I'm late but on board with cleaning house
 

i've been hesitant because if you clean house you almost always have to wait again for another 2/3 years.

Romeo is just terrible, Daboll sucks too

If we have to change Head coaches again then Pioli has to go too.

it's a shame, but necessary

I still think Pioli is a quality player personal guy

Have no idea if anyone worth a shit is out there.

How good would we be if we had gotten Jim Harbaugh?

carry on with all your crazy conspiracy shit


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Harbaugh would never have chosen to work with an assclown like Pioli.

Never in a million ****ing years. Keep in mind, Zorn wanted out, too.

Yep, burn it to the ground.

Jettison all the New England castoffs on this team - management and players - and start again.

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Im glad you realize that nuking it from orbit is the only way to be sure

Neither did Kyle Orton or Peyton Manning, either.

In fact, I can't imagine ONE impact free agent wanting to come play for this knob.

Wait 2-3 yrs for what? To be competitive?

Look at Indy.

LMAO

personal

LOL I just noticed that.

I'm assuming he meant personnel.

This video needs to be stickied until Pioli's Regime of Doom is ran out of the city....

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Ryan Grigson's done an incredible job for Indy. They've made a few trades, had a great draft and are slowly but surely putting it all together. Arians will definitely get a head coaching gig somewhere next year.

Grigson is the type of GM that the Chiefs need: Former D-I and NFL player, regional scout, pro personnel guy that worked his way up in an organization.

I don't expect the Chiefs to land the QB equivalent of Andrew Luck but they won't need another Luck IF they make the right moves this offseason.

How can you say he's still a quality personnel guy? This roster sucks. He didn't pay Carr, he signed a garbage corner in Routt, Hudson looked like shit, Baldwin is invisible, Poe and Jackson are awful first round picks, there's no depth on the O-line or in the secondary.

When he doesn't have Belichick to hold his hand, he's one of the worst talent evaluators in the NFL.

There is absolutely no proof that exists that supports this statement.

From poor drafting to awful free agent acquisitions, Pioli has bungled the Chiefs personnel moreso than any person in the history of the franchise.

****in' A

I said this last night, but I really believe that Cowher will be the next HC. He'll have full control of football decisions and he'll bring someone to help run the football side.

One name I did hear yesterday was Polian with Cowher. Cowher and him apparently are close.

Not a fan of Polian though.

Pioli is possibly one of the worst GM's in NFL history.

Welcome aboard Laz. You deserve better. Now find me some nekkid pics of Hayden Pannitiere.

Hali is good...oh wait. Well, Flowers is good...oh wait. Jamaal Charles is good...oh wait...

Uhm...McCluster scored a garbage time TD last week!

This x infinity

I don't care for Polian whatsoever.

With all of the coaching vacancies in 2013 (San Diego, Carolina, Cleveland, etc.), I'd be shocked that Cowher, if he decides to return, would choose Kansas City.

That seems like a very long shot to me.

Welcome aboard the Crazy train.

I'm shocked at how bad he's been.

I figured if he failed, it would be the way Carl failed -- field competitive teams that couldn't get over the hump. You think that even if Belichick and Brady were the keys to SB titles, Pioli in his time at NE at least would've figured out how to field a decent team. Hell, Dimitroff did.

But Pioli has been exposed as one of the biggest frauds in recent NFL history.

I can't even comprehend this level of fail.

Even Houston Astro fans are astounded by this level of failure.

Pioli is the absolute worst.

Think about the fact he's lost 29 of his last 41 games at Arrowhead. The Raiders have won 2 games at Arrowhead in the last 10 months. The Chiefs have won zero.

It's his 2nd 1-6 start in 4 years.

What conspiracy?

Pioli and his band of goons flat out suck.

It's painfully obvious, no conspiracy needed.

It's unfortunate, but when you back off and look at this situation coolly and objectively (which is what I hope Clark is doing) then base your analysis on the totality of Pioli's performance in Kansas city, you are forced to arrive at the conclusion that he is functionally incompetent.

I've know a few people who have risen to the very top in their respective fields who were functionally incompetent - two in the music industry and one in financial planning. It happens. It starts by being in the right place at the right time. It's a combination of pure, blind luck and associating with people who are highly effective. Then, you capitalize on the organization's accomplishments by positioning yourself as a principal factor in that success. Soon, your name becomes synonymous with achievements that were, in actual fact, the work of others.

The fascinating part is that each of the men I've known who found themselves in that situation did not know the difference. They actually believed that they were responsible (in large measure, at least) for their success. How they convince themselves of it, I do not know.

Pioli is simply the product of a system. He was part gofer and part media figurehead. And the public persona and reputation he cultivated over the years did not reflect his true abilities.

Worst of all, he honestly believed that he could do the job here ... and probably still does. And that, my friends, is dangerous. He will say the things he's learned to say in public, and they'll sound reasonable. Meanwhile, privately he doesn't understand why things aren't working. He's probably imagining that time alone will correct the problems. But he will lack the capacity to see himself as the issue and, in his mind, any fault or failure will have an external cause. It's why we've spun our wheels as we've continually dug the hole deeper and deeper and it's why Clark must fire him as quickly as possible. There is a form of madness in Pioli for which the only cure is failure.

FAX

Well praise Jesus, everyone.

We can finally get started with this thing, Laz is on board.

Halle-****ing-lujah.

P.S. Laz is still a goddamn moron.

what makes everything so clear is to just look at other 'rebuilding' teams and the difference a single good decision can make...

Harbaugh v haley/crennel

basically any QB drafted in the first round v Cassel

too many draft picks to list

pioli doesn't deserve the right to make any more important decisions for this franchise...he has disqualified himself

**** YOU

I think he's referring to the 'head injuries'.

I say we grease this rat **** son of a bitch right now.

WHEW! WE CAN ALL BREATHE A HUGE ****ING SIGH OF RELIEF NOW!@!@

Where'd you hear this at? I don't like Polian either but atleast he gets fired after being successful first.

yuppppp .....

Carl Peterson>Scott Pioli
and the sad part is, its not even close

Look, we all wanted Pioli at the time he was hired. At least the majority of us did, and I know I was one of the fans that did. Here we are 4 years later, and it is painfully evident that his system simply isn't working. His egotistical ways have run good people off, his reputation has kept free agents away, and his drafting has been very mediocre. Romeo Crennel is a decent defensive coordinator, but he's over his head as a head coach. He got a great effort from his team last year in two of the last three games against two crappy teams and one that dropped about a dozen balls (Packers). Daboll, I'm not sure about to be honest. He has no QB, the O line is a mess with the center out and a rook playing guard, and his receiving corps is very pedestrian. It's time to blow it up. It's time for a completely different style of management, coaching, and playing. It's like the players want to play but they just arent being coached or motivated to do so. Time to start over Clark. Your father did it in 1988, and the fans got on board. Time to do the same. Fire Pioli, bring in an inspiring head coach, let them build their staff, draft a QB in the first round, and the fans will follow. Anything short of that, and it's 1985 all over again as far as fan devotion goes.

I wanted him until he committed the ultimate betrayal by bringing bag o' dicks on board...

Tooge.

Nobody cares.

The key takeaway from this thread is that Laz agrees with you. Nothing else matters, good sir. We respect your take and I'm sure you lovingly crafted that wall o' text, but it's immaterial.

Laz loves you, and that's all there is.

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Laz, where are my props?

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Laz would bang her.

Would you blame him?

So would I.

Given his history, I imagine he's talking about "Arrowhead Anxiety".

Laz has said from the beginning that none of that matters and it's just there as something for some of us to bitch about.

Well Laz is in, we can finally move forward.

Of course not.

But the key is that he's finally on board. If not, I don't think I could talk myself into throwing that girl a bone. Repeatedly.

LMAO

Somebody text Clark! LMAO

this is true. It's not just one more person, its LAZ

Who wouldn't?

Omaha. She's too fat.

Well, now that you're on board, I guess we can get started then.

ROFL

When 20 people witness a murder, it's a murder, not a conspiracy.

Routt solidifies Pioli's complete lack of competence in evaluating talent. Cassel himself provides more than enough proof, since "no one knew him better" than Pioli. Furthermore, Pioli went solo for the '09 draft and completely shit himself.

Thus, while the early moves were often disregarded and excused, Routt brings everything full circle.

Pioli is one embarrassing, fraudulent mother****er.

Breaking 70 year old records for suck will break even the strongest fans

This year has been funny. For example, 810 is now banging the loudest drum about the overall importance of the QB position. "Teams cannot win without it!"

And CP has been saying this, literally, for years. Oh well, and least public pressure is going to force correct decisions.

And I agree with TBG; it's going to be Cowher, and Pioli might even remain a figurehead GM/contract guy, while Chin has full say about personnel. And watch Pioli suddenly "improve" because he'll be stripped of all true decision-making ability, whether it's publicly announced or not.

-Arrowhead Anxiety was not a conspiracy. It was an incredibly comprehensive, fair piece
-The comments about Scott Pioli being a dick... they're backed by Whitlock claiming he was completely disrespectful. -They're backed by the idea that
-The comments about Scott Pioli being obsessive about his reputation... talk to any person who's written about the Chiefs. Pioli literally reaches out to let you know he approves/disapproves
-Pioli is the guy driving the silence machine. Babb and Whitlock turned on him. And it's all an invention in Scott's mind. Donovan and Hunt both gave opinions in Arrowhead Anxiety. Guess who did NOT. Clark Hunt defended the fans. Guess who did not.
-Blaming the QB decision on Pioli isn't conspiracy. He's the boss. He has final say in personnel. Layer in reports from credible sources that Haley wanted Hasselbeck and Dick Haley didn't like Cassel. Layer in speculation that Weis didn't like Cassel either.
-The lack of depth is on Pioli. 100% on Pioli.
-Blaming the poor coach choices is on Pioli.
-Pretty clear and obvious implication that the poor coaching choices are a product of Pioli's stubborn insistence to build one scheme and one scheme only. He has hired 2 head coaches, 5 coordinators. Only one of them (Pendergast) didn't have connection to erhardt-perkins or 2-gap 3-4. And Pendergast was forced to run a defense outside of his expertise and was quickly forced out
-Did Pioli wiretap? I don't know. What I know is there are lots of stories about there of micromanagement. And this super-secretive organization somehow managed to "leak" several stories about Haley going to Lil Wayne concerts and eating pizza with his family. There's something fishy there

These are not conspiracies. How can you act like these stories don't tell a pretty glaringly obvious story that Pioli has run this team extraordinarily dysfunctionally.

This team is going to have to be blown up if we expect to ever get back on the right track. It might take an Indianapolis Colt like blow up to rectify this team. Get rid of quality yet aging players who still have great trade value and bring in young impact players.

This team isn't that far away. They need quality coaching and a franchise QB. But our GM doesn't deserve the chance to do that, nor is he ever going to get a quality coach without a huge stroke of luck.

Pioli isn't going to get the next coach; Clark is.

Clark will hire and empower him, and Pioli is going to be turned into a glorified "yes" man, which is the job he excelled at in NE.

The oldest players on the team are 30. There aren't that many players that would fit the "quality but aging" profile. Most of the 30 year olds blow (Cassel, Lilja, Elam).

According to what I've heard, there's no way in hell Cowher will come anywhere near here with Pioli. They tried to hire Cowher in 2009 and he wouldn't work with Pioli then.

Interesting. I do think he would take the job (sans Pioli, of course, then) because I believe that Clark could sell him on "returning to his roots" etc.

Did you hear about Polian/Cowher from your source?

Why would Bill Cowher choose Kansas City over San Diego (perhaps the most beautiful city in America with an amazing climate) or Carolina (where he and his family reside) or even Cleveland, who has a potential franchise QB, WR and RB in place?

I'm not doubting The Bad Guy's source, I just can't see Cowher choosing Kansas City, especially when Jimmy Haslem was a minority owner of the Steelers.

Because he has KC ties and, perhaps most importantly, he'll be able to hand-pick his franchise QB, and Cowher, more than anyone, understands the importance of the QB.

Sometimes home isn't always the best place for one to be in professional sports because of the distractions.

Cowher has ties to Cleveland and Carolina as well and he was only in KC for the 1989-1991 seasons. That was a long, long time ago.

I just can't imagine Cowher in KC. I guess we'll all know soon enough.

I think Kansas City is a quicker fix.

He should, His track record of QB's is ****ing pathetic.... Shit his QB's outside of rape boy were atrocious and Cassel like...

I really hope he stays in the studio or goes somewhere else.

based on what?

Compare the rosters.

And I think Cleveland is a quicker fix.

Weedon, Richardson and Gordon over ?, Charles and ?

I think the main issues concerning this team are coaching and poor front office decisions in regards to personnel grouping. The fact that Matt Cassel has been given free reign as QB without so much as any competition for the past four years is absolutely inexcusable!

Chiefs play in an easier division and I also don't think Weeden is that good. He's also almost 30.

Cleveland is not a desirable spot, IMO. Weeden is too old to gamble on for a guy like Cowher. Similarly, Cam is showing all sorts of red flags.

SD is obviously a better landing spot in terms of climate, city, etc., but the fan base is a joke, the team may or may not move, and Rivers has regressed severely.

KC is not bereft of talent, but the front office incompetence is turning everything else into a cluster****; far worse than it would be otherwise.

New GM, HC, and QB will solve a lot of problems just because of a true "change in culture." The team simply must get rid of the Mickey Moose bullshit.

I'm hungry for some banana bread.

He's the perfect HC then because this town has only had 2 decent QB's in 30 years and Cowher's been able to win playoff games without one...