**** OFFICIAL 2012-2013 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread ****
 

#1 Seed South Region (31-5,14-4,5-0)

Roster

Non-Con Schedule

Conference Schedule

Post Season
Thu, March 14 TT at Kansas (W 91-63)
Fri, March 15 Iowa State at Kansas (W 88-73)
Sat, March 15 Kansas State at Kansas (W 70-54)
Fri, March 22 (16)Western Kentucky vs (1)Kansas (W 64-57)
Sun, March 24 (8)UNC vs (1)Kansas (W 70-58)
Fri, March 29 (4)Michigan at (1)Kansas Cowboys Stadium, Arlington, TX 6:37PM

in!

ESPN 30 for 30 "There's No Place Like Home" is on right now.

Figured I'd post this in the new thread.

IN IT TO WIN IN.

Looking forward to another great year.

Bill Self calls and says 'buy it'

You gotta buy it.

If it weren't for KU basketball all my teams would suck. It must suck to be an MU sports fan lol. :). I feel bad for them really though I wish them the best. Sucking sucks.

I couldn't even imagine if I also rooted for a loser in College Hoops.

David booth is a straight up KILLER in the auction house.

Let's do this.

Found a new reason to hate Duke

Seriously.......**** Duke

Please elaborate.

When do you guys think you will get to see a copy of the rules of football?

Michigan State is gonna ****ing kill you!

Some rich Duke Alum was in an auction bidding war with the Booth for the orig rules of bball. And the way it sounded was that he was purposely upping the amount because he knew Booth wouldn't quit until he won.

Why?

I am a Michigan State bball fan but I am not being serious with that comment. Just trying to act tough.

After a year of Royals baseball and Chiefs football, I am hoping State doesn't let me down. Although I have a feeling they will this year. :(

The wife and I were planning on going to Late Night. Went to dropped the kids off, and my daughter tied a rope around my mom's cats neck, who then took off and hid under a wood pile. My mom sat outside waiting for the cat to come out, so we didn't get to go.

:(

ROFL

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That was a great documentary.

Oh, and **** Duke.

Cliff's Notes?

Hardcore KU fan read in NY Times that original rules of basketball by James Naismith were auctioning up for sale.

KU fan researches top KU donors (rich guys) and flies around the country to meet up with these donors to try and convince them to put forth the money to buy these 13 Commandments of Basketball. Meanwhile it goes into the history of KU and basketball and the coaching tree etc.

Only one donor is left to reach out to...the Booth family of course. He gets together with Phog Allen's family in Mission Hills and tries to pitch to the school on why these NEED to be at Allen Fieldhouse, but KU (the school) isn't buying that these "rules" are authentic and originally don't want anything to do w/ them. Think it's a bad investment.

Bill Self comes in and tells the school to STFU I'm Bill ****ing Self, ruler of everything that is Kansas and you do what I say. So then the school is on board w/ this idea.

This kid gets this all together in like 20days..includes meetings, flying around the country to meet w/ legendary KU coaches players etc to try and make the sales pitch to Booth to put up the money to win this item.

Auction starts and these rules and also with some other awesome items like the original Emancipation Proclamation signed by Abe Lincoln himself and a flag that was standing at Custards Last Stand.

Booth was only thinking about spending $1M maybe $1.5M.....some other asshole was bidding and increasing and increasing the bid...all the way up to $3.8M and Booth still kept to his word bless his heart and the other guy who wanted them was a snobby jew Duke grad and knew the other person in the bidding (Booth) wasn't going to quit so he kept bidding what seemed to be on purpose.

But Booth got them.

It was an awesome documentary. Unrelenting will, loyalty, and genrerosity.

Great scene with the Sotheby auction. Fantastic.

It was pretty intense even knowing what the outcome would be.

If I was that fan, I would have left the god damn room. LMAO


or maybe not...that's probably what kept Booth from saying "no" who knows..

You should be banned for this remark. **** you.

<- just another Jew

Finally...

A team I follow who ****ing wins.

YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!

I want to give some random stranger a diamond cutter now!!

Wow

That's probably in West Virginia right now. About to be rammed up KSU's butt.

All you goys should quit kvelling about CoMo's anti-Semitic schtick.

Gasp! Omg!

Whos the other top three team going to be with Kansas and Iowa State?

Watched it. Wondered what I just watched. Thought about it for a while.

So really, the filmmaker did absolutely nothing. It took him begging Mark Allen (Phog's grandson) to talk to Booth. Allen was reluctant until his wife helped convince him. Then he (Allen) flew down to Austin and met with Booth, who was still unconvinced. Then Mark Allen called Bill Self as a last resort, who in turn called Booth and asked him to buy it. After a call from Self, Booth goes from saying $1 mil max to spending $4.3 mil on it.

So really, this idiot 1% fan (the type that cries after losses and annoys you by telling you that they know everything about KU hoops), who most psychologists would consider a bit overboard in their support for the team, did nothing other than take credit for buying the rules in which he really had no part of. Plus he looked like a little child hiding behind that Naismith picture while Booth was doing the bidding.

Seriously, nobody pissed in my cereal this morning or anything like that. This 30 for 30 was by far the worst of them all, and could only appeal to KU fans. I imagine that 99% of non-KU fans turned this off 5 minutes into it. Again, this guy did absolutely nothing other than take credit for something he really had nothing to do with. All he did was sabotage two of our biggest boosters and the edit job made them look like they were clueless.

Count me among the few who found the documentary to be average at best.

Baylor and OSU will both be really strong this year

Larry Brown is disappoint.
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The 9.79* documentary about Ben Johnson and Carl Lewis was fantastic last week (don't know if you saw that one), so it's disappointing to hear that about the KU one. I'll probably still watch it at some point, though.

Don't get me wrong, as a KU fan, it's fine to watch. But outside the scope of that, it falls well short of the standard that 30 for 30 has set.

It's really about a superfan with a camera blindsiding donors from thinking they are discussing KU hoops to asking them for millions of dollars. I don't buy it for one minute that Booth wouldn't have found out about the rules being put up for auction. Lovers of the film will argue that superfan got Booth on board. It's simply not true and superfan's own documentary proves it. Booth wanted nothing to do with it until Mark Allen had Bill Self call him.

The only thing I will give superfan credit for is that he somehow forced his way into Dr. Mark Allen's home at 11pm and convinced him to fly to Austin to talk to Booth. But Allen's wife had a hand in that convincing as well, plus I believe he felt it was a duty to his grandfather (Phog) to make this happen.

Ultimately, it all falls on Bill Self being who he is.

In the guys defense, he never intended for this to be a 30 for 30 documentary. The guy works at a production company and used the "documentary" excuse to get away from work and try to influence people to buy the rules and return them home. I think most of us KU fans can agree that this dude was over the top, and the way he presented himself in some of those situations was less than professional, but at the end of the day he did put forth a lot of effort to get this done. Could the rules have made it into Booth's hands without Josh? Probably. I don't think Josh is taking credit single handedly here. He was a passionate fan who sought after the guys that could make this happen, put some pieces together, went through some ups and downs, and actually put 100% into something he cared about... all while documenting the entire thing.

Only after he put the film together did ESPN come along and use his story for a documentary in the 30for30 series. As far as that's concerned, there has been no other college featured in a way that KU was featured last night, and that's something KU fans CAN be proud of, and SHOULD be proud of. Whether the guy was a goober or not is irrelevant. His efforts put Kansas and this story in the national spotlight for everyone around the country to see. If you're even half of a college basketball fan you can appreciate the story behind what Sotheby's described as "the most important piece of sports memoriabilia in existence". That's something to be pretty damn proud of as a Kansas fan.

Rock Chalk.

I'm not arguing whether it was good for KU or not. As you said, it was a great thing for KU. And a great thing for Booth to do for his alma mater.

I just felt like Josh tried to paint himself as the one who got the rules to KU. Sure, he filmed it. And he came with the annoying plan to blindside our best and biggest boosters with a request for millions of dollars. I just feel that since his whole purpose was to be the lead dog on getting the rules to KU, in the end, he really didn't do anything at all other than film it.

Oh well. I'm just not gushing over it like I've seen many do on Facebook and Twitter.

Rock Chalk!

I agree some things could have been better, but I don't know how you get in front of those boosters WITHOUT blindsiding them. Had he come out and said, "I'm coming in to ask for money to get the rules of bball back to Kansas," he would have been hung up on before he finished the sentence. He didn't necessarily lie to them, as he was filming a documentary.

As for showing up to places unannounced, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Persistence can be a powerful thing, and in this case it was. I don't think Dr. Allen was upset, and his wifes enthusiasm about keeping the rules out of the dookies hands was proof that there was passion among the Allens as well.

Personally I thought the guy sucked as a salesman. He had a bunch of long awkward pauses when he was making his pitches, and really had nothing to say to the first few boosters that basically told him no. He assumed coming there and breaking some news to these guys was going to singlehandedly sway their decisions.

I gotta hand it to him though, to get the meetings he did in the 20 days that he had, was pretty impressive. Between the big donors, national media, past coaches, the Allen family, past players, etc., he really had to have been busy.

You can definitely tell this was an amateur hour documentary, and Josh is definitely one of the annoying fans of a fanbase, but he "made it happen". Can't fault him there.

It actually proves just the opposite. As soon as Josh mentioned it, Booth immediately said he was in for a million dollars on them. It was only after the university said that it was a bad investment did he back off. Josh's persistence paid off by getting Self and Allen to talk to him. Neither of those things happen without Swade.

He didn't force his way in at all. Allen's wife heard about the plight through the radio/media and invited him to come out. Did you even watch the thing? It seems like you didn't.

It's true that it ultimately doesn't happen without Self and Allen, but without Swade, none of it happens at all.

Also, Ron Howard tweeted that it was a great documentary, so not everyone hated it.

Yes, and once KU told him to think twice about it, he did, and had his assistant tell Josh he was out. Then Mark Allen and Bill Self talked him back into it. Side note - I thought this made KU bad just a little bit.


Yes, I did happen to watch it. Which is why I formed an opinion on it. And actually, if you watched it, you would surely remember the scene where Josh claims he showed up to Dr. Allen's house uninvited for a second time at 11pm. So yes, he did essentially force his way in where he begged Dr. Allen to do something more. And because I happened to watch the documentary, I also noticed that Dr Allen's wife helped motivate him to do more, as well as Dr Allen addressing that he wanted to help do it for his grandfather.

This is where I have my doubts. Superfan Josh certainly went out of his way to try to get people to do it. But it ultimately fell on Dr. Allen feeling compelled to take time out of his life to fly down to Austin, meet with Booth, and then call Coach Self.

I won't disagree with you that he brought this to their attention. But that is pretty much all he did.

Nowhere did I say that anyone hated it. I didn't even claim that I hated it. I just didn't find it to be all that great. I believe I even claimed I was likely in the minority that didn't think it was the best thing I've ever watched, like most KU fans on Twitter and Facebook were doing last night around 8:15

Just watched the 30 for 30 documentary. Holy shit David Booth is pimp!

But that doesn't mean he wasn't interested. He absolutely was. Agree about KU coming off looking badly a bit, but as Zenger mentioned, there was no AD at that time. The whole department was clueless.

It's hard to force your way into a place where you are welcome, which he absolutely was at the Allen's house. You can tell by how Dr. Allen and his wife treat Josh. They say "Anything you need."

There is no doubt that Allen's wife was instrumental. They all were.

It isn't all he did. He kept at it after Booth gave up. Booth wasn't going to make it happen at that point. He brought everyone together. None of it would have happened without him. No one else was taking the lead. No, he didn't buy the rules himself. No, he didn't ultimately convert Booth. But he did convince Allen. He helped get Self, Roy, and Brown's feelings on the subject known to Booth.

I just don't understand your disdain for Josh. It's abundantly clear that KU doesn't get the rules if he doesn't do what he did. And no, it's not the best thing ever, but it wasn't ever intended to be a documentary. Swade was just using the filming as an excuse to fly all over the country to get this done. It was only afterward that all the footage was edited into a documentary.

I mentioned it above in one of my rants/posts about the subject. He's one of those 1-percenter fans that typically annoys everyone around them. He's a homer to the "nth" degree. Every fanbase has them and they just annoy me. And still, having watched it again last night to see if I feel any differently, my opinion remains the same. Sure you can argue that he got the ball rolling, but to me, that's where it ends.

Anyways, no reason to argue over it further. I have my points. You have yours. The bottom line is that it was a great 1 hour advertisement for the University of Kansas, so we can all be happy about that. And having those rules in AFH was a must, which that group of individuals made happen.

Crazy to think the season is close to starting.

Thank God.

It's really the only thing that counter acts all of the FAIL that is Kansas City sports for most of the calendar year.

Yeah. Can you imagine the suicide rate in NE Kansas if all three teams were terrible?

I know I would no longer be living.

Don't get your hopes up too much, but Wiggins has reportedly indicated that if he reclassifies to the 2013 class, UK is NOT the school he will attend and that he is interested in hearing from UNC and KU. Dooley going to meet him this Thursday.

For those who don't follow the recruiting game, Wiggins is the number one recruit regardless of class and the most coveted since LeBron and KG.

Coach Cal must not want him then.

He wants to be the Biggest fish.

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Some have said maybe the best High Schooler since Lebron.

No chance he comes to KU. Hope Im wrong

It's about time KU got one of those recruits. One of these days in one of the tournaments I want to beat Cal at his own game. "Oh, your team of one-and-dones looks pretty good? Well, my team with the best one-and-done player in YEARS is better"

Not sure where to post this, so I'll choose here.

Obviously I (and a lot of others) had lofty expectations for WVU football, so how do you think WVU will fare in Big 12 Basketball? One could argue that the Big East is one of the best BBall conferences in the country, so I think WVU will do okay. What do you guys think?

I'd expect them to end up about where the preseason rankings put them. They should be a 20 win team; and they may be able to slow some teams down if they play plodding, fouling with 3 minutes left Big East ball. I don't expect them to be plus .500 against KU, Baylor, and Okie State.


But Huggins can recruit, and they have a pretty good tradition so I expect them to be a solid addition to the league.

Josh must have ****ed rock chalk's momma
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LOL. The SOB hit on her!

Do you guys still have that IranianArmenianCzechoslovakian ball player?

Watching him play makes me laugh.

I'm starting a fund to purchase the original napkin the students and professor on the train wrote "rah rah jayhawk" that led to the rock chalk chant.

anyone else got $5 on it?

Thanks...I expect them to hold their own, but have learned from football to temper my expectations. I had forgotten you guys know all about Huggins from his time at K-State.

Yep Deniz Kilicli is a Senior this year. He's from Turkey.

Also Volodymyr Gerun and Aaric Murray are eligable this season. WVU will have good size this season.

Huggins is a good coach and a good recruiter. I expect they will do well in the Big 12. Not sure how much you guys lost but I guess I just assumed you would finish in the top half of the league.

The more I think about this team, the more I like them. EJ, Releford, Withey...lock down defenders. If McLemore can score, look out.

Can't wait for the season to start. Another great year...again.

Tuesday needs to get here STAT!

Amen

KU and Georgtown signed a four year home and home series. That should be fun.

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Five From the Fieldhouse, Oct 26

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-The college basketball season is just days away. The Jayhawks’ exhibition season starts on Tuesday, and with that in mind, here are my top 5 storylines to watch for this upcoming Kansas basketball season.

1) Who, if anyone, replaces Mizzou? It’s no secret that Kansas has dominated the Big 12 during the Bill Self era, as evidenced by their 8-year streak of conference championships. But for most of those 8 seasons, there’s been a team that has stepped up and pushed Kansas all the way to the finish line, and in some cases even tied the Jayhawks for the League Crown. What made last season so special was the fact that Missouri stepped up as that team in the last year of the rivalry. Nobody will soon forget the two epic showdowns between Kansas and Missouri last year. And in year’s past, there have been some titanic tilts between Kansas and Texas with the league on the line. This year, the Jayhawks were the unanimous pick to win the Big 12. The only coach who didn’t vote for KU was Bill Self, because he couldn’t. So it’s possible that there is simply not another team that will push KU for the title this year. But, if a team does emerge, who will it be? My bet is Baylor, with the talent that Scott Drew has been able to consistently assemble. It seems like a nice little rivalry is brewing between the Jayhawks and Bears.

2) Does Elijah make the Tyshawn Taylor jump? You might recall that Kansas was actually not the favorite to win the Big 12 going into last season, despite having won 7 straight titles. It’s easy to forget that now, especially after KU’s run all the way to the National Championship game a year ago. One of the biggest reasons that the Jayhawks so greatly exceeded expectations was the quantum leap that Tyshawn Taylor made in his final year at Kansas. Going into his senior season, the enigmatic Taylor was considered to be an inconsistent, if not altogether unreliable, player. But Taylor grabbed hold of the leadership role in his senior season, and never let go. He went from scoring 9 points a game his Junior year to almost 17 a game as a senior, and was named to several All American teams (as a third teamer or honorable mention.) Now the point guard responsibilities fall to another Senior, Elijah Johnson. As a Junior, Johnson battled some inconsistencies of his own, before closing out the season on a high note with some great play in the NCAA tournament. He averaged 10 points per game on the year, but he suffered long stretches where he couldn’t find the mark from three point range, yet he seemed to settle for outside jumpers rather than trying to take the ball to the basket. Bill Self says that Johnson has the ability to get his shoulders past defenders, so he should have no problem taking the ball to the basket. If Johnson takes that step this season, it could be another special one for the Jayhawks.

3) Can Withey become a scorer? We already know that Jeff Withey will likely be the best defensive presence in the Big 12 this season. The 7-footer blocked 140 shots a year ago, and there’s no reason to suspect he won’t pick up right where he left off last year. While Withey did mix in some offense last year (9 points per game,) most of his scoring came because opposing defenses were completely focused on Thomas Robinson. Even if Perry Ellis emerges as a big low-post scoring threat, it’s hard to imagine that anyone will command the respect that Robinson did last year. That means Withey will have to earn more of his points this year.

4) Who wants the ball? Self has gone on record this preseason that he’s got some freshman who have that God-given ability to score the basketball, but some of them seem more comfortable deferring to their older teammates. You get the sense that Self is talking most specifically about Ben McLemore and Perry Ellis. Fran Fraschilla told us at Big 12 Media Day that he saw more upside potential out of McLemore than he did from Brandon Rush and Xavier Henry. That’s some pretty high praise. I’ve talked to some coaches who watched a lot of Ellis in high school, and they describe a guy who is a sure bucket anytime he touches the ball inside of 9 feet. Watching Ellis at “Late Night,” I could see what they were talking about. Ellis seems to have a particularly advanced variety of post moves for such a young player, and an impressive amount of patience. But Self says that he practically has to beg these kids to shoot the ball in practice. If Kansas is going to successfully replace the scoring of Robinson and Taylor, they’ll need some of these freshmen to emerge.

5) How do the Jayhawks Navigate the Non-Con? Much like last year, Kansas has to get ready for a big matchup right out of the shoot, as their 2^nd game of the season is against Michigan State in the Champions Classic in Atlanta. Less than a week later, they’ll face a couple of tough challenges in the CBE Classic at Sprint Center. And don’t forget a visit to Ohio State right before Christmas. Unlike last year’s team, this year’s squad will count on a lot of newcomers to play big roles this year. New players in the Bill Self system tend not to blossom before conference play comes around. We know that Self places a much bigger emphasis on getting ready for League play than he does on nonconference, but those November and December games can have an impact on tournament seeding down the road. It will be interesting to see if the Jayhawks’ Seniors can carry the mail in the season’s first two months while the newcomers find their identities.

Jamari Traylor looks like T-Rob

Tuesday can't get here fast enough. KU is the opposite of the Chiefs.

Im really excited about Traylor based on what I have seen. Of course it's a limited about but I think that's a fair comparison. Many ppl say hes undersized but that is absolutely untrue. Guy is a spring, long, and athletic. Wingspan is the only thing that matters and id guess he has an above avg Wingspan for a 6'8" guy. .. Not undersized for ncaa standard at all

I'm real excited to see all the new guys this week.

got my tix for tuesday PBJ

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So starters will be: EJ, BMc, Rele, Traylor, and Withey?

It's Game Day!

Goodbye depression!!!!

I'll be there tonight as well.

Thank goodness! After the National Title Game I wanted to go to sleep and wake up today. Can't say I've been asleep that whole time, but damnit it's good to "wake up!"

will their be a online stream for this game tonite ?

Tonight will make great TV for me.

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