29th in Scoring Defense
 

6 first round picks
3 second round picks

I'm surprised people aren't talking more about what an absolute abortion this defense is.

29th in yards per play

7th worst yards per rush
2nd most 20+ yard runs

We all knew the QB situation going in to this season. Defense was supposed to be a strength. It's what Crennel is supposed to be good at.

We can't pressure. We can't cover. We can't stop the run.

This entire defense is sucking at a Cassel level. Not a single player has been consistently good.

"What's the point..."

That's what is running through the minds of our defenders. Look what they did to Baltimore...how the **** do we lose that game?

What was the Bucs offense rated coming into this game? IIRC, they were around 26th or so, and they rolled up on us like the '99 Rams.

This entire organization is a dumpster fire freefalling from the peak of K-2.

They visibly quit in the second half today. There is no motivation or morale on this team anymore, especially on defense. "Hey guys, lets stop them here so our offense can go 3 and out and we'll have to do this shit all over again."

I'm sorry, I didn't read your post. I was busy plotting my ritual suicide.

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Ok...what's the excuse for the other five games where they went Houdini?

Give us a real DC an I bet our defense plays better than they have and is a top 10 defense. It is like no one on this team cares this year and there is no one to step up and lead and motivate them.

That, unfortunately, looks like the truth of what's happening out there.

Special teams was the only unit that looked as though they had their heads in the game.

Everybody else looked like they'd just heard Eric Winston give a pep talk.

FAX

That's bullshit though. This D has allowed 1st qtr scoring at a disgusting pace. It's not like last year where they were stout until they wore down. They've been ****ing awful from the coin flip.

Incredible.

30th ranked O, 32 ranked pass D and we got ****ing smoked! Anyone still defending this team needs to be euthanized immediatly

someone doesnt have a clue what their doing, is it Pioli evaluating talent or Romeo's scheme?

But, for the most part, this is the same defense as last year. Doesn't that pretty much mean the answer is coaching, or lack thereof?

It's called "bad scheme".

Every time this defense attacks, they play well.

The only time this season they attcked from the opening gun was Baltimore.

They shot gaps and run blitzed, they sent Houston and Hali, and another blitzer fater Flacco, and they stunted an offense that had been having success.

Every other game we've seen the same old shit bend but don't break bullshit that Crennel still believes.

I've seen enough of that bullshit 2-3-6 scheme to want to hire a hit man to take out Romeo.

It's even worse when you factor in the position in the respective rounds.

3 top 5 picks
5 of the 6 first rounders in the top 15
2 of the 3 2nd rounders in the top 10 of round 2

Under-performing? Overrated?


Maybe these guys just aren't as good as we convinced ourselves of.

No question Crennel's schemes are a total mess. His defensive gameplans have been horrible.

But what about individual effort? Our "star" players are rarely winning their individual battles. Dbacks routinely beat. Passrushers invisible for marathon stretches.

Who is the defensive MVP? Houston based on about 4 qtrs of play? No one even stands out beyond a rare play.

No leadership and poor preparation lead to uninspired play.

They don't care. Why should they when the head coach gives out consolation prizes and enjoys moral victories?

Braincase!!!!

Can you fly a plane? Can you fly that same plane with a banner attached to it? Just asking since someone in the game thread had a hot idea for those that are going to die anyway. :P

Unpossible. I was informed here last week, and last year, and during the offseason, that we have a top 10 defense.

lol no leadership

you are paying ****ing Tamba Hali 70 million

Tyson Jackson will get like 14 million NEXT SEASON ALONE

Derrick Johnson and Brandon Flowers are payed handsomely as well

NO LEADERSHIP from these guys? These guys have huge contracts and certainly arent playing like it and should have a much bigger impact on the team and the culture

I am talking Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, James Hasty type impact

I dont care how bad the coaching is. Tampa Bay is ****ing terrible and Ronde Barber is a clear leader and elevates rookies like Mark Barron to take a huge shit on the Chiefs today, for example. Antrelle Rolle made the 49ers his bitch today. Leadership

i dont care how bad the scheme is. Some of these guys on the defense got paid and rewarded for the individual talent and should play like it. and they have clearly mailed it in. None of these guys have "it"

We dont have a Justin Smith or Patrick Willis or an Ed Reed or Jared Allen or a guy that sets himself apart. These guys just phone it in every week go through the motions collect their paycheck

They do if you don't count the copious amounts of points they're giving up :D

I believe overall they were 29th or 30th if I remember correctly, they were 26th in passing and around the same with rushing. They showed the stats during the game in the first half, so I'm working from that memory. The point is that they were not nearly as good as we made them look. The career day Greg Robinson defense rears its ugly head yet again!

The crazy thing is we basically dominated Baltimore a week earlier. They had less than 300 yards against us, and unlike Tampa; were actually a very good offense. I'm not sure exactly what happened. Its not like Tampa dominated the time of possession. I think the team sees the writing on the wall and has pretty much given up all hope.

Today during the game, Gannon talked about the DL and the high draft picks we have on it. It was an understatement for him to say that this defensive line has underperformed their pedigree...

I don't give a rat's ass who gets paid what.

Leadership is an instinctive, inherent trait.

It comes from guys with charisma and fire that permeates throughout the squad.

Hali, Flowers and DJ are not natural leaders.

And Tyson Jackson is just a guy.

This team needs that guy that puts a fire in other's belly, and that is just another failure of Pioli.

He's gotten so caught up in character, he's forgotten about other qualities.

yeah other qualities. Like playmakers and athletic talent. Imagine that. This team lacks it thanks to Pioli drafting character midgets and development raw o-line and d-line prospects

The difference between the '88 Chiefs defense and the '89 Chiefs defense.

DT.

And you threw Patrick Willis in the conversation.

Why was that San Francisco defense so mush better last year than 2010?

Patrick Willis wasn't a leader in '10, but developed leadership in the offseason between the end of '10 and the start of '11.

Coaching, scheme, and preparation makes a difference.

We have 19 turnovers. Even the greatest of defenses can't succeed when handed that.

The defense starts failing before the turnovers start happening. Certainly turnovers greatly affect the end result, but turnovers don't excuse what this D has been doing the last 6 weeks.

I believe that number is 21 now.

Because the QB sucks, people have been giving this defense a pass for a long time.

It stinks too. It has basically 1 emerging superstar in Houston, one really good pass rusher in Hali and a bunch of guys who just look lost.

It was 7-3 at halftime.

Then the defense decided, "**** this shit," immediately to start the second half. Immediately. No negative contribution from the offense.

D is not good.

And this was against a bad offense with a QB who had completed 54.6 percent of his passes entering the game.

We're in a world of shit.

Once again, the Raven game gave us a glimpse of what this D can be.

There are a couple of areas that still need to improve, but this defense still can be very good if they are put into a position to succeed.

This defense wouldn't be in the top 10 if the entire Marvel Comic and Avenger characters were starting.

I always get a kick out of how many Chiefs fans on CP clown Ray Lewis. If we had 1 guy that had half his heart or attitude, we wouldn't be talking about lack of leadership. Right now I'd trade any 2 players on this D for his broke down old ass, simply for the attitude.

I'm not even sure we have the talent we think we do. Hali has always made up for athletic deficiencies with motor, and the guy is getting old now. He very well may have peaked and is on the decline. How many times do we think DJ has finally turned the corner, only to have him disappear, or worse, star in the lowlights video? Flowers used to dominate entire series, but the guy seems to be falling off. I pray it's scheme. Our Dlinemen are just a lost cause. dorsey was a legit prospect that we ruined by scheme change. Jackson is exactly what he was the day he was drafted too high. A one dimensional role player. Poe I pray proves me wrong in my expectations. Berry is the only guy that really has an excuse, plus he's being utilized poorly. I still hold out hope that he can claim that leader role, he strikes me as having the personality.

thats what I see, too.
Letting Shaun Smith walk for mere peanuts is just a microcosm of what you are talking about here.

That guy and others like him are exactly what this team missed last year and this.

Tyson Jackson might be one of the all time worst top three picks of all time.

He makes Ryan Sims look like Reggie White.

The only reason that pos is still on the team is it would have made Pioli look bad to cut his ass.

I was just thinking that earlier. It seems absurd to be pining for Sacksquash, but at least the guy had a nasty streak. this defense hasn't played with bad intentions since the mid 90s, and now we have Romeo Ruxpin and his scheme that makes eunuchs out of defensive players.

Patrick Willis was also only like 25 with a huge ceiling and potential.

We are talking Derrick Johnson who is 30 and Tamba Hali who will be 29 in a month.

These guys are in their primes now. Hit their ceilings and are capped. They should be playing with more urgency than they are. And they lack leadership. Patrick Willis was still very very very young when the 49ers were terrible.

with our defense, it's not the players, it's the ****ing coaches. How could they have gotten that much worse?

Tyson Jackson makes Jamarcus look like a reasonable pick.

I've been saying it for months -- there is no vet leadership worth a shit on this team. Winston is an idiot. He false started again today, didn't he? JFC. Whimps.

Same as Cassel...

I bet Clark is happy about that 110 million that Pioli threw out the window trying to look like the smartest man in the room, and in turn, looking like the village idiot.

i will always wonder who Todd Haley wanted in the 09 draft instead of Pioli overruling him and taking his d-line patriots way crap pick

even though I didnt want any part of him, I will always wonder what Mark Sanchez could have been with a demanding coach like Haley instead of Ryan.

DJ, Hali and others have reverted to the guys they were prior to Haley...I wonder how much that type of effect might have changed Sanchez.

One, probably none of the these players are going to be on the roster if we become a playoff team again.

this. If these Patriots way idiots go then this team will be gutted before we ever sniff the playoffs and by that time guys like DJ and Hali will be well pass their primes

and I hope guys like Tyson Jackson and friends are long gone from this team

Bullshit.

I know it seems like a major overhaul is due, but if we get a DC that specializes in a 1 gap zone blitzing/attacking defensive scheme...a HC that specializes in developing quarterbacks and knows how to develop schemes to fit the talent we have and a GM that can get us a damn QB this team will turn this around faster than some might think.

where are we getting this good magical DC. Good defensive minds dont exactly grow on trees anymore in this pass happy league.

The ones that did are all currently head coaches and they are struggling at that most of them. (Ryan, Pagano, Frazier, etc)

Gunter is still an NFL DC for gods sake in this league. Finding the right one is a lot harder than you think. Romeo sucks, but the next guy we bring in isnt going to be some scheme savior that turns these players into talent gods like some people think and expect this "talent" (I use this term loosely when describing Chiefs players here) to be

Tyson Jackson has two more career sacks than I do.

Ryan Sims got A LOT of shit for being a bust. Tyson Jackson seems to get more of a pass for some reason. This guy shouldn't even be playing in the NFL.

Let's see, we've got talent, we've got bad coaching, and we've got a mess of a front office with a meddlesome executive.

Yep, we've become the Al Davis Raiders of the past decade. What's next, drafting the next JaMarcus Russell?

the saddest part:

Being that Pioli insisted on letting a superior player (Shaun Smith) walk for close to the NFL minimum to save his own ego for burning a top 3 pick on TJ...TJ got a playing time escalator in his contract activated and that forced us to restructure his deal or cut him.

So, Pioli restructured his deal so that Tyson Jackson makes 8 million dollars this year and almost 15 million next year.

The ****ing idiot clowned Dallas for giving Orton a "very lucrative" contract (less than 10 million over 3 years) while making moves like this one...

Can the clown, Clark.

Tyson Jackson and Matt Cassel may be the two worst moves this team has made in my lifetime.

120 million paid to these two clowns (57 to TJ, 63 to MC)...and he plays hardball with guys like Dwayne Bowe...

I said all this during the offseason...but people coughcoughBossChiefcough insisted Pioli was doing the right thing with Bowe. LMAO

I never said that. I posted probably 25 times that I would have given Bowe 7/100 with 40 guaranteed.

All I ever said in Piolis defense was that if Bowe didn't want to sign here that we should trade him and sign a guy like Vincent Brown to replace him with.

I still think we should have.

Id trade him tomorrow because he is obviously gone after this season and is gonna be 29 anyway.

Chiefs PR found the silver lining.

Makes me want to kick a puppy.

I just can't help but point out that EVERY team gets a first rounder and second rounder EVERY year. If you consider you would split them evenly across offense and defense for ten years, every team SHOULD have five first round picks and five second round picks playing on defense.

However, most teams have enough depth that they aren't forced to (or decide not to) march out underachieving high picks.

Yes, our defense sucks, but it is not like we invested so much more heavily in the defense than other teams out there.

We have the talent - it's the leadership and coaching we lack...

Where, on talent alone, do you think our defensive personnel ranks with the rest of the league?

I see a team being beat by lack of talent short-term, and not developing what talent they have long-term. (which is, of course, lack of coaching).

I did the same thing. Turned the channel to the Discovery Channel in the 2nd quarter to watch the dude jump from 24 miles up. Missed the entire 2nd quarter, and I haven't done something like that in like... well, forever. And sad thing is, I really never thought, at any point, that I was missing out on anything in the Chiefs game.

And that sort of makes me sad, 'cause I am a lifer that has seen this team win and lose a Super Bowl.

You guys need a good old fashioned house cleaning like we just had... Bring in some fresh young minds.

Oh sure if we hadn't got rid of all those players and Hue we may have won 3 games this year, on our way to another 8-8 season but I am tired of that shit.. I want my boys to be consistently competitive every week against anyone, I am tired of being the underdog every week, I personally love the progress so far even with the bad record

:thumb:

I can't wait for the day when the Raiders and Chiefs rule the AFC again! That is when football is at it's best for me!

Hell Ya! , That was a fun time.. It was always the National game when our teams met, now it has little meaning to most.

I liked coming over here and running my mouth and talking smack, I want those days back.

The Chiefs defense has the 28th worst starting field position in the NFL. The four behind them are Philly, Tennessee, Oakland, and Buffalo.

Not a coincidence, four of these five teams with Philly being the exception, makeup the 28, 29, 31, and 32nd ranked scoring defenses.

no ya don't. when the next staff gets in here, there are going to be a few "key players" of this defense shipped out.

:thumb: No doubt!

Applause for Romeo Crennel, please.

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Game Notes

- So what do you do with the 3-4 outside linebacker who’s most productive pass rusher at his position? Well if you’re the Chiefs and have Justin Houston, in this game, you rush him nine times and drop him into coverage 20.

Exactly. The "bend but don't break" is broken.

They've allowed something like 70 points off turovers, that's the bigger story.