2013 QB Class
 

This was posted in another thread by Milkman, but it got overlooked so I'm making a thread out of it.

I know, another QB thread. But this needs to be put out there for some of the "posters" here to see and think about.

The top three in this years class are in no particular order:

Geno Smith
Tyler Wilson
Matt Barkley

Thats not counting Bray, Glennon, Nassib, etc. Who are all talented in their own right.

So, many posters here want to say, "no not this year, this class is awful don't take one, there isn't a Luck or RGIII in the bunch", which isn't necessarily false.

No there isn't a once in a decade guy. Which is probably what Luck was. Hell even more there have been 2 guys of his stature come out in the last 20 or so years. Luck and Manning.

Yet there are franchise QB's all over the league. How is that so you may ask?

Lets take a look at the last 5 QB classes top 3 guys to come out and get drafted, taking out 2012's class.

2007
Jamarcus Russel
Brady Quinn
Kevin Kolb

2008
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
Brian Brohm

2009
Matt Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman

2010
Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
Jimmy Clausen

2011
Cam Newton
Blaine Gabbert
Jake Locker

Look at those classes and no, you have to evaluate them at the time they were picked, not what they are now, we don't know what this years class will be in the NFL.

I'd argue that this years class is more loaded than any of those classes at the top and from top to bottom.

So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB.

There is no debate here. Geno or death!

chiefs suck

Geno or die

Too risky. TEO!!!!

Is there an OT in this draft named Geno?

Hog semen > 2013 QB class

We will have a top 3 pick this year. Probably, hopefully, the 1st overall pick. When you are that bad, it's not at the point where an ILB or a CB can turn you around.


IF i'm picking in the top 3, the absolute ONLY positions I'm taking are LT, QB, or pass rusher. They are about the only guys who impact the game enough to be taken that high. If there isn't one that rates that high, i'm probably reaching and taking one anyway.

Only if it is aged properly in oak!

Star players make me scared. Draft a fatty.

Sincerely,

Carl Peterson

I don't think there are many people saying don't take one. People are talking about how good they actually are, draft value, can you move back and still get one, how far is the drop off from a Barkley to a Nassib/Dysert/Jones, etc.

Just because someone isn't sold that Geno Smith has the pocket presence of Luck and just as good of an arm and accuracy as RGIII (claims made by some on this board) doesn't mean people don't want to take a QB.

ANDREW LUCK IS TEH GRATEST QB TO DO ANY QB THINGS EVAR NOW AND FOREVAR MOAR AMEN!!!

ahmen

WE WANT GENO!!!!!!!!!!!

**** draft value. draft geno smif with our first pick. take a project qb in the 3rd round.

too risky

better to take a LB and draft whatever QB is leftover...that is safe, and safe is priority #1

And thats fine.


But, last year was an absolute anomaly in terms of QBs at the top.

Yep. Cap hell, losing draft value, and setting the franchise back are terrible things. TERRRRRIBLE things.

Do you want to be the Raiders? No? Then draft a 5-tech and be damn grateful we're even considering a Ricky Stanzi in the 2nd round.

Lets see how many teams are willing to give up 3+ first round picks for Smith.

Are you Shawn Salisbury?

I heard this exact same take on 810 about a week ago. :)

Having said that, I 100% fully agree.

Does somebody want to take the bait on this?

Andrew Luck is the best overall QB to enter the draft in a long, long time.

Is he the best QB to enter the draft to be the best at every aspect of playing the position in a long, long, time? In other words, is it possible that there's a QB who is better than him at a particular part of the position other than athletic ability?

That's what I can't get over. Luck is great because he has no glaring flaws. He's not great because he's the greatest at EVERYTHING. He's not.

Stick to the topic at hand, please.

For anybody of the mindset of "Well just grab the best QB with that 1st pick in round 2"

I think the recent history suggest what a big difference there is between the 1st QB projected vs the 3rd best guy which is what you'll get if you wait until round 2.

i'm trying to figure out why we can't draft a QB because Luck was drafted last year...or how it has any bearing at all on anything for any other team in the nfl ever...

oh wait....'value'....aka 'it risky, oh noes'

Jason Campbell 2.0 really worth the number 1 Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ILB make me wet??

Draft Value, with the new CBA, is basically out the window.


You essentially are paying a top 5 pick now, what you payed what a late first early second rounder previously?

Didn't you hear?

Andrew Luck is the end-all of QBs.

They're going to get rid of the position since Luck is the only one good enough to play it.

Heh, I'm gonna laugh when Denver spends a 1st on Collin Klein

it's just a higher brow version of "QB X isn't good enough for the Chiefs"

every year...the QBs aren't good enough

every year, we should have drafted a QB last year

it's risky, ya know

Wait till next year, there's a better class coming out.

Careful. Baby Lee will come in and wizard you to death with this bullshit sophistry

His arm strength wouldn't really be classified as "elite". It's above average.....but not tops in the NFL.

~KCC Since 1984

Say you take teo and he becomes the best player at his position in the league. Where does that put the Chiefs, best case scenario?


The best WR in the league was once on a team that didn't win a single game. The best or one of the best LT's in the league is on a team that's been having top 10 picks since he's been in the league.

Look at the best most consistent teams in the league and tell me what they have in common.

Benjamin Allbright ‏@NFLDraftMonster

Kiper and Brooks now both calling Glennon a top 1-2 QB...just don't see it off the tape. He's got tools, but so inconsistent.

We have to take a QB in round 1 -- not just because we don't have a legit QB, but to sell 2013 season tickets. Whoever we take with the 1st or 2nd or whatever pick will be the face of the franchise for the season ticket sales ad blitz.

I'm waiting to see how Mayock breaks the QB class down.

I wish we could "bank" this pick for a year, pickup the last pick of the first round, then have the #1 overall for the following draft, plus whatever draft pick we have after the 2013 season.

Bucky Brooks lol

:spock:

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All we have to do is go through another year like this one and we can draft Johnny Manziel!

Yep.

Clark isn't dumb.

A 1st-round QB would instantly energize the ticket buying base.

ROFL

I don't think this QB class is all that bad either.

I'll take a 6'3" QB that completed 70% of his passes for 4000 yards and threw 40 TDs and 6 INTs. I don't really understand what's to debate. Geno blows away J. Russell when you look at the stats. I think the difference is that Russell came out of LSU and Geno plays for WV. Geno is basically all his team has, while JR played on a team loaded with talent on both sides of the ball.

I'll be thrilled when the Chiefs draft Geno Smith. The Chiefs also need to do everything they can to resign Albert and Bowe. If that happens Smith would be landing in an awesome situation from the get-go. I doubt there has been any other #1 draft pick that would have landed in such a good situation.

Teo #1 and Bray in the second round.

This is one reason I think the KC job might actually be pretty enticing to bigger names.


You have the first overall pick, likely. So you can get your QB

LT is in place, potentially two top notch pass rushers are in place, and a franchise WR can still be in place.

You have your building blocks. Which makes it all the more frustrating to what Pioli has done.

He's put an absolutely awful coaching staff in place to develop the guys he's actually drafted/brought in.

IF you come in my thread and say you want a TED backer at #1 overall, you can go Belcher yourself.

Kiper losing his mind. Pimping mike Glennon and Logan Thomas as top QBs in the draft

If Petrino stays out of trouble and WVU's defense is even respectable this year, Geno and Wilson are being pimped pretty hard right now.


Hell if WVU's d held against TCU and OU, Geno is the consensus #1.

Kiper is a buffoon

If you read the scouting message boards, lots of people like Glennon a lot. He's got everything you want really except consistency.

Logan Thomas? ROFL People see his physical stature and confuse him with Cam Newton. He doesn't have NEAR the arm.

I'll be honest. I haven't seen enough of Glennon to form a legit opinion. Seems like only 1 dude here like him.

somewhere an uncle is masturbating into black bob's mouth

So we can select.... whom?

If you think this QB is terrible, then 2014's will be the worst piece of shit you've ever seen.

ROFL

Truly stated, Mr. o.city ... with one minor correction ... Pioli hasn't actually drafted/brought in those building blocks you mentioned (LT, 2 top-notch pass rushers, franchise WR). With the exception of Houston and the janitor, he hasn't drafted/brought in a franchise anything.

FAX

And that dude was BlackBob

Somewhat true.


Some of the draft picks/ FA pickups he's made I've liked, but they haven't done much of anything.

Which is a reason I'd argue that this coaching staff isn't doing anything for anyone.

Yup. Bridgewater is pretty much it and he might not even come out next year. I expect Bray to declare this year.

Might be the first time in a while that a QB doesn't go #1. Clowney might have that on lock, but there's a lot of time.

here is a Chiefs fan on reddit and his take on what we should do about QB. I swear Chiefs fans are ****ing stupid!

I want Vince Young. The dude is a competitor, he can win games, and I'm assuming he has been humbled by the fact he's been sitting out a year. Hopefully this means he can be picked up for cheap. Sign him to a one year deal and tell him to put up or shut up. This allows us to use our first picks to solidify other positions. We could then maybe pick up a late round QB and let him develop for a year.

Other options include Flynn, Colt McCoy, David Garrard, and Brett Favre of course.

I thought it was that RunKC dude.

You're not helping the situation

:banghead::banghead:%(/:facepalm::facepalm:

Oh, I'm helping it :D

ROFL ROFL ROFL

:facepalm:

The stats don't lie.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-J...winningQBs.jpg

Most Chief fans are scared of the unknown.

They know that with a retread there is a chance that we could get back to 9-7 and possible playoffs.

They don't know that if you draft and develop your own guy, you can be what the Packers, Steelers, Pats, Broncos, Colts, etc are.

They are just scared.

But that shits gonna end real quick. Because when we trot out our new shiny first round QB next year, if they start questioning whoever it is too quick, CP will start flying banners to shut the dumbass true fans up.

This

Oh how I would love a red and gold G. Smith jersey in this picture.

BUT BUT BUT it's too risky! OH NOES, Geno = Jemarcus


/chiefs fans everywhere else but here.

That chart is gold.

Adam Teicher says there are no good options for the Chiefs at QB. This is a "horrible, horrible year" to need a QB.

Petro asked him what the Chiefs should do at QB and he actually said "hope the Broncos cut Peyton Manning".

Now they're talking about trading down.

Adam Teicher gets paid to report football (often 48 hours too late). He doesn't get paid to know about football, because he doesn't.

Has dude ever watched a football game? LMAO

I'd do that if it meant we moved to #2 and the Jags wanted Jarvis Jones.

Reading SaveOurChiefs facebook page makes me want to go on a jihad. People are so ****ing stupid.