Chiefs’ Tyson Jackson links his production to the team’s success
 

This is a great article about Tyson doing his job. #stillnotworth3rdpick

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/08/16...roduction.html

What would Jackson have to do, stats wise, for you guys to say he's not a bust?

Is that kind of guy worth a #3 pick? No.

But he was arguably the third best pick in the top 10. And with his restructured contract, I think he's a very good deal for the Chiefs. The Chiefs could have done a whole lot worse.

Given the shiftiness of that draft, I think the Chiefs did very well with the Jackson pick. And I have a feeling he's only getting better as he begins to focus more on refining his pass rush.

5+ sacks, 20+ hurries a year.

That's what JJ Watt did last season. Brett Keisel, too, to name another 3-4 team.

Is it me or do we not play quite the attacking style that the Steelers do up front?



I wish we would.



I would think that would be a pretty good barometer. If he gets 4 or 5 sacks I'd be ecstatic.

Can't really compare Pittsburgh to KC, as Pittsburgh plays a zone blitz whereas the Chiefs play a 2-gap. Not to say that a pass rush presence isn't nice in a 2-gap, ala Richard Seymour, but it's not the primary responsibility. Jackson is a lot more responsible for freeing opportunities for other guys than a 3-4 DE who plays 1-gap or zone blitz. Ty Warren was never a great pass rusher, but he was a very good lineman for New England.

Yeah, and all of this BS is completely destroyed when you go back to quotes about Tyson Jackson right after he was drafted.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article...F-9980D758521B

Three years later Tyson Jackson NEVER plays on third down.

Because he's one of the worst ****ing pass rushers in the league.

He's a bust.

Maybe now that he's figuring things out, he gets the pass rush element down?

I guess it's possible, but we drafted Allen Bailey and Dontari Poe to play in the nickel. Pretty specifically.

I'd be surprised if Tyson Jackson ever has 3 sacks in a season, let alone 5.

He's gonna have some chances to rush the passer in the base package and heavy stuff, so we will see. It would be nice for a 3 to 5 sack season from him.


One thing we haven't really talked about, was last year against Denver Tebows, we played some 4 man fronts and Dorsey really had a great game.


I'd like to see some situations where we get into that.

BTW, good article Clay. Tried to rep you, but I've given you too much already.

Jackson seems to have grown to the point where he is a serviceable player at his position in our scheme.

His job isn't to generate statistics, and his draft position is not relevant any longer. He has turned out to be a starter, he seems to be a relatively solid player. Not special, not flashy, but he is a good fit at a position where you can't just plug anyone in.

Better we overpaid for someone who can be a long term starter on a good defense than drafted a bust. It would have been nice to get him lower in the round, but as a player I don't have a problem with him at all. I think we should all stop loving to hate him and see him for what he is. A guy who is good enough to start on a good defense.

Cassel took a ton of heat of Jackson for the team's most hated player.

"Import dem hos!"

This paragraph is wrong in so many ways it's hard to keep track. Calais Campell had more tackles than either of them, JJ Watt and Justin Smith both had more tackles than Dorsey, and the Patriots and Ravens were not listed as 3-4 defenses by PFF last season, meaning none of their players would count as the 3-4 DEs he is trying to compare Jackson and Dorsey to.

If he meant stops rather than tackles, Campbell still had more than either Jackson or Dorsey.

If he meant total stops by two teammates, Campbell and Darnell Dockett had more than Jackson and Dorsey.

I can't figure out a way to read that paragraph without it being completely false.

Maybe he compared them to the actual Pitt and Balt players?


Doubt it.

Based on run stops: http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...efensive-ends/

But yeah the person that wrote the article didn't specify. Its typical KC media crap, and arguments beat to death a thousand times over.

Randy ****ed that up, but his heart was in the right place.

Jackson was #1 in run stop percentage last year.

He's come a long way from being dead last.

Those are both 1-gap 3-4s.

Do I need to bump that thread again, delineating the difference?

I forget who said it in another thread, but Jackson is clearly not a bust.

The selection right before Jackson was Jason Smith, the #2 overall pick by the Rams who just lost his job to Barry Richardson.

That's a bust.

To label Jackson a bust is to stretch the meaning of the word so bizarrely that the word ceases to have any meaning.

No, you don't.

Do I need to link you to the post in this thread where Scott Pioli and Todd Haley tell us they think Tyson Jackson can be a pass rusher?

And it turns out they were wrong about that dimension of his game.

Your point?

My point is to ever say he was worth that pick, he needs to post numbers like JJ Watt.

He's a bust as a #3 pick.

Not a bust as a player. Solid player.

Why does this make you so butthurt? Stick to sucking off marginal donkey talent.

Wow look at the top 10 and how all the hyped up players have sucked. It makes Jackson look like a lot better of a pick in hindsight.

Yes

When they drafted Jackson, Chiefs officials compared him to former Dallas Cowboys end Russell Maryland, who didn’t roll up a lot of sacks in the Cowboys’ 3-4 scheme but helped win three Super Bowl rings.

That comment right there takes away any credibility from this hack writer. Dallas played the classic one gap attacking 4-3 defense. Jimmy Johnson was never a 3-4 guy or a 2 gap guy.

If this article (and every other article that claims a DL doesn't rush the passer) is true, Dorsey & Jackson are pretty good. But alas, this is more sugar for fat folks.

Neither player is a bust, just one demensional so far. I expect Tyson Jackson to have sacks this season. Hell, I expect doughboy Dorsey to get at least one sack this year.

You are beating it to death and for no reason. Going into that draft, we as fans knew our options were extremely limited. Replace Albert at LT, take Raji, a pass rusher we were all skeptical of, or the safe pick in Jackson. We also knew we would like to have traded down, but it wasn't an option.

Given how things turned out for the other guys, and that draft as a whole, we did damned good.

You act as though all #3 overalls are equal in value they are not. That year, there weren't 10 players deserving of a top 10 pick, we were screwed. Whereas this past drafts #3 was extremely valuable b/c of the talent available. Hell, in 2010, 5th round picks were worth the moon.

STOP BLABBING ABOUT IT! HE'S NOT A BUST! No matter how you slice it. It was a solid pick and amounted to more than most picks in that draft did in relationship to their draft position.

Refuse to admit it was a good pick when there were literally 10-15 other players who were better picks in the first round alone.

And every single team in the NFL and every member of their staffs blew every single draft pick they had before the 199th pick in the 2000 draft b/c Brady is the best player.

The 2000 NFL draft picks 1-198 = BUST!

Just talking about the first round. ROFL

Settle down. It's OK to admit he will never be worth that pick and there were several options that were better...quite obviously, even on draft day, I might add.

?Such as?

Brian Orakpo.

Crennel was asked in a TC Presser this week to evaluate TJ to this point and he said, "Tyson Jackson is a good football player for our team. That's the most important thing I think. He has grown since I've been here. He understands the system. I've seen improvement in his technique and overall ability".
"I think he will have a good year this year, now him having a good year for me, might not be a good year for some other people. It's the same thing I said about Poe the other day, If you can do what I want you to do for THIS defense then you are doing okay. And if what you do helps this team win, then everyone will be happy.

He was then asked to define a good year and he said "He does what I ask him to do on a consistent and regular basis, and that's a good year".

I'd rather have Orakpo or Raji, but that doesn't mean I'm disappointed in TJ, I think he's fine, and he's doing what he was drafted to do.

Almost every draft there are players that turn out to be really good to great after the Chiefs pick. In '05 the Chiefs could have drafted Aaron Rogers, I'm not unhappy they drafted DJ, it just happens.

Carl Peterson.

Scott Pioli.

It just happens!

What are you saying?

The reality is, it's best to view draft picks in the context of the whole draft, because there can always be a draft pick who doesn't perform as high as his place in the draft. It is not a perfect science. Sometimes not taking certain players at certain picks in the draft is a risk that teams don't want to take, and competitively cannot afford to take. Hopefully there are lower draft picks who perform at higher levels and it balances out, when someone drafted higher goes "bust". But no one bitches about the Justin Houston draft that appears to be a steal.

Chiefs identify Poe as the size and physique of a certain kind of player ideal to play NT. As such a prospect, and one that is rare, they risked a first round pick for a player whose collegiate performance is what it is. Everyone knows Crennell must coach him up or Poe will not bring the performance warranted for a number eleven. But the risk taken was to obtain a kind of rare and so highly desireable role player that the team felt they could not afford to hope to draft in a later round. We'll see how it turns out.

Making excuses for shitty GMs and saying "it just happens!" is some bullshit, son.

I don't think either one was or is a shitty GM. Peterson became one, because he overstayed his welcome by about ten years.

So, DJ was a bad pick?

DJ was a decent pick for sure.

But good GMs make genius moves like picking Rodgers, and average to shitty GMs JUST HAPPEN to draft linebackers.

Yay!

Chiefs are REAAALLLY lacking at OLB

In 2009 we sure were.

Now we aren't lacking at LDE or OLB, so why does it matter?

Don't make me bring up Josh Freeman again.

Whooopppeeee. Just because we have Cassel doesn't mean we can't hope for something better than Mr. 4-12.

Did even the Packers know Rogers was going to turn into what he did? If they did, why not trade up to get him because they couldn't risk the best player in the draft would still be there when they picked? I mean they were the one team that knew an all pro was just sitting there? It wasn't genius. The draft is 80% luck. There are outright bad picks (Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf) but most of the time you draft a player and hope he figures out how to make the jump to the NFL. Why wasn't Brady drafted higher? Why wasn't Tony Romo drafted at all? No, it's not bad GMing when you don't get these players, it's bad GMing when you get nothing out of the draft. Pioli is getting good drafts so far.

I'll be kind and just say I think you're confused about how the draft works.

He fell into thier laps. It wasn't a stroke of genius by any means. Kind of like Pats almost drafting Tim Rattay over Brady.

DJ, an all pro ILB, was a decent pick.



Cool.



Actually, I agree with Clay. Take the qb, build around him.

No!

That's what makes it such a great pick.

Doofus.

Shitty GMs keep picking LBs and 5tecs, good GMs go get a ****ing QB.

Now you can go and get your ****ing shinebox.

Then our GM is a good one, his first move was to go get a qb. I'm confused.

Love this attitude.

Bill Polian, architect of three successful franchises, says hi!

Your username should be blow.city for how much you suck clays cock
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The guy who successfully drafted the safest qb pick to ever come out says hi, oh hello to him.

How so?

Because I out troll him?

Prefer to think of Casshole as a TE.

Ah.



He would increase our depth at that spot.



Actually, he probably wouldn't .

I like Josh F, but this team was so void of talent, I would have done it mostly the way Pioli has done it -- sans the Cassel trade. Cassel was getting his clock cleaned regularly those first seasons as a Chief.

This team lost 8 QB's to injury during the 3 seasons prior, not a good QB environment.

But they are at least set up with some good OT's now, so I'm on the Landry Jones bandwagon.

Eh, no to Landry Jones.



Tyler Wilson please. Or Geno Smith.

I shouldn't have limited it to just clay.

You are always slobbing someone's knob around here though.
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Ok, sorry I guess.



How can I change in your keen eyes? Just be more of a jackass?

just do you man. Just do you.
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Curious, I thought I was refuting Clay, not slobbing but I digress.

Keep on keepin on O. You are a fine poster.

Wilson will be gone long before the Chiefs are on the clock. I like Geno Smith.

Well if things go as planned, or as hoped, we won't really need anything else. Go get Wilson if he is the guy you like the best and place him in the fire with this hopefully seasoned talented roster.

Alert: suck fest in this thread.
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Let me get this straight, you want to replace Matt Cassel with Matt Cassel 2.0?

http://e.asset.soup.io/asset/0425/9870_d547.gif

Did I mention that Jason Sauto guy? What a dick. :)

**** yeah, you been peeking through my windows again huh?

I'll try to make sure it's covered from now on...
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But I always thought it was quite a nice one myself.
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Don't like suckfests? Stay out of the 3 word thread. Heh.

Bill Polian is maybe the best GM of the last 30 years, he's been lucky and good and he's had stinker drafts too. Wow! he was there when the best QB of the past 20 years was sitting there at 1. If you don't really give Pioli credit for Berry, then don't give Polian credit for Manning because he fell in his lap. The Bills already had Kelly and Reed, it was impressive what he did with the panthers, but he did draft Rae Carruth too.



So I'll end with Shut up dillhole!

Okay Nick Wright.

Keep telling it like it is.

Really? The consensus on this board and by most fans was that Orakpo had bust written all over him. #workoutwarriorsfor1000Alex

Why are you and every other fan concerned about one year? You think Pioli's goal is to build a team that can have success one year? No, he's stated many times(and it's painfully obvious) that high goal is to build a strong consistent football team that can maintain success for a number of years.

Can't do that if all you think about is next year.