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Hammock Parties 07-28-2012 11:20 PM

Baldwin is determined to make a name for himself
 
So glad we have this stud on our team. Makes prima donnas like Bowe look like shit.

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/07/28...d-to-make.html

Baldwin is determined to make a name for himself
BY RANDY COVITZ

Quote:

ST. JOSEPH -- The Chiefs’ first-round draft pick from 2011 wanted to establish something right away at the start training camp.

His first name is not Jonathan, as listed in rosters and other published materials. And it’s not John. It’s Jon.

“J-O-N,” emphasized wide receiver Jon Baldwin.

Baldwin has a chance to establish more than just a name for himself in camp and in his second season. This could be a breakthrough year for Baldwin, a physically gifted 6-foot-4, 230-pounder to establish himself as an elite receiver in the NFL.

The absence of veteran Dwayne Bowe, who has yet to sign his $9.5 million tender as the club’s franchise player, has thrust Baldwin into the role of the club’s No. 1 receiver. And even after Bowe eventually signs and reports to camp, big things will be expected of Baldwin, who was just an afterthought in the offense during an injury-marred rookie season last year.

“He feels like he might be the guy, and without Bowe being here, he sees that opportunity,” head coach Romeo Crennel said. “When we drafted him, we felt good about his talent, about his size, about him going to get the football the way he goes to get it.

“He worked hard this offseason. He reported in great shape. He has a good attitude, so I anticipate that he’ll have a good year.”

Baldwin says he’s more comfortable in camp this year, and how could he feel any other way? His rookie season could not have gotten off to a worst start. Baldwin missed almost all of training camp and the first five games of the regular season because of a broken thumb sustained in a locker room fight.

He caught just 21 passes in 11 games but showed flashes of why the Chiefs made him the 26th overall pick when he caught five passes for 82 yards against San Diego, including a leaping 39-yard grab in the end zone after a nifty double move for his only touchdown of the season.

“I feel super-motivated,” said Baldwin. “I feel so much more comfortable, knowing the whole offense, building the relationship with the quarterbacks and the other receivers,” Baldwin said.

That comfort level began during offseason workouts and organized team activities (OTAs), when Baldwin made dazzling catches on almost a daily basis, particularly on fades in the corner of the end zone where the Chiefs — like most teams — don’t have defensive backs tall enough or with enough leaping ability to defend someone like Baldwin, who has 33½-inch arms and a 42-inch vertical leap, which led all receivers at the 2011 NFL combine.

“The main thing, to tell you the truth, is just to try and make every play,” Baldwin said. “That is one of my goals is to try to make those type of plays and to make plays, period. I was a basketball player, and rebounding was one of the things that I was able to do well. So I just try to translate that to when I played basketball back in the day on the football field.”

Baldwin, an all-state basketball player as well as all-state football player at famed Aliquippa (Pa.) High School before he went to the University of Pittsburgh, soon discovered how difficult the adjustment is for wide receivers going from the college to the NFL level.

Baldwin might have caught 110 passes for 1,933 yards and 13 touchdowns in his last two seasons in college, but the NFL was a quantum leap, even for someone with his hops.

“Coming from college, it’s a lot different,” he said. “You’re not open as long as you are in college. In college, you might be open for five seconds. You don’t have that time in the NFL. As you get more comfortable in the NFL, it’s a lot easier when you build your confidence.”

Baldwin built on his confidence from the offseason program with a vigorous workout regimen leading into training camp.

He ran six miles a day. He hit the Stairmaster for 25 minutes. Then the elliptical machine. And he showed up at hot high school fields and joined teammates running patterns for the Chiefs’ quarterbacks.

“We worked a lot on conditioning and agility,” Baldwin said. “If you’re conditioned, it’s half the battle. You don’t want to come to training camp and you’re struggling to get through the practices because you are out of shape. That was one of the main things I was focusing on.


“When you go to camp, you want to build team camaraderie. We talk to one another about certain things, where they want us to be on certain routes, what we saw, what they saw, it makes us a better team period.”

Baldwin and Cassel got crossed up on some routes in Friday’s first full practice of camp, but unlike last year, they have the luxury of time to correct the issues.

“All the rookies that came in last year got off to a slow start because of the simple fact they didn’t have the OTAs and the offseason to work together,” Cassel said of last year’s lockout, “so we spent a lot of time this offseason trying to build a relationship, build a rapport, talk through a bunch of different routes and how we see them conceptually and also against different defenses, so I think it was a lot of good work.

“Now that we’re out here against our defense and you get to see somebody else out in front of you, that’s when you start to really apply it and try to make strides.”

Chiefs cornerback Brandon Flowers thinks Baldwin and the team’s secondary will benefit from each other.

“Baldwin is a competitor,” Flowers said. “He has a great build on him. He feels like this is his year to make some plays for this team. It’s my job to step his game up, and it’s his job to keep me on my toes.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/07/28...#storylink=cpy

In58men 07-28-2012 11:25 PM

Can't find his jersey anywhere these days. Not those $250 ones.

RunKC 07-28-2012 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8775145)
So glad we have this stud on our team. Makes prima donnas like Bowe look like shit.

Jon Baldwin doesn't think he's worth Larry Fitzgerald or Megatron money either.

Pioli is playing the Bowe situation perfectly, whether you like it or not.

Hammock Parties 07-28-2012 11:46 PM

AGREED BOWE IS A DICK

MMXcalibur 07-28-2012 11:52 PM

Bring back Lance Long.

kysirsoze 07-28-2012 11:55 PM

This is probably all because Thomas "Super Locker Room Guy" Jones taught him some tough lessons about respect and being a teammate.

chefsos 07-28-2012 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 8775210)
This is probably all because Thomas "Super Locker Room Guy" Jones taught him some tough lessons about respect and being a teammate.

He probably kept calling him Jonathan.

kysirsoze 07-29-2012 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by chefsos (Post 8775213)
He probably kept calling him Jonathan.

It's Thom. T-H-O-M.

MMXcalibur 07-29-2012 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chefsos (Post 8775213)
He probably kept calling him Jonathan.

"HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY, JOHNNY CAKES!"

Bump 07-29-2012 12:11 AM

if Baldwin really truly wants to be great, he can be. I hope he backs up his talk because he is a gifted athlete. He just has to really want it, which it seems like he does, hopefully.

BigRock 07-29-2012 12:38 AM

Figures. I just went out today and bought John Baldwin's LeBaron.

RealSNR 07-29-2012 12:47 AM

If I were Baldwin and every time I stepped up to a mic and somebody asked me if I'm motivated because of what happened "last year", I'd rape them on sight. Then I'd tell them that I've moved on, but I doubt you'll have moved on from this one year from now.

Art Vader 07-29-2012 05:51 AM

he should just go by the last three letters of his name

W-I-N.

milkman 07-29-2012 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 8775185)
Jon Baldwin doesn't think he's worth Larry Fitzgerald or Megatron money either.

Pioli is playing the Bowe situation perfectly, whether you like it or not.

You have no idea what Bowe is asking for, so you have no idea if Pioli is handling the situation perfectly, or being a cheap ass bitch.

BoneKrusher 07-29-2012 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8775449)
You have no idea what Bowe is asking for, so you have no idea if Pioli is handling the situation perfectly, or being a cheap ass bitch.

rep

the Talking Can 07-29-2012 06:40 AM

Bowe flexed once...we'd rather lose than have a thug raping our daughters

whoman69 07-29-2012 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chefsos (Post 8775213)
He probably kept calling him Jonathan.

http://www.artafterdark.com/hidden2/Ali_lg1.jpg

notorious 07-29-2012 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chefsos (Post 8775213)
He probably kept calling him Jonathan.

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbn...cc7924cc2c1950

RealSNR 07-29-2012 08:34 AM

I can't wait until Baldwin beasts out the next few years, and then needs a new contract.

"I think he deserves a Greg Little-type contract. Something reasonable."

God forbid we ever actually find a real franchise QB who deserves at least 100 million.

"Quarterbackerson is good and I love what he does for our team, but let's all face it: he's worth 7 years and 80 million. 90 is pushing it and 100 million is just ****ing outrageous!"

prhom 07-29-2012 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8775519)

God forbid we ever actually find a real franchise QB...

I wouldn't worry too much about that if I were you.

BossChief 07-29-2012 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8775452)
Bowe flexed once...we'd rather lose than have a thug raping our daughters

You still whining even though you don't know any details?

Sad

the Talking Can 07-29-2012 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8775539)
You still whining even though you don't know any details?

Sad



how's that trade for Brown going, fantasy football guy?

did we get 2 or 3 firsts for Bowe?

BossChief 07-29-2012 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8775550)
how's that trade for Brown going, fantasy football guy?

did we get 2 or 3 firsts for Bowe?

I'd be fine with 2 seconds from a team like Cleveland or Miami...and then signing Wes Welker to replace him.

How angry does that make you? Haha

(not entirely serious, but close)

the Talking Can 07-29-2012 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8775565)
I'd be fine with 2 seconds from a team like Miami...and then signing Wes Welker to replace him.

How angry does that make you? Haha

it makes me laugh, like always


keep rocking, fantasy football guy

and don't forget, Bowe dropped a pass once

BossChief 07-29-2012 09:19 AM

Damn, caught me before the clarification edit.

Oh well...

ReynardMuldrake 07-29-2012 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8775145)
ST. JOSEPH -- The Chiefs’ first-round draft pick from 2011 wanted to establish something right away at the start training camp.

His first name is not Jonathan, as listed in rosters and other published materials. And it’s not John. It’s Jon.

“J-O-N,” emphasized wide receiver Jon Baldwin.

Oh really?

http://i.imgur.com/5Dpap.jpg

DTLB58 07-29-2012 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 8775185)
Jon Baldwin doesn't think he's worth Larry Fitzgerald or Megatron money either.

Pioli is playing the Bowe situation perfectly, whether you like it or not.

The thing is, IF Baldwin ends up turning into a stud, how much better would the Chiefs be with BOTH Bowe and Baldwin?

This idea that if Baldwin proves himself this year then the Chiefs can just trade or let Bowe walk is absurd. Keep both!

DTLB58 07-29-2012 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8775449)
You have no idea what Bowe is asking for, so you have no idea if Pioli is handling the situation perfectly, or being a cheap ass bitch.

Pioli is always a cheap ass bitch!

ZootedGranny 07-29-2012 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake (Post 8775623)
Oh really?

You literally quoted and bolded the line that says rosters have his name wrong. You're an awful detective, turn in your badge.

BigChiefFan 07-29-2012 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58 (Post 8775651)
The thing is, IF Baldwin ends up turning into a stud, how much better would the Chiefs be with BOTH Bowe and Baldwin?

This idea that if Baldwin proves himself this year then the Chiefs can just trade or let Bowe walk is absurd. Keep both!

I agree. The idea is to have the best team possible. I can't see anyway that we are better without Bowe than with him. He's only 27 and going into his prime. Trading him isn't our best move, IMO and I'll be disappointed if we trade him.

Pasta Little Brioni 07-29-2012 11:16 AM

M-O-O-N that spells Jon

ghak99 07-29-2012 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 8775775)
Quote:

Originally Posted by DTLB58 (Post 8775651)
The thing is, IF Baldwin ends up turning into a stud, how much better would the Chiefs be with BOTH Bowe and Baldwin?

This idea that if Baldwin proves himself this year then the Chiefs can just trade or let Bowe walk is absurd. Keep both!

I agree. The idea is to have the best team possible. I can't see anyway that we are better without Bowe than with him. He's only 27 and going into his prime. Trading him isn't our best move, IMO and I'll be disappointed if we trade him.

LMAO / Brandon Carr

notorious 07-29-2012 12:46 PM

Baldwin is going to be on NFL highlights a lot this year.


No, seriously. He will have to make circus catches every game because of the shit throws that Cassel craps out.

Titty Meat 07-29-2012 01:19 PM

If Baldwin being great this year means the end of Bowe in KC well then I hope Baldwin sucks.

-King- 07-29-2012 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8776019)
If Baldwin being great this year means the end of Bowe in KC well then I hope Baldwin sucks.

That makes no sense.
Posted via Mobile Device

Pasta Little Brioni 07-29-2012 01:25 PM

billay, that is kind of a reeruned thing to say when Bowe could be gone or even franchised either way.

-King- 07-29-2012 01:34 PM

If Baldwin is great, we still have a chance to re-sign Bowe and have 2 great WRs. Worst thing that can happen is that we lose Bowe and we're down to one great WR.

If Baldwin sucks, then we're right back to where we are now and we could even be worse off if Bowe decides to leave.

Hoping Baldwin sucks is reeruned thinking no matter your reasoning.

Titty Meat 07-29-2012 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8776030)
billay, that is kind of a reeruned thing to say when Bowe could be gone or even franchised either way.

If Bowe is tagged again things will get ugly.

Titty Meat 07-29-2012 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8776046)
If Baldwin is great, we still have a chance to re-sign Bowe and have 2 great WRs. Worst thing that can happen is that we lose Bowe and we're down to one great WR.

If Baldwin sucks, then we're right back to where we are now and we could even be worse off if Bowe decides to leave.

Hoping Baldwin sucks is reeruned thinking no matter your reasoning.


Dwayne Bowe is the greatest Chiefs WR since Otis Taylor. I dont want Bowe to leave. Period.

BossChief 07-29-2012 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8776052)
Dwayne Bowe is the greatest Chiefs WR since Otis Taylor. I dont want Bowe to leave. Period.

We are like an average guy that has been bangin 7s and 8s for a long time. We finally got a 9 to go out with us and after a month got her to sleep with us.

As soon as we pulled out, she starts demanding diamond rings and other expensive jewelry and cars (which would cost every penny we will ever make to afford) or she gives us the ultimatum that if she doesn't get these things, she will leave.

We go out and get her the biggest diamond ring available at the local Jerrads and give it to her and she basically says it's not big enough and that we need to search for a flawless 3 carat and the promise of a similar piece every year
or she isn't interested in us.

Are you the type of guy that moves on, or the type that does whatever it takes to make sure she stays with us?

-King- 07-29-2012 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8776123)
We are like an average guy that has been bangin 7s and 8s for a long time. We finally got a 9 to go out with us and after a month got her to sleep with us.

As soon as we pulled out, she starts demanding diamond rings and other expensive jewelry and cars (which would cost every penny we will ever make to afford) or she gives us the ultimatum that if she doesn't get these things, she will leave.

We go out and get her the biggest diamond ring available at the local Jerrads and give it to her and she basically says it's not big enough and that we need to search for a flawless 3 carat and the promise of a similar piece every year
or she isn't interested in us.

Are you the type of guy that moves on, or the type that does whatever it takes to make sure she stays with us?

Analogy trainwreck.

BossChief 07-29-2012 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8776133)
Analogy trainwreck.

We are currently 15 million under the cap....there are shittons of reports showing how the cap is gonna basically stay put the next 3-4 years.

After Albert and Bowes raises, how much left do you think we would have?

How about the rest of the contracts we have coming up before the salary cap increases?

BossChief 07-29-2012 02:23 PM

Oh, I forgot.

The salary cap doesn't exist.

Carry on.

ChiefsCountry 07-29-2012 02:26 PM

If Baldwin can beat out Bowe for the top wide receiver on this team then we will have one hell of WR corps.

BossChief 07-29-2012 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 8776161)
If Baldwin can beat out Bowe for the top wide receiver on this team then we will have one hell of WR corps.

It's too bad we have a two read quarterback to go with 7 good receiving options.

Hammock Parties 07-29-2012 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8776123)
We are like an average guy that has been bangin 7s and 8s for a long time. We finally got a 9 to go out with us and after a month got her to sleep with us.

As soon as we pulled out, she starts demanding diamond rings and other expensive jewelry and cars (which would cost every penny we will ever make to afford) or she gives us the ultimatum that if she doesn't get these things, she will leave.

We go out and get her the biggest diamond ring available at the local Jerrads and give it to her and she basically says it's not big enough and that we need to search for a flawless 3 carat and the promise of a similar piece every year
or she isn't interested in us.

Are you the type of guy that moves on, or the type that does whatever it takes to make sure she stays with us?

**** you.

-King- 07-29-2012 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8776149)
We are currently 15 million under the cap....there are shittons of reports showing how the cap is gonna basically stay put the next 3-4 years.

After Albert and Bowes raises, how much left do you think we would have?

How about the rest of the contracts we have coming up before the salary cap increases?

Players will come and go in the next 4 years. We won't be 15 million under the cap every year. We won't be paying the same players every year. For all we know, they could cut 20 players and be 30 mil under next season.


Regardless, Bowe would not cost the Chiefs all they would make LMAO

RealSNR 07-29-2012 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8776123)
We are like an average guy that has been bangin 2s and 3s for a long time. We finally got a 9 to go out with us and after a month got her to sleep with us.

As soon as we pulled out, she starts demanding diamond rings and other expensive jewelry and cars (which would cost every penny we will ever make to afford) or she gives us the ultimatum that if she doesn't get these things, she will leave.

We go out and get her the biggest diamond ring available at the local Jerrads and give it to her and she basically says it's not big enough and that we need to search for a flawless 3 carat and the promise of a similar piece every year
or she isn't interested in us.

Are you the type of guy that moves on, or the type that does whatever it takes to make sure she stays with us?

FYP.

The only WRs the Chiefs have been bangin' since Otis Taylor have been 500-pound behemoths with leprosy.

Hammock Parties 07-29-2012 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8776184)
FYP.

The only WRs the Chiefs have been bangin' since Otis Taylor have been 500-pound behemoths with leprosy.

Willie Davis was a good slampig.

RunKC 07-29-2012 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8775449)
You have no idea what Bowe is asking for, so you have no idea if Pioli is handling the situation perfectly, or being a cheap ass bitch.

You're a dumbass if you really think Bowe doesn't feel that way.

BigMeatballDave 07-29-2012 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8776050)
If Bowe is tagged again things will get ugly.

Why will it get ugly?

If he's tagged, he'll earn 11m+ next season.

BigChiefFan 07-29-2012 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8776177)
Players will come and go in the next 4 years. We won't be 15 million under the cap every year. We won't be paying the same players every year. For all we know, they could cut 20 players and be 30 mil under next season.


Regardless, Bowe would not cost the Chiefs all they would make LMAO

Exactly. There are over 20 players on the roster that have contracts that expire next off-season. Obviously, not all of those players will make the team, but the point stands, that the cap is different every year and we had ample money to get a deal done with Bowe this off-season and retain some quality players next year and the year after that, ect...

milkman 07-29-2012 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 8776188)
You're a dumbass if you really think Bowe doesn't feel that way.

I don't know Dwayne Bowe.

Never met the man.

I do know that he's been far more of a team player than most give him credit for.

He may well be asking for CJ or Fitz money.

I wouldn't blame him if he is.

I am not going to make this assumption because I am too far removed to have any real clue what is actually going on.

But, you go ahead and make an ass of yourself.

It looks good on you.

Titty Meat 07-29-2012 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8776195)
Why will it get ugly?

If he's tagged, he'll earn 11m+ next season.


I believe he would be 30 by the time he hits the market. He won't get as good of a deal at that age.

themanwithnoname 07-29-2012 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8776149)
We are currently 15 million under the cap....there are shittons of reports showing how the cap is gonna basically stay put the next 3-4 years.

After Albert and Bowes raises, how much left do you think we would have?

How about the rest of the contracts we have coming up before the salary cap increases?

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8776156)
Oh, I forgot.

The salary cap doesn't exist.

Carry on.

Yep, and contracts can't be renegotiated to open up more cap room. :rolleyes:

Unless Tyson Jackson has 15 sacks while maintaining his good run defense he's not going to be a $14 million hit against the cap next year.

BossChief 07-29-2012 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8776177)
Players will come and go in the next 4 years. We won't be 15 million under the cap every year. We won't be paying the same players every year. For all we know, they could cut 20 players and be 30 mil under next season.


Regardless, Bowe would not cost the Chiefs all they would make LMAO

Bowe isn't going anywhere unless we chose to let him walk.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8776184)
FYP.

The only WRs the Chiefs have been bangin' since Otis Taylor have been 500-pound behemoths with leprosy.

Haha that reminds me of a George Carlin joke.

I never once ****ed a 10.

But, one night, I ****ed 5 2s!

Ba dum pshhhhh
Quote:

Originally Posted by themanwithnoname (Post 8776250)
Yep, and contracts can't be renegotiated to open up more cap room. :rolleyes:

Unless Tyson Jackson has 15 sacks while maintaining his good run defense he's not going to be a $14 million hit against the cap next year.

what ****ing contracts are we gonna renegotiate?

Outside of Tyson Jacksons, there aren't any.

We have a metric ton of cheap talent right now.

The only guys making significant money JUST got signed.


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