Reid Draft Record is Nothing to Get Excited About
 

I recognize the Eagles have picked in the bottom third almost all the time, but if you look at this draft history there are really not very many standout names and few pro bowl players.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../phi/draft.htm

The first rounders are especially troubling. While several have been productive NFL players only one would really qualify as a stud. He loves to draft DT 4 in 12 years add in a couple of DE and 50% of the time the defensive front gets the first round pick.

2012 Fletcher Cox DT (TBD)
2011 Danny Watkins OL (TBD)
2010 Brandon Graham DE (TBD)
2009 Jeremy Maclin WR (???Maybe/Maybe not)
2008 no pick
2007 no pick
2006 Brodrick Bunkley DT (Hit)
2005 Mike Patterson DT (Hit)
2004 Shawn Andrews G (Hit)
2003 Jerome McDougle DE (Bust)
2002 Litto Sheppard DB (Hit)
2001 Freddie Mitchell WR (Bust)
2000 Cory Simon DT (Hit)
1999 McNabb (by far the cream of the crop)

Now I have to give Reid credit he seems to be able to get some big names in FA. I would say he overpays and many of the big name FA do not perform up to the level they should.

There is more to like than dislike with the Reid hire, but I remain very doubtful he will ever bring a SB championship to the Chiefs.

The fact that he was able to get Maclin and McCoy in that '09 draft impresses me especially considering how poorly most teams did that year.. Especially the Chiefs

If he can win a single playoff game he'll be the best hire in decades.

Chiefs Playoff wins: 8

Andy Reid Playoff wins: 10

Sold.

FYP


Depressed.

14 years, 2 busts.

That's a pretty BIG deal.

14 years and only 1 stud.

McNabb was on the NFL Network earlier stating that we should expect Reid to pick a big ugly at number 1. Expect him to pick up a veteran qb to groom a rook we pick in round 2 or 3.

He has 15 playoff wins since we last won a playoff game.

http://static2.businessinsider.com/i...tled-1-494.jpg

People on here need to go look at alot of other teams drafts.

I did. I looked at the Eagles. Not that impressive.

Talk about myopic...

****ing awesome.:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

That can happen when you never pick in the top 10.

Everyone has this impression that every other team hits on every pick.


Not true. At all.

IMO, if you can hit solidly on 30% of picks, your outstanding.

Yeah the OP is pretty funny...

"Drafts aren't that impressive...hit, hit, hit, hit, bust, hit, hit, hit, hit"

ROFL

According to the OP he hit on 80% of his 1st round picks.

Reid probably should have picked a big ugly instead of McNabb. Thankfully for Reid he ignored the criticisms and took the QB. Paid off for him.

He's not stupid. He'll pick the QB

Funny how when you hit on drafting your QB, drafting becomes alot easier.

Since Montana was under center he has 15 playoff wins and we have zip.

Did you even read...or look at the history. 1 stud from your first round picks in 14 years is not very good. Yes his first round picks have produced some NFL starting caliber players more than not, but they are AVERAGE, AVERAGE at best.

If you look at all the picks it even gets worse.

Which one would he pick, anyway. It's not like Joe Thomas or Ndomukong Suh are anywhere in this draft. The linemen are no more top heavy than the QBs are.

That's not even taking some of his second rounders into account like Jackson and McCoy

The thing you are missing, is that the position they were drafting, isn't a spot where you are gonna get top notch studs for the most part. There will be from time to time, but outside say the top 10 give or take, you're looking for solid players with ability to get better and become something.

LMAO

Does he realize where he was picked?

So the draft is only one round now?

14 years and 1 stud?

That's ****ing lunacy.

How has he done in other rounds? Off the top of my head, DeSean Jackson was 2nd rounder and Westbrook was 3rd rounder?

Ive stated this alot: Not every 1st rounder is going to be a stud or a HoFer. But if you get a solid contributor for several years, its still a good pick.

"By far the cream of the crop."

LMAO. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!/Eagles fans.

Ummm I acknowledged this fact. You should still have better quality than this. Compare it to the Patriots 1st rounders. Patriots >>>>>>> Eagles

If you have a top 5 pick, you're looking for cornerstones.

Once your get out of the top 10 or really top 15 or so, your looking for good solid football players that have lots of upside.

This is reading like a parody now.

We have a winner!!!

I'd give a shit about "Reid's drafts" if he weren't going hard after John Dorsey.

That's why he wants John Dorsey...

This thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bprr6U5mCB0

Completely wrong. First rounders give you cornerstones. Look at the Patriots, Giants, and other teams who have picked at the bottom half of the draft for the past decade. They are all much more impressive than the Eagles.

Who has been a part of one of the better drafting teams out there in Green Bay

Who do you think are the Pats cornerstones? Giants?

So the Giants don't get cornerstone players in:
JPP, Aukumara (sp), Nicks, David Wilson,Kenny Phillips, Aaron Ross, Shockey, Will Allen

Pats got Mankins and Wilfork outside the top 20. Two really good picks. Other than that, it's been meh.

5 NFC titles

And yet even after all those hits and only 1 stud... He still has 9 playoff appearances. Your attempt to discredit our new coach has failed.

The Patriot Way is a ****ing farce. Has that not been established at this point?

There is no bigger advocate of draft value on this forum than me, but it's exponentially foolish to get out of the first round without a high-quality player. Thus, we might want to qualify our claims about first-round musts just a bit.

Patriots:
Mankins, Wilfolk, Ty Warren, Merriweather, Mayo, Seymour.

These look a little better than Andy's group.

And I'm not saying you CAN"T get pillar guys outside of that. The top 5 players drafted are the absolute blue chip top notch guys.

Merriweather isn't with them anymore, Seymour was a top 6 pick, and Warren is a journey man.


Like I said, Mankins and Wilfork were great picks.

Pats Luckiest 6th round draft pick of all time > McNabb

I'd trade all of those players for a QB of McNabb's quality.

It's the ultimate ace card. You can't ****! You licked my balls. You have a small penis! You licked my balls. You're an asshole! You licked my balls.

McNabb is the tongue on the testicles. The QB Whisperer gave the finger to the fanbase, and he was right. He was ****ing right.

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

How many of those Pats picks would you say are studs?

Mankins, Seymour and Wilfolk without question.

Watch..Reid throws in a 7th for Matt Flynn.

And I'd rather have McNabb than any of these players every day of every ****ing week for the rest of time.

If the point of the NFL was to win drafts you might have a point (but not really), but the point of the NFL is to win games. If you win games who gives a **** how your drafts turned out?

You're calling these players cornerstones? Wilson isn't the starting Rb, Ross isn't with the team and wasn't a full time starter. Amukumara, just had his first uninjured season. Why is he a cornerstone, yet the 1st rounders from the last three years for Reid are TBD?

Agree, but you must have players to win. My point is Reid's trend is to go out any buy players on the FA market rather than build from great drafting.

I'm not sure Clark is going to open the checkbook like the Eagles did.

I will take those 3 over Andy's three any day.

This is why John Dorsey's presence in KC will be important.

Only the last two years.

For the 12 years prior to that, the Eagles lived and died with the draft, and constantly replaced guys with new picks as soon as they hit their 30s.

Why?

Yeah, Clark hasn't proven that he's willing to spend money for a winner. He just flushed three years of Pioli + all of the failures that Fat Scott brought on this organization.

Meanwhile, Clark hired only one of the most expensive coaches, who is working to assemble an all-star staff and FO.

Clark is cheap.

fyp

I want to hear an answer for how any three Pats first rounders are > McNabb.

Two busts out of twelve picks and you think that's bad?

What are you talking about. Never said they were better than McNabb. I said I would take the Giants last 3 1st round picks over the Eagles last three.

Not limiting it to the last three. Hell, all of the Pats first-round choices < the importance of McNabb to the Eagles.

Once you started listing picks in '99, you lost.

LOL. I list picks from 99 because that was Andy Reids first draft with the Eagles......you lose.

Someone lock away and throw away the key to this thread

Wow. OK.

Let me phrase this differently: have all of the Pats first round picks, collectively, had a bigger impact on their team than McNabb had on his?

7 of the 10 first round picks you gave a "hit" grade to (excluding the 3 you gave a "TBD" to).

7 of 10 is a pretty good ratio.

The question has nothing to do with my position that Reid's draft history has not been great overall.

Of course he hit with McNabb and it made a huge impact on the Eagles. I get it. He has an opportunity to do it in the coming draft for the Chiefs.

That has nothing to do with all of the remaining picks over 14 drafts which is below average in my opinion.

You only looked at the 1st round. Drafts aren't won in the first round.
Drafts are won when you get the following Pro Bowlers AFTER THE FIRST ROUND
Brian Westbrook (91st pick)
DeSean Jackson (49th pick)
Trent Cole (146th pick)
Derrick Burgess (63rd pick)
LeSean McCoy (53rd pick)
Michael Lewis (58th pick)

That's drafting well. Missing on 1st rounders isn't good but the keys to being a great drafting team are
-Nailing QB picks
-Finding gems in late rounds

Still waiting for why you'd take a back up RB, a CB thats not on the team, and a so-so CB over two DL that together had 11 sacks last year and a starting, albeit, often injured G. If anything it's a push.

I'm gonna go ahead and call it, that you don't know what your talking about.

Again as I stated in my original post. He has managed to draft some starting caliber players with his 1st rounders, but they are far from an impressive group. There are no stud players outside of McNabb in the group. You compare that to most of the other NFL teams and it is below average.

and that's not including guys like Brent Celek (162th pick), Sheldon Brown (59th pick), Raheem Brock (238th pick), and Todd Herremans (126th who started at LG for 100 games for Philly) that didn't make a pro bowl but were still great late round finds

So 8 pro-bowlers with McNabb and no HOF in 14 drafts is great drafting. No McNabb is not a HOF QB. I guess I have a higher standard.

Hugh Janus, change ur name to Hugh's Anus ROFL

Fair enough. Then...by your own admission:

Reid has a single draft pick in 14 years (with 12 picks) that far exceeds anything the Pats have done.

Five others have been "hits."

In two years he didn't have a selection, and in two years he drafted "busts."

I'd say this is an outstanding draft record that few organizations would be able to match, given the overall value of McNabb, the high number of hits, and the low number of busts.

It's not great, but it's not as terrible as you're making it out to be either.

Look at Bill Belichek's draft record and tell me his looks much better.