a mostly unknown quantity but he has shown he can go get the ball. The question is if we have a QB on the team that can get him the ball.

/Id rather have a Cris Carter- Randy Moss to a Fitz-Boldin tandem.

I have no faith that Kasl is going to be a good QB. I am working on the pretext that there will be another QB at the helm next season... and possibly even this one.

Yep.

Wallace is more of a deep threat than Bowe.

He's faster, so yeah that helps.

I'd still take Bowe over him.

QB still matters, though.

If Baldwin is as advertised the offense would add a whole new dimension.

The 49ers will trade for him.

I actually thought Baldwin could be the deep threat, I remember them saying he's deceptively fast and had a good ability to get behind the defender, and then combine that with his size and athleticism. He's not so much an all the way deep threat, but I think he's got the ability to at least spread the defense more than they have Bowe do.

they don't want to pay wallace, so they'll pay bowe?

the chiefs don't want to pay bowe but they'll pay wallace?

huh?

having Wallace on this team would be like having a new Corvette in parked in the driveway but you cant drive it because gas prices are too high.

Kate Upton.

FYP

[QUOTE=notorious;8773807]yeah that's a better way of saying what i wanted to say. ;)

Doesn't matter. Pioli/Hunt aren't going to pay big $ for a WR.
They know what they have at QB. It would be a waste to pay for a speed guy. Makes more sense to pay Bowe and they didn't do that.

Next subject.

As of July 1st, here were the top teams with the most salary cap space:

Jacksonville Jaguars: $25,115,885
Tennessee Titans: $19,970,080
Cleveland Browns: $17,774,764
Kansas City Chiefs: $16,548,048
Cincinnati Bengals: $16,309,693
Philadelphia Eagles: $15,879,570
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: $15,740,231
Indianapolis Colts: $14,595,514
Green Bay Packers: $11,255,804
Denver Broncos: $10,878,461
New England Patriots: $10,873,988

While I'd love to dream about Wallace in a Flying Elvis helmet, and we all can worry about Peyton-to-Wallace, the truth is that the Chiefs are the team with more room, if they ever decide to stop being cheap. (Yeah, the Jags, Titans, and Browns have even more room... but I don't see those teams doing anything.)

Mort Just reported on espn radio the Steelers gave him their best offer early this past week and it wasn't good enough.

He wants to be paid as the 3rd highest WR behind you know who... Steelers aren't that kind of a franchise and neither are the Chiefs.

**** these greedy douchebags.

the chiefs are one the top 5 cheapest teams in the league when it comes to payroll.

yep, no need to wonder any longer as to why the Chiefs have one playoff win since 1993.

hey Clark, you get what you pay for.

That's the problem with WRs, they all think they're one of the top five in the NFL, and they never get what they ask for, unless they really are the best.

steelers are the kind of franchise that wins championships

we should try imitating their winning instead of imitating their hall of fame QB inspired contract hardball...

They have Ben, they'll be fine. He got a 1000 yards out of Antonio Brown for ****'s sake. That guy needs to thank his QB every day of the week for the all the money he just made. I'm sure they are fine for someone opening the bank for Mike f'n Wallace.

Maybe Wallace isn't into that kinda thing?

You aren't really going to try to compare the Carter Moss tandem to anyone still playing are you? Wallace is a fast smurf, Moss is on another level in comparison. Even as a mere example it sounds silly.

This...

I'd give up a 2nd in a heartbeat.

I only meant to suggest that I would prefer a speed & strength combo vs the strength & strength.

You'd "give up" a second round draft choice for for a guy that is not under contract and could not come to tems with his current team because he wants to be paid as the number three receiver in the entire NFL?

Wallace would probably be a better match with Baldwin.

IF Baldwin works out ...

switch Bowe to Wallace still leaves you with the crazy contract demands though


either way, the chiefs should have a better idea of their options after this season.

If Bowe plays well the Chiefs might feel more comfortable about giving more money
If Bowe plays well then his trade value goes up
If Bowe plays meh then he might consider dropping his asking price

a year on the tag doesn't hurt anything unless the Chiefs need that tag again next year (albert,Bowe)

I thought as much, but wasn't completely sure.

I think the Chiefs are trying to imitate the Steelers in some ways.

They're just not very good at it.

Or, they could tell Bowe that they're reuniting him with Todd Haley in Pittsburgh and swapping him with Mike Wallace.

:evil:

Both Wallace and Bowe would play under the tag this year, leaving the Chiefs the Franchise Tag for another player in 2013, if necessary. Let Wallace and Bowe find their value on the open market and negotiate accordingly.

As much as I like Bowe, I do agree that Wallace, Baldwin and Breaston scare me a little more than Bowe, Baldwin and Breaston, if I'm a defensive coordinator.

I think Clark has said the Steelers are the organization he would like to model... I don't have an exact quote on that though. They always seem to make the right decision though. People on here were aghast when they dumped Santonio Holmes for nothing, but it turned out fine. Meanwhile Holmes is off yapping his mouth in New York.

To fair, the Steelers went decades without drafting a first round quarterback. It wasn't until their poor season in 2003 that led to the drafting of Rothlisberger in 2004 and even then, he was the third QB off the board.

He fell into their lap: It wasn't like it was some sort of inspired decision.

Fine is a relative word. Do you think they would have lost the Super Bowl against the Packers had Santonio Holmes been a member of their squad? I don't.

what do you mean they aren't very good at it?

They seem to be putting together a very talent team in very sustainable way.

They seem to be only 1 stud player away from being a legit super bowl challenger. Admittedly that 1 player is at the QB position but it's still only one player.


people act like the entire team is a pile of shit :shrug:


If .......... Stanzi works out then i fail to see much fault with how Pioli has put the team together. He has a rough 1st draft because of a very short draft prep time. He traded for a couple of solid transition guys in Cassel/Vrabel and then replaced them as the team became more established. Outside of Todd 'captain insano' Haley, Pioli did the rebuild almost perfectly.


nevermind ... let the drama queens continue

The Browns and the Bucs make a ton of sense.

Really? I don't think it mattered. I think I'd rather have Mike Wallace than Holmes. But I really like Wallace, his speed is incredible.

Most importantly though, Aaron Rodgers was in a zone than almost no other QB has ever been in for that playoff run. That was some of the best QB play the NFL has ever seen. Nobody was beating that team.

Um, do you remember the game? Ben was awful, throwing interception after interception and one for a TD. The Steelers came back and lost 31-25.

It's only speculation but had Holmes been on that team, he would have been the difference. Regardless, I don't think that trading Holmes for a 5th round choice was the best move for the Steelers.

This is true. The Steelers physically controlled that game. Ben had some really bad moments that blew it.

The Browns are in the middle of being sold and the Bucs and Schiano won't deal with a miscontent.

They just signed Vincent Jackson who was having the exact same kind of contract dispute with his former team.

I guess my recollection of that game is different than everyone else's. The Packers jumped out to a big lead... the Steelers came back, but Mike Wallace had a nice game. Either way Rodgers outplayed Roethlisberger regardless of who the WR's were.

Rodgers was playing at a near flawless level in that playoffs. Nobody was beating that team. I didn't think this was even debatable. It was really something to watch. It's amazing how quickly people forget things.

Which is another reason why they won't be giving up picks for Mike Wallace.

Wallace: 9 receptions, 89 yards, 1 TD, long 25
Ward: 7 receptions, 78 yards, 1 TD, 17 long
Randle El: 2 receptions, 50 yards
Sanders: 2 receptions, 17 yards
Miller: 2 receptions, 12 yards.

Um, the Steelers beat themselves. In addition to Ben's two interceptions (one for a TD), they had a fumble early. They came out extremely flat, yet only lost by six.

The Packers won, but not because they were unbeatable.

Well this is the NFL. No one is unbeatable. Otherwise you're just being arbitrary. Heck, I'd give you Ward, Wallace, and Holmes... I'd still take 2010 Rodgers over them. That was a really good team. That's why they went out and won 18 or 19 in a row or whatever it was. That doesn't guarantee winning a single game... but that was a really good team. Rodgers was in a zone that few, if any QB's have ever been in. I just don't think he would've let them lose. That was truly some of the best QB play I have ever seen. That doesn't even include that Rodgers can make throws 95% of QB's can't make... just from a pure quality of play standpoint he was amazing.

2010 Rodgers was great. 2011 Rodgers was incredible. They nearly missed the playoffs in 2010 with a ton of injuries.

2011 Rodgers was mostly an extension of 2010 Rodgers in the playoffs. That's why they won the Super Bowl. He was amazing. The only team that slowed him down really was Chicago. That game against the Falcons was an all-timer.

I've never felt sorry for a team, not even Miami in Dan Marino's last game which was a horrible way to go out. Damn if I didn't feel bad for Atlanta for what Rodgers did to them that day.

This is just a ridiculous comment. It doesn't matter who the qb is. Defenses still have to respect Wallace's speed. Even with Cassel at qb you still can stretch the defense with a guy like Wallace.

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva

The Pittsburgh Trib-Review says Mike Wallace wants V-Jax money ($11.1 million annually), not Fitzgerald money ($15M): http://bit.ly/mpMpS3

Chiefs should pay the man.

Mark Castle

Holmes is such a great teamate too.

If that's the goal of an NFL team, I guess the Chiefs win the Championship.

The Chiefs do have talent but it's not at the level of the Steelers. Sorry. You have to look at the facts and stare at them good. Pitt makes the playoffs every year and win championships and the Chiefs don't. There is a reason. There are just better in most conceivable categories.

They have a better overall defense in every possible way. Better LBing corps, better DC IMO. Better DL, NT, S you name it except CBs. Better overall team chemistry.

Sorry the Chiefs don't have the statistics either to compete like Pittsburgh. Are the Chiefs # 1 at stopping the run every year? Nope. Do the Chiefs have the passrush like Pitt? Nope. Yes, I love Hali & Houston seems like an up and & comer but in no way are both as good as Woodley & Harrison.

Pitt is top 10 in defense every year. Are the Chiefs? Talk to me when they are consistently fielding a good defense every single year.

Has the scouting staff and coaches found and develop players on both sides of the ball like the way the Steelers do? Steelers can lose players and get away with it more so than the Chiefs because they have the FO, scouting staff and coaches that are more competent at evaluating and developing players. It really comes down to that. Chiefs are getting better at it lately, but not at the level of Pitt. Sorry. Hey, I admit it. I like the Chiefs but they are in no way good enough.

I'm proud to see that they motto teams like Pitt. They should be.

IF Stanzi pans out it'll do the Chiefs wonders. I agree with you. But it's a lot to hope for. For a 5th round pick to come in and light it up and take the team on his shoulders the way a guy like Roethlisberger can.

I give Pioli some credit for rebuilding but the core of this team he inherited from Herm era.

Thought so. Bowe is probably asking for 12.5 to 13.5 mil annually based on this.

LMAO

This is some of the funniest shit I've read in a long, long time. Are you here all week?

It's always hilarious when people say this bullshit. LMAO

Pitt has been going 2 in/1 out with the playoffs since 2001, and they've missed the playoffs 6 times since 1997. That's better than the Chiefs, and it's certainly impressive, but let's not make the Steelers out to be something they aren't.

It'll be funny when the Chiefs go 7-9 or 8-8. Which is what they do pretty much every year. While the Steelers will go 12-4, 11-5, or 10-6 winning the division or getting that wildcard spot and competing in the playoffs.

Oh sorry I wasn't exactly specific.

Yeah but by the same token, the Patriots, Colts and Steelers have represented in the AFC in the Super Bowl nine consecutive years, and 10 of the last 11. And that's supposed to be in the golden era of parity of the NFL.

And I've thrown this stat out before, but the Patriots, Steelers, Broncos, Bills and Colts have represented the AFC in 22 of the last 27 Super Bowls.

If Ben is injured, they won't win 6 games.

Furthermore, your entire exposition was extremely flawed. The Steelers offensive line has been awful for years, their running game has been crap and their defense has grown old. James Farrior? No.

The thing that differentiates the Steelers from the Chiefs is Ben Rothlisberger.

Absolutely. I just think that when people talk up the Steelers, they need to remember that they are 8 in and 6 out in terms of the last 14 seasons worth of playoffs. They've not been on a consistent level as much as they've had the ability to bounce back from lesser seasons.

i would be all for trading Bowe for Wallace and then giving Wallace 10 million year.

rather give 10 mill per to Wallace than Bowe


Wallace,Baldwin and Breaston could be a helluva a group of WR's

Wallace can stretch the field and create natural seperation
Breaston is the quick guy
Baldwin COULD be an elite WR that has power,size and speed


my only concern would be that Pittsburgh generally does a good job of only losing guys for a reason.

Its moronic in this thread, too.

Is it moronic because the thought here is to trade for Wallace and part with Bowe... or is it moronic because we don't have a QB who could make use of Wallace WAY downfield?

Or am I missing the moronicity of it all completely?

And better FO, ownership.

The Steelers D has been top 3 in points against 6 of the last 8 years. It's more than Big Ben that separates KC from Pitt.